Hello RAP newsgroup pilots, posters and lurkers,

I posted a message a couple weeks ago about a new product that I put out
called AirPlanLite. I was wondering how many people in RAP have actually
tried it, and if they have any feedback they would like to share.

I know that because I am asking for $5.00 per database update but not
charging for the software, certain individuals who frequent this newsgroup
believe that I am *gasp*, a spammer. I think that those individuals have an
over-inflated sense of self-importance, and don't undersand the egalitarian
nature of the internet or newsgroups. I fully expect a number of flames in
response to this post, so have donned my Nomex undergarments.

The truth is that I am a pilot who has created a piece of software that I
have decided to share in as low a cost way as I can. I have no illusions
about making any significant amount of money from my product. That has not
happened over the past 6 years. I certainly have not made enough money to
compensate all of the time and effort I have invested in writing this
software. I haven't broken even on the booth I had at Oshkosh this year
(first time there). I have had a few years where I have actually had to pay
some taxes on my earnings from AirPlan (side business). Being an engineer,
I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a marketing whiz, but that's OK with
me. I have met too many marketing types who have zero ethics.

The decision to create AirPlanLite in addition to my standard payware
version of AirPlan was to get back to my original intent of putting
something in the hands of pilots to aid their flight planning process in a
very affordable way. This is exactly what I was looking for back in 1997
when I decided to write AirPlan in the first place.

AOPA and the EAA have done pilots a service by putting out their freeware
planners, but the main limitation of both of those options is that they only
work on the internet. If you have a laptop but aren't connected, you can't
use them. AirPlanLite is meant to provide an equivalent level of capability
to what the EAA and AOPA are offering without having to be online.
AirPlanLite is capable of transferring planned routes between the EAA
(Aeroplanner) free planner and itself using the Import/Export functions.
Unfortunately this can't be done with the AOPA planner.

So, back to the original question. Have you tried AirPlanLite? Do you use
it? Do you like it? Am I annoying you with this post?

Sincerely,

Dean Wilkinson
Razor's Edge Software
http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/airplan.htm

If you write it in C, could you compile it for different platforms?
I could run it on my Mac without Virtual Windows.

Dean Wilkinson wrote:
> Hello RAP newsgroup pilots, posters and lurkers,
>
> I posted a message a couple weeks ago about a new product that I put out
> called AirPlanLite. I was wondering how many people in RAP have actually
> tried it, and if they have any feedback they would like to share.
>
> I know that because I am asking for $5.00 per database update but not
> charging for the software, certain individuals who frequent this newsgroup
> believe that I am *gasp*, a spammer. I think that those individuals have an
> over-inflated sense of self-importance, and don't undersand the egalitarian
> nature of the internet or newsgroups. I fully expect a number of flames in
> response to this post, so have donned my Nomex undergarments.
>
> The truth is that I am a pilot who has created a piece of software that I
> have decided to share in as low a cost way as I can. I have no illusions
> about making any significant amount of money from my product. That has not
> happened over the past 6 years. I certainly have not made enough money to
> compensate all of the time and effort I have invested in writing this
> software. I haven't broken even on the booth I had at Oshkosh this year
> (first time there). I have had a few years where I have actually had to pay
> some taxes on my earnings from AirPlan (side business). Being an engineer,
> I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a marketing whiz, but that's OK with
> me. I have met too many marketing types who have zero ethics.
>
> The decision to create AirPlanLite in addition to my standard payware
> version of AirPlan was to get back to my original intent of putting
> something in the hands of pilots to aid their flight planning process in a
> very affordable way. This is exactly what I was looking for back in 1997
> when I decided to write AirPlan in the first place.
>
> AOPA and the EAA have done pilots a service by putting out their freeware
> planners, but the main limitation of both of those options is that they only
> work on the internet. If you have a laptop but aren't connected, you can't
> use them. AirPlanLite is meant to provide an equivalent level of capability
> to what the EAA and AOPA are offering without having to be online.
> AirPlanLite is capable of transferring planned routes between the EAA
> (Aeroplanner) free planner and itself using the Import/Export functions.
> Unfortunately this can't be done with the AOPA planner.
>
> So, back to the original question. Have you tried AirPlanLite? Do you use
> it? Do you like it? Am I annoying you with this post?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dean Wilkinson
> Razor's Edge Software
> http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/airplan.htm
>
>

Hi John,

Sorry, but I wrote it in Pascal, and I can't afford to buy a MacIntosh, the
Apple development tools, and spend all the time it would take to translate
it to the Mac. The only option right now is to run it under Virtual PC.

Dean Wilkinson

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> If you write it in C, could you compile it for different platforms?
> I could run it on my Mac without Virtual Windows.
>
> Dean Wilkinson wrote:
> > Hello RAP newsgroup pilots, posters and lurkers,
> >
> > I posted a message a couple weeks ago about a new product that I put out
> > called AirPlanLite. I was wondering how many people in RAP have
actually
> > tried it, and if they have any feedback they would like to share.
> >
> > I know that because I am asking for $5.00 per database update but not
> > charging for the software, certain individuals who frequent this
newsgroup
> > believe that I am *gasp*, a spammer. I think that those individuals
have an
> > over-inflated sense of self-importance, and don't undersand the
egalitarian
> > nature of the internet or newsgroups. I fully expect a number of flames
in
> > response to this post, so have donned my Nomex undergarments.
> >
> > The truth is that I am a pilot who has created a piece of software that
I
> > have decided to share in as low a cost way as I can. I have no
illusions
> > about making any significant amount of money from my product. That has
not
> > happened over the past 6 years. I certainly have not made enough money
to
> > compensate all of the time and effort I have invested in writing this
> > software. I haven't broken even on the booth I had at Oshkosh this year
> > (first time there). I have had a few years where I have actually had to
pay
> > some taxes on my earnings from AirPlan (side business). Being an
engineer,
> > I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a marketing whiz, but that's OK
with
> > me. I have met too many marketing types who have zero ethics.
> >
> > The decision to create AirPlanLite in addition to my standard payware
> > version of AirPlan was to get back to my original intent of putting
> > something in the hands of pilots to aid their flight planning process in
a
> > very affordable way. This is exactly what I was looking for back in
1997
> > when I decided to write AirPlan in the first place.
> >
> > AOPA and the EAA have done pilots a service by putting out their
freeware
> > planners, but the main limitation of both of those options is that they
only
> > work on the internet. If you have a laptop but aren't connected, you
can't
> > use them. AirPlanLite is meant to provide an equivalent level of
capability
> > to what the EAA and AOPA are offering without having to be online.
> > AirPlanLite is capable of transferring planned routes between the EAA
> > (Aeroplanner) free planner and itself using the Import/Export functions.
> > Unfortunately this can't be done with the AOPA planner.
> >
> > So, back to the original question. Have you tried AirPlanLite? Do you
use
> > it? Do you like it? Am I annoying you with this post?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Dean Wilkinson
> > Razor's Edge Software
> > http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/airplan.htm
> >
> >
>

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Dean Wilkinson"
> wrote:

>I think that those individuals have an
>over-inflated sense of self-importance, and don't undersand the egalitarian
>nature of the internet or newsgroups.

I do understand that their are literally thousands of aviation
products available and if each vendor did what you did these news
groups would be unusable because it would be impossible to separate
the advertisements from any real content. Your single post is not a
problem as long as you are the only one doing it, but if you can do it
what stops the flood of others with products to advertise. A single
SPAM is not a problem, it is the thousands that follow.

In article >, "Dean Wilkinson"
> wrote:

"nospam" eh?

*plonk*

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

As I recall, the Aeroplanner.com guys posted to this newsgroup
regularly back in the days when they offered their service for free,
and no one had a problem with that. Of course, there was much
complaining when they started charging for their service. I am kind
of doing the opposite. I am taking something that I have been
charging money for and making a basic version that is free to download
and use. I cannot provide database updates for free, that just isn't
realistic or feasible. However, I am making them quite inexpensive
compared to the big boys. If I am going to provide something for
free, how am I going to advertise it to pilots if I can't pay for
advertising? Posting on usenet seems to be a reasonable means of
getting the word out. If Jeppesen posted messages here advertising
Flite Star for a low low prices of $199 then I would expect the kind
of response that I got with my previous post. Where do you draw the
line?


ArtP > wrote in message >...
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:15:36 -0600, "Dean Wilkinson"
> > wrote:
>
> >I think that those individuals have an
> >over-inflated sense of self-importance, and don't undersand the egalitarian
> >nature of the internet or newsgroups.
>
> I do understand that their are literally thousands of aviation
> products available and if each vendor did what you did these news
> groups would be unusable because it would be impossible to separate
> the advertisements from any real content. Your single post is not a
> problem as long as you are the only one doing it, but if you can do it
> what stops the flood of others with products to advertise. A single
> SPAM is not a problem, it is the thousands that follow.

On 1 Oct 2004 16:58:03 -0700, (Dean
Wilkinson) wrote:

> Posting on usenet seems to be a reasonable means of
>getting the word out. If Jeppesen posted messages here advertising
>Flite Star for a low low prices of $199 then I would expect the kind
>of response that I got with my previous post. Where do you draw the
>line?

Post on Rec.Aviation.Products. I draw the line anytime any money is
required to use a product or whenever the product is only a gateway to
a premium service. I am bombarded daily by "free" offers (just pay
S&H). Dell is now offering "free" Dell branded printers when you by a
computer (the Dell branded ink cartridge for the printer is $50).

The Co-Pilot program for my PDA is free and so are the database
updates (although you are encouraged to contribute, you are not
required to). That is free, and as much as I like the program, I would
not like to see it being advertised in this news group.

Dean Wilkinson wrote:

> Sorry, but I wrote it in Pascal,

Hey Dean...being a software guy, I'm curious as to why the decision to
write it in Pascal? Thinking of Pascal takes me back to my college days.

"Dean Wilkinson" > writes:


> Sorry, but I wrote it in Pascal, and I can't afford to buy a MacIntosh, the
> Apple development tools, and spend all the time it would take to translate
> it to the Mac. The only option right now is to run it under Virtual PC.

Hm, I think the development tools are free. But your point is valid,
no doubt, the computer and your time definitely have a price tag.

If you ever decide to port your software to Mac OS X, I'll be happy to
loan you a Mac of recent vintage. No compensation expected, and I will
even pay for my copy of AirPlan for OS X.

Consider that there are no flight planning software native to OS X, and
not everyone owns Virtual PC (if I wanted a PC, I'd get one...) so there
may be a market out there.

Best,

-jav

Hi Jack, (not to be said near a TSA agent)

A couple of reasons.

1. I like Pascal better than C. Its easier to work with, and is less
prone to having bugs slip past the compiler.

2. Delphi is a very well designed development tool, and I like
Borland tools better than Microsoft's.

Dean

Jack Allison > wrote in message >...
> Dean Wilkinson wrote:
>
> > Sorry, but I wrote it in Pascal,
>
> Hey Dean...being a software guy, I'm curious as to why the decision to
> write it in Pascal? Thinking of Pascal takes me back to my college days.

Aaarrrrgh! You....got....me! *gasp* *cough* I'm dead....

Bob Noel > wrote in message >...
> In article >, "Dean Wilkinson"
> > wrote:
>
> "nospam" eh?
>
> *plonk*

Dean Wilkinson wrote:

> Hi Jack, (not to be said near a TSA agent)
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard that one...I could make a
down payment on an airplane :-)

> 1. I like Pascal better than C. Its easier to work with, and is less
> prone to having bugs slip past the compiler.
>
> 2. Delphi is a very well designed development tool, and I like
> Borland tools better than Microsoft's.
>
Makes sense. I've worked with both MS and Borland environments (for C
vs. Pascal). I had a chance to play with Delphi once. Didn't do
anything serious in it but it was a much better environment than what I
was working in at the time (PowerBuilder...yuk!). Boreland has done a
nice job with their development environment.

Thanks for the info...just sort of wondering, given what I do for a living.

Here's hoping the nomex flame suit holds up :-)


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL, IA Student

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

"Dean Wilkinson" > wrote in message
...
> Hello RAP newsgroup pilots, posters and lurkers,
<snip>
> So, back to the original question. Have you tried AirPlanLite? Do you
use
> it? Do you like it? Am I annoying you with this post?
>

Thanks again for making this resource available. While I haven't had a
chance to actually use the product for actual flight planning purposes yet,
I have been able to run a few planed trips with it. I like the feature
where you can compute the cost for a trip; for renters who fly different
planes, this simplifies another step (would it be cheaper to take the C150
or use the Arrow? How about that new Skyhawk, how much more would it cost?)

I'm sure I'll learn more about it, it's features and limitations shortly,
I've got to start burning off 30 hours of night time here soon to get to 135
mins, and your product will more than likely come in very handy for those
time building trips, especially since I can get an idea of what the route
will be like before I go and buy all the charts.

Thanks again,
Mike

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:15:36 -0600, Dean Wilkinson wrote:

<snip>

> I know that because I am asking for $5.00 per database update but not
> charging for the software, certain individuals who frequent this newsgroup
> believe that I am *gasp*, a spammer. I think that those individuals have an
> over-inflated sense of self-importance, and don't undersand the egalitarian
> nature of the internet or newsgroups. I fully expect a number of flames in
> response to this post, so have donned my Nomex undergarments.

Dean my friend,

You obviously don't have an understanding of the egalitarion (whatever
egalitarian means) nature of newsgroups. Newsgroups for the most part are
commercial free unless the newsgroup charter permits it. By default it is
not permitted.

Please check out
http://www.netscape.co.uk/help/faqs/newsgroups/newsgroupmanners.htm

Taken from the above website:

Never post advertising on a Newsgroup unless it is specifically created to
accept adverts.

Also check out
http://www.aol.com/netfind/scoop/newsgroup_etiquette.html

Taken from this website:

Everyone hates commercials. Be very hesitant about posting advertisements
or commercial messages. This also gets people really mad.

I could go on and on, but I would hope by this time you get the
message.....

I saw others have already pointed you to the appropriate newsgroups to post
commercial solicitations.

I stand by my original post. Contribute to the newsgroup and use a sig
line to promote your product.

Really Dean, I am a nice person. I come to newsgroups to share and learn
experiences. I don't come here for commercials, advertisements and the
such.

That is what the internet is for.

Allen

"A Lieberman" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:15:36 -0600, Dean Wilkinson wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > I know that because I am asking for $5.00 per database update but not
> > charging for the software, certain individuals who frequent this
newsgroup
> > believe that I am *gasp*, a spammer. I think that those individuals
have an
> > over-inflated sense of self-importance, and don't undersand the
egalitarian
> > nature of the internet or newsgroups. I fully expect a number of flames
in
> > response to this post, so have donned my Nomex undergarments.
>
> Dean my friend,
>
> You obviously don't have an understanding of the egalitarion (whatever
> egalitarian means) nature of newsgroups. Newsgroups for the most part are
> commercial free unless the newsgroup charter permits it. By default it is
> not permitted.

Dear Mr. Lieberman

This group has ALWAYS completely followed Usenet policies. (*gasp* choke)
This is such a "not a big thing" as to make me wonder why you would waste
your time.

How about endless off topic posts? How about the other announcements of
products? How about.......?

How about you getting a life. This is a service provided, *almost* free,
for the use of the people who use this forum.

By the way, what services have you provided for the users of this group,
free, or otherwise?
--
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I once wrote a complete shop floor control system for a large aerospace
company in pascal for a DEC/VAX environment and they are still using it,
some 12 years later.

Rob



"Dean Wilkinson" > wrote in message
m...
> Hi Jack, (not to be said near a TSA agent)
>
> A couple of reasons.
>
> 1. I like Pascal better than C. Its easier to work with, and is less
> prone to having bugs slip past the compiler.
>
> 2. Delphi is a very well designed development tool, and I like
> Borland tools better than Microsoft's.
>
> Dean
>
> Jack Allison > wrote in message
>...
> > Dean Wilkinson wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry, but I wrote it in Pascal,
> >
> > Hey Dean...being a software guy, I'm curious as to why the decision to
> > write it in Pascal? Thinking of Pascal takes me back to my college
days.

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:45:35 -0400, Morgans wrote:

>How about you getting a life. This is a service provided, *almost* free,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
yeah, sure.

>for the use of the people who use this forum.

This is no forum, this is not the internet .. *this* *is* *USENET*.


#m

--
Somehow, some way, the Left trash talks "multi-national corporations" and
"big corporations" as if they were messengers of evil, when, in fact,
corporations represent the ultimate, perfect expression of communal
ownership of capital. (Jay Honeck in r.a.p.)

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:45:35 -0400, Morgans wrote:

> Dear Mr. Lieberman
>
> This group has ALWAYS completely followed Usenet policies. (*gasp* choke)
> This is such a "not a big thing" as to make me wonder why you would waste
> your time.

Jim,

I originally wasn't going to reply to your post, but felt that a courtey
reply is warranted to your last question and comment on your first
paragraph.

Your observations on your first paragraph are spot on. The rec.aviation
groups are one of the few newsgroups that do remain on topic. It's a few
individuals (mostly newbies) that sometime need gentle reminders about
proper etiquette of Usenet.

> By the way, what services have you provided for the users of this group,
> free, or otherwise?

The direct answer would be none. I have not provided any SERVICES.
Newsgroups / Usenet is the wrong place for providing SERVICES.

I have provided on topic discussions. Don't believe me? Google will show
my track record. Google will also show that I am not into flamewars.

Enuf said....

Allen

"A Lieberman" > wrote
>
> Jim,

> The rec.aviation groups are one of the few newsgroups that do remain on
topic.

**************************
WHAT?????????

Pasted from prior posts:

> Obviously others disagree with this interpretation. I don't, however -
> school districts should not be supporting an organization that
> discriminates based on religion or sexual orientation.

assuming, of course, that said organization is actually discriminating.

>
> "The Boys Scouts may have a legal right to discriminate against
> atheists, agnostics, gays and others, but we remain convinced that
> as long as they continue that discrimination they have no right to
> receive special access to Portland elementary schools during the
> school day to recruit 6 and 7 year-old boys to join in that
> discrimination," [Oregon ACLU Executive Director David] Fidanque
> said.
> > Obviously others disagree with this interpretation. I don't, however -
> school districts should not be supporting an organization that
> discriminates based on religion or sexual orientation.


Pick a post. I have most of them filtered out, but you HAVE to be kidding.
--
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On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:51:57 -0400, Morgans wrote:

> "A Lieberman" > wrote
>>
>> Jim,
>
>> The rec.aviation groups are one of the few newsgroups that do remain on
> topic.
>
> **************************
> WHAT?????????
>
> Pasted from prior posts:
>
>> Obviously others disagree with this interpretation. I don't, however -
>> school districts should not be supporting an organization that

Clearly not me Jim,

Please check again. Those come under a thread I was involved in.

Allen

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:51:57 -0400, Morgans wrote:

> "A Lieberman" > wrote
>>
>> Jim,
>
>> The rec.aviation groups are one of the few newsgroups that do remain on
> topic.
>
> **************************
> WHAT?????????
>
> Pasted from prior posts:
>
>> Obviously others disagree with this interpretation. I don't, however -
>> school districts should not be supporting an organization that
>> discriminates based on religion or sexual orientation.

WRONG Jim!!!!!

Google is wonderful! To prove your unsubstantiated claims, please go to

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Fidanque&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=rec.*&c2coff=1&selm=xof7d.52464%24He1.20410%40attbi_s01&rnum=5

Go to
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&threadm=xof7d.52464%24He1.20410%40attbi_s01&rnum=5&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFidanque%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Drec.*%26c2coff%3D1%26selm%3Dxof7d.5246 4%2524He1.20410%2540attbi_s01%26rnum%3D5
for the full thread.

Google is one's best friend when you are on the up and up.

Allen

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:59:10 -0500, A Lieberman wrote:

>>> Jim,
>>
>>> The rec.aviation groups are one of the few newsgroups that do remain on
>> topic.
>>
>> **************************
>> WHAT?????????
>>
>> Pasted from prior posts:

Jim,

After re-reading the post, I thought you were saying I was posting off
topic items rather then some posts being off topic. I just now got what
you were saying.

Sorry for my "rant" in my response to you

Allen

"A Lieberman" > wrote

> Clearly not me Jim,
>
> Please check again. Those come under a thread I was involved in.
>
> Allen
+++++++++++++++++++++

Sorry for the confusion.

My goal was not to say *you* had been off topic, by posting the selection I
used. It was rather to show, in a small way, that the group as a whole, is
frequently very far from being on topic.

More clear now? If not, "never mind". :-)
--
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"A Lieberman" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:51:57 -0400, Morgans wrote:
>
> > "A Lieberman" > wrote
> >>
> >> Jim,
> >
> >> The rec.aviation groups are one of the few newsgroups that do remain on
> > topic.
> >
> > **************************
> > WHAT?????????
> >
> > Pasted from prior posts:
> >
> >> Obviously others disagree with this interpretation. I don't, however -
> >> school districts should not be supporting an organization that
> >> discriminates based on religion or sexual orientation.
>
> WRONG Jim!!!!!
>
> Google is wonderful! To prove your unsubstantiated claims, please go to
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Fidanque&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=rec.*&c2coff=1&selm=xof7d.52464%24He1.20410%40attbi_s01&rnum=5
>
> Go to
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&threadm=xof7d.52464%24He1.20410%40attbi_s01&rnum=5&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DFidanque%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26group%3Drec.*%26c2coff%3D1%26selm%3Dxof7d.5246 4%2524He1.20410%2540attbi_s01%26rnum%3D5
> for the full thread.
>
> Google is one's best friend when you are on the up and up.
>
> Allen

So what's your point? Are you saying I am not on the up and up? I resent
that, big time.

All I was trying to do, was site one example to refute YOUR claim that this
group stays on topic. I never said you were the poster that was off topic.

You really should do some work on reading for content.
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"A Lieberman" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:59:10 -0500, A Lieberman wrote:
>
> >>> Jim,
> >>
> >>> The rec.aviation groups are one of the few newsgroups that do remain
on
> >> topic.
> >>
> >> **************************
> >> WHAT?????????
> >>
> >> Pasted from prior posts:
>
> Jim,
>
> After re-reading the post, I thought you were saying I was posting off
> topic items rather then some posts being off topic. I just now got what
> you were saying.
>
> Sorry for my "rant" in my response to you
>
> Allen

And I accept your apology, and take back what I said in response to your
posts, since I did not read this until I had already posted the previous
posts.

Confused? I am! <g>


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Allen,

> > I know that because I am asking for $5.00 per database update but not
> > charging for the software, certain individuals who frequent this newsgroup
> > believe that I am *gasp*, a spammer. I think that those individuals have an
> > over-inflated sense of self-importance, and don't undersand the egalitarian
> > nature of the internet or newsgroups. I fully expect a number of flames in
> > response to this post, so have donned my Nomex undergarments.
>
> You obviously don't have an understanding of the egalitarion (whatever
> egalitarian means) nature of newsgroups. Newsgroups for the most part are
> commercial free unless the newsgroup charter permits it. By default it is
> not permitted.

First off, learn to spell before you attempt to correct someone else.
It is spelled "egalitarian" not "egalitarion". Look it up in the
dictionary. I take it english is not your first language.

>
>
> Really Dean, I am a nice person. I come to newsgroups to share and learn
> experiences. I don't come here for commercials, advertisements and the
> such.
>

Funny how a supposedly nice person comes across as a second rate jerk.
You are the second biggest jerk I have encountered on usenet. You'll
have to try a little harder to take first place.

There, I told you what I think without the use of profanity...

See how much fun usenet is?

Dean

"Dean Wilkinson" > wrote in message
m...
> [...]
> First off, learn to spell before you attempt to correct someone else.
> It is spelled "egalitarian" not "egalitarion".

Since he spelled it correctly in his parenthetical statement, it's as likely
that the original misspelling was simply a typo, rather than out of
ignorance. After all, he was just copying the word from your previous post
anyway.

> Funny how a supposedly nice person comes across as a second rate jerk.
> You are the second biggest jerk I have encountered on usenet.

Really? You must have just arrived. Don't worry, it'll get worse. A LOT
worse.

I can understand your defensiveness, given the heat some folks have given
you for a variety of things. But truly, Allen's post was a quite gentle,
mild reminder to you regarding proper Usenet etiquette. He provided
relevant links for your edification, and said nothing offensive to you at
all. Calling him a jerk (any kind of jerk) reveals WAY more about your
nature than his.

Pete

Peter,

You don't know the first thing about my nature, but feel free to
presume what you will... that's par of usenet.

Dean

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message >...
> "Dean Wilkinson" > wrote in message
> m...
> > [...]
> > First off, learn to spell before you attempt to correct someone else.
> > It is spelled "egalitarian" not "egalitarion".
>
> Since he spelled it correctly in his parenthetical statement, it's as likely
> that the original misspelling was simply a typo, rather than out of
> ignorance. After all, he was just copying the word from your previous post
> anyway.
>
> > Funny how a supposedly nice person comes across as a second rate jerk.
> > You are the second biggest jerk I have encountered on usenet.
>
> Really? You must have just arrived. Don't worry, it'll get worse. A LOT
> worse.
>
> I can understand your defensiveness, given the heat some folks have given
> you for a variety of things. But truly, Allen's post was a quite gentle,
> mild reminder to you regarding proper Usenet etiquette. He provided
> relevant links for your edification, and said nothing offensive to you at
> all. Calling him a jerk (any kind of jerk) reveals WAY more about your
> nature than his.
>
> Pete

Pete,

One more thing... I wasn't calling him a jerk because of this one
particular email that I was replying to, I was calling him a jerk for
other postings that he put out a couple of weeks ago in a lame attempt
to engage me in a flame war.

Being defensive? Naw, just having a good time poking someone with a
stick to see what they do next, i.e. trolling. You have to admit that
usenet can be a riot sometimes. The type of people who sit on high
horses preaching about newsgroup etiquette and propriety are often
hypocrites anyway. Take Larry Digherra for example.

I believe that I am offering an honest benefit to pilots with my new
software offering and thought that it was appropriate to announce it
to this group. If you want to split hairs and say that it isn't free
because I won't give you free database updates, well so be it. I sure
as hell am not going to work for free for the likes of A Lieberman by
giving him free database updates for life. Some people agreed that it
was OK, and some did not. I will point out that I have refrained from
starting any threads about my commercial software in this newsgroup,
as that would clearly be spamming the group.

Dean

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message >...
> "Dean Wilkinson" > wrote in message
> m...
> > [...]
> > First off, learn to spell before you attempt to correct someone else.
> > It is spelled "egalitarian" not "egalitarion".
>
> Since he spelled it correctly in his parenthetical statement, it's as likely
> that the original misspelling was simply a typo, rather than out of
> ignorance. After all, he was just copying the word from your previous post
> anyway.
>
> > Funny how a supposedly nice person comes across as a second rate jerk.
> > You are the second biggest jerk I have encountered on usenet.
>
> Really? You must have just arrived. Don't worry, it'll get worse. A LOT
> worse.
>
> I can understand your defensiveness, given the heat some folks have given
> you for a variety of things. But truly, Allen's post was a quite gentle,
> mild reminder to you regarding proper Usenet etiquette. He provided
> relevant links for your edification, and said nothing offensive to you at
> all. Calling him a jerk (any kind of jerk) reveals WAY more about your
> nature than his.
>
> Pete

(Dean Wilkinson) wrote

> First off, learn to spell before you attempt to correct someone else.
> It is spelled "egalitarian" not "egalitarion". Look it up in the
> dictionary. I take it english is not your first language.

By this logic, your writing is also so poor that you must not be a
native speaker. "English" in your sentence needs to be capitalized.

Sheesh. Give the guy a break.

Jim Rosinski

Jim,

I'm not going to give a break to someone who didn't give me one, and I
am not referring to the post that started this thread. Lieberman came
out swinging against me a couple of weeks ago.

Dean

(Jim Rosinski) wrote in message >...
> (Dean Wilkinson) wrote
>
> > First off, learn to spell before you attempt to correct someone else.
> > It is spelled "egalitarian" not "egalitarion". Look it up in the
> > dictionary. I take it english is not your first language.
>
> By this logic, your writing is also so poor that you must not be a
> native speaker. "English" in your sentence needs to be capitalized.
>
> Sheesh. Give the guy a break.
>
> Jim Rosinski