No big surprise here. The politically Correct destruction of once was a
proud professional organization is evident. Rather than Air Safety, Gay
Pride celebrations and promoting unqualified minorities into management
is the new priority of the "Politically Correct misaligned unsafe FAA"

I trust my IFR skills but I am not so sure any longer of the
organization that "supposedly" protects our nations air safety. I
believe the FAA is a disaster waiting to happen.

We have lost 2 out of 5 Space Shuttles I believe due to PC nonsense in
NASA. You know, the demeaning and ambivalent treatment of the technical
skills in favor of PC doctrine and feel good politics.

The FAA is the same ticking time bomb

Maybe a Mid-Air over Kansas between two "Heavys" with around 700 on
board that drops body parts and flaming wreckage for 50 square miles
will get someones attention and push the FAA back toward it's mission of
Air Safety rather than Gay Pride Celebrations.


NEW YORK — Federal Aviation Administration officials received 52
warnings prior to Sept. 11, 2001, from their own security experts about
potential Al Qaeda attacks, including some that mentioned airline
hijackings or suicide attacks, The New York Times reported.

The Times said in Thursday editions that a previously undisclosed report
by the 9/11 commission that investigated the hijack attacks on the World
Trade Center and the Pentagon detailed warnings given to FAA leaders
from April to Sept. 10, 2001, about the radical Islamic terrorist group
and its leader, Usama bin Laden .

The commission report, written last August, said five security warnings
mentioned Al Qaeda's training for hijackings and two reports concerned
suicide operations not connected to aviation.

The Times said that a classified version and a partially declassified
version of the 120-page report were given to the National Archives
(search) two weeks ago. The Times story cited the declassified version
of the document.

Al Felzenberg, former spokesman for the 9/11 commission, which went out
of business last summer, said the government had not completed review of
the report for declassification purposes until recently. He said the
Justice Department delivered the two versions of the document to the
Archives.

An Archives spokeswoman said the unclassified version of the document
was not yet available Wednesday night.

The Times gave these highlights from the commission report:

Aviation officials were "lulled into a false sense of security" and
"intelligence that indicated a real and growing threat leading up to
9/11 did not stimulate significant increases in security procedures."

It takes the FAA to task for not expanding the use of in-flight air
marshals or tightening airport screening for weapons. It said FAA
officials were more concerned with reducing airline congestion,
lessening delays and easing air carriers' financial problems than
thwarting a terrorist attack.

Information in this report was available to members of the 9/11
commission when they issued their public report last summer. That report
itself contained criticisms of FAA operations.

In article >,
RAMButt > wrote:

> No big surprise here. The politically Correct [ screed
> deleted ]

I have no idea what you're talking about in the part
of your post that you apparently wrote. The shuttles
were lost because of gays in the FAA? Okay. We'll
get right on that.

Mike Beede

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:25:33 -0600, Mike Beede > wrote:

>In article >,
> RAMButt > wrote:
>
>> No big surprise here. The politically Correct [ screed
>> deleted ]
>
>I have no idea what you're talking about in the part
>of your post that you apparently wrote. The shuttles
>were lost because of gays in the FAA? Okay. We'll
>get right on that.
>
> Mike Beede


And here's why Iraq is so screwed up:



Fewer Gays Being Discharged Since 9/11
'Don't Ask' Ousters At Lowest Level Yet

By Evelyn Nieves and Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, February 12, 2005; Page A01

The number of gay and lesbian service members discharged under the
military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy has dropped by almost half
since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and is at its lowest level
since the Defense Department began keeping such figures in 1997.

Significant declines have occurred in every branch of the armed
forces, according to statistics released yesterday by the Pentagon.
The Marine Corps, Air Force and Navy discharged fewer gay men and
lesbians in 2004 than in any year since the Pentagon began tallying
the number of its "homosexual separations" eight years ago. The Army's
discharges represented the lowest number of discharges in five years.

etc, etc., etc...

wrote:

>
> I think he said that it was actually the gays in NASA that were
> responsible for the shuttle disasters.
>
> The gays in the FAA are only responsible for airplane crashes..
>
....and 9/11.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:34:06 -0500, Ron Natalie >
wrote:

wrote:
>
>>
>> I think he said that it was actually the gays in NASA that were
>> responsible for the shuttle disasters.
>>
>> The gays in the FAA are only responsible for airplane crashes..
>>
>...and 9/11.


Well, I'm not sure.

Was the Big Guy ****ed at the gays, or was he ****ed at the U.S. for
its increasing tolerance of this abomination? Let me go check
Falwell's website...

"RAMButt" > wrote in message
RAMButt,
You should read a book titled, "The Secret of Building 26". It has
to do with the reasons we, the Americans, were able to break the
German's codes during WWII. The breaking of this code was
the largest single reason for our winning WWII.

Had the codes not been broken it is very likely that RAMButt and the rest of
us would now be speaking a mixture of German and Japanese. The primary
architect of this effort was a single British
Mathematician who after WWII was awarded the highest possible
Civilian Metal of Honor.

He was treated very shabbly in England and in the U.S. but without him we
most likely would have lost the war. Even today his mathematical theories
are making possible our scientific progress. He was a homosexual.

Shame on you, RAMButt, have you no honor left?
Gene Whitt

Hi Gene. You're right on, of course. This was a mathematician of the very
highest order; his name was Alan Turing.

Had the FAA acted on the less than clear intelligence and raised
pre-board inspections to current levels, the American public would have
been outraged by the invasion to their privacy. It took 9/11 to
persuade EVERBODY that the terrorists were serious.

If you guys are so narrow and blind to not see the destruction of our
Government safety oversight departments you do not belong in the
cockpit. The FAA is out of control with PC hiring practices. It's not
just gays.

What should the FAA be doing celebrating gay pride or worrying about air
safety??

Get a clue and wake up



wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:25:33 -0600, Mike Beede > wrote:
>
>
>>In article >,
>>RAMButt > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>No big surprise here. The politically Correct [ screed
>>>deleted ]
>>
>>I have no idea what you're talking about in the part
>>of your post that you apparently wrote. The shuttles
>>were lost because of gays in the FAA? Okay. We'll
>>get right on that.
>>
>> Mike Beede
>
>
>
> I think he said that it was actually the gays in NASA that were
> responsible for the shuttle disasters.
>
> The gays in the FAA are only responsible for airplane crashes..
>
>

"Jack Mehoff" > wrote in message
...
> What should the FAA be doing celebrating gay pride or worrying about air
> safety??
>
> Get a clue and wake up

Uh, right. Planes have been crashing left and right because FAA controllers
are abandoning their posts to go attend gay pride marches. And those of us
who haven't noticed this widespread problem are asleep and clueless.

Does it ever cross your mind that responsible opinions should be supported
by actual evidence? (Just curious.)

--Gary

You want evidence??

Check the latest staffing figures for the FAA
Controllers are leaving in droves
Radar and ILS Technicians are seriously short staffed
Most major airports have open watches in critical radar and ILS areas.

Evidence?

I worked for the FAA for 18 years. I have personally seen it go down
hill for the last few years until I bailed out.

Atlanta for example had up till recently a Black FAA Manager who could
not spell or write correctly.

The morale around the FAA is in the the toilet especially at large airports

Evidence??

Good luck because FAA Management is suppressing the real facts

I no longer fly IFR around major airport airspace. That's how bad it is.
If you want to keep living in your sugar coated PC world that's OK. The
real deal is Air Safety in America is in extreme trouble. And the FAA is
at the heart of it. Technicians in Atlanta (One of the world's busiest)
routinely operate with open Radar watches BUT the Managers buy Gay Pride
Banners and scramble to hire black females with NO BACKGROUND to fill
quotas.

The deal is real my flying friends. The FAA is in trouble. America
should privatize Air Traffic control and get Air Safety out of the
social engineering business. The FAA was once a great place to work. Now
it SUCKS. I know, I spent 18 years of my life working for them until
they decided a few years ago to forget about Air Safety and worry about
feel good politics. The "Big One" is coming. Just watch and see.

If you knew what I knew you would stay clear of any TCA during IFR
weather. I do.

>>Does it ever cross your mind that responsible opinions should be supported
>>by actual evidence? (Just curious.)
>>
>>--Gary
>>
>
>
>
> Actually, I think he also has a problem with blacks leaving their
> radar screens unattended to celebrate Black History Month.
>
>

"MooneyMan" > wrote in message
...
>
> You want evidence??

Yes, please. (Hint: unsubstantiated anecdotal allegations by anonymous
Usenet posters do not constitute evidence.)

> Check the latest staffing figures for the FAA
> Controllers are leaving in droves
> Radar and ILS Technicians are seriously short staffed
> Most major airports have open watches in critical radar and ILS areas.

Even if the FAA is understaffed, that would not consitute evidence of your
claim that unqualified minority personnel are being hired.

> I no longer fly IFR around major airport airspace. That's how bad it is.
> ...
> Technicians in Atlanta (One of the world's busiest) routinely operate with
> open Radar watches BUT the Managers buy Gay Pride Banners

Uh, and these banners detract from air safety how? Do they cover the radar
screens? Or do they just induce seizures in people like you?

> If you knew what I knew you would stay clear of any TCA during IFR
> weather. I do.

I frequently fly in Boston and NYC in IMC. I always find the controllers to
be skilled and helpful.

--Gary

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:02:50 -0500, MooneyMan
> wrote:

>Evidence??
>
>Good luck because FAA Management is suppressing the real facts


Ah, yes.

The "real facts".

Available to only the privileged few.

The rest of us are left to deal with the "unreal" facts.

Jack Mehoff wrote:
> If you guys are so narrow and blind to not see the destruction of our
> Government safety oversight departments you do not belong in the
> cockpit. The FAA is out of control with PC hiring practices. It's not
> just gays.
>

You're right. Now we have to take all these AFSS guys that are getting
the ax this year. What is the world coming to?

MooneyMan wrote:

> You want evidence??
>
> Check the latest staffing figures for the FAA
> Controllers are leaving in droves

Controllers are not leaving in droves, the pay is too good.


>
> The morale around the FAA is in the the toilet especially at large airports
>
> Evidence??
>
> Good luck because FAA Management is suppressing the real facts

Of course, the conspiricy theory. No really it's true. Trust me.


>
> I no longer fly IFR around major airport airspace. That's how bad it is.

And yet, no crashes.


>
> If you knew what I knew you would stay clear of any TCA during IFR
> weather. I do.

You quit when?

"No crashes" ?????

You sound like an FAA Manager fella. Hey look flying public no crashes
we is doing A-OK!!!

(Until the big one that kills 4 or 5 Hundred souls on board)

Kinda like that dumb woman Jane Garvey who was running the FAA during 9/11

"Nothing like 9/11 has happened before your honor"

No crashes (LOL) what a stupid response.
>
>>
>> I no longer fly IFR around major airport airspace. That's how bad it is.
>
>
> And yet, no crashes.
>
>
>>
>> If you knew what I knew you would stay clear of any TCA during IFR
>> weather. I do.
>
>
> You quit when?
>
>