Hi, All;

Seriously considering first purchase of an aircraft. In no rush. I'm
curious, though.... If you're in the plane-buying mood, when do you get the
hangar/t-hangar/tie-down? Before you sign or as a condition of sale? Do most
folks selling aircraft agree to wait until you can line up a parking spot?

Some areas of the country are quite short on tie-down/hangar space, and I'd
probably jump into a great deal on a plane, then find no place to put it!!!

Thanks;
Carl

Just call the airport and see what is availible. Obviously, if there is
only one spot left on the whole airport, try to reserve it.

Mike
MU-2


"Carl Orton" > wrote in message
...
> Hi, All;
>
> Seriously considering first purchase of an aircraft. In no rush. I'm
> curious, though.... If you're in the plane-buying mood, when do you get
the
> hangar/t-hangar/tie-down? Before you sign or as a condition of sale? Do
most
> folks selling aircraft agree to wait until you can line up a parking spot?
>
> Some areas of the country are quite short on tie-down/hangar space, and
I'd
> probably jump into a great deal on a plane, then find no place to put
it!!!
>
> Thanks;
> Carl
>
>

I put a deposit and reservation ($25) on a hangar a good year before
my name came up on the list. I bought the airplane about 6 months later.

The answer really depends on the waiting list.

OK, then, "what if" you find a hangar, but no idea when you'll find the
plane? Or is this a don't care? Around here (DFW), most covered open spots
are 150-200/mo, and hangars go up from there. I don't mind paying if
something's in there, but I'd hate to go 3 months or more for nothing.

Or do I need an attitude adjustment ;-)


"blanche cohen" > wrote in message
...
> I put a deposit and reservation ($25) on a hangar a good year before
> my name came up on the list. I bought the airplane about 6 months later.
>
> The answer really depends on the waiting list.
>

Just talked today to a hangar owner over at Anoka-Blaine, MN. (ANE)

40 x 40 insulated hangar (a little bigger I think. Maybe 42 x 45) Whatever,
he's asking $70,000 OBO.

Airport rules say you need a tail number first - hangar next. *Word* is
airport management will work with you, and are ok flexible ...to a point. No
more airport storage space or furniture repair shops in hangars though.

--
Montblack

("Carl Orton" wrote)
> Seriously considering first purchase of an aircraft. In no rush. I'm
> curious, though.... If you're in the plane-buying mood, when do you get
the
> hangar/t-hangar/tie-down? Before you sign or as a condition of sale? Do
most
> folks selling aircraft agree to wait until you can line up a parking spot?
>
> Some areas of the country are quite short on tie-down/hangar space, and
I'd
> probably jump into a great deal on a plane, then find no place to put
it!!!

"Carl Orton" > wrote in message >...
> OK, then, "what if" you find a hangar, but no idea when you'll find the
> plane? Or is this a don't care? Around here (DFW), most covered open spots
> are 150-200/mo, and hangars go up from there. I don't mind paying if
> something's in there, but I'd hate to go 3 months or more for nothing.
>
> Or do I need an attitude adjustment ;-)

Just rent the space out until you find your aircraft.......First thing
is to determine what aircraft you are going to buy or will have in the
next few years. Base your hangar search on that.

I'm in the DFW area too, but have to be very selective while we are
looking for a new hangar due to aircraft size. I've got an Aero
Commander that requires a 50' wide door and the other twin needs a 60
footer, with at least a 16' high opening. We've had to pass on several
nice lots over at Hicks because it would require towing the big twin
in and out and having everyone on most of the route close their bifold
doors so we could get by. I won't subject myself or other owners to
that kind of a problem.

I know of some rental space if you want to just rent for a bit while
shopping for a hangar. Drop me a note offline...

Craig C.

Craig,
Which model Aero Commander do you have? The next time you're going to be messing about with the
AeroCommanber, give me a shout. I've never been inside one, but their outside lines are very
appealing to me.

Russell Kent
(I'm in the phone book; in Richardson)

Craig wrote:

> "Carl Orton" > wrote in message >...
> > OK, then, "what if" you find a hangar, but no idea when you'll find the
> > plane? Or is this a don't care? Around here (DFW), most covered open spots
> > are 150-200/mo, and hangars go up from there. I don't mind paying if
> > something's in there, but I'd hate to go 3 months or more for nothing.
> >
> > Or do I need an attitude adjustment ;-)
>
> Just rent the space out until you find your aircraft.......First thing
> is to determine what aircraft you are going to buy or will have in the
> next few years. Base your hangar search on that.
>
> I'm in the DFW area too, but have to be very selective while we are
> looking for a new hangar due to aircraft size. I've got an Aero
> Commander that requires a 50' wide door and the other twin needs a 60
> footer, with at least a 16' high opening. We've had to pass on several
> nice lots over at Hicks because it would require towing the big twin
> in and out and having everyone on most of the route close their bifold
> doors so we could get by. I won't subject myself or other owners to
> that kind of a problem.
>
> I know of some rental space if you want to just rent for a bit while
> shopping for a hangar. Drop me a note offline...
>
> Craig C.
>

"Carl Orton" > wrote in message >...
> Hi, All;
>
> Seriously considering first purchase of an aircraft. In no rush. I'm
> curious, though.... If you're in the plane-buying mood, when do you get the
> hangar/t-hangar/tie-down? Before you sign or as a condition of sale? Do most
> folks selling aircraft agree to wait until you can line up a parking spot?

Many airports will not rent you a hangar unless you have the
N-number of the plane that will reside there. As for a seller waiting
for you to line up a parking spot, I've never heard of that happening.
Most folks I know just buy the airplane, get an outside tiedown, then
start looking for a permanent parking space. At my airport, it's a
good idea to get on the waiting list approximately 10 years before you
buy the airplane.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

(John Galban) writes:

> Many airports will not rent you a hangar unless you have the
> N-number of the plane that will reside there. As for a seller
> waiting for you to line up a parking spot, I've never heard of that
> happening. Most folks I know just buy the airplane, get an outside
> tiedown, then start looking for a permanent parking space. At my
> airport, it's a good idea to get on the waiting list approximately
> 10 years before you buy the airplane.

It's a different story around Ottawa -- new hangar-construction
projects are aggressively soliciting tenants. A plan to build hangars
on the north field at CYOW fell apart from lack of interest, but
people are still trying at other airports. Personally, I cannot
imagine paying a couple of hundred/month or more just to hangar my
Warrior. If it were an expensive, fancy plane, maybe (but I notice
that even the Bonanzas, Barons, and Navajos on my field stay outside).


All the best,


David

After spending money every year on trim tab hinges, water damage and
corrosion, I am glad to finally be inside. The cost of a paint job every
5 years is only a small part of the cost of being tied down outside.

David Megginson wrote:

> (John Galban) writes:
>
> > Many airports will not rent you a hangar unless you have the
> > N-number of the plane that will reside there. As for a seller
> > waiting for you to line up a parking spot, I've never heard of that
> > happening. Most folks I know just buy the airplane, get an outside
> > tiedown, then start looking for a permanent parking space. At my
> > airport, it's a good idea to get on the waiting list approximately
> > 10 years before you buy the airplane.
>
> It's a different story around Ottawa -- new hangar-construction
> projects are aggressively soliciting tenants. A plan to build hangars
> on the north field at CYOW fell apart from lack of interest, but
> people are still trying at other airports. Personally, I cannot
> imagine paying a couple of hundred/month or more just to hangar my
> Warrior. If it were an expensive, fancy plane, maybe (but I notice
> that even the Bonanzas, Barons, and Navajos on my field stay outside).
>
> All the best,
>
> David

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Ray Andraka > writes:

> After spending money every year on trim tab hinges, water damage and
> corrosion, I am glad to finally be inside. The cost of a paint job every
> 5 years is only a small part of the cost of being tied down outside.

Indeed. Preflying the plane inside a hangar is much more pleasant.
Maintenance is easier, the windows last longer, less chances of
thieves stealing your radios, etc.

-jav

Ray Andraka > writes:

> After spending money every year on trim tab hinges, water damage and
> corrosion, I am glad to finally be inside. The cost of a paint job every
> 5 years is only a small part of the cost of being tied down outside.

Covers are important when you're outside. I keep a canvas canopy
cover on year round, and add a cowl cover, wing covers, and stabilator
cover in the winter (in the summer, I use cowl plugs and a tailcone
cover to keep the birds out). I've never left my plane overnight
without at least the canopy cover on.


All the best,


David

I'd go for the outside tie-down, but they're hard to find around the DFW
area. Too much / too frequent hail.

"John Galban" > wrote in message
om...
> "Carl Orton" > wrote in message
>...
> > Hi, All;
> >
> > Seriously considering first purchase of an aircraft. In no rush. I'm
> > curious, though.... If you're in the plane-buying mood, when do you get
the
> > hangar/t-hangar/tie-down? Before you sign or as a condition of sale? Do
most
> > folks selling aircraft agree to wait until you can line up a parking
spot?
>
> Many airports will not rent you a hangar unless you have the
> N-number of the plane that will reside there. As for a seller waiting
> for you to line up a parking spot, I've never heard of that happening.
> Most folks I know just buy the airplane, get an outside tiedown, then
> start looking for a permanent parking space. At my airport, it's a
> good idea to get on the waiting list approximately 10 years before you
> buy the airplane.
>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

"Carl Orton" > writes:

> I'd go for the outside tie-down, but they're hard to find around the
> DFW area. Too much / too frequent hail.

Agreed -- that's something that would make me look for a hangar.


All the best,


David

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:45:50 -0500, "Carl Orton" >
wrote:

>I'd go for the outside tie-down, but they're hard to find around the DFW
>area. Too much / too frequent hail.

Carl, would you consider Decatur too far to commute? Last I heard,
they still had T-hangar space open there. Bridgeport would be an even
more lengthy commute, but they always seem to have hangar space
available there. Gainesville might also be an option. Weatherford had
some "carport" type covered outside parking spaces open that last time
I was there.

I've been based at Addison, TX for about 12 years, and have had every kind
of hangar. What I like is what I have now which is a "patio" hangar. The
roof keeps 99.9% of the rain off, 100% of the hail and 95% of the sun. The
line runs east and west so there is never any hot summer sun on it. It is
so easy to pull out of and push into. And it's half the price of an
enclosed hangar.
"Carl Orton" > wrote in message
...
> I'd go for the outside tie-down, but they're hard to find around the DFW
> area. Too much / too frequent hail.
>
> "John Galban" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Carl Orton" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > Hi, All;
> > >
> > > Seriously considering first purchase of an aircraft. In no rush. I'm
> > > curious, though.... If you're in the plane-buying mood, when do you
get
> the
> > > hangar/t-hangar/tie-down? Before you sign or as a condition of sale?
Do
> most
> > > folks selling aircraft agree to wait until you can line up a parking
> spot?
> >
> > Many airports will not rent you a hangar unless you have the
> > N-number of the plane that will reside there. As for a seller waiting
> > for you to line up a parking spot, I've never heard of that happening.
> > Most folks I know just buy the airplane, get an outside tiedown, then
> > start looking for a permanent parking space. At my airport, it's a
> > good idea to get on the waiting list approximately 10 years before you
> > buy the airplane.
> >
> > John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>
>

Guess I'll just keep looking and make some calls to find out if you need an
N-number first or not. Some of the recommendations are just 'way too far out
there to allow frequent flying.

Thanks for all the suggestions, though; good information!
Carl

"Carl Orton" > wrote in message
...
> I'd go for the outside tie-down, but they're hard to find around the DFW
> area. Too much / too frequent hail.
>
> "John Galban" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Carl Orton" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > Hi, All;
> > >
> > > Seriously considering first purchase of an aircraft. In no rush. I'm
> > > curious, though.... If you're in the plane-buying mood, when do you
get
> the
> > > hangar/t-hangar/tie-down? Before you sign or as a condition of sale?
Do
> most
> > > folks selling aircraft agree to wait until you can line up a parking
> spot?
> >
> > Many airports will not rent you a hangar unless you have the
> > N-number of the plane that will reside there. As for a seller waiting
> > for you to line up a parking spot, I've never heard of that happening.
> > Most folks I know just buy the airplane, get an outside tiedown, then
> > start looking for a permanent parking space. At my airport, it's a
> > good idea to get on the waiting list approximately 10 years before you
> > buy the airplane.
> >
> > John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>
>

> Many airports will not rent you a hangar unless you have the
> N-number of the plane that will reside there.

Here not only must you provide them a N number, but a copy of the FAA
registration with your name on it. This is to prevent someone from
sub-leasing