Thanks to Dan Luke, pix of the infamous Pinckneyville "rec.aviation" fly-in
are now available on the "Rogue's Gallery"!

See them at:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rogue's_gallery_i_-_p.htm

(Scroll down to the "P's"....)

Looks like a great time! Next year, for sure!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:10:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>Thanks to Dan Luke, pix of the infamous Pinckneyville "rec.aviation" fly-in
>are now available on the "Rogue's Gallery"!

You should have seen it when 100 people showed up with more airplanes
than you could park on the ramp, free rides in twins and aerobatics by
a few. Tony Pucillo and the gang playing music till the late hours of
the night. People like Chuck Slusarsick telling tall tales into the
wee hours of the morning.

Pinkneville died off as it should. Rather than becoming the big event
that it could have. Sniveling moochers trying to make a profit,
hangers-on, and fat bitches that never built anything but talked
mostly about the food is who you'll find there now.

Kind of sad, considering the great people who sponsored the first
couple events, Tony Pucillo, Ray Jarvis, O'ring Seals and a few more.

Ah well, ya gets what ya disserves. That fly-in is similar to all of
America nowadays...a general dumbing down of anyone who stands out,
anyone who is the best of the best. It's all the same, a tendency
toward below average mediocrity. I'll bet a thousand dollars O'ring
and I have more time logged (and we quit logging time years ago) than
all the time of all the people, added up together, that I saw in any
of these photos. I'll also bet that we've spent more man-years
building and test flying than any of the people who I saw sitting
there drinking beer. Then if you add in Jarvis's 25000 hours, 12,000
in 747-400's alone...you'll triple that figure.

But, you people have what you wanted, you pecked out anyone who really
had anything to offer. Any nail that stuck out of the wood was
hammered down long ago. So, you folks go have your Pink-knee-ville,
eat your hamburgers, drink your Miller-Draft and listen to low-time
pilots like Snow**** tell you how to do it, how a BFR should be
conducted, how an initial test flight might be addressed... You
listen to the pilots that would kill themselves if they ever had to
test fly a homebuilt and it started to roll on them, the prop went
flat or the engine crapped out. Yep, that's who posts here now,
assholes like Burnie the butt**** who couldn't build a Dagwood
sandwich, let alone an airplane.

You people go to Pink Knee Ville each year and congratulate yourselves
on your accomplishments and great successes in building aircraft.
Hell, you can't even get Bourbon down there anymore and he only lives
around the block.

You people who couldn't drill a hole straight enough to put a rivet
into-and if you did, wouldn't know how to drive that rivet. You guys
and gals have a great time pontificating about nothingness, while some
of us continue to build and fly experimental aircraft that you can't
build and you would never be able to fly. I'm buying parts now to
build a Lancair Legacy with a supercharged IO-550 on the front of it.



And you know.....

If I build it, I'll remember that I built it with information I got
here from High Flier and Sydney and Oysterhouse, the great builders
and fliers of our time, and the recurrent visits to Pink Knee Ville so
I could remain "tuned" up for the task of building and test-flying a
300 knot airplane.

Yep, I learned it all here from this forum, the forum of self
proclaimed geniuses of homebuilding and test flying.

What a joke this forum is and what a joke Pink Knee Ville has become
from what it once was. Looks more like a circle-jerk than a fly-in.
What showed, up? Three airplanes? What a crock of ****. I had a
picknick here a week ago with more pilots and more experience present
that 10 Pink Knee Villes...and that was a spur of the moment thing I
planned the morning of the event.

Six helicopters flew in, a paraglider, four trikes and a balloon came
for a hamburger fry.

Pink Knee Ville----How embarrassing from what it could have become if
the people with the right stuff weren't pecked out of the group early
on. Well, you PJYer's enjoy yourselves and if you'd had Pink Ass
there this year, all you fat ****s would be posting and talking about
the savory barbeque sauce that someone made instead of how to install
speed brakes on a Glassair or using a Chadwick to balance a prop. But
Pink Ass too only got there because I bought him an airline ticket.
He too was too cheap to even pay his own way. Then I find out he's
really a dentist. Christ, what a bunch of mooches.

What a ****ing joke all of you muther ****ers are.

BWB

Badwater Bill wrote:
>
> I'm buying parts now to
> build a Lancair Legacy with a supercharged IO-550 on the front of it.
>
> BWB


You know, Bad Bill,

If yo weren't such a nice guy at heart, you be real easy to dislike...


Richard

Saving up money to build another VW...

"Badwater Bill" > wrote in message
...
<snip snip snip>


Gee, why sugar coat it when you could tell us how you REALLY feel?

8-O

"Badwater Bill" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:10:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
>
> >Thanks to Dan Luke, pix of the infamous Pinckneyville "rec.aviation"
fly-in
> >are now available on the "Rogue's Gallery"!
>
> You should have seen it when 100 people showed up with more airplanes
> than you could park on the ramp, free rides in twins and aerobatics by
> a few. Tony Pucillo and the gang playing music till the late hours of
> the night. People like Chuck Slusarsick telling tall tales into the
> wee hours of the morning.
>
> Pinkneville died off as it should. Rather than becoming the big event
> that it could have. Sniveling moochers trying to make a profit,
> hangers-on, and fat bitches that never built anything but talked
> mostly about the food is who you'll find there now.
>
> Kind of sad, considering the great people who sponsored the first
> couple events, Tony Pucillo, Ray Jarvis, O'ring Seals and a few more.
>
> Ah well, ya gets what ya disserves. That fly-in is similar to all of
> America nowadays...a general dumbing down of anyone who stands out,
> anyone who is the best of the best. It's all the same, a tendency
> toward below average mediocrity. I'll bet a thousand dollars O'ring
> and I have more time logged (and we quit logging time years ago) than
> all the time of all the people, added up together, that I saw in any
> of these photos. I'll also bet that we've spent more man-years
> building and test flying than any of the people who I saw sitting
> there drinking beer. Then if you add in Jarvis's 25000 hours, 12,000
> in 747-400's alone...you'll triple that figure.
>
> But, you people have what you wanted, you pecked out anyone who really
> had anything to offer. Any nail that stuck out of the wood was
> hammered down long ago. So, you folks go have your Pink-knee-ville,
> eat your hamburgers, drink your Miller-Draft and listen to low-time
> pilots like Snow**** tell you how to do it, how a BFR should be
> conducted, how an initial test flight might be addressed... You
> listen to the pilots that would kill themselves if they ever had to
> test fly a homebuilt and it started to roll on them, the prop went
> flat or the engine crapped out. Yep, that's who posts here now,
> assholes like Burnie the butt**** who couldn't build a Dagwood
> sandwich, let alone an airplane.
>
> You people go to Pink Knee Ville each year and congratulate yourselves
> on your accomplishments and great successes in building aircraft.
> Hell, you can't even get Bourbon down there anymore and he only lives
> around the block.
>
> You people who couldn't drill a hole straight enough to put a rivet
> into-and if you did, wouldn't know how to drive that rivet. You guys
> and gals have a great time pontificating about nothingness, while some
> of us continue to build and fly experimental aircraft that you can't
> build and you would never be able to fly. I'm buying parts now to
> build a Lancair Legacy with a supercharged IO-550 on the front of it.
>
>
>
> And you know.....
>
> If I build it, I'll remember that I built it with information I got
> here from High Flier and Sydney and Oysterhouse, the great builders
> and fliers of our time, and the recurrent visits to Pink Knee Ville so
> I could remain "tuned" up for the task of building and test-flying a
> 300 knot airplane.
>
> Yep, I learned it all here from this forum, the forum of self
> proclaimed geniuses of homebuilding and test flying.
>
> What a joke this forum is and what a joke Pink Knee Ville has become
> from what it once was. Looks more like a circle-jerk than a fly-in.
> What showed, up? Three airplanes? What a crock of ****. I had a
> picknick here a week ago with more pilots and more experience present
> that 10 Pink Knee Villes...and that was a spur of the moment thing I
> planned the morning of the event.
>
> Six helicopters flew in, a paraglider, four trikes and a balloon came
> for a hamburger fry.
>
> Pink Knee Ville----How embarrassing from what it could have become if
> the people with the right stuff weren't pecked out of the group early
> on. Well, you PJYer's enjoy yourselves and if you'd had Pink Ass
> there this year, all you fat ****s would be posting and talking about
> the savory barbeque sauce that someone made instead of how to install
> speed brakes on a Glassair or using a Chadwick to balance a prop. But
> Pink Ass too only got there because I bought him an airline ticket.
> He too was too cheap to even pay his own way. Then I find out he's
> really a dentist. Christ, what a bunch of mooches.
>
> What a ****ing joke all of you muther ****ers are.
>
> BWB

Gee, BWB, I'm so sorry I blew my neck out and had to stop building for 3
years, thereby becoming an unworthy limpdick. Still, thanks for the
airplane ride. I'll stop working my Europa's instrument panel now - better
that to potentially decide later on I actually learned something in the
process and dare share it with someone.

On Sat, 29 May 2004 00:25:47 GMT,
(Badwater Bill) wrote:

>On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:10:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:
>
>>Thanks to Dan Luke, pix of the infamous Pinckneyville "rec.aviation" fly-in
>>are now available on the "Rogue's Gallery"!
>
>You should have seen it when 100 people showed up with more airplanes
>than you could park on the ramp, free rides in twins and aerobatics by
>a few. Tony Pucillo and the gang playing music till the late hours of
>the night. People like Chuck Slusarsick telling tall tales into the
>wee hours of the morning.
>
>Pinkneville died off as it should. Rather than becoming the big event
>that it could have. Sniveling moochers trying to make a profit,
>hangers-on, and fat bitches that never built anything but talked
>mostly about the food is who you'll find there now.
>
>Kind of sad, considering the great people who sponsored the first
>couple events, Tony Pucillo, Ray Jarvis, O'ring Seals and a few more.
>
>Ah well, ya gets what ya disserves. That fly-in is similar to all of
>America nowadays...a general dumbing down of anyone who stands out,
>anyone who is the best of the best. It's all the same, a tendency
>toward below average mediocrity. I'll bet a thousand dollars O'ring
>and I have more time logged (and we quit logging time years ago) than
>all the time of all the people, added up together, that I saw in any
>of these photos. I'll also bet that we've spent more man-years
>building and test flying than any of the people who I saw sitting
>there drinking beer. Then if you add in Jarvis's 25000 hours, 12,000
>in 747-400's alone...you'll triple that figure.
>
Bill, does it really matter how hours you have? We're
talking about people here. People that are friends. The
Pinckneyville flyin isn't about how many hours you have at
the top of a loop nor is it about how many airplanes you've
flown. It's a bunch of people that enjoy each others
company and, granted, they may tell a few "stories" that
aren't completely truthful but anytime you get at least
three pilots together it's pretty much guaranteed that a few
"stories" will be shared.


>But, you people have what you wanted, you pecked out anyone who really
>had anything to offer. Any nail that stuck out of the wood was
>hammered down long ago. So, you folks go have your Pink-knee-ville,
>eat your hamburgers, drink your Miller-Draft and listen to low-time
>pilots like Snow**** tell you how to do it, how a BFR should be
>conducted, how an initial test flight might be addressed... You
>listen to the pilots that would kill themselves if they ever had to
>test fly a homebuilt and it started to roll on them, the prop went
>flat or the engine crapped out. Yep, that's who posts here now,
>assholes like Burnie the butt**** who couldn't build a Dagwood
>sandwich, let alone an airplane.
>
Butt**** wasn't there... And, I doubt seriously that he/she
will ever be at any fly-in. Not because he/she is a poor
disabled wanna-be pilot but because he/she is a complete
coward.... unfit to associate with those who have actually
built airplanes and flown those aircraft.


>You people go to Pink Knee Ville each year and congratulate yourselves
>on your accomplishments and great successes in building aircraft.
>Hell, you can't even get Bourbon down there anymore and he only lives
>around the block.
>
>You people who couldn't drill a hole straight enough to put a rivet
>into-and if you did, wouldn't know how to drive that rivet. You guys
>and gals have a great time pontificating about nothingness, while some
>of us continue to build and fly experimental aircraft that you can't
>build and you would never be able to fly. I'm buying parts now to
>build a Lancair Legacy with a supercharged IO-550 on the front of it.
>
>
Bill, I'm happy you're building a Legacy. Maybe the time it
takes to build it will give you a purpose in life. Right
now, I'm finding it real difficult to like you. You've
posted about how John O deserved to be divorced from his
wife. You've posted, in this post, how David is a mooch
because he accepted your offer of airfare to the
Pinckneyville Flyin. You told me of this agreement several
years ago telling me it was confidential. I kept that
confidence. I didn't feel it was something that should be
shared with the entire world. WHY did you, at this time,
feel you need'ed to announce that you'd paid David's way to
Pinckneyville??

>
>And you know.....
>
>If I build it, I'll remember that I built it with information I got
>here from High Flier and Sydney and Oysterhouse, the great builders
>and fliers of our time, and the recurrent visits to Pink Knee Ville so
>I could remain "tuned" up for the task of building and test-flying a
>300 knot airplane.
>
>Yep, I learned it all here from this forum, the forum of self
>proclaimed geniuses of homebuilding and test flying.
>
>What a joke this forum is and what a joke Pink Knee Ville has become
>from what it once was. Looks more like a circle-jerk than a fly-in.
>What showed, up? Three airplanes? What a crock of ****. I had a
>picknick here a week ago with more pilots and more experience present
>that 10 Pink Knee Villes...and that was a spur of the moment thing I
>planned the morning of the event.
>
>Six helicopters flew in, a paraglider, four trikes and a balloon came
>for a hamburger fry.
>
>Pink Knee Ville----How embarrassing from what it could have become if
>the people with the right stuff weren't pecked out of the group early
>on. Well, you PJYer's enjoy yourselves and if you'd had Pink Ass
>there this year, all you fat ****s would be posting and talking about
>the savory barbeque sauce that someone made instead of how to install
>speed brakes on a Glassair or using a Chadwick to balance a prop. But
>Pink Ass too only got there because I bought him an airline ticket.
>He too was too cheap to even pay his own way. Then I find out he's
>really a dentist. Christ, what a bunch of mooches.
>
>What a ****ing joke all of you muther ****ers are.
>

I'm glad to know what you think about us, Bill... I really
had hoped that you'd changed but I'm sorry to see that
you're still the self-centered vindicative asshole you've
always said you are....


>BWB
>
>


I know you won't do it but you'd really benefit from some
"counseling" and, maybe, once you've realized what a
complete ass you've been, a sincere apology to RAH would be
in order. But, like I said, you won't do it... you believe
you're above all the rest of us.... I don't have the
degrees you have and I'm sure you think that should mean
something but, frankly, given what I've seen from your
posts... I don't think you deserve ANY respect....

John Ammeter

PS... I want to be sure you get this reply so I'm also sent
it to your private email address. Bill, I really thought
about this... I've responded, in the past, privately, to
some your "over the top" posts. This post is so vile that
it deserves a public response. I really think you need to
talk to someone about your problems....

Just so you know, I'm bcc'ing several friends with this
email. You've made this a public issue by posting it to
RAH. I'm simply continuing to keep it public.

"Badwater Bill" > wrote

> Pinkneville died off as it should. Rather than becoming the big event
> that it could have.

> What a ****ing joke all of you muther ****ers are.
>
> BWB

Give it a rest, Bill. We all know how you feel. Why drag it around again?
--
Jim in NC


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>>
>Bill, does it really matter how hours you have? We're
>talking about people here. People that are friends. The
>Pinckneyville flyin isn't about how many hours you have at
>the top of a loop nor is it about how many airplanes you've
>flown. It's a bunch of people that enjoy each others
>company and, granted, they may tell a few "stories" that
>aren't completely truthful but anytime you get at least
>three pilots together it's pretty much guaranteed that a few
>"stories" will be shared.

Yeah, John it really does matter how many hours you have, and what
type. But you wouldn't know that because you only have about 200.
It matters how many building hours you have too...how many airplanes
you've built and worked on. It's all about experience John. Nothing
else much makes the man other than experience.


>>
>Bill, I'm happy you're building a Legacy. Maybe the time it
>takes to build it will give you a purpose in life. Right
>now, I'm finding it real difficult to like you. You've
>posted about how John O deserved to be divorced from his
>wife. You've posted, in this post, how David is a mooch
>because he accepted your offer of airfare to the
>Pinckneyville Flyin. You told me of this agreement several
>years ago telling me it was confidential. I kept that
>confidence. I didn't feel it was something that should be
>shared with the entire world. WHY did you, at this time,
>feel you need'ed to announce that you'd paid David's way to
>Pinckneyville??

Yeah, well, maybe everyone should know who the mooches are John.
Maybe all the confidential conversations were wasted and it really was
not right. Maybe all should know about how the Pink Knee Ville fly-in
turned to **** because of the mooching sons a bitches who tried to
make $10 (ten bucks) off the participants, ****ed all of us off who
spent a grand to get there to support the event.


>
>I'm glad to know what you think about us, Bill... I really
>had hoped that you'd changed but I'm sorry to see that
>you're still the self-centered vindicative asshole you've
>always said you are....
>
>
>>BWB
>>
>>
>
>
>I know you won't do it but you'd really benefit from some
>"counseling" and, maybe, once you've realized what a
>complete ass you've been, a sincere apology to RAH would be
>in order. But, like I said, you won't do it... you believe
>you're above all the rest of us.... I don't have the
>degrees you have and I'm sure you think that should mean
>something but, frankly, given what I've seen from your
>posts... I don't think you deserve ANY respect....
>
>John Ammeter

Oh now you are a psychologist and recommending therapy for me. You
****ing *******, did you even finish high school? Where are your
board ceritfications so that you are capable of evaluating someone
from a post to a ****ball usegroup forum? You are part of the problem
here.

Pink Knee Ville was a fun thing when we all first went there. The
in-fighting assholes of this group and the host ****ed it up in my
humble opinion. You know that. What the **** is the matter with you?

>
>PS... I want to be sure you get this reply so I'm also sent
>it to your private email address. Bill, I really thought
>about this... I've responded, in the past, privately, to
>some your "over the top" posts. This post is so vile that
>it deserves a public response. I really think you need to
>talk to someone about your problems....

Well, Thanks John. I will. But it won't be you. So don't bother to
call me again when you have problems.


>
>Just so you know, I'm bcc'ing several friends with this
>email. You've made this a public issue by posting it to
>RAH. I'm simply continuing to keep it public.


You can ****ing BCC the Pope if you like. It's your call
BUDDY.

BWB

On Sat, 29 May 2004 00:25:47 GMT, (Badwater
Bill) wrote:
>
>You should have seen it when 100 people showed up with more airplanes
>than you could park on the ramp, free rides in twins and aerobatics by

>What a ****ing joke all of you muther ****ers are.


Wow! It takes a mighty small man to care enough to make such a big
noise.


--
David Munday - david.munday at uc dot edu
Webpage: http://www.ase.uc.edu/~munday
"Adopt, Adapt, and Improve" -- Motto of the Round Table

(David Munday) wrote:

>>You should have seen it when 100 people showed up with more airplanes
>>than you could park on the ramp, free rides in twins and aerobatics by
>
>>What a ****ing joke all of you muther ****ers are.
>
>
>Wow! It takes a mighty small man to care enough to make such a big
>noise.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Unbelievable !
Is "Moonday"history about to repeat itself? <g>


Barnyard BOb -

>
>Wow! It takes a mighty small man to care enough to make such a big
>noise.

You ought to know Moon Man. Only the **** ant Cessna 150 drivers like
you are the depth that attends the PJY "attempted" fly-in nowadays.

What do we see on the ramp...ahh, a Cessna 172, you might be able to
fly that, but certainly not the Stinson or the Twin Commanche. What a
massive fly in...what a massive attendance.

Gee, I realy feel like I missed something since I missed connecting
with you there and gleening your wisdom. We could have had a
conversation about the approach speed of a 150 or a standard rate turn
maybe...nah, you wouldn't know what a standard rate turn is.

Flunk out of grad school again Moon Man? Go back over to that History
department where you belong and leave science and flying to the real
men.

BWB

> What a ****ing joke all of you muther ****ers are.

Wow -- I usually hang out over on .piloting and .owning -- now I know why.

What the heck prompted this kind of response to pictures from a *party*???
Can someone fill me in here?

Or would I rather not know?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

>
>Give it a rest, Bill. We all know how you feel. Why drag it around again?

Because I don't think all the new people know how I feel or what has
happened. I made my statement, I'll drop it now, but early on there
was a lot of talent that supported a RAH fly-in once a year. Only the
weekend pilots who know nothing continue to think it's worthwhile at
this point. There are reasons for this. If the group had played
their cards right, the RAH fly-in could have become one of the biggest
EAA events of the year that some real meaningful people would attend.
That was my goal along with O'ring Seals, Ray Jarvis, Tony Pucillo,
Chuck Slusarsick, Dave Tate, Craig Wall and many others.

We could have had workshops on dope and fabric, wood and metal
working, riveting and engine maintenance. The only guy who ever did
anything fun was Chuck Slusarsick. Chuck always had a workshop on
building model airplanes and then he'd have a fly-off to see who built
the one that would do what ever the mission was suppose to be.

There were a lot of cool people who showed up years ago in
ultralights, gyrocopters, high performance aerobatic airplanes and the
like. The ramp actually had no more parking space at the last one I
went to in about 2000. People brought other toys too like Craig
Wall's pulse-jet engine that made so much noise when he started it up
you could hear it in the next county.

The RAH fly-in would have built through the years instead of piddling
out. I like meeting the people we spar with here as much as anyone.
It's fun to see them face to face. I like hauling FREE rides in the
Cessna 310 or the P-210 or the RV-6 or whatever. I like supporting a
get-together for the people who post here so they can see there are
real people behind these typed-words we flush into the Internet.
Those of us here on the West coast spent a thousand bucks each year to
get there and support it, then be insulted by John and charged an
extra $5 bucks because we didn't pre-register.

But, the RAH fly-in became the PJY fly-in, then John's (Highflyer's)
fly-in and it attracted the lowest common denominator as John whined
about all the money he was losing by hosting it and went around on
Saturday night hitting everybody up for more money.

And where is it today? It looks like it's, populated by 10 people,
most of whom never built anything and who have some beginners licenses
at best and might fly a C-150 or a Tiger once a month. They know
nothing, have big mouths and tremendous opinions they broadcast to all
who read this forum.

Most are not pilots of any stature and some tried it then gave it up,
like Amp Meter. Here's a guy who built an RV-6, flew it for awhile,
then sold it. He's never flown since I've known him for the past 7
years or so. His experience and his knowledge is highly limited and
out-dated, yet he's a regular poster here. I've never seen the guy
fly anything or even tell a good flying story in the seven years I've
been posting and reading RAH. Everybody likes him because he doesn't
cause trouble. Then you have a guy like Pac who is a DC-10 captain
with gobbs of fresh experience, and what's the group do? They pick on
the guy. Gary Thomas and April were about 20% of who attended PJY
this year and Gary is not a pilot or a builder, neither is April.
Yeah, they are nice folks, but they can't contribute to anything
related to homebuilding or flying. I like Gary and April too, but my
point is they are not the data bases that Pac or O'ring or Jarvis or
Craig Wall are.

You have guys like Burnie the Butt**** who can't fly his armchair
hanging out here with his big mouth and giant opinionated posts. He's
so much of a coward, he's a chicken**** anonymous poster. Not only
that, he wouldn't know an aileron from a rudder. He was probably one
of the people you see in the photos that Jay Honeck put up, but he's
too much of a coward to stand up for what he says. So, he can hide
behind his computer screen and be brave, insulting and threatening.

Moon man Munday is another complete loser in my opinion. What the
hell can he fly? Is he current, even in a Cessna 150? I doubt it.
95% of you people here are wantabees who will never be. The people
who are something are not posting here anymore. Most are building
something and flying something. Hell, I've added on 4 ratings since I
started posting here while the Moon Men with the big mouths are
exactly where they were 7 years ago and some like Ammeter have gone
backward in his skills. Even Oysterhouse buys a little experimental
airplane, puts it in his hangar for two years and is too afraid to fly
it, so he sells it. What a builder! What a tallent!

I'm not trying to run these guys down. But the people with the
biggest mouths here are not the people who have really done much. I
certainly include Sydney in this batch too. I'm not even saying it's
good or bad although I think it's bull****. It's just the way it is.

This is who you meet at "John's" fly-in instead of the Chuck's,
Tony's, Ray Jay's, O'ring's or even Bourbon who only lives a hundred
miles away. It wasn't even worth 3 gallons of gas for Bourbon to fly
his RV-3 over there this year. He hangs out here because he's an old
man, he has the time, and he likes to **** with people. He has some
fun here, but he knows that all the flying talent left "John's" fly-in
years ago. There's nothing for him to learn over there.

So, I'm through. I wanted some of the newbees to know what the PJY
gathering is all about from a pilot who has earned 17 ratings, logged
5000 hours in airplanes and 3000 in helicopters and built many
airplanes, gliders, ultralights, gyrocopters, etc. I'm not telling
anyone not to go to PJY. But, it's not a serious fly-in, like it
could have become. It's just a picnic. Just don't expect to meet
anyone there that you can learn much from, most of them disappeared
long ago.

Just my opinion.

BWB

On Sat, 29 May 2004 17:17:11 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> What a ****ing joke all of you muther ****ers are.
>
>Wow -- I usually hang out over on .piloting and .owning -- now I know why.
>
>What the heck prompted this kind of response to pictures from a *party*???
>Can someone fill me in here?
>
>Or would I rather not know?


If you are interested, do some searches on PJY about three years ago
in June and you can read the posts.

BWB

"Badwater Bill" > wrote

Then you have a guy like Pac who is a DC-10 captain


BULL****

You know it is, too.

Why don't you put on this grand RAH flyin? You do have plenty of money to
loose, right?

My guess is, you have ****ed off too many people, for enough people to come
and make it a success.

Oh, but what do I know. I (and most every one else) am too low to lick your
boots. Yea, right.
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On Sat, 29 May 2004 17:34:51 GMT, (Badwater
Bill) wrote:

>
>>
>>Give it a rest, Bill. We all know how you feel. Why drag it around again?
>
>Because I don't think all the new people know how I feel or what has
>happened.
>
>
>Just my opinion.
>
>BWB


SHUN

> If you are interested, do some searches on PJY about three years ago
> in June and you can read the posts.

You know, Bill, we (pilots and aviation enthusiasts) are waaaaay too small
of a group to be in-fighting like this.

General aviation is under assault every day, politically, socially, and
economically. Forces beyond our control are angling to restrict and remove
little planes at every opportunity. In a generation or two, there may not
BE any G.A. in this country -- yet we can't put together a little fly-in
without bickering amongst ourselves?

You have much to offer here, and with all of your experience you shouldn't
be surprised that you have little left to learn. Hell, at your stage of the
game you should be *giving*, not getting. The rest of us should be sitting
at your feet, listening in bound rapture to your wisdom and experience-- not
getting the **** kicked out of us for wanting to have a good time.

With 5000 hours, it's unrealistic for you to expect to learn much of
anything here. But you sure could be teaching us.

Just my $.02... I wish I had made it to PJY, and personally pushed my
safety envelope in an attempt to fly there amongst the storms.

Hope to see you July 25th...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

>BULL****
>
>You know it is, too.
>
>Why don't you put on this grand RAH flyin? You do have plenty of money to
>loose, right?
>
>My guess is, you have ****ed off too many people, for enough people to come
>and make it a success.
>
>Oh, but what do I know. I (and most every one else) am too low to lick your
>boots. Yea, right.


If you had anything but **** for brains, you'd know that I bought all
the beer for that fly in for three years, I did put on a RAH fly in
here once and I hauled rides in my airplanes at all of them and never
took a dime for any of it. Then John Johnson dogs me around the ramp
and demands that I pay an extra $5 bucks for not registering early
when he's let in all his buddies for free and I bought the beer, and
bought airline tickets for a few who had no money.

Of course everyone bitched about the beer I chose because it was what
I liked, Miller Lite, but none of them bought anything.

I paid for half that fly in the first three years we had it there. And
I paid for most of the one we had here. All it got me was a bunch of
complaints, bitchers, and moochers who contributed nothing but had
plenty to say.

So, **** you asshole. You know nothing.

I wouldn't walk across the street to meet any of the mooching *******s
I met there over the years. You'll notice that even a real pilot like
Bob Urban didn't put out the effort to fly 100 miles to associate with
these losers.



BWB

On Sun, 30 May 2004 04:45:34 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> If you are interested, do some searches on PJY about three years ago
>> in June and you can read the posts.
>
>You know, Bill, we (pilots and aviation enthusiasts) are waaaaay too small
>of a group to be in-fighting like this.
>
>General aviation is under assault every day, politically, socially, and
>economically. Forces beyond our control are angling to restrict and remove
>little planes at every opportunity. In a generation or two, there may not
>BE any G.A. in this country -- yet we can't put together a little fly-in
>without bickering amongst ourselves?
>
>You have much to offer here, and with all of your experience you shouldn't
>be surprised that you have little left to learn. Hell, at your stage of the
>game you should be *giving*, not getting. The rest of us should be sitting
>at your feet, listening in bound rapture to your wisdom and experience-- not
>getting the **** kicked out of us for wanting to have a good time.
>
>With 5000 hours, it's unrealistic for you to expect to learn much of
>anything here. But you sure could be teaching us.
>
>Just my $.02... I wish I had made it to PJY, and personally pushed my
>safety envelope in an attempt to fly there amongst the storms.
>
>Hope to see you July 25th...

Thanks Jay, but your comments are invalid. All these people already
know it all. I have nothing to offer them.

BWB

> Thanks Jay, but your comments are invalid. All these people already
> know it all. I have nothing to offer them.

Maybe true for them, but there are hundreds (thousands?) of lurkers here
with far less experience than you.

Personally, I'd like to hear what it's like to fly a helicopter, or a T-28,
or how to build a Lancair. You've done (or are doing) all of these things,
and have much to share with those will listen. If you're willing, many of us
are able.

Perhaps you'd be better off over on .piloting, where you can post tales of
your exploits?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Badwater Bill" > wrote +
>
>
> If you had anything but **** for brains, you'd know that I bought all
> the beer for that fly in for three years,
***********************

Yea, yea, I've hung out here for long enough to know all that. Big deal.
Some people have more money than others. Even more stupid, is the fact you
still hold a grudge for someone using bad judgement in asking for a mere 5
bucks more.
*****************************

I did put on a RAH fly in
> here once and I hauled rides in my airplanes at all of them and never
> took a dime for any of it.
***************************

So do it again, year after year. If you can do it so much better, and can
attract a better (so you say) class of people, it will grow and catch on.
**************************

> So, **** you asshole. You know nothing.
*****************************

I know it is _so_ easy to press your buttons.
*****************************
>
> I wouldn't walk across the street to meet any of the mooching *******s
> I met there over the years.
*****************************

So have everyone pay their share. The mooches won't show up.
*****************************

You'll notice that even a real pilot like
> Bob Urban didn't put out the effort to fly 100 miles to associate with
> these losers.
>
>
>
> BWB

*****************************
One thing I don't understand. If you think this group has become such a
group of losers, why do you care if the new people know what has happened in
the past, or if the new people are warned that only losers hang here? After
all, we are not worth wasting any time for you, or any other real pilots.
Right? Hmmm

I think you just like to hear yourself bitch and moan.
--
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"Jay Honeck" wrote

> > Thanks Jay, but your comments are invalid. All these people already
> > know it all. I have nothing to offer them.

I don't know if you missed it, or chose to ignore it, but that comment was
just another cheap shot, saying we were know-it-alls.
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So who is this Bill guy the self appointed GOD of the air?
He said he wouldn't walk across the street to talk to someone like
me. Because I am just a newbie at this flying/building thing. I think
that's great. Any one that high on their self has nothing that I want
to hear anyway.

Brett Ray
www.hog-air.com

Morgans wrote on 5/30/2004 :
> "Jay Honeck" wrote
>
>>> Thanks Jay, but your comments are invalid. All these people already
>>> know it all. I have nothing to offer them.
>
> I don't know if you missed it, or chose to ignore it, but that comment was
> just another cheap shot, saying we were know-it-alls.


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Jay Honeck presented the following explanation :
>> Thanks Jay, but your comments are invalid. All these people already
>> know it all. I have nothing to offer them.
>
> Maybe true for them, but there are hundreds (thousands?) of lurkers here

> with far less experience than you.



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Badwater Bill explained :
> On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:10:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Dan Luke, pix of the infamous Pinckneyville "rec.aviation" fly-in
>> are now available on the "Rogue's Gallery"!
>
> You should have seen it when 100 people showed up with more airplanes
> than you could park on the ramp, free rides in twins and aerobatics by
> a few. Tony Pucillo and the gang playing music till the late hours of
> the night. People like Chuck Slusarsick telling tall tales into the
> wee hours of the morning.

REALITY check...
Two twins and an a performing Pitts were there during the best year.
Also, any twin BWB was in at Pville, belonged to someone else.

> Pinkneville died off as it should. Rather than becoming the big event
> that it could have. Sniveling moochers trying to make a profit,
> hangers-on, and fat bitches that never built anything but talked
> mostly about the food is who you'll find there now.
>
> Kind of sad, considering the great people who sponsored the first
> couple events, Tony Pucillo, Ray Jarvis, O'ring Seals and a few more.

REALITY check....
Since the good die young, the absence of Tony Pucillo was expected.
Chuck Sluzarczyk will likely be back when his schedule permits.
It was dumb luck that Ray Jarvis even attended one year...
considering he lives/works in the Orient and is an Australian.
As for O'ring, he deserves better than he gets.

> Ah well, ya gets what ya disserves.

> BWB

Speaking of such....
Oyster and Ammeter WERE buds that stuck with you through thick and
thin.
Ditto for "Birdbrain - Joe Handsome"? Where do you stand with them now?
Is anyone left of the old rah gang that you have not alienated?
Does NOBODY come to mind?

In the dark of night when you are all alone,
Please remember - NOBODY cares.


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I'd say Jay's point below is most valid here. Jay, from what little
I've read about this dispute it appears to be about nothing. But to a
guy in a rusty old hangar, where you park on a ramp and who should pay
for things based on good fortune it can seem like the most important
thing in the world. I wasn't there, but I've seen this kind of
twin-engine envy at little airports all across the country. A guy who
is generous flys all the way across the country just to be treated
like a cheapskate by someone less fortunate; I suspect that kind of
treatment stays with you. My guess is that this is Bill's beef. The
other aspect that I agree with Bill on is that it is inappropriate to
be repeatedly talked down to by a Grumman Tiger wheel-pant
"screw-extractor" when your background is decades of homebuilding. If
the subject was microbiology then the expected roles would rightly be
reversed. But the subject here is homebuilding, and I for one desire
to listen to Bill, not Sydney. Perhaps some degree of private
pilot/nonbuilder humility is a resonable expectation by BWB.

Just my opinion. Glad everyone had a good time at Pikneyville (sp?)

And Jay, don't push the thunderstorm alley envelope buddy! Cut those
babies a wide berth!

pacplyer



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<OFduc.24132$n_6.13113@attbi_s53>...
> > If you are interested, do some searches on PJY about three years ago
> > in June and you can read the posts.
>
> You know, Bill, we (pilots and aviation enthusiasts) are waaaaay too small
> of a group to be in-fighting like this.
>
> General aviation is under assault every day, politically, socially, and
> economically. Forces beyond our control are angling to restrict and remove
> little planes at every opportunity. In a generation or two, there may not
> BE any G.A. in this country -- yet we can't put together a little fly-in
> without bickering amongst ourselves?
>
> You have much to offer here, and with all of your experience you shouldn't
> be surprised that you have little left to learn. Hell, at your stage of the
> game you should be *giving*, not getting. The rest of us should be sitting
> at your feet, listening in bound rapture to your wisdom and experience-- not
> getting the **** kicked out of us for wanting to have a good time.
>
> With 5000 hours, it's unrealistic for you to expect to learn much of
> anything here. But you sure could be teaching us.
>
> Just my $.02... I wish I had made it to PJY, and personally pushed my
> safety envelope in an attempt to fly there amongst the storms.
>
> Hope to see you July 25th...

Shunmaster > wrote in message >...
> Jay Honeck presented the following explanation :
> > Maybe true for them, but there are hundreds (thousands?) of lurkers here
>
> > with far less experience than you.
>
>
>
> Consider SHUNNING.


Ah yes, the anonymous Snow****master right on schedule. It's
"shunning" posts like these that cause all the hard feelings around
here in the first place. At least BWB signs his posts as himself.
He's an honest broker. You on the other hand have so many identities
even you can't keep them straight.

Your attempt at crushing free speech is deplorable and very
un-american.

pacplyer - out

Shunmaster wrote:
> Morgans wrote on 5/30/2004 :
>
>> "Jay Honeck" wrote
>>
>>>> Thanks Jay, but your comments are invalid. All these people already
>>>> know it all. I have nothing to offer them.
>>
>>
>> I don't know if you missed it, or chose to ignore it, but that comment
>> was
>> just another cheap shot, saying we were know-it-alls.
>
>
>
> SHUN highly recommended.

Wheather I agree with the topic or poster or not I sure am not going to
"SHUN" because some anonymous coward says we should "SHUN". This is twice
it has been called for by an anonymous coward. And that is what you posters
that post anonymously are...."COWARDS"

"Jerry Springer" > wrote
>
> Wheather I agree with the topic or poster or not I sure am not going to
> "SHUN" because some anonymous coward says we should "SHUN". This is twice
> it has been called for by an anonymous coward. And that is what you
posters
> that post anonymously are...."COWARDS"

Agreed. I would be willing to bet the shunmaster has not been around for
the "good, bad and ugly" of BWB.

If I don't agree with Bill or his puppets, I shure ain't gonna hide from
him. I'm gunna try not to let it become personal, too, and argue on the
merits.

But that's just me.

As always, (at least for the past 4 or 5 years) I am proudly,
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pacplyer wrote on 5/31/2004 :
> Shunmaster > wrote in message
> >...
>> Jay Honeck presented the following explanation :
>>> Maybe true for them, but there are hundreds (thousands?) of lurkers here
>>> with far less experience than you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Consider SHUNNING.
>
>
> Ah yes, the anonymous Snow****master right on schedule. It's
> "shunning" posts like these that cause all the hard feelings around
> here in the first place. At least BWB signs his posts as himself.
> He's an honest broker. You on the other hand have so many identities
> even you can't keep them straight.
>
> Your attempt at crushing free speech is deplorable and very
> un-american.
>
> pacplyer - out


Pac,

What a crock!!!!
Please, get your thinking cap on straight.

First off, *YOU* are as ANONYMOUS as they come and could not only be
called a coward for it, but a stunning hypocrite as well.

Secondly... shunning is not a method to crush free speech.
Exactly the opposite is true when coupled with anonymity.

Hypothetically....
Let us say that you got under someone's skin here typing out undeniable
TRUTHS using your real name. Let's also say it offends particular
person(s) sufficiently that it causes them sufficient heartburn to
bring legal action against you for your FREE SPEECH that is known to be
true and correct. Let us further state that they even openly admit the
only reason they are hauling you into court is an attempt to spend you
into the poor house. What would you REALLY do to defend your FREE
SPEECH? We already have your answer, hypocrite. You are here
anonymously, because you are too cowardly to spend a small portion of
your well heeled airline pilot income to take on Internet bullies that
could threaten your right to LEGITIMATE AND TRUE FREE SPEECH!

Bullies are deplorable and unamerican, not me.
From a point of simple and logical economics...
Bullies deserve to be shunned/ignored, don't you think?

P.S.
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Badwater Bill wrote:
Gary Thomas and April were about 20% of who attended PJY
> this year and Gary is not a pilot or a builder, neither is April.
> Yeah, they are nice folks, but they can't contribute to anything
> related to homebuilding or flying. I like Gary and April too, but my
> point is they are not the data bases that Pac or O'ring or Jarvis or
> Craig Wall are.
>

>
> Just my opinion.
>
> BWB

Hell Bill,

I don't know if you've noticed but when all the experts and high timers
are telling stories and giving expert advice the only ones that are
really listening are us low time-no
time-wannabe-neverbe-hasbeen-neverbeens.

Most of the folks that need to shine need an audience and the best
audience is the one that thirsts for the knowledge they have to impart
not the one that is thinking about what it wants to say when you shutup
so he/she can top what you just said.

As for drilling a straight hole and setting a rivet I'll take you on any
time any place. I'll have you know that I have set many a rivet
repairing an old aluminum john boat that I used to carry my old
compressor out to the Los Angeles breakwater where I was installing
sensors on the sea floor to measure the permeability of the breakwater
to ocean wave energy. As for composites I think that I can top you. I
have hands on experience designing and building boats using high tech
composites including vacuum bagging, etc. What I'm trying to say is
that I make my living designing and building things. Things that are
alot more complex than an aircraft kit. I don't jump in with helpful
hints in areas where I feel that I can contribute because I don't have
any aircraft building experience and people just like you will feel that
I haven't paid my dues where it counts and they may be right.

I'd love to build and airplane. I'd rather build than fly, truth be
known. I am offering my services to anyone in the Boston area that
might like a willing helper. I don't do epoxy anymore (too allergic)
but machining, welding, hammering, sawing, sanding, fairing, painting
etc., are all within my abilities. If interested you can reach me at
this address.

Just my opinion

Gary Thomas

"Gary Thomas" > wrote in message
<snip snip>

> composites including vacuum bagging, etc. What I'm trying to say is
> that I make my living designing and building things. Things that are
> alot more complex than an aircraft kit. I don't jump in with helpful
> hints in areas where I feel that I can contribute because I don't have
> any aircraft building experience and people just like you will feel that
> I haven't paid my dues where it counts and they may be right.

You ought to jump in when you have something to contribute. Your experience
and attitude makes you sound like a pretty all-round smart guy.

The worst case is some particular idea may be way different in boatbuilding
than airplane building, which should come out in meaningful discussion...
Oh well, it's not like you are trying to portray yourself as an airplane
expert.

The best possible case is a fresh (to airplane building) idea.

Most likely, something in between, and somebody will read it and think,
"Hey, I hadn't thought of that."

A lot of the best tricks on fixing cars, for example, are the ones that make
long menial tasks (things like stuck bolts) easy. You can't learn stuff
like that from a textbook, you either waste all kinds of time figuring it
out yourself, or, my point- somebody can teach you.


My .02

I really can't believe you have a college education "Nobodybird."
Your deductive reasoning is so poor I think you should try to go get
your money back. The real truth is as follows: You are completely
anonymous. I am known to BWB and other posters and colleagues.

But as usual, you misunderstand what's being said. Being anonymous is
not un-American. Ben Franklin used to do it all the time; e.g. "Ms.
Silence Dogood." But Ben used anonymity in a positive way to try to
persuade his town mates into a different line of thinking. You on the
other hand, do it for spite. You constantly change your alias and do
it to suppress the free speech of a single individual whom you
dislike. Your objective is to run him off, allowing your lower
intellect to ascend RAH newsgroup. Your underhanded tactics,
Nobodybird, are despicable. Bill Being a verbal Bully is not enough
justification to run him off. He doesn't physically attack you in the
real world. He doesn't spew forth inexperienced opinions which are
wrong and could get somebody killed. What this really boils down to
is that you don't have enough character to take a little criticism.
It would follow that since you cannot learn from experienced pilots;
you are a poor pilot as well.

You should take your own advice and ignore his posts. But don't try
to convince Jay or anyone else not to respond to open BWB posts
because that's an attempt to stifle free speech. That makes you the
real internet bully here. I guess it's just too threatening for you
to realize that Bill does have friends. Despite Badwater Bill's
shortcomings (and he's got em') he's ten times the American you are.
I get along with him fine. Try using honey instead of vinegar all the
time.

These are just my opinions only.

pacplyer - out




wrote in message >...
> pacplyer wrote on 5/31/2004 :
> > Shunmaster > wrote in message
> > >...
> >> Jay Honeck presented the following explanation :
> >>> Maybe true for them, but there are hundreds (thousands?) of lurkers here
> >>> with far less experience than you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Consider SHUNNING.
> >
> >
> > Ah yes, the anonymous Snow****master right on schedule. It's
> > "shunning" posts like these that cause all the hard feelings around
> > here in the first place. At least BWB signs his posts as himself.
> > He's an honest broker. You on the other hand have so many identities
> > even you can't keep them straight.
> >
> > Your attempt at crushing free speech is deplorable and very
> > un-american.
> >
> > pacplyer - out
>
>
> Pac,
>
> What a crock!!!!
> Please, get your thinking cap on straight.
>
> First off, *YOU* are as ANONYMOUS as they come and could not only be
> called a coward for it, but a stunning hypocrite as well.
>
> Secondly... shunning is not a method to crush free speech.
> Exactly the opposite is true when coupled with anonymity.
>
> Hypothetically....
> Let us say that you got under someone's skin here typing out undeniable
> TRUTHS using your real name. Let's also say it offends particular
> person(s) sufficiently that it causes them sufficient heartburn to
> bring legal action against you for your FREE SPEECH that is known to be
> true and correct. Let us further state that they even openly admit the
> only reason they are hauling you into court is an attempt to spend you
> into the poor house. What would you REALLY do to defend your FREE
> SPEECH? We already have your answer, hypocrite. You are here
> anonymously, because you are too cowardly to spend a small portion of
> your well heeled airline pilot income to take on Internet bullies that
> could threaten your right to LEGITIMATE AND TRUE FREE SPEECH!
>
> Bullies are deplorable and unamerican, not me.
> From a point of simple and logical economics...
> Bullies deserve to be shunned/ignored, don't you think?
>
> P.S.
> Honesty, like beauty, is sometimes in the eye of the beholder.

In > pacplyer wrote:

> You should take your own advice and ignore his posts. But don't try
> to convince Jay or anyone else not to respond to open BWB posts
> because that's an attempt to stifle free speech. That makes you the
> real internet bully here. I guess it's just too threatening for you
> to realize that Bill does have friends.

Pac, you appear to be his last remaining friend on this forum and it is
only a matter of time before he alienates you, too. And I didn't see
any attempt at stifling free speech. All I saw was the opinion, which I
happen to agree with, that if you are going to be critical of people
posting anonymously, then you should have the balls to post your own
real name publicly. I don't care if Badwater Bill or who else knows
your true identity, nor do I care so much who you really are. But if
you insist on being a hypocrite, you should expect to be called one.
You probably have legitimate reasons for keeping your identity to
yourself and most on this newsgroup are okay with that, but don't expect
to be taken as seriously as somebody who hangs their name and
credentials out for everybody to see.

> Despite Badwater Bill's
> shortcomings (and he's got em') he's ten times the American you are.
> I get along with him fine. Try using honey instead of vinegar all the
> time.

One is known by the company he keeps.

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In > Morgans wrote:

> If I don't agree with Bill or his puppets, I shure ain't gonna hide
> from him. I'm gunna try not to let it become personal, too, and argue
> on the merits.

The only problem with that approach, is that this entire dispute is
personal down to the core. There are no merits, and nothing to be
gained from it.

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(Badwater Bill) wrote
> >Wow! It takes a mighty small man to care enough to make such a big
> >noise.
>
> You ought to know Moon Man. Only the **** ant Cessna 150 drivers like
> you are the depth that attends the PJY "attempted" fly-in nowadays.
>
> What do we see on the ramp...ahh, a Cessna 172, you might be able to
> fly that, but certainly not the Stinson or the Twin Commanche. What a
> massive fly in...what a massive attendance.

Well, I'm the guy who flew that Twin Comanche in - because my
homebuilt glider wasn't up to the trip. And you know - from where I'm
sitting, I think the Moon Man has a point. You gonna make fun of me
now?

Michael

"Del Rawlins" > wrote in message
...
> In > Morgans wrote:
>
> > If I don't agree with Bill or his puppets, I shure ain't gonna hide
> > from him. I'm gunna try not to let it become personal, too, and argue
> > on the merits.
>
> The only problem with that approach, is that this entire dispute is
> personal down to the core. There are no merits, and nothing to be
> gained from it.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins-

You are right, it has become personal, when names are called. I am done
with it, but you may notice I _did_ refrain from the name calling.

A pity anyone feels they have to enter this realm, and tear it down. Nothing
is gained.
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In > Morgans wrote:

> A pity anyone feels they have to enter this realm, and tear it down.
> Nothing is gained.

Particularly when they could just as easily build it up, if they chose
to do so.

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on 6/1/2004, pacplyer supposed :
> I really can't believe you have a college education "Nobodybird."
>The real truth is as follows: You are completely
> anonymous.

You say I am completely anonymous,
yet you know I have a college education.
Are you psychic, just sick or just an off the wall flake?

> But as usual, you misunderstand what's being said.

As usual?
I've only been known here for 4 or 5 posts.
I have no USUAL anything, just yet.

> Being anonymous is not un-American.

Thank you for repeaing MY position.

> You should take your own advice and ignore his posts.

If you will be a little more attentive, you should notice
I have not referenced or replied to any BWB posts.......
i.e. I do ignore/shun him.

> But don't try
> to convince Jay or anyone else not to respond to open BWB posts
> because that's an attempt to stifle free speech.

The single word SHUN should convey but one clearcut objective.
You choose to SPIN it into a major biased ****storm in BWB's
behalf, if you ask me.

> That makes you the
> real internet bully here.

A bully is a person who is habitually cruel or overbearing,
especially to smaller or weaker people. I'm not habitually
anything since I've just made myself known and as you say..
am COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS.

> I guess it's just too threatening for you
> to realize that Bill does have friends.

IMO, Bill just lost his last friend, John Ammeter.
You are not his friend. IMO, you are an acquaintence.

>Despite Badwater Bill's
> shortcomings (and he's got em') he's ten times the American you are.

Again, I am COMPLETELY UNKNOWN to you.
You continue to make a buffoon of yourself, IMO.

> I get along with him fine. Try using honey instead of vinegar all the
> time.

Please, give this loony tune a rest.
I'm new here.
I've yet to establish any parameters or character base
since as you say.... I am COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS.

> These are just my opinions only.
>
> pacplyer - out

Opinions?

We agree at last.
They sure ain't FACTS.



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Del Rawlins > wrote
> Pac, you appear to be his last remaining friend on this forum and it is
> only a matter of time before he alienates you, too. And I didn't see
> any attempt at stifling free speech.

So you don't think that if I repeatedly asked people to "Shun" you,
that that is not a sad attempt to silence you?

Del, I'm just am chafing from this constant which hunt by what appear
to me to be low qualification people. Without a moderator, It's up to
all of us to determine the most important characteristics of expert
posters on this NG. I submit that building experience, ratings,
relevant education and writing ability are far more important than who
showed up at somebody's hangar or who kisses the most butt of the
regulars on a weekly basis or who uses the best table manners in an
attempt to become popular. Remember: when in doubt: defer to
substance and experience; not to superficial appearances. This is not
to say that anyone can't participate (even Bernie the Butt****, who
nobody likes.) It's just that I think it's wrong to let "Nobodybird"
and her liberated males sabotage the NG to satisfy her personal
vendettas.

Here's the proof:
"Nobody" above answered my attack on "Shunmaster" as if were a direct
attack on her:

"Bullies are deplorable and unamerican, not me."

I never accused the "Nobody" character of being unamerican. I made
that charge against "Shunmaster."
"Nobody" *is* "Shunmaster," who is Snowbird. You're not so invisible
after all. But this is what happens when you use multiple identities.
Sooner or later you get mixed up. Pathetic behavior! I feel you owe
me an apology for this sad dishonest subterfuge as well as BWB.

If I'm reading you correctly, I'll never get that apology. This is
why I have no respect for you Snowbird when you play these kind of
dishonest head games with people. I think you drove BWB crazy with
this kind of mean-spirited posting.

Anyway these are all just my opinions only,

pacplyer - out

haven't paid my dues where it counts and they may be right.
>
>You ought to jump in when you have something to contribute. Your experience
>and attitude makes you sound like a pretty all-round smart guy.
>
>The worst case is some particular idea may be way different in boatbuilding
>than airplane building, which should come out in meaningful discussion...
>Oh well, it's not like you are trying to portray yourself as an airplane
>expert.
>
>The best possible case is a fresh (to airplane building) idea.
>
>Most likely, something in between, and somebody will read it and think,
>"Hey, I hadn't thought of that."
>
>A lot of the best tricks on fixing cars, for example, are the ones that make
>long menial tasks (things like stuck bolts) easy. You can't learn stuff
>like that from a textbook, you either waste all kinds of time figuring it
>out yourself, or, my point- somebody can teach you.
>
>
>My .02


I agree Gary. I have no issue with you at all amigo. You of all the
people who attended PJY this year would have been the dude I would
have liked to spend my time trying to learn something from. And... I
just love April. How could anyone be as nice as her?

Nope, you are not the type that I'm aiming at. You have a ton of
knowledge and experience, although, you've never built anything that
flies, you have kicked ass on the rest of the stuff you build. In
fact I take my hat off to you for what you've done...and I know a lot
of what you've done because we've talked about it here in Vegas.

Besides, you are a physicist. How in the hell could I not like a
brother.

BWB

>Well, I'm the guy who flew that Twin Comanche in - because my
>homebuilt glider wasn't up to the trip. And you know - from where I'm
>sitting, I think the Moon Man has a point. You gonna make fun of me
>now?
>
>Michael

Well, what's the ****in' point? Moon Man is dog **** as a pilot. You
wanna lend your twin Commanche to him so he can show us all how he can
fly it? I think you might be stupid if you did.

Better let your insurance man know before hand.

So, what's your point? I don't follow? I've owned three twin
Commanches in my life. Big deal. A twin Commanche is a slug on the
way to nowhere nowadays, but I'll bet you a grand that Moon Man
couldn't even start the engines if you put his lard ass in the
cockpit.

In fact I'll bet that 95% of the idiots who read your bull **** here
couldn't start the ****ing engines if their lives depended upon it.

BWB

>
> Wheather I agree with the topic or poster or not I sure am not going to
>"SHUN" because some anonymous coward says we should "SHUN". This is twice
>it has been called for by an anonymous coward. And that is what you posters
>that post anonymously are...."COWARDS"


Yep. It's Sydney by my evaluation of the headers. Good Call Jerry.

BWB

>
>The only problem with that approach, is that this entire dispute is
>personal down to the core. There are no merits, and nothing to be
>gained from it.
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>Del Rawlins-

Then why don't you get the **** off the thread Del? You gotta put in
your ****ing 2 cents worth. As far as I'm concerned, you are just
nothing but another illiterate, unexperienced fraud, trying to gleen
some gratification by seeing your words in print.

BWB

>
>You are right, it has become personal, when names are called. I am done
>with it, but you may notice I _did_ refrain from the name calling.
>
>A pity anyone feels they have to enter this realm, and tear it down. Nothing
>is gained.


Good. You don't have a ****in' clue.

Bye!

BWB

On 2 Jun 2004 01:07:37 GMT, Del Rawlins
> wrote:

>In > Morgans wrote:
>
>> A pity anyone feels they have to enter this realm, and tear it down.
>> Nothing is gained.
>
>Particularly when they could just as easily build it up, if they chose
>to do so.
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>Del Rawlins-

Ah yes, here are the pinnacles of wisdom, the pontificators of fact,
the creators of the "Mood" of RAH.

Give me a break. You make me want to go take a ****.

BWB

>Hypothetically....
>Let us say that you got under someone's skin here typing out undeniable
>TRUTHS using your real name. Let's also say it offends particular
>person(s) sufficiently that it causes them sufficient heartburn to
>bring legal action against you for your FREE SPEECH that is known to be
>true and correct. Let us further state that they even openly admit the
>only reason they are hauling you into court is an attempt to spend you
>into the poor house. What would you REALLY do to defend your FREE
>SPEECH? We already have your answer, hypocrite. You are here
>anonymously, because you are too cowardly to spend a small portion of
>your well heeled airline pilot income to take on Internet bullies that
>could threaten your right to LEGITIMATE AND TRUE FREE SPEECH!
>
>Bullies are deplorable and unamerican, not me.
>From a point of simple and logical economics...
>Bullies deserve to be shunned/ignored, don't you think?
>
>P.S.
>Honesty, like beauty, is sometimes in the eye of the beholder.


Yep. You call it Honesty, when you bash and insult and call things as
facts that are not correct?. Like calling someone psychotic in a
public forum, when they post under their real name? This is not in
the spirit of what America is all about old man. You don't have the
freedom to trash someone just because you don't like them. You don't
have the right to post [in public] your illiterate diagnosis of their
mental capability or capacity. That's not freedom of speech, that's
libel [slander if spoken]. I don't like this post from you and I know
who you are. You have my attorney's name, why don't you email him
with your complaint. I told you long ago that I was represented by
counsel. If you have a complaint, then forward it to my lawyer on
this matter.

Well, on second thought, don't bother Bob. I'm about to take the BAR
here in Nevada myself. I'll bring you to justice all on my own if you
continue to **** me off. I told you I have three years [statute of
limitations] from your libelous-insulting posts and your accusations.
What are you doing here, ****ing with me? Do you know how easy it is
to find out and trace the entire path of this post? Jesus, Bob, go to
tea-time you old ****er and let it be.

Don't make me mad to the point where I make an example out of you just
to show this ****-ball group that I can.

I've told you this in the past and I'm telling you this again.
Disappear or it will cost you.

Do you hear that loud and clear you muther ****er?

Everytime I come in here you have to insult me or **** with me. Just
go fly your airplane and understand that you ****ed up. You will
never win this one, you rotten old asshole. Just give up, or I'll
make you my full time hobby.

And, you know what Bob? I really don't want to do that. I actually
like some things about you. So, as Rambo said in that movie Rambo-1,
"Just let it be" cocksucker. "Just let it be."

BWB

Don't even respond to the cowardly anonymous assholes of the world
Pac. I didn't lose "My last friend."

****, Ammeter and I have been buds for way too long to ever let some
little ****ing post on this chicken **** ng to EVER come between us.

All friends disagree and all friends argue. Ant Eater and I are no
different...neither is that ****ing asshole Oysterhouse, although I
might kick his fat, bloated, gelatinous ass when I see him next (which
will be at my home in Utah this summer).

I love em both and they know it. Nobody here knows what goes on
behind the scenes. **** the RAHian's who try to infer what the
greates like Oyster, Amp Meter and Phillips are really doing.
BBBBWWAAHHHAHHAHA, Just sit and wonder, you borring muther ****ers.

It's all a con Pac. The ng is one thing, what happens in private is
usually just a big laugh about what all the ****ing morons here
consider reality.

Now, let's see who we can pick on.

BWB

On 31 May 2004 10:55:43 -0700, (pacplyer) wrote:

>I'd say Jay's point below is most valid here. Jay, from what little
>I've read about this dispute it appears to be about nothing. But to a
>guy in a rusty old hangar, where you park on a ramp and who should pay
>for things based on good fortune it can seem like the most important
>thing in the world. I wasn't there, but I've seen this kind of
>twin-engine envy at little airports all across the country. A guy who
>is generous flys all the way across the country just to be treated
>like a cheapskate by someone less fortunate; I suspect that kind of
>treatment stays with you. My guess is that this is Bill's beef. The
>other aspect that I agree with Bill on is that it is inappropriate to
>be repeatedly talked down to by a Grumman Tiger wheel-pant
>"screw-extractor" when your background is decades of homebuilding. If
>the subject was microbiology then the expected roles would rightly be
>reversed. But the subject here is homebuilding, and I for one desire
>to listen to Bill, not Sydney. Perhaps some degree of private
>pilot/nonbuilder humility is a resonable expectation by BWB.
>
>Just my opinion. Glad everyone had a good time at Pikneyville (sp?)
>
>And Jay, don't push the thunderstorm alley envelope buddy! Cut those
>babies a wide berth!
>
>pacplyer

Yeah, you got it Pac. You see through the **** because you have the
time. These folks will never get half of the meaning you had in the
above post. I know you took a lot of time to think it out and you hit
it dead center buddy. You just won't make a dent in the general
dumbing down of the RAH group. Over the years, it's the worst now,
than I've ever seen it. Almost none of the regulars who have built
anything even read this group anymore as lurkers. They've all given
up long ago as the Sydneys' , and the John Johnsons' of the world take
command, plan the picnics, insult the old timers with the real
experience and mooch whatever they can in the whole process in the way
of money, beer or support for the even, like hauling free rides in
high performance aircraft.

Hell, some ****ing asshole above said, "Phillips didn't even own the
310." What the hell does that have to do with it? I supported the
party by flying FREE rides and I bought the gas (and the beer for the
party). You see what the mentality is Pac. The free rides and the
fun is all negated because I didn't have title the airplane in
"Morgan's" view.

Well, Jim from NC. Why don't you send me a check for the gas, then
I'll understand that you understand what I'm ****ed off about, you
cocksucker.

Have fun trying to find anything meaningful here Pac. My hat goes off
to you for trying. This ****ing group of moronic idiots is more fun
to read that watching six monkeys try to **** a football.

BWB

On 1 Jun 2004 23:20:06 -0700, wrote:

>
>1) Claims to have thousands of hours in aircraft when it's physically impossible
>
>Check

Don't got no licenses, check the databases, you anonymous coward
(student pilot shoots off mouth).

>
>2) Claims to own expensive aircraft that belong to someone else
>
>Check

Don't own nuttin' No mo. I bee too poo to own spensive airplanes.

>
>3) Claims to be a highly trained professional, though he's not
>
>Check
>

Nope, just capable of passin my BFR. I"m so sad, I worry about
myself.

>4) Threatens to sue people for saying obvious things about him
>
>Check

Done that a few times. You are next if I can find you.

>
>5) Believes that he is the only important person in the world
>
>Check

I might be the ONLY person IN the world...at least I think I should
be.

>
>6) Has a set of sock puppet identities to support him
>
>It's official. He's become Zoom.

Yep. You got it. I'm Zoom. Your worst ****ing nightmare, and I'm on
your ass bigtime. Everytime you post I get closer. Just keep
shooting off our annonymous, illiterate mouth, muther ****er. When I
finally get you it will cost you. You will become "Yellow" snow.

BBWWAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAA

BWB

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:29:00 GMT, (Badwater
Bill) wrote:
>All friends disagree and all friends argue. Ant Eater and I are no
>different...neither is that ****ing asshole Oysterhouse, although I
>might kick his fat, bloated, gelatinous ass when I see him next (which
>will be at my home in Utah this summer).

I'll see Bill next when Las Vegas freezes over!

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(Badwater Bill) wrote
> >Well, I'm the guy who flew that Twin Comanche in - because my
> >homebuilt glider wasn't up to the trip. And you know - from where I'm
> >sitting, I think the Moon Man has a point. You gonna make fun of me
> >now?
>
> Well, what's the ****in' point?

That it takes a mighty small man to make such a big noise over some
pictures of a party.

> A twin Commanche is a slug on the way to nowhere nowadays

See, nothing is ever good enough for you. Now you feel the need to
put down my airplane too. OK, fine, it's a slug. I bet if someone
showed up in a jet, you would find a way to put that down too.

> In fact I'll bet that 95% of the idiots who read your bull **** here
> couldn't start the ****ing engines if their lives depended upon it.

You must have owned Twin Comanches with poorly adjusted fuel servos.
Too bad. It's not that hard to adjust them properly. Mine start
easily.

Certainly the Cessna pilot who wanted a ride didn't have any problem
starting my engines. Took all of 30 seconds to explain how. Way less
time than it took you to try and belittle everyone here. BTW, with
just a little coaching he did pretty good flying it, too. I even let
him land it.

Enjoy your vitriol, but remember that Pinkneyville is a party. No
more, no less. It's not Oshkosh, and it's not supposed to be. For me
it's a chance to see people I know through the 'net but don't
otherwise meet. It was a good weekend.

I hung out with some old friends, told a few tall tales and listened
to a few more, drank a few beers, helped a fellow with a cold jug on
his engine get it running again, flew a twin I hadn't flown before,
watched an impromptu airshow, and generally had a good time. BTW -
what did YOU do that weekend?

Michael

It's Doctor a-OK again! ) and his super-sneaky disappearing
ink!

You do have a sense of humor after all. Glad to see you made it back
from the Littrow Tarus region! What happened? Your high gain antenna
fall off cause you forgot to use good AN locknuts? And let me
guess: you're also having trouble with the new patent that beams
your neurons up to the vehicle so you can update your patent number
file on the LEM landing stage. What a waste of 8k storage!

But what about your Martian Hardware? You know the stuff you said
that works. Boy, those new rovers are making your stuff look pretty
crappy. Maybe they can roam over and rescue some of the pieces for
you. I bet your twin brother worked on the Beagle Two. Loss of basic
signal seems to run in your family.

1) HARDWARE? (Claims to have secret space hardware on the Moon and
Mars)

GO!

2) PROGRAMMING? (Claims to have been involved in both programs even
though they're too many years apart)

GO!

3) ELECTRICAL? (Doesn't know what key transistors are used in his own
com equip)

GO!


4) CAPCOM? (Can't tell who he's talking to online, flys into
uncontrollable fits of rage)

GO!


5) RETRO? (Despises anyone around him who discovers he's an idiot)

GO!


6) FIRE CONTROL? (Tries to kill off anyone who scuttles his plans for
worldwide usenet domination)

GO!

7) GUIDANCE? (Never had any as a small child; the reason he became a
mad scientist)

GO!

8) PAYLOAD? (18 lbs of Sporty's Pilot Shop trinkets in his pockets)

GO!



All systems are Go! We have lift off! Lift off of Dr. Evil
) and his penis shaped spacecraft!

In > pacplyer wrote:

> So you don't think that if I repeatedly asked people to "Shun" you,
> that that is not a sad attempt to silence you?

If that is an attempt to silence me, then "sad" is a pretty good
description because you can't make me stop posting.

> Del, I'm just am chafing from this constant which hunt by what appear
> to me to be low qualification people. Without a moderator, It's up to
> all of us to determine the most important characteristics of expert
> posters on this NG. I submit that building experience, ratings,
> relevant education and writing ability are far more important than who
> showed up at somebody's hangar or who kisses the most butt of the
> regulars on a weekly basis or who uses the best table manners in an
> attempt to become popular.

Pac, all of those things are important here but I still have to object
to the attitude that the rest of us aren't worthy of posting because we
don't have the hours, are working on our first airplane project, or some
other reason why we should lick the boots of the few high time ATPs who
post here. I don't have a lot of flight experience and I know it. I
challenge you to go back through the archives and find even one instance
in which I try to hand out flying advice. When I post about building, I
post about things which I have DONE or otherwise have a good knowledge
of. That means that I usually don't post much other than in off topic
threads like this one.

> Remember: when in doubt: defer to
> substance and experience; not to superficial appearances. This is not
> to say that anyone can't participate (even Bernie the Butt****, who
> nobody likes.) It's just that I think it's wrong to let "Nobodybird"
> and her liberated males sabotage the NG to satisfy her personal
> vendettas.

I guess that is part of my point. As much as I dislike Bernie and his
ilk, I don't consider you to be a whole lot different other than you
support BWB rather than oppose him. When I defer to substance and
experience, it has to be verifiable and if the person with the
experience isn't willing to hang his reputation (i.e. his identity) off
his posts, then I will discount that experience an appropriate amount.

> Here's the proof:
> "Nobody" above answered my attack on "Shunmaster" as if were a direct
> attack on her:
>
> "Bullies are deplorable and unamerican, not me."
>
> I never accused the "Nobody" character of being unamerican. I made
> that charge against "Shunmaster."
> "Nobody" *is* "Shunmaster," who is Snowbird. You're not so invisible
> after all. But this is what happens when you use multiple identities.
> Sooner or later you get mixed up. Pathetic behavior! I feel you owe
> me an apology for this sad dishonest subterfuge as well as BWB.

Well, there are still a few people here who think that you are just
BWB's sock puppet. You answered an attack on him as though it were an
attack on you, after all. I don't believe that, but you should see that
it cuts both ways. My own impression of Snowbird is that she would just
like to be left alone.

> If I'm reading you correctly, I'll never get that apology. This is
> why I have no respect for you Snowbird when you play these kind of
> dishonest head games with people. I think you drove BWB crazy with
> this kind of mean-spirited posting.

You need to go back to the beginning and actually read what was said for
yourself, to see where the mean spirited posting was coming from.

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(Badwater Bill) wrote
>
> Have fun trying to find anything meaningful here Pac. My hat goes off
> to you for trying. This ****ing group of moronic idiots is more fun
> to read that watching six monkeys try to **** a football.
>
> BWB

Yep, it's really bizarre behavior. Multiple personalities just like
the movie Phycho. Do you think they talk to themselves when they're
alone?

"Hey Mama Shunmaster, you want me to hand you that wrench over there?
Why thank you Nobody Bates that's just the wrench I was going to ask
for; How did you know? Oh, Shunmaster I've got years of designing
homebuilt aircraft; some of them have even been in Lunar and Martian
orbit! My, but your such an incredible designer Nobody, I wish I had
just one of your many talents...."

Yick! Don't want to meet them!

In > Badwater Bill wrote:
> On 2 Jun 2004 01:07:37 GMT, Del Rawlins
> > wrote:
>
>>In > Morgans wrote:
>>
>>> A pity anyone feels they have to enter this realm, and tear it down.
>>> Nothing is gained.
>>
>>Particularly when they could just as easily build it up, if they chose
>>to do so.
>
> Ah yes, here are the pinnacles of wisdom, the pontificators of fact,
> the creators of the "Mood" of RAH.
>
> Give me a break. You make me want to go take a ****.

We've all seen you jump down people's throats for daring to try and "get
inside a man's soul" and understand the reasons behind their actions,
but I guess that it is okay for you to do the same thing. I'm not a
pinnacle of anything and never created anything that wasn't done with
tools. I'm just tired of all the bull**** and too dumb to ignore it.

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In > Badwater Bill wrote:
>
>>
>>The only problem with that approach, is that this entire dispute is
>>personal down to the core. There are no merits, and nothing to be
>>gained from it.
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>Del Rawlins-
>
> Then why don't you get the **** off the thread Del? You gotta put in
> your ****ing 2 cents worth. As far as I'm concerned, you are just
> nothing but another illiterate, unexperienced fraud, trying to gleen
> some gratification by seeing your words in print.

So the difference between you and me, is what? You've got some flight
time and ratings.

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(Badwater Bill) wrote in message >...
> Don't even respond to the cowardly anonymous assholes of the world
> Pac. I didn't lose "My last friend."
>
> ****, Ammeter and I have been buds for way too long to ever let some
> little ****ing post on this chicken **** ng to EVER come between us.
>
> All friends disagree and all friends argue. Ant Eater and I are no
> different...neither is that ****ing asshole Oysterhouse, although I
> might kick his fat, bloated, gelatinous ass when I see him next (which
> will be at my home in Utah this summer).
>
> I love em both and they know it. Nobody here knows what goes on
> behind the scenes. **** the RAHian's who try to infer what the
> greates like Oyster, Amp Meter and Phillips are really doing.
> BBBBWWAAHHHAHHAHA, Just sit and wonder, you borring muther ****ers.
>
> It's all a con Pac. The ng is one thing, what happens in private is
> usually just a big laugh about what all the ****ing morons here
> consider reality.
>
> Now, let's see who we can pick on.
>
> BWB


Well it good to have you back Bill. This place was so static I was bored to tears.

pac

>Enjoy your vitriol, but remember that Pinkneyville is a party. No
>more, no less. It's not Oshkosh, and it's not supposed to be. For me
>it's a chance to see people I know through the 'net but don't
>otherwise meet. It was a good weekend.


Now ain't that sensitive! Ain't that tender!

>I hung out with some old friends, told a few tall tales and listened
>to a few more, drank a few beers, helped a fellow with a cold jug on
>his engine get it running again, flew a twin I hadn't flown before,
>watched an impromptu airshow, and generally had a good time. BTW -
>what did YOU do that weekend?

You wouldn't believe me if I told you. You'd come back with another
of the endless follow ups you morons concoct to make yourselves feel
you have superior skills. Would you believe that I was with Jim
Campbell at Mohave just as Burt Rutan's boys were about to make a 55
second burn and attained 212,000 feet msl at apogee in their space
ship?

Nah, you'd never believe that. In fact you probably don't even know
about the project. You spend too much time reading your own posts
here to know about what's important in the rest of the aviation world.

That twin Comanche is slow, it has dangerous flat spin characteristics
with one engine out, and no useful load. If you weigh a couple
hundred pounds and you fill it with fuel, you'll only get two more
medium sized people in it without busting gross.

But, my point was not to run down your airplane. My point was to run
down the people. I actually think twin Comanches are fun to fly, even
though they burn 15 gallons per hour and only go 160 mph. A
Cessna-210 has the same burn but does 200 mph, plus carries 1000
pounds of people when it's full of fuel.

But most of the people who read this group wouldn't know that, or
know the differences. Just like they don't know the differences
between what we all once envisioned the RAH fly-in to become. But, as
you said, it's just a party now. You can thank people like Sydney and
Moon Man for that. All the real deep talent quit attending long ago.
It is now what you people want it to be, the lowest common
denominator, not a fly-in of any substantial depth, just John
Johnson's annual picnic. A place where he can run around bitching
about how he's losing his ass and needs more money because he ****ed
off the guy who subsidized "His Party" long ago.

Just a picnic anymore where you can go and meet Sydney, Ha Ha. Gee,
I guess that's what I missed to go to Mohave that weekend.

Just a party! Yep. I have to give you credit for that remark. You
couldn't have said it better.

BWB




>
>Michael

>I'll see Bill next when Las Vegas freezes over!
>
>- J.O.-


Oh, now John, you are so cute when you are mad.

BBWWAHHAHHAHHAAAAA

On 2 Jun 2004 10:31:46 -0700, (pacplyer) wrote:

(Badwater Bill) wrote
>>
>> Have fun trying to find anything meaningful here Pac. My hat goes off
>> to you for trying. This ****ing group of moronic idiots is more fun
>> to read that watching six monkeys try to **** a football.
>>
>> BWB
>
>Yep, it's really bizarre behavior. Multiple personalities just like
>the movie Phycho. Do you think they talk to themselves when they're
>alone?
>
>"Hey Mama Shunmaster, you want me to hand you that wrench over there?
>Why thank you Nobody Bates that's just the wrench I was going to ask
>for; How did you know? Oh, Shunmaster I've got years of designing
>homebuilt aircraft; some of them have even been in Lunar and Martian
>orbit! My, but your such an incredible designer Nobody, I wish I had
>just one of your many talents...."
>
>Yick! Don't want to meet them!


Yep. Really makes you wanna burn the fuel round trip so you can sit
in that greasy hangar at PJY and meet these pillars of experience and
wisdom. You can sit and look at project after project that has been
collected as junk years ago and looks the same as it did the first
year we all went there. I'm surprised there's even any room in that
hangar anymore to put up a table to put the picnic stuff on.

I don't know all the folks who went this year (all 9 or 10 of them).
In fact that fellow who flew in the Comanche might be an alright kind
of bloke. But, if he is alright, he'll probably never waste the time
and effort to go back again. You'll notice that John Stricker who
used to fly his Twin Comanche in, never goes anymore. He's way too
qualified for that "party" thousands of hours, helicopter rated, CFI
and all. He felt it was a waste of his time long ago.

Hey, the 9 or 10 people who go now have exactly what they wanted.
They can sit and listen to 100 hour pilots like Oysterhouse tell them
how to do it, or Sydney with her vast depth of knowledge in
homebuilding and flying. They can listen to Cessna 150 drivers like
Moon Man. There's nothing wrong with any of it. It's John's party
now. That's what he wanted and what the pillars of RAH wanted. You
posters here have made it what you wanted it to be.

I don't think it's good or bad, sad or happy. It just is what it is.
For many of us who wanted it to become more, we lost to the Sydneys
and the Moon Men. So be it. It just doesn't appeal to the high time
builders and pilots anymore. I know for myself, I'd rather be flying
my gyrocopter off a dry lake bed here than fly one foot in the
direction of the PJY activity each year.

Everybody's different. I'm not telling anyone to stay away. Like I
said yesterday, Gary Thomas and April were there. They are quality
people who find the "party" fun. To each his own. It's just not for
me or about 100 others who used to support it with money, free-rides
in classy airplanes, airline tickets for those too poor to get there,
beer, etc. Whatever we did, was not enough. Everybody still bitched,
mooched and resented us for doing it (or because we could do it). So,
it is what you all have made it now, and so well put above by the
Twin-Comanche driver. So, have fun.

BWB

>
>
>All systems are Go! We have lift off! Lift off of Dr. Evil
) and his penis shaped spacecraft!

Pac, you crack me up. Isn't it funny that it's just a matter of time
for any high time builder or pilot to become totally burnt out by this
forum?

I'll bet you a nickel there are people here who routinely post, who
don't know what an aileron is. I know for sure there are routine
mouther-offer's here who don't have a clue why a rudder is on an
airplane. They think to themselves, "Birds don't have rudders, why do
airplanes need them?"

I'm not kidding you Pac. This is a lot of the quality you are dealing
with here anymore.

In the olden days, it was a lot more fun. In fact I'm just on here
because I'm home bound with a cold right now. I think a lot of the
guys who used to post a lot of stuff here only post when they have
nothing else to do. It's like you Pac. You are all bunged up so you
post here. If you were feeling better you'd be out doing it, not
writing about it to people who haven't ever done it. But...that's
what makes RAH what it is. Even someone who's never had a lesson in
an airplane can challenge and be brash to the old timers who have more
time sleeping in cockpits than in beds.

Yep. That's RAH.

BWB

> wrote <snip>
> The single word SHUN should convey but one clearcut objective.
> You choose to SPIN it into a major biased ****storm in BWB's
> behalf, if you ask me.
>
> > That makes you the
> > real internet bully here.
>
> A bully is a person who is habitually cruel or overbearing,
> especially to smaller or weaker people. I'm not habitually
> anything since I've just made myself known and as you say..
> am COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS.
>
> > I guess it's just too threatening for you
> > to realize that Bill does have friends.
>
> IMO, Bill just lost his last friend, John Ammeter.
> You are not his friend. IMO, you are an acquaintence.
>
> >Despite Badwater Bill's
> > shortcomings (and he's got em') he's ten times the American you are.
>
> Again, I am COMPLETELY UNKNOWN to you.
> You continue to make a buffoon of yourself, IMO.
>
> > I get along with him fine. Try using honey instead of vinegar all the
> > time.
>
> Please, give this loony tune a rest.
> I'm new here.
> I've yet to establish any parameters or character base
> since as you say.... I am COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS.
>
> > <snip>

Are you really new here? Now "Nobody" has turned into none other than
"Carburetor Heat Bob" "Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!" 50 years of flight
and he doesn't know about temperature dewpoint carb icing.

Sorry old timer, but you asked for it. This dishonest Subterfuge is
beneath you isn't it really? Aren't you a little too old to be
playing childish games?

pac

In > pacplyer wrote:

> Are you really new here? Now "Nobody" has turned into none other than
> "Carburetor Heat Bob" "Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!" 50 years of flight
> and he doesn't know about temperature dewpoint carb icing.
>
> Sorry old timer, but you asked for it. This dishonest Subterfuge is
> beneath you isn't it really? Aren't you a little too old to be
> playing childish games?

Did you actually spend enough time reading the archives to pull that out
or was I wrong and you really are Bill?

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Bill Phillips wrote:

>> BTW - what did YOU do that weekend?
>
> ...Would you believe that I was with Jim
> Campbell at Mohave just as Burt Rutan's boys were
> about to make a 55 second burn and attained
> 212,000 feet msl at apogee in their space
> ship?

Cool story but irrelevant to the question at hand
since there was more than a week between the two events.

Spaceship One Flight #3, the high altitude flight: 13 May 04
The weekend Michael asked about: 21-23 May 04

Related: The first space attempt is scheduled for 21 June
and is open to the public. Don't need a press pass or
an invite to be JAFO.

Dave 'calendar boy' Hyde

(Badwater Bill) wrote
> >what did YOU do that weekend?
>
> You wouldn't believe me if I told you. You'd come back with another
> of the endless follow ups you morons concoct to make yourselves feel
> you have superior skills. Would you believe that I was with Jim
> Campbell at Mohave just as Burt Rutan's boys were about to make a 55
> second burn and attained 212,000 feet msl at apogee in their space
> ship?

I might believe that. But I didn't ask where you WERE, I asked what
you DID. It's pretty cool that Burt Rutan's boys got that altitude.
I'm sure it was really cool to design that ship, and even cooler to
fly it. Might even have been cool to work on it. So is that what you
did? Or were you just a spectator?

> That twin Comanche is slow, it has dangerous flat spin characteristics
> with one engine out, and no useful load. If you weigh a couple
> hundred pounds and you fill it with fuel, you'll only get two more
> medium sized people in it without busting gross.

Full fuel, 3 200-pounders, and some bags - and you've hit gross -
that's about right. As for dangerous flat spin characteristics -
well, I prefer not to spin twins at all so their spin characteristics
don't concern me, but if you feel the need you go right ahead.

> But, my point was not to run down your airplane. My point was to run
> down the people.

Well, at least you're admitting it. That's something. Now tell me,
why is that important to you?

> I actually think twin Comanches are fun to fly, even
> though they burn 15 gallons per hour and only go 160 mph.

You must have had some really crappy Twin Comanches. Their engines
wouldn't start and they would only go 160 mph on 15 gph. Well, don't
feel bad about it. My first plane was a dog too. But just FYI, your
speed estimate is low by about 15% for that fuel burn, at least for a
reasonably rigged plane with properly functioning engines. Are you
sure you had your fuel servos adjusted properly?

> A
> Cessna-210 has the same burn but does 200 mph, plus carries 1000
> pounds of people when it's full of fuel.

I've never seen a normally aspirated C-210 that would do 200 mph but
whatever. BTW - how does it perform with one engine out?

> But most of the people who read this group wouldn't know that, or
> know the differences. Just like they don't know the differences
> between what we all once envisioned the RAH fly-in to become.

If you stop ingesting mind-altering chemicals, you might stop seeing
those visions. If not, I'm sure competent psychiatric help is
available.

Seriously, I've read your stuff. Workshops on riveting, fabric and
dope, and whatever else. There's already a fly-in for that. It's
called Oshkosh.

> But, as you said, it's just a party now... just John
> Johnson's annual picnic.

And the problem here is what?

You want a flyin that will be something different? One that will suit
your tastes? Go ahead, put one on. Nobody is stopping you. I even
promise to show up in my slug airplane. Drag your C-210 out; we'll do
some low passes in formation if you can keep up.

Michael

Del Rawlins > wrote in message >...
> In > pacplyer wrote:
>
> > Are you really new here? Now "Nobody" has turned into none other than
> > "Carburetor Heat Bob" "Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!" 50 years of flight
> > and he doesn't know about temperature dewpoint carb icing.
> >
> > Sorry old timer, but you asked for it. This dishonest Subterfuge is
> > beneath you isn't it really? Aren't you a little too old to be
> > playing childish games?
>
> Did you actually spend enough time reading the archives to pull that out
> or was I wrong and you really are Bill?

Don't you remember? Pac was such a big fan of RAH that he lurked for
10 years before he started posting twice a week. And he did it from
Manila, where there weren't any ISP's until 1999. That way he can
remember things that happened on RAH in 1994, and still not be Bill.

(pacplyer) wrote in message >...
> It's Doctor a-OK again! ) and his super-sneaky disappearing
> ink!
>
> You do have a sense of humor after all. Glad to see you made it back
> from the Littrow Tarus region! What happened? Your high gain antenna
> fall off cause you forgot to use good AN locknuts? And let me
> guess: you're also having trouble with the new patent that beams
> your neurons up to the vehicle so you can update your patent number
> file on the LEM landing stage. What a waste of 8k storage!
>
> But what about your Martian Hardware? You know the stuff you said
> that works. Boy, those new rovers are making your stuff look pretty
> crappy. Maybe they can roam over and rescue some of the pieces for
> you. I bet your twin brother worked on the Beagle Two. Loss of basic
> signal seems to run in your family.
>
> 1) HARDWARE? (Claims to have secret space hardware on the Moon and
> Mars)
>
> GO!
>
> 2) PROGRAMMING? (Claims to have been involved in both programs even
> though they're too many years apart)
>
> GO!
>
> 3) ELECTRICAL? (Doesn't know what key transistors are used in his own
> com equip)
>
> GO!
>
>
> 4) CAPCOM? (Can't tell who he's talking to online, flys into
> uncontrollable fits of rage)
>
> GO!
>
>
> 5) RETRO? (Despises anyone around him who discovers he's an idiot)
>
> GO!
>
>
> 6) FIRE CONTROL? (Tries to kill off anyone who scuttles his plans for
> worldwide usenet domination)
>
> GO!
>
> 7) GUIDANCE? (Never had any as a small child; the reason he became a
> mad scientist)
>
> GO!
>
> 8) PAYLOAD? (18 lbs of Sporty's Pilot Shop trinkets in his pockets)
>
> GO!
>
>
>
> All systems are Go! We have lift off! Lift off of Dr. Evil
> ) and his penis shaped spacecraft!

It's Official. thinks he's a character living in a sci-fi movie.

(Badwater Bill) wrote in message >...
> >
> >
> >All systems are Go! We have lift off! Lift off of Dr. Evil
> ) and his penis shaped spacecraft!
>
> Pac, you crack me up. Isn't it funny that it's just a matter of time
> for any high time builder or pilot to become totally burnt out by this
> forum?
>
> I'll bet you a nickel there are people here who routinely post, who
> don't know what an aileron is. I know for sure there are routine
> mouther-offer's here who don't have a clue why a rudder is on an
> airplane. They think to themselves, "Birds don't have rudders, why do
> airplanes need them?"
>
> I'm not kidding you Pac. This is a lot of the quality you are dealing
> with here anymore.
>
> In the olden days, it was a lot more fun. In fact I'm just on here
> because I'm home bound with a cold right now. I think a lot of the
> guys who used to post a lot of stuff here only post when they have
> nothing else to do. It's like you Pac. You are all bunged up so you
> post here. If you were feeling better you'd be out doing it, not
> writing about it to people who haven't ever done it. But...that's
> what makes RAH what it is. Even someone who's never had a lesson in
> an airplane can challenge and be brash to the old timers who have more
> time sleeping in cockpits than in beds.
>
> Yep. That's RAH.
>
> BWB


Sleeping in airplanes. Man, you sure brought back some unpleasant
memories. When a "phoon" hits the south pacific and you're hauling
time sensitive trash, you do exactly that: you divert to a different
city and sit there in the ****ing airplane until it passes. At least
that's what you do at the ****ty non-scheds. My neck and back are
hurting right now just from thinking about it. I'm swatting
mosquitoes and not eating for 16 hrs straight. Thanks Bill.

Wait, wait. This story is not about homebuilding! Nice going! You
stirred up the RAH anthill BWB! And now I'm the guy standing in it!
**** you Badwater Bill! I'm not your friend anymore!

pacplyer

>
>
>Sleeping in airplanes. Man, you sure brought back some unpleasant
>memories. When a "phoon" hits the south pacific and you're hauling
>time sensitive trash, you do exactly that: you divert to a different
>city and sit there in the ****ing airplane until it passes. At least
>that's what you do at the ****ty non-scheds. My neck and back are
>hurting right now just from thinking about it. I'm swatting
>mosquitoes and not eating for 16 hrs straight. Thanks Bill.
>
>Wait, wait. This story is not about homebuilding! Nice going! You
>stirred up the RAH anthill BWB! And now I'm the guy standing in it!
>**** you Badwater Bill! I'm not your friend anymore!
>
>pacplyer


Yeah, dude.... I get a kick out of all the people who think that
being a professional pilot is a romantic endeavor. Boy, do they have
a rude awakening if they ever try it. But, Pac, I can top your
sleeping in the seat at some diverted airport ****-hole in the world
to avoid a phoon.

How about working for AFTAC on their 24 hour missions to the North
Pole? They would sit up there in orbit (driving in circles) and wait
for the Russians to test their nukes and vent into the troposphere.
Then the fun was on. You'd have to fly this piece of old trashy ****
(Boeing 707) EC-135 through the radioactive dust and sample it.

Anyone who's ever flown a 24 hour mission knows what it's like to want
to just ****ing scream and take a can opener to the fuselage to get
out. I don't have a clue how those guys who went to the moon and back
ever did that. They must have been on some powerful clostrophobic
inhibiting drugs. Christ, they had to even **** in a space suit to
boot.

If I never participate in any form of government flying again for as
long as I live, it will be too soon. In fact I NEVER want to fly
anybody or anything commercially ever again. I fly for my own
pleasure and my own edification.

Jesus, I did it again. I posted about something not related to
homebuilding. I wonder if anyone else has ever done that here?

BWB

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:29:48 GMT, "nauga" > wrote:

>Bill Phillips wrote:
>
>>> BTW - what did YOU do that weekend?
>>
>> ...Would you believe that I was with Jim
>> Campbell at Mohave just as Burt Rutan's boys were
>> about to make a 55 second burn and attained
>> 212,000 feet msl at apogee in their space
>> ship?
>
>Cool story but irrelevant to the question at hand
>since there was more than a week between the two events.
>
>Spaceship One Flight #3, the high altitude flight: 13 May 04
>The weekend Michael asked about: 21-23 May 04
>
>Related: The first space attempt is scheduled for 21 June
>and is open to the public. Don't need a press pass or
>an invite to be JAFO.
>
>Dave 'calendar boy' Hyde

Yep, you are right Nagua it was the week before. When you get my age,
you are lucky if you can remember what year it is or if you took a
**** today or not.

Since all of you find my life so interesting as you sit at home and do
nothing, I have to apologize for getting the days confused. I should
have known that some anal retentive engineer would take issue with
such a post and bounce me on it. Here's an accounting of my time. Of
course I feel obligated to do this for all of you who have no lives.

Actually after the Mohave run, my buddy Jim Campbell and I were at
that Air Traffic controller's convention here in Vegas. Those were
the days following Burt's run. However, you won't expect this, so I
have to tell you the following:

The famous weekend of the PJY picnic I was in Sierra Vista, Arizona
just south of Tomestone on the Mexican border working with some
engineers and the Border Patrol on the design of special seismic
sensors. Since all of this is the business of RAH, I must pontificate
further.

I have a great solution to protecting the border using R-44 Raven
II's. The problem is, that it doesn't cost enough. Homeland Security
hands out billion dollar grants like popcorn but 100 , R-44 police
helicopters at $500k each puts 100 observation platforms in the air
for $50 million. It's just too cheap to get their attention. Also,
you can run them 2000 hours a year for another million each. So, for
$50 million in equipment and about another $100 million per year to
operate them, you seal the Mexican-U.S. border.

During Viet Nam, I had buddies who flew P-3's over the Ho Chi Mhin
trail dropping sonobouys. The sonobouys had parachutes on them and
would land in the upper canopy of the jungle and start recording
sound. We'd fly back by the next day and interrogate them. In this
way we could find out where the gooks were building up for a big
offensive.

The borders can be monitored in the same way. You bury a geophone
every 500 feet along the whole border. When you get a hit, you fly
out in a ($0.5 million) Robie R-44 instead of a ($8 million) Black
Hawk, and take action. you get 16 aerial platforms for the price of
one that way. You can even use the internet as your relay network.
The geophones transmit to a repeater that sends the data up to Hughes
99 west and puts it on the Internet. In that way, you can listen to
the whole border at once. No fences, no walls, and even if they
tunnel, the geophones will hear them. You don't even need to put
geophones along the entire border, you can start out putting them just
at the hot spots

If Homeland Security wanted to put these sensors along the entire
border, it would only cost about $4 million bucks. That plus the
helicopters which are all factory equipped with FLIR and video
xmitters to ground stations, gives you live video of the border over
the Internet too. It's all so simple because of the Internet, it's
actually a trivial thing to implement.

The real problem with my solution is that it just doesn't cost enough.
Even if you include Canada you are only looking at about $150 million
in helicopters and $200 million per year to opperate them. It's just
too cheap and DHS (Dept. of Homeland Security) would never buy it
because they want to give away billion dollar grants to study the
problem. Others want the borders to be open and that's why there are
2 illegal aliens coming across the Mexican border each minute of each
day.

So, go figure.

And that's what I was doing and where I was on the weekend of the
famous annual PJY picnic. I hope this meets with all of your
approvals. I was trying to do something positive for my country, but
I have no idea how much I did or how much they listened.

BWB

On 2 Jun 2004 20:59:24 GMT, Del Rawlins
> wrote:

>In > pacplyer wrote:
>
>> Are you really new here? Now "Nobody" has turned into none other than
>> "Carburetor Heat Bob" "Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!" 50 years of flight
>> and he doesn't know about temperature dewpoint carb icing.
>>
>> Sorry old timer, but you asked for it. This dishonest Subterfuge is
>> beneath you isn't it really? Aren't you a little too old to be
>> playing childish games?
>
>Did you actually spend enough time reading the archives to pull that out
>or was I wrong and you really are Bill?
>

No, I really am Bill.

BWB

>Don't you remember? Pac was such a big fan of RAH that he lurked for
>10 years before he started posting twice a week. And he did it from
>Manila, where there weren't any ISP's until 1999. That way he can
>remember things that happened on RAH in 1994, and still not be Bill.


BBWWAHAHAHAHHAA You morons crack me up. Just nothing else to do in
life eh?

Did you ever think that I may have told Pac about how Urban screamed
"Mayday, Mayday, Mayday all the way back to PJY that day? Then O'ring
told him to try his carburetor heat and that seemed to fix the
problem? I guess there's just too much to do in that Air Coup
(hicup). Hell, you have all the emergency checklists, hydraulic
systems, leading edge devices, flaps, roll trim, autopilot, EFIS,
communications, Navigation. It almost sounds like too much for even
me, the great Badwater.

BWB

"Badwater Bill" > wrote in message
.. .

Well, interesting as usual but why don't you say who you're replying to in
your conversation with someone about Pac lurking for 10 years and Barnyard
yelling 'mayday.' It makes us have to go dig up the dullard's post by
trial and error.

You DID say who you were replying to in your answer to DullDel the Dildo.

"Badwater Bill" > wrote in message
.. .
>
<Snipped>
>
> BWB
>
>
Wow,

You can be both interesting and boring at the same time!

-cj

(Badwater Bill) wrote in message >...
> On 2 Jun 2004 20:59:24 GMT, Del Rawlins
> > wrote:
>
> >In > pacplyer wrote:
> >
> >> Are you really new here? Now "Nobody" has turned into none other than
> >> "Carburetor Heat Bob" "Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!" 50 years of flight
> >> and he doesn't know about temperature dewpoint carb icing.
> >>
> >> Sorry old timer, but you asked for it. This dishonest Subterfuge is
> >> beneath you isn't it really? Aren't you a little too old to be
> >> playing childish games?
> >
> >Did you actually spend enough time reading the archives to pull that out
> >or was I wrong and you really are Bill?
> >
>
> No, I really am Bill.
>

No you're not. I really am Bill!

Billplyer
> BWB

(Badwater Bill) wrote <snip>
>
> The famous weekend of the PJY picnic I was in Sierra Vista, Arizona
> just south of Tomestone on the Mexican border working with some
> engineers and the Border Patrol on the design of special seismic
> sensors.

<snip>
>
> And that's what I was doing and where I was on the weekend of the
> famous annual PJY picnic. I hope this meets with all of your
> approvals. I was trying to do something positive for my country, but
> I have no idea how much I did or how much they listened.
>
> BWB

Ya see what I mean? Here's this guy again tackling a major U.S.
security problem for the benefit of all of us who live in this
country; and all you guys can do is tear him down, time after time,
exaggerate his minor transgressions and faults and go out of your way
to **** him off. Hell, if I had to deal with the slow turtles in the
Federal Government any more than I do now, I'd be a mean, cranky MoFoe
too. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

I just don't know. With what I've witnessed here the last few days, I
have to wonder if this Captain Zoom guy didn't get the same dishonest
posting treatment I just got. That seems to be what Bill thinks. But
there's just no stopping the Lynch Mob when it starts picking up
steam. I'm guilty too. Even though I thought "Captain Zoom" was
probably the fictional character played by you pranksters at first, I
went back and forth on whether or not a real person could really be
jumping off buildings, playing doctor etc. It really seemed like a
new script for a sequel movie. Bill and archive reading confirmed
that a real person, however fallible, was behind these lashings. It
appears to me that no stone was left unturned trying to discredit this
guy but I was unable to figure out what started the Zoom witch-hunt.
Anybody know?

As always, all my post are my opinions only.

pacplyer

"nauga" > wrote in message et>...
> Bill Phillips wrote:
>
> >> BTW - what did YOU do that weekend?
> >
> > ...Would you believe that I was with Jim
> > Campbell at Mohave just as Burt Rutan's boys were
> > about to make a 55 second burn and attained
> > 212,000 feet msl at apogee in their space
> > ship?
>
> Cool story but irrelevant to the question at hand
> since there was more than a week between the two events.
>
> Spaceship One Flight #3, the high altitude flight: 13 May 04
> The weekend Michael asked about: 21-23 May 04
>
> Related: The first space attempt is scheduled for 21 June
> and is open to the public. Don't need a press pass or
> an invite to be JAFO.
>
> Dave 'calendar boy' Hyde
>


Dave;

Now that I know zzzzzoom was in attendance at Mohave I wish that I
had continued my trip that day. I was at Edwards trying to visit the
museum that very day. I had planned to go on to Mohave, but after
being turned away from Edwards due to security (they weren't letting
anyone in without a base sticker). I turned around and headed back to
Victorville. When I checked the net that night I found out about the
Spaceship One flight. I was really bummed that I didn't head on over.
Now that I know that zzzzoom was there I am sure that my presence
would have ruined his day.
Now that you are about to become a resident of the Peoples Republic
of California have you found housing for your plane. I know a guy at
Chino (CNO) that has a hangar open.

Frank

> I don't have a clue how those guys who went to the moon and back
> ever did that. They must have been on some powerful clostrophobic
> inhibiting drugs. Christ, they had to even **** in a space suit to
> boot.


Well, actually, they pulled the suit pants down, stuck a bag on their
ass, and **** into it. Then they sealed said bag, kneaded it to work
the deodorizer crystals in, and stored it in the cabin.

(Badwater Bill) wrote
> So, for
> $50 million in equipment and about another $100 million per year to
> operate them, you seal the Mexican-U.S. border.

And here I thought you were smart. Clue time - nobody wants that
border sealed, or at least nobody who matters. The illegals who cross
that border are the migrant labor that the economies of Texas and
California (not to mention some smaller states) depend on.

> The real problem with my solution is that it just doesn't cost enough.

No, the real problem is that nobody wants that border sealed so tight.

> DHS (Dept. of Homeland Security) would never buy it
> because they want to give away billion dollar grants to study the
> problem.

Right - because that's all we're ever going to do. Study the
'problem.'

At my home field, a couple of guys just built hangers so they could
start on their F-1 Rockets (gotta relate this to homebuilding
somehow). Where do you think the labor came from?

> Others want the borders to be open and that's why there are
> 2 illegal aliens coming across the Mexican border each minute of each
> day.

Yes, that's exactly why. Nothing to do with your solution being too
cheap - nobody who matters really wants that border closed. So
basically, you were just wasting everyone's time, including your own.
Well, it's your time to waste - but then you have the nerve to put
down the people who went to a party instead.

> I was trying to do something positive for my country

You mean having sealed borders? Frankly, when my parents left our
former country to come here and settle, that's one of the things they
wanted to avoid. I was too young at the time to understand, but in
retrospect I agree completely.

> I have no idea how much I did or how much they listened.

Hopefully very little.

Michael

(Frank Hitlaw) wrote in message >...
> "nauga" > wrote in message et>...
> > Bill Phillips wrote:
> >
> > >> BTW - what did YOU do that weekend?
> > >
> > > ...Would you believe that I was with Jim
> > > Campbell at Mohave just as Burt Rutan's boys were
> > > about to make a 55 second burn and attained
> > > 212,000 feet msl at apogee in their space
> > > ship?
> >
> > Cool story but irrelevant to the question at hand
> > since there was more than a week between the two events.
> >
> > Spaceship One Flight #3, the high altitude flight: 13 May 04
> > The weekend Michael asked about: 21-23 May 04
> >
> > Related: The first space attempt is scheduled for 21 June
> > and is open to the public. Don't need a press pass or
> > an invite to be JAFO.
> >
> > Dave 'calendar boy' Hyde
> >
>
>
> Dave;
>
> Now that I know zzzzzoom was in attendance at Mohave I wish that I
> had continued my trip that day. I was at Edwards trying to visit the
> museum that very day. I had planned to go on to Mohave, but after
> being turned away from Edwards due to security (they weren't letting
> anyone in without a base sticker).

This doesn't sound exactly right. You don't have to have a base
sticker to get in to Air Base museums. Temporary passes are issued if
you set them up ahead of time.

I turned around and headed back to
> Victorville. When I checked the net that night I found out about the
> Spaceship One flight. I was really bummed that I didn't head on over.
> Now that I know that zzzzoom was there I am sure that my presence
> would have ruined his day.

Why is that? Were you planning to intimidate him or something?

pacplyer

In > pacplyer wrote:
> (Frank Hitlaw) wrote in message news:<f8ebb16c.
> >...

>> Victorville. When I checked the net that night I found out about the
>> Spaceship One flight. I was really bummed that I didn't head on over.
>> Now that I know that zzzzoom was there I am sure that my presence
>> would have ruined his day.
>
> Why is that? Were you planning to intimidate him or something?
>
> pacplyer

Pac, for more information about Zoom check out this site:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ousterj/zoom.html

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(pacplyer) wrote in message >...
> (Frank Hitlaw) wrote in message >...
> > "nauga" > wrote in message et>...
> > > Bill Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > >> BTW - what did YOU do that weekend?
> > > >
> > > > ...Would you believe that I was with Jim
> > > > Campbell at Mohave just as Burt Rutan's boys were
> > > > about to make a 55 second burn and attained
> > > > 212,000 feet msl at apogee in their space

> >
> >
> > Dave;
> >
> > Now that I know zzzzzoom was in attendance at Mohave I wish that I
> > had continued my trip that day. I was at Edwards trying to visit the
> > museum that very day. I had planned to go on to Mohave, but after
> > being turned away from Edwards due to security (they weren't letting
> > anyone in without a base sticker).
>
> This doesn't sound exactly right. You don't have to have a base
> sticker to get in to Air Base museums. Temporary passes are issued if
> you set them up ahead of time.

It is exactly correct,I didn't have anything going on so I headed
for Edwards. I didn't set anything up in advance. I didn't even know
if the Edwards Museum was in the security area. The museum that I once
had a hand in at Grissom AFB was on the base property. But,it was
outside the Security area and no passes were needed.

> I turned around and headed back to
> > Victorville. When I checked the net that night I found out about the
> > Spaceship One flight. I was really bummed that I didn't head on over.
> > Now that I know that zzzzoom was there I am sure that my presence
> > would have ruined his day.
>
> Why is that? Were you planning to intimidate him or something?

Like I said just my presence would have ruined his day. Considering
what he has pulled on me in the past.I owe to myself to do everything
legally that would upset him.You need to be on the recieving end of
some of his B.S. to really understand.

>
> pacplyer

Frank

Frank Hitlaw wrote:

> Now that you are about to become a resident of the Peoples Republic
> of California have you found housing for your plane. I know a guy at
> Chino (CNO) that has a hangar open.

I'm pretty sure I've got a spot at Corona but haven't got
the key in my hand yet. Man, I wish Meadowlark was still there.

EDW, Mojave, Victorville?? Are you still based overseas?

Dave 'CONUS' Hyde