Got a request from Gordon P this afternoon.....


Do any of the naval aviation community recall any details of the safety
video featuring a line of final checkers who were killed by a loose arrestor
cable ? Apparently the last man in line managed to jump at just the
right time and avoided the wire.


I personally remember reading about this incident in 1970, so I imagine it
would have happened in the mid-60s



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Cheers


Dave Kearton

Dave Kearton wrote:
> Got a request from Gordon P this afternoon.....
>
>
> Do any of the naval aviation community recall any details of the safety
> video featuring a line of final checkers who were killed by a loose arrestor
> cable ? Apparently the last man in line managed to jump at just the
> right time and avoided the wire.
>
>
> I personally remember reading about this incident in 1970, so I imagine it
> would have happened in the mid-60s
>
>
>
It was a Whale landing...right?

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" > wrote in message
news:1112540057.4c2201d4fe5127f81ee5c315864b6372@t eranews
| Dave Kearton wrote:
|| Got a request from Gordon P this afternoon.....
||
||
|| Do any of the naval aviation community recall any details of the
|| safety video featuring a line of final checkers who were killed by a
|| loose arrestor cable ? Apparently the last man in line
|| managed to jump at just the right time and avoided the wire.
||
||
|| I personally remember reading about this incident in 1970, so I
|| imagine it would have happened in the mid-60s
||
||
||
| It was a Whale landing...right?






From what I've been told, however details of the CV and dates etc would be
nice.



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Cheers


Dave Kearton

Believe it was the Conny in around '66-'67. I had a friend aboard at the
time.

Rick
P5M (SP-5)/E2C

"Dave Kearton" > wrote in message
...
>
> Got a request from Gordon P this afternoon.....
>
>
> Do any of the naval aviation community recall any details of the safety
> video featuring a line of final checkers who were killed by a loose
> arrestor
> cable ? Apparently the last man in line managed to jump at just
> the
> right time and avoided the wire.
>
>
> I personally remember reading about this incident in 1970, so I imagine
> it
> would have happened in the mid-60s
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Dave Kearton
>
>

Is that the video they used to show during safety stand downs? I
remember seeing that and the JFK fire videos (well, they were on 16mm
film when I saw them). Can't forget "The Man from LOX."

Don McIntyre
Clarksville, TN

That's exactly the one - and yer right, "Man from LOX" still gives me
shivers, too.

v/r
Gordon
"These are your brains. These are your brains blown 200' in the sky by
spilling a bit of LOX."

wrote in news:1124764233.956925.26320
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> That's exactly the one - and yer right, "Man from LOX" still gives me
> shivers, too.
>
> v/r
> Gordon
> "These are your brains. These are your brains blown 200' in the sky by
> spilling a bit of LOX."

I used to get to show that once a month for an O2 safety lesson. The barf
board got at least one hit about every other class. Got 4 or 5 hits from a
particularly noteworthy class. If I never see it again it will be way too
soon.

Dave in San Diego

"Dave in San Diego" > wrote in message

| wrote in news:1124764233.956925.26320
| @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
|
|| That's exactly the one - and yer right, "Man from LOX" still gives me
|| shivers, too.
||
|| v/r
|| Gordon
|| "These are your brains. These are your brains blown 200' in the sky
|| by spilling a bit of LOX."
|
| I used to get to show that once a month for an O2 safety lesson. The
| barf board got at least one hit about every other class. Got 4 or 5
| hits from a particularly noteworthy class. If I never see it again it
| will be way too soon.
|
| Dave in San Diego




For the rest of us, not privvy to USN safety footage, what happens ?



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Cheers


Dave Kearton

"Dave Kearton" > wrote in
:

> "Dave in San Diego" > wrote in message
>
>| wrote in news:1124764233.956925.26320
>| @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>|
>|| That's exactly the one - and yer right, "Man from LOX" still gives me
>|| shivers, too.
>||
>|| v/r
>|| Gordon
>|| "These are your brains. These are your brains blown 200' in the sky
>|| by spilling a bit of LOX."
>|
>| I used to get to show that once a month for an O2 safety lesson. The
>| barf board got at least one hit about every other class. Got 4 or 5
>| hits from a particularly noteworthy class. If I never see it again it
>| will be way too soon.
>|
>| Dave in San Diego
>
> For the rest of us, not privvy to USN safety footage, what happens ?

Ahhh..... Well, the first 90% of the movie is done in a humourous
vein, with some well proportioned, scantily clad young ladies playing a
significant role. A recently removed and ignited bra is dropped into a
puddle of LOX and immediately goes up in a large ball of fire. The line
"I gotta get this LOX cart back or the Safety Officer's gonna have my
ass" is uttered 2 or 3 times by said ladies in different situations,
adding to the humour.

This is all a setup for the final minute, when we get to observe a still
breathing alleged victim of a LOX fed fire, lying on a gurney at the ER.
An incredibly gruesome picture - just a bunch of red burnt flesh with no
hair or facial features.

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:31:45 GMT, Dave in San Diego
> wrote:

>"Dave Kearton" > wrote in
:
>
>> "Dave in San Diego" > wrote in message
>>
>>| wrote in news:1124764233.956925.26320
>>| @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>|
>>|| That's exactly the one - and yer right, "Man from LOX" still gives me
>>|| shivers, too.
>>||
>>|| v/r
>>|| Gordon
>>|| "These are your brains. These are your brains blown 200' in the sky
>>|| by spilling a bit of LOX."
>>|
>>| I used to get to show that once a month for an O2 safety lesson. The
>>| barf board got at least one hit about every other class. Got 4 or 5
>>| hits from a particularly noteworthy class. If I never see it again it
>>| will be way too soon.
>>|
>>| Dave in San Diego
>>
>> For the rest of us, not privvy to USN safety footage, what happens ?
>
>Ahhh..... Well, the first 90% of the movie is done in a humourous
>vein, with some well proportioned, scantily clad young ladies playing a
>significant role. A recently removed and ignited bra is dropped into a
>puddle of LOX and immediately goes up in a large ball of fire. The line
>"I gotta get this LOX cart back or the Safety Officer's gonna have my
>ass" is uttered 2 or 3 times by said ladies in different situations,
>adding to the humour.
>
>This is all a setup for the final minute, when we get to observe a still
>breathing alleged victim of a LOX fed fire, lying on a gurney at the ER.
>An incredibly gruesome picture - just a bunch of red burnt flesh with no
>hair or facial features.

I thought that stuff was for lighting BBQ's

http://web.archive.org/web/20010602161147/http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/%7Eghg/


Peter Skelton

Dave, "Safety Standarounds" were a part of Navy life, usually scheduled
far in advance (think: dental appointmens) but often brought on by the
loss of a Squadron aircraft or a string of problems Navy-wide dealing
with that type of a/c. The scheduled ones were "Long periods of
boredom, interrupted by moments of stark boredom"; sitting through the
same decades-old flight deck crash movies, Forrestal and O-boat fire
movies, and the like, punctuated by long, rambling efforts to teach us
all some bit of safety knowledge that we usually knew better than the
pilot-forced-to-become-a-safety-officer-forced-to-become-a-public-speaker-guy..
Think twenty minutes of good gouge crammed into 9 hours seated on
uncomfortable folding chairs. Pins for your eyes were manditory.

Of a completely different nature were the Standdowns that occurred
after the loss of a squadron a/c, which in our case usually meant loss
of friends. They were somber and thoughtful lectures and briefings
with a little opportunity to ask questions and try to heal, as much as
learn from the mishap. Often, the mishap board wouldn't have answers
for months after the event, but we'd typically get surprisingly close
to the truth of what happened during the first few days, so it wasn't
uncommon to use these standdowns as a way to reassure everyone and get
the right word out - the worst thing in these cases was usually the
rumors that flew about in the hours after the loss.

"The Man From LOX" was a staple part of the safety diet for people who
flew or worked around aircraft; it was as much a part of life as the
flight deck crash movies and aircraft carrier fire movies. Every
Airdale in the Navy knew what was about to happen and watched the first
few moments of the Forrestal fire tape with the same anticipation.
Everyone knowing that shortly, they would see that brave muther****in
Chief in the Crash&Salvage silver suit dragging a large firebottle
toward the flaming A-4. In another moment, the hellfire of bombs
exploded and vaporized him before our eyes. Long before the rest of
the world knew who Senator John McCain was, generations of "grapes"
(fuelers), final checkers, and plane captains had seen his A-4
immolated in super-slow-motion on the flight deck of the "Forest Fire"
a hundred times.

That same ingrained training, just like the hideous last few moments of
"LOX", penetrated the hours and hours of boredom to program a response
out of each and every one of us.

When there is a fire on the flight deck on a Navy carrier, you know
what you see? Hundreds of sailors dropping what they are doing to dash
toward that blaze, in exactly the same manner as that long dead but
never forgotten Navy Chief. Every last one of them instantly knowing
precisely what they are going to do, and how. Whether they remember
that Chief at that moment or not, he is right there with them.

I hope those pilot/safety officers/public speakers are still boring the
**** out of young squids today...

yf
Gordon
PS, "LOX" should be a Stile video - its THAT gruesome...

LOX. I remember a grizzled 8-striped Line Chief at Homestead AFB
savaging a young rookie who was caught stomping on spilled LOX drops to
hear them bang between his boot and the tarmac. The LC was so eloquent
I wanted to take notes.
BJ

wrote:
> LOX. I remember a grizzled 8-striped Line Chief at Homestead AFB
> savaging a young rookie who was caught stomping on spilled LOX drops to
> hear them bang between his boot and the tarmac. The LC was so eloquent
> I wanted to take notes.
> BJ
>
Would someone refresh my memory?

IIRC, "The Man from LOX" had been filling bottles on Kitty Hawk and lit
off in his bunk from O2 absorbed into his coveralls?

Rick

Yofuri > wrote in news:11hcvfa18rsvf67
@corp.supernews.com:

> wrote:
>> LOX. I remember a grizzled 8-striped Line Chief at Homestead AFB
>> savaging a young rookie who was caught stomping on spilled LOX drops to
>> hear them bang between his boot and the tarmac. The LC was so eloquent
>> I wanted to take notes.
>> BJ
>>
> Would someone refresh my memory?
>
> IIRC, "The Man from LOX" had been filling bottles on Kitty Hawk and lit
> off in his bunk from O2 absorbed into his coveralls?

I have no idea. I don't recall ever seeing anything official that told "the
rest of the story". I heard a couple of different rumours about what
happened, but don't recall hearing that specific one. I would think that
getting from a LOX handling area to one's bunk would take long enough to
dissipate whatever gaseous oxygen that managed to collect in clothing.

Dave in San Diego