Our club just received our newest 172. The previous owner put a decal
on the door advertising his company and we would like to remove it
without harming the paint. Any suggestions?

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Our club just received our newest 172. The previous owner put a decal
> on the door advertising his company and we would like to remove it
> without harming the paint. Any suggestions?
>

A heat gun maybe? I used one to get inch-wide tape stripes from an
aircraft. Slow but sure and with care no damage to the paint.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Our club just received our newest 172. The previous owner put a decal
> on the door advertising his company and we would like to remove it
> without harming the paint. Any suggestions?
>

Goo Gone® - Sticker Lifter
http://www.organize-everything.com/stickerlifter.html

Rich S.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Our club just received our newest 172. The previous owner put a decal
> on the door advertising his company and we would like to remove it
> without harming the paint. Any suggestions?
>

Mineral spirits works well, and won't hurt the paint. It is the primary
ingredient in most of the "tar removal" products sold for cleaning
automobiles.

Someone suggested a heat gun, but those things are very sensitive to proper
use. Hold 'em a little too close or on one spot for a couple seconds too
long and you'll not only bubble the paint, you might even set it on fire...
Try a blow dryer instead.

KB

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote

> Mineral spirits works well, and won't hurt the paint. It is the primary
> ingredient in most of the "tar removal" products sold for cleaning
> automobiles.

Some stick-on removers contain mostly naphtha. (commonly know as cigarette
lighter fluid) Try that.

If the sticker has a face that will not peel off, then the solvent can't get
to the glue. Try taping a solvent soaked paper towel over the sticker, and
a piece of plastic on top of that, and let it stew over night. If you can
prick the decal with something like an exact knife, that will also help the
solvent get down to the glue.
--
Jim in NC

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:56:58 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
> wrote:

>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>> Our club just received our newest 172. The previous owner put a decal
>> on the door advertising his company and we would like to remove it
>> without harming the paint. Any suggestions?

What you refer to as a decal is probably a vinyl graphic. A true decal
is made up of multple layers of silk screened ink with a clear layer
on each side which is printed on a paper that has a water soluble
coating on it. They are soaked in water then slid of the paper onto
the surface to be adorned. The water is squeegeed out from under them
and they adhere thru surface tension. The advise you have received so
far are probably pretty good for removing a vinyl graphic. Sign
companies make solvents to remove the remaining adhesive after they
are peeled of with heat, but mineral spirits might just do the job.
A true decal is a real bitch to get off.

I just noticed that jauns name has been removed from ANN's web site.Is he no
longer writing for zoom? Did he quit? Was he fired? Will he join the ranks of
the zoomed ex employee? We await the answers to this GREAT mystery...well
actually I'm just courious....ahhh frankly I don't give a hoot just wondering
....ehh so what who cares? :-)

Chuck S

"karel" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I just noticed that jauns name has been removed from ANN's web site
>
> And WHAT is the relation with removing decals?

Karel.........

I don't know what newsreader you are using, but it may not display the fact
that Chuck clearly wrote the subject line to read <jaun missing JJJJJJJJ>.
I'm not sure why or how it was grouped under the <Removing decals> thread.

Rich S.

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 06:56:03 GMT, Ed Sullivan >
wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:56:58 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>>> Our club just received our newest 172. The previous owner put a decal
>>> on the door advertising his company and we would like to remove it
>>> without harming the paint. Any suggestions?
>
>What you refer to as a decal is probably a vinyl graphic. A true decal
>is made up of multple layers of silk screened ink with a clear layer
>on each side which is printed on a paper that has a water soluble
>coating on it. They are soaked in water then slid of the paper onto
>the surface to be adorned. The water is squeegeed out from under them
>and they adhere thru surface tension. The advise you have received so
>far are probably pretty good for removing a vinyl graphic. Sign
>companies make solvents to remove the remaining adhesive after they
>are peeled of with heat, but mineral spirits might just do the job.
>A true decal is a real bitch to get off.
>
*Sometimes* and I emphasize the sometimes, the reverse of the
application will work. A towel soaked in hot water and held firmly in
place over the decal (if it is a true decal) can soften them and they
almost slide off. This usually takes a good half hour to hour of
soaking while keeping the water at least warm. It's an interesting
exercise on vertical surfaces and an exercise in frustration on
overhead surfaces.

I have removed good sized decals this way and I've run into some where
the water soaking didn't do a thing.

Those with adhesive on the backs have been pretty well covered in
other posts.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>

Rich S. wrote:
> "karel" > wrote...
>> And WHAT is the relation with removing decals?
>
> I don't know what newsreader you are using, but it may not display the fact
> that Chuck clearly wrote the subject line to read <jaun missing JJJJJJJJ>.
> I'm not sure why or how it was grouped under the <Removing decals> thread.

This is why:

References: . com>
>
>

From Chucks post...

He changed the subject, but his message was a reply to Ed Sullivan's post:

From: Ed Sullivan >
Message-ID: >
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:56:03 EDT

Looks like Jaun left of the 12th of July


"Darrel Toepfer" > wrote in message
...
> Rich S. wrote:
>> "karel" > wrote...
>>> And WHAT is the relation with removing decals?
>>
>> I don't know what newsreader you are using, but it may not display the
>> fact that Chuck clearly wrote the subject line to read <jaun missing
>> JJJJJJJJ>. I'm not sure why or how it was grouped under the <Removing
>> decals> thread.
>
> This is why:
>
> References: . com>
> >
> >
>
> From Chucks post...
>
> He changed the subject, but his message was a reply to Ed Sullivan's post:
>
> From: Ed Sullivan >
> Message-ID: >
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:56:03 EDT

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> I just noticed that jauns name has been removed from ANN's web site.Is he no
> longer writing for zoom? Did he quit? Was he fired? Will he join the ranks of
> the zoomed ex employee? We await the answers to this GREAT mystery...well
> actually I'm just courious....ahhh frankly I don't give a hoot just wondering
> ...ehh so what who cares? :-)
>
> Chuck S
>

Maybe he went to a fat farm so he can lose enough weight to fit into his
BD-5J?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Cy Galley wrote:

> Looks like Jaun left of the 12th of July

Still listed here:
http://www.aero-news.net/GetMoreFromANN.cfm
and here:
http://www.aero-news.net/Community/GalleryList.cfm
World's Smallest Jet (9 photos)
Here you will find pictures of N3038V, a BD-5J Microjet owned by ANN
Associate Editor Juan Jimenez, and which on 11/22/04 was awarded the
Guinness World Record for the World's Smallest Jet.

I noticed Guinness says it "can fly"... FAA says its TC must be expired:

Temporary Certificate
Certificate Number T017588 Issue Date 12/06/2001
Expiration Date 01/05/2002

Seems it befits some sort of "dodo" award, another flightless bird...

I dunno which page Chuch was referring to...

How is it that Juan can get the record for the "World's
Smallest Jet" when it hasn't even flown?? Plus, there's a
local guy here in Seattle with a BD-5J that's flown in
several airshows...

John


On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:54:51 -0500, Darrel Toepfer
> wrote:

>Cy Galley wrote:
>
>> Looks like Jaun left of the 12th of July
>
>Still listed here:
>http://www.aero-news.net/GetMoreFromANN.cfm
>and here:
>http://www.aero-news.net/Community/GalleryList.cfm
>World's Smallest Jet (9 photos)
>Here you will find pictures of N3038V, a BD-5J Microjet owned by ANN
>Associate Editor Juan Jimenez, and which on 11/22/04 was awarded the
>Guinness World Record for the World's Smallest Jet.
>
>I noticed Guinness says it "can fly"... FAA says its TC must be expired:
>
>Temporary Certificate
>Certificate Number T017588 Issue Date 12/06/2001
>Expiration Date 01/05/2002
>
>Seems it befits some sort of "dodo" award, another flightless bird...
>
>I dunno which page Chuch was referring to...

"John Ammeter" > wrote in message
...
> How is it that Juan can get the record for the "World's
> Smallest Jet" when it hasn't even flown?? Plus, there's a
> local guy here in Seattle with a BD-5J that's flown in
> several airshows...

John............

Picture Juan standing beside the BD.

Rich S.

Darrel Toepfer wrote:

> Cy Galley wrote:
>
>> Looks like Jaun left of the 12th of July
>
>
> Still listed here:
> http://www.aero-news.net/GetMoreFromANN.cfm
> and here:
> http://www.aero-news.net/Community/GalleryList.cfm
> World's Smallest Jet (9 photos)
> Here you will find pictures of N3038V, a BD-5J Microjet owned by ANN
> Associate Editor Juan Jimenez, and which on 11/22/04 was awarded the
> Guinness World Record for the World's Smallest Jet.
>
> I noticed Guinness says it "can fly"... FAA says its TC must be expired:
>
> Temporary Certificate
> Certificate Number T017588 Issue Date 12/06/2001
> Expiration Date 01/05/2002
>
> Seems it befits some sort of "dodo" award, another flightless bird...
>
> I dunno which page Chuch was referring to...

What is not immediately clear is what actual work yawn has done on
this "aircraft" since he bought it already built several years ago. The
original builder should sue to get the Guinness award. It probably will
never fly.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Rich S. wrote:

> "John Ammeter" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>How is it that Juan can get the record for the "World's
>>Smallest Jet" when it hasn't even flown?? Plus, there's a
>>local guy here in Seattle with a BD-5J that's flown in
>>several airshows...
>
>
> John............
>
> Picture Juan standing beside the BD.
>
> Rich S.
>
>
Yep, beside, never IN the BD-5J.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

John Ammeter wrote:

> How is it that Juan can get the record for the "World's
> Smallest Jet" when it hasn't even flown?? Plus, there's a
> local guy here in Seattle with a BD-5J that's flown in
> several airshows...

Well its a "weight" thing apparently...

In article >, Darrel Toepfer says...
>This is why:
>
>References: . com>
>
>
>
> From Chucks post...
>
>He changed the subject, but his message was a reply to Ed Sullivan's post:

MY FAULT !!! That's what I did .Shows ya what I know about computers ,I thought
if I erased everything it started a new post. Apologizes to all who were
offended,I'm so so so so sorry .I throw myself at your collective feet and beg
for mercy ......:-)

See ya

Chuck S

In article >, John Ammeter says...
>
>How is it that Juan can get the record for the "World's
>Smallest Jet" when it hasn't even flown?? Plus, there's a
>local guy here in Seattle with a BD-5J that's flown in
>several airshows...
>
>John

That's what I want to know Bobby Bishop had one as well and his flewas well.
There are jet model airplanes that are almost as big and they flew too. Does it
have to be a man carrying airplane. How about a fly that farts does that count?
Seems jaun pulled the sheep over somebodys wool :-)

See ya

Chuck S

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

> I throw myself at your collective feet and beg for mercy .. :-)

I marvel at your grovelliness/grovelabilty... ;-p

Never should Yawn or Zzzzoom be entitled to as much...

In article >, Darrel Toepfer says...
>
>ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>
>> I throw myself at your collective feet and beg for mercy .. :-)
>
>I marvel at your grovelliness/grovelabilty... ;-p
>
>Never should Yawn or Zzzzoom be entitled to as much...

What can I say?? when you screw up ya gotta grovel .I learned to be a
grovelcologist when attending Catholic school.Sister Mary Holy Smoke could make
Godzilla grovel LOL!!! Learning the fine art of Grovelcology can come in handy
if one subscribes to the axiom that it is easier to beg forgiveness than ask
permission.A good grovel permitted me to do what I wanted, then Sister would
forgave me. A lot of times I didn't even have to write penance :-)

Chuck (His Grovelness)S

In article >, Richard Riley says...

>:if I erased everything it started a new post. Apologizes to all who were
>:offended,I'm so so so so sorry .I throw myself at your collective feet and beg
>:for mercy ......:-)
>
>I think the mob will forgive you, once you offer them a small quantity
>of Muzzleloader :)

Hmm so you think a small quantity of ML can sooth the torch bearing mob?
Incidently in this production of the "Torch bearing mob" Fats Domino provided
the musical interlude,the torches were on loan from the Boris Karloff museum and
the torch bearing mob was portrayed by none other then Rosie O'Donnell.

Ciao

Chuck (Sanctuary!! Sanctuary!! oops wrong movie) S

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote

> That's what I want to know Bobby Bishop had one as well and his flewas
well.

What happened to that show? Is it still around?

Silly, but one of the things I enjoyed the most from that act was the
landing gear speed demo; "Now you see it, now you don't, you do, you don't,
do, don't, do, don't!

You had to be there, I guess! <bfg>
--
Jim in NC

In article >, Richard Riley says...

>Got the Howitzer going. First batch is pear. Wonderful stuff.
>Working on vacuum, don't have it yet.
>

Hmmm your farther along then me I'm still gathering parts.Show season sure slows
things up.Does it work as planned? Sounds like.

See ya

Chuck

In article >, Richard Riley says...

>A small quantity for each member of the mob? Of course. Either they
>drink it - and forget why they are there -

Agreed

>or some of it spills and is
>lit by the torches. Either way, you're safe.

Ahh then Rosie can be both the mob and the torches save production costs... :-0

See ya

Chuck

John Ammeter wrote:
> How is it that Juan can get the record for the "World's
> Smallest Jet" when it hasn't even flown?? Plus, there's a
> local guy here in Seattle with a BD-5J that's flown in
> several airshows...
>

It's the plane that holds the record, not Juan.
If you reread the article note the use of 'which'
whather than 'whom'.

--

FF

Correct me if I'm wrong (which should start 200 guys salivating)
but wasn't one of the Cri-Cri airframes equipped with twin jet engines?

That thing is smaller than the BD-5...

Richard

Correct me if I'm wrong (which should start 200 guys salivating)
but wasn't one of the Cri-Cri airframes equipped with twin jet engines?

That thing is smaller than the BD-5...

Richard

"Richard Lamb" wrote ...
> Correct me if I'm wrong (which should start 200 guys salivating)
> but wasn't one of the Cri-Cri airframes equipped with twin jet engines?
>
> That thing is smaller than the BD-5...

What, you expected credibility from Jaun??

Rich

Cri-cri has recips. TINY little recips. Never heard of one fitted with
anything but propellers and pistons. TINY little propellers and pistons.

Jim


"Richard Lamb" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Correct me if I'm wrong (which should start 200 guys salivating)
> but wasn't one of the Cri-Cri airframes equipped with twin jet engines?
>
> That thing is smaller than the BD-5...
>
> Richard
>

"RST Engineering" wrote ...
> Cri-cri has recips. TINY little recips. Never heard of one fitted with
> anything but propellers and pistons. TINY little propellers and pistons.

There was one flown using two of those little model airplane jet engines.

Rich

("Richard Isakson" wrote)
>> Cri-cri has recips. TINY little recips. Never heard of one fitted with
>> anything but propellers and pistons. TINY little propellers and pistons.
>
> There was one flown using two of those little model airplane jet engines.


http://www.flight.cz/cricri/english/cri-cri-photos-pictures.php
Cri-Cri jet engine pics


Montblack

In article >, Montblack says...
>
>("Richard Isakson" wrote)
>>> Cri-cri has recips. TINY little recips. Never heard of one fitted with
>>> anything but propellers and pistons. TINY little propellers and pistons.
>>
>> There was one flown using two of those little model airplane jet engines.
>
>
>http://www.flight.cz/cricri/english/cri-cri-photos-pictures.php
>Cri-Cri jet engine pics

I think that settles it the Cri Cri should be the smallest jet . Proof positive
that jaun is as big a phony as zoom LOL!!!

See ya

Chuck (worlds tallest midget) S

Just looked the record up in the online edition and Yaun is listed as
the owner of the worlds smallest jet. Maybe we should let the Guinness
people know that there were others that have owned and flown BD-5J's
long before he ever bought his....

wrote:
> Just looked the record up in the online edition and Yaun is listed as
> the owner of the worlds smallest jet. Maybe we should let the Guinness
> people know that there were others that have owned and flown BD-5J's
> long before he ever bought his....
>


Jaun should be content with holding the record for the "shortest time to
hold a Guinness Record"...

John

John Ammeter wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Just looked the record up in the online edition and Yaun is listed as
>> the owner of the worlds smallest jet. Maybe we should let the Guinness
>> people know that there were others that have owned and flown BD-5J's
>> long before he ever bought his....
>
> Jaun should be content with holding the record for the "shortest time to
> hold a Guinness Record"...

The Cri-Cri weighs 8kg more than Yawn's BD-5J... Or there abouts...

("Richard Riley" wrote)
> I think his claim is based on his using a version of the engine
> without a starter/generator, so it's *lighter* than everyone elses at
> 162 kg. The jet CriCri says it's 170 kg.


http://www.flight.cz/cricri/english/index.php
This page (bottom) says 63 kg and 75 kg ...for the twin prop versions.

They list "Weight at take-off" as "170 kg," which is... 70 kg (Cri-Cri) +
100 kg (220 lbs for pilot and fuel)

Also this quote: "Whole fuselage weight is about 14 kilograms."


Montblack

("Richard Riley" wrote)
[snip]
> But at less than half the weight of the Juan Dart, I think the CriCri
> wins hans down. Along with that "actually flying" thing.


Somewhere out there are photos of two Cri-Cri doing a ballet type acrobatic
routine at OSH - many, many years ago. These were the homebuilts with the
chain-saw engines, not the one with the twin Pratt & Wnitney's.


"Is Cri plural for Cri-Cri?"

Thank you. Steven Wright will be performing at LMAO all next week. Again,
thank you and good-night. :-)


Montblack

"Richard Lamb" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Correct me if I'm wrong (which should start 200 guys salivating)
> but wasn't one of the Cri-Cri airframes equipped with twin jet engines?
>
> That thing is smaller than the BD-5...

No, it is not. The Cri-Cri fuselage is longer than the BD-5J, by several
inches.

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>
> I think that settles it the Cri Cri should be the smallest jet . Proof
> positive
> that jaun is as big a phony as zoom LOL!!!
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck (worlds tallest midget) S

talking out of your ass again, billionaire hero splatman? The Cri-Cri is
LONGER than the BD-5J. That's why the BD-5J has had the smallest jet record
for over 25 years.

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> "Richard Lamb" wrote ...
>> Correct me if I'm wrong (which should start 200 guys salivating)
>> but wasn't one of the Cri-Cri airframes equipped with twin jet engines?
>>
>> That thing is smaller than the BD-5...
>
> What, you expected credibility from Jaun??

As opposed to expecting intelligence from you? If you had the mental
capacity to Google for cri-cri and aircraft, and then BD-5J, you'd see the
Cri-Cri is 12 feet, 10 inches long. The BD-5J is 12 feet, 5 inches long.
That's why the BD-5J has held the record for more than 25 years.

("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
>> That thing is smaller than the BD-5...

> No, it is not. The Cri-Cri fuselage is longer than the BD-5J, by several
> inches.


Wingspan? Weight?

Cri-Cri is much SMALLER than than the BD-5, even if it is a few inches
longer.


Montblack

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
>>> That thing is smaller than the BD-5...
>
>> No, it is not. The Cri-Cri fuselage is longer than the BD-5J, by several
>> inches.
>
> Wingspan? Weight?
>
> Cri-Cri is much SMALLER than than the BD-5, even if it is a few inches
> longer.

<bzzzz!> Smaller, but wait. it's longer! LOL! Wrong answer, kiddo. To earn
the record you have to beat the dimensions in BOTH width and length. If you
are the same dimensions, only then does weight come into play, which is how
I earned the record by completing a BD-5J 80 lbs lighter than the previous
record holder. Period, end of story.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:36:03 -0400, "Juan Jimenez" >
wrote:

>
>"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I think that settles it the Cri Cri should be the smallest jet . Proof
>> positive
>> that jaun is as big a phony as zoom LOL!!!
>>
>> See ya
>>
>> Chuck (worlds tallest midget) S
>
>talking out of your ass again, billionaire hero splatman? The Cri-Cri is
>LONGER than the BD-5J. That's why the BD-5J has had the smallest jet record
>for over 25 years.

So if you're standing beside someone who's a half-inch taller, a foot
narrower, and weighs a hundred pounds less than you, you'd rate
yourself the smaller man? Somehow that actually makes sense...

Wayne

Juan,

How does your BD-5J fly? How would you compare it to other small jet
aircraft? Is it quicker to roll and get off the ground?

How many hours do you have on your completed BD-5J and when did you
complete it? Did you build it from "scratch" or from a kit? How many
hours did it take for you to build it?

How about a short but detailed story of how it flys??

I'm surprised you haven't been telling us how much you love it and the
way it flys. I know that when I flew my RV-6 for the first time it was
an amazing feeling. To actually fly in an aircraft that I'd spent
almost 2500 hours building... when it left the ground on it's own power
it was the most exhilerating feeling I've ever had...

John

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
>>
>>>>That thing is smaller than the BD-5...
>>
>>>No, it is not. The Cri-Cri fuselage is longer than the BD-5J, by several
>>>inches.
>>
>>Wingspan? Weight?
>>
>>Cri-Cri is much SMALLER than than the BD-5, even if it is a few inches
>>longer.
>
>
> <bzzzz!> Smaller, but wait. it's longer! LOL! Wrong answer, kiddo. To earn
> the record you have to beat the dimensions in BOTH width and length. If you
> are the same dimensions, only then does weight come into play, which is how
> I earned the record by completing a BD-5J 80 lbs lighter than the previous
> record holder. Period, end of story.
>
>

"Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>which is how
> I earned the record by completing a BD-5J 80 lbs lighter than the previous
> record holder. Period, end of story.

An airplane that can't fly is no airplane at all. A turbine engine that was
design to flown only on a disposable drone and never intended to be man
rated is flown only by a fool.

Rich

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
>>
>>>>That thing is smaller than the BD-5...
>>
>>>No, it is not. The Cri-Cri fuselage is longer than the BD-5J, by several
>>>inches.
>>
>>Wingspan? Weight?
>>
>>Cri-Cri is much SMALLER than than the BD-5, even if it is a few inches
>>longer.
>
>
> <bzzzz!> Smaller, but wait. it's longer! LOL! Wrong answer, kiddo. To earn
> the record you have to beat the dimensions in BOTH width and length. If you
> are the same dimensions, only then does weight come into play, which is how
> I earned the record by completing a BD-5J 80 lbs lighter than the previous
> record holder. Period, end of story.
>
>
But, yawn, with you in it will never fly even with that 80 pounds
you supposedly saved. Can you even fit in it? Will it ever fly? Will it
ever fly with you in it?


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> "Juan Jimenez" wrote ...
>>which is how
>> I earned the record by completing a BD-5J 80 lbs lighter than the
>> previous
>> record holder. Period, end of story.
>
> An airplane that can't fly is no airplane at all. A turbine engine that
> was
> design to flown only on a disposable drone and never intended to be man
> rated is flown only by a fool.
>
> Rich

Only a fool like you opens his mouth without doing his homework.

From the Microturbo brochure for the 022 Couguar engine, 4/71 rev.

"The COUGUAR engine is a single-entry, single-spool turbojet, designed for
powering small aircraft and remotely controlled target drones."

It's immediate succesor, the TRS-18-046, in the same thrust class and using
essentially the same design (so close, in fact, that the starter generator
for the TRS-18 fits into the nosecone of the 022 Cougar, and it uses
essentially the same analog computer and fuel spill valve, with a slightly
different magnetic pickup for RPM signal generation), holds FAA type
certificate E13CE, obtained by Ames Industrial Corp. as the sole distributor
and licensee for Microturbo in the US at the time.

As to the Turana, it was designed and flown as a _reusable_ target drone,
not a disposable drone. Ask the Australian national archives to send you the
pile of archives they sent me when I asked for info.

As to the comment that an airplane that can't fly is no airplane at all,
I'll leave that one open for the entertainment of the peanut gallery. I can
still hear them laughing.

Any more questions, fool? No? Shake your head from side to side. There you
go! Good! That's the first smart thing you've done all day.

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:G86Se.8382$dm.4576@lakeread03...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>> "Montblack" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
>>>
>>>>>That thing is smaller than the BD-5...
>>>
>>>>No, it is not. The Cri-Cri fuselage is longer than the BD-5J, by several
>>>>inches.
>>>
>>>Wingspan? Weight?
>>>
>>>Cri-Cri is much SMALLER than than the BD-5, even if it is a few inches
>>>longer.
>>
>>
>> <bzzzz!> Smaller, but wait. it's longer! LOL! Wrong answer, kiddo. To
>> earn the record you have to beat the dimensions in BOTH width and length.
>> If you are the same dimensions, only then does weight come into play,
>> which is how I earned the record by completing a BD-5J 80 lbs lighter
>> than the previous record holder. Period, end of story.
> But, yawn, with you in it will never fly even with that 80 pounds you
> supposedly saved. Can you even fit in it? Will it ever fly? Will it ever
> fly with you in it?

What do you think, Dan? Do you assume everyone has the same problems as you
when you try to get into an airplane... any airplane? Is that what you
discuss in your therapy groups on alt.nude?

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
> news:G86Se.8382$dm.4576@lakeread03...
>
>>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>That thing is smaller than the BD-5...
>>>>
>>>>>No, it is not. The Cri-Cri fuselage is longer than the BD-5J, by several
>>>>>inches.
>>>>
>>>>Wingspan? Weight?
>>>>
>>>>Cri-Cri is much SMALLER than than the BD-5, even if it is a few inches
>>>>longer.
>>>
>>>
>>><bzzzz!> Smaller, but wait. it's longer! LOL! Wrong answer, kiddo. To
>>>earn the record you have to beat the dimensions in BOTH width and length.
>>>If you are the same dimensions, only then does weight come into play,
>>>which is how I earned the record by completing a BD-5J 80 lbs lighter
>>>than the previous record holder. Period, end of story.
>>
>> But, yawn, with you in it will never fly even with that 80 pounds you
>>supposedly saved. Can you even fit in it? Will it ever fly? Will it ever
>>fly with you in it?
>
>
> What do you think, Dan? Do you assume everyone has the same problems as you
> when you try to get into an airplane... any airplane? Is that what you
> discuss in your therapy groups on alt.nude?
>
I have seen your picture, yawn. Now, will it ever fly with or with
out you?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:xu6Se.8389$dm.2729@lakeread03...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>> "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
>> news:G86Se.8382$dm.4576@lakeread03...
>>
>>>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>That thing is smaller than the BD-5...
>>>>>
>>>>>>No, it is not. The Cri-Cri fuselage is longer than the BD-5J, by
>>>>>>several inches.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wingspan? Weight?
>>>>>
>>>>>Cri-Cri is much SMALLER than than the BD-5, even if it is a few inches
>>>>>longer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><bzzzz!> Smaller, but wait. it's longer! LOL! Wrong answer, kiddo. To
>>>>earn the record you have to beat the dimensions in BOTH width and
>>>>length. If you are the same dimensions, only then does weight come into
>>>>play, which is how I earned the record by completing a BD-5J 80 lbs
>>>>lighter than the previous record holder. Period, end of story.
>>>
>>> But, yawn, with you in it will never fly even with that 80 pounds you
>>> supposedly saved. Can you even fit in it? Will it ever fly? Will it ever
>>> fly with you in it?
>>
>>
>> What do you think, Dan? Do you assume everyone has the same problems as
>> you when you try to get into an airplane... any airplane? Is that what
>> you discuss in your therapy groups on alt.nude?
> I have seen your picture, yawn. Now, will it ever fly with or with out
> you?

That's for me to know and for you to wonder about. I'd give you the W&B
number but I doubt you can handle the arithmetic, even with the 14 toes.

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
> news:xu6Se.8389$dm.2729@lakeread03...
>
>>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
>>>news:G86Se.8382$dm.4576@lakeread03...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>("Juan Jimenez" wrote)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That thing is smaller than the BD-5...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, it is not. The Cri-Cri fuselage is longer than the BD-5J, by
>>>>>>>several inches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wingspan? Weight?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cri-Cri is much SMALLER than than the BD-5, even if it is a few inches
>>>>>>longer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><bzzzz!> Smaller, but wait. it's longer! LOL! Wrong answer, kiddo. To
>>>>>earn the record you have to beat the dimensions in BOTH width and
>>>>>length. If you are the same dimensions, only then does weight come into
>>>>>play, which is how I earned the record by completing a BD-5J 80 lbs
>>>>>lighter than the previous record holder. Period, end of story.
>>>>
>>>> But, yawn, with you in it will never fly even with that 80 pounds you
>>>>supposedly saved. Can you even fit in it? Will it ever fly? Will it ever
>>>>fly with you in it?
>>>
>>>
>>>What do you think, Dan? Do you assume everyone has the same problems as
>>>you when you try to get into an airplane... any airplane? Is that what
>>>you discuss in your therapy groups on alt.nude?
>>
>> I have seen your picture, yawn. Now, will it ever fly with or with out
>>you?
>
>
> That's for me to know and for you to wonder about. I'd give you the W&B
> number but I doubt you can handle the arithmetic, even with the 14 toes.
>
>
Let's see, you bought it already built, you tried to sell it, you
selected an engine with a service life of 50 hours, came here asking for
advice on the engine etc. How many more years are you going to drag this
out? If you are afraid to fly it admit it and go on.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:1D6Se.8392$dm.7761@lakeread03...
>
> Let's see, you bought it already built,

<strike one, it was a project, not already built.>

> you tried to sell it

<yup!>

> you selected an engine with a service life of 50 hours

<strike two, the 022 Couguar has the same TBO as the TRS-18, 300 hours
before teardown and inspection, the rest of the time on-condition>

> came here asking for advice on the engine etc.

<strike three, not on the engine, on issues related air impingement start in
general>

> How many more years are you going to drag this out?

As long as it takes to make sure it's right before it flies. I know, this is
a concept that is well beyond your mental capacity to understand. It'll come
to you, give it time. <chuckle>

> If you are afraid to fly it admit it and go on.

What are you afraid of, Dan? That you'll run out of inane comments not even
a 10 yr old would find worthy of answering? Is that why you make infantile
statements like this? Must be related to your similar penchant for telling
people on alt.nude how to properly spell "masturbate." :)

Juan

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:1D6Se.8392$dm.7761@lakeread03...
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

BTW, Bisbee, you ought to talk to your high school chums and tell them not
so be so talkative about you and your weird high school days. If you only
knew half the things they say about you... makes your rec.nude antics seem
tame by comparison.

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
> news:1D6Se.8392$dm.7761@lakeread03...

>
>
> What are you afraid of, Dan? That you'll run out of inane comments not even
> a 10 yr old would find worthy of answering? Is that why you make infantile
> statements like this? Must be related to your similar penchant for telling
> people on alt.nude how to properly spell "masturbate." :)
>
> Juan
>
>
Gee Juan what are YOU doing reading "alt.nude? <smirk>

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
> news:1D6Se.8392$dm.7761@lakeread03...
>
>> Let's see, you bought it already built,
>
>
> <strike one, it was a project, not already built.>
>

OK, 98% built bye your own admission.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Jerry Springer" > wrote in message
...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
>> news:1D6Se.8392$dm.7761@lakeread03...
>
>>
>>
>> What are you afraid of, Dan? That you'll run out of inane comments not
>> even a 10 yr old would find worthy of answering? Is that why you make
>> infantile statements like this? Must be related to your similar penchant
>> for telling people on alt.nude how to properly spell "masturbate." :)
>>
>> Juan
> Gee Juan what are YOU doing reading "alt.nude? <smirk>

It's rec.nude, and it's what comes up when you google for Dannyboy Get Over
It's email address. Give it a try. You'll be surprised.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
>
>...
> How many more years are you going to drag this
> out? If you are afraid to fly it admit it and go on.
>

Dan,

You come accross as one of the more level-headed people
here on this list. Do you really want to goad this guy
into killing himself?

Besides, when hit hits the ground he might hit a bystander.

--

FF

wrote:
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
>
>>...
>>How many more years are you going to drag this
>>out? If you are afraid to fly it admit it and go on.
>>
>
>
> Dan,
>
> You come accross as one of the more level-headed people
> here on this list. Do you really want to goad this guy
> into killing himself?
>
> Besides, when hit hits the ground he might hit a bystander.
>
Good point, we can't have any property or innocent bystanders harmed.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

wrote:
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
> >
> >...
> > How many more years are you going to drag this
> > out? If you are afraid to fly it admit it and go on.
> >
>
> Dan,
>
> You come accross as one of the more level-headed people
> here on this list. Do you really want to goad this guy
> into killing himself?
>
> Besides, when hit hits the ground he might hit a bystander.
>
> --
>
> FF

Fear not, nobody will ever goad Jaun into flying the BD-5J, even he
isn't that stupid...I HOPE!

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
>>
>>...
>> How many more years are you going to drag this
>> out? If you are afraid to fly it admit it and go on.
>>
>
> Dan,
>
> You come accross as one of the more level-headed people
> here on this list. Do you really want to goad this guy
> into killing himself?
>
> Besides, when hit hits the ground he might hit a bystander.

Hmnm, you're confusing me with someone else, another RAH gaggler who crashed
after an engine failure.

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
>>
>>>...
>>>How many more years are you going to drag this
>>>out? If you are afraid to fly it admit it and go on.
>>>
>>
>>Dan,
>>
>>You come accross as one of the more level-headed people
>>here on this list. Do you really want to goad this guy
>>into killing himself?
>>
>>Besides, when hit hits the ground he might hit a bystander.
>
>
> Hmnm, you're confusing me with someone else, another RAH gaggler who crashed
> after an engine failure.
>
>
No, yawn, he was referring to you. He doesn't want you to attempt a
flight in your hangar queen. He's concerned for the damage to property
or the deaths of innocent bystanders when it drops out of the sky or
follows a ballistic trajectory. This assumes it can ever get off the
ground. Have you ever even taxied it or do you just fondle it from time
to time?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> > > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> >
> >>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
> >>
> >>>...
> >>>How many more years are you going to drag this
> >>>out? If you are afraid to fly it admit it and go on.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Dan,
> >>
> >>You come accross as one of the more level-headed people
> >>here on this list. Do you really want to goad this guy
> >>into killing himself?
> >>
> >>Besides, when hit hits the ground he might hit a bystander.
> >
> >
> > Hmnm, you're confusing me with someone else, another RAH gaggler who crashed
> > after an engine failure.
> >
> >
> No, yawn, he was referring to you. He doesn't want you to attempt a
> flight in your hangar queen. He's concerned for the damage to property
> or the deaths of innocent bystanders when it drops out of the sky or
> follows a ballistic trajectory. This assumes it can ever get off the
> ground. Have you ever even taxied it or do you just fondle it from time
> to time?
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
-------------------------------------------
or do you just fondle it from time
> to time?
--------------------------------------------

God! Thanks for ruining my supper. That brought up about the ugliest
mental picture I have ever had.

Harry K

Harry K wrote:

> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
>
>>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>>
> wrote in message
ups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>...
>>>>>How many more years are you going to drag this
>>>>>out? If you are afraid to fly it admit it and go on.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dan,
>>>>
>>>>You come accross as one of the more level-headed people
>>>>here on this list. Do you really want to goad this guy
>>>>into killing himself?
>>>>
>>>>Besides, when hit hits the ground he might hit a bystander.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hmnm, you're confusing me with someone else, another RAH gaggler who crashed
>>>after an engine failure.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, yawn, he was referring to you. He doesn't want you to attempt a
>>flight in your hangar queen. He's concerned for the damage to property
>>or the deaths of innocent bystanders when it drops out of the sky or
>>follows a ballistic trajectory. This assumes it can ever get off the
>>ground. Have you ever even taxied it or do you just fondle it from time
>>to time?
>>
>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> -------------------------------------------
> or do you just fondle it from time
>
>>to time?
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> God! Thanks for ruining my supper. That brought up about the ugliest
> mental picture I have ever had.
>
> Harry K
>
I apologize.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:34KSe.8682$dm.7333@lakeread03...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>
>>>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
>>>
>>>>...
>>>>How many more years are you going to drag this
>>>>out? If you are afraid to fly it admit it and go on.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Dan,
>>>
>>>You come accross as one of the more level-headed people
>>>here on this list. Do you really want to goad this guy
>>>into killing himself?
>>>
>>>Besides, when hit hits the ground he might hit a bystander.
>>
>>
>> Hmnm, you're confusing me with someone else, another RAH gaggler who
>> crashed after an engine failure.
> No, yawn, he was referring to you.

No, Bisbee, no one was talking to you. The only one who has crashed around
here is one of your own gaggle. Besides, what are you talking about, you
can't even keep a marriage together, let alone an airplane. Shoo. Get over
it.

Juan Jimenez wrote:


> No, Bisbee, no one was talking to you. The only one who has crashed around
> here is one of your own gaggle. Besides, what are you talking about, you
> can't even keep a marriage together, let alone an airplane. Shoo. Get over
> it.

You have to fly it first to be able to crash it!
John

UltraJohn wrote:
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>
> > No, Bisbee, no one was talking to you.

This is a UseNet Newsgroup. We all talk to each other, and to
whomsoever reads the archives later, each time we post.

> > The only one who has crashed around
> > here is one of your own gaggle. Besides, what are you talking about, you
> > can't even keep a marriage together, let alone an airplane. Shoo. Get over
> > it.
>
> You have to fly it first to be able to crash it!
>

Not really but no doubt the result is generally a bit more spectacular.

BTW, Mr Jimenez, you mentioned that your engine was lighter than that
used in the other BD4Js. Others have suggested that it is lighter
by virtue of not having an integral starter.

How hard is it to start the engine?

--

FF

wrote:

> UltraJohn wrote:
>
>>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>No, Bisbee, no one was talking to you.
>
>
> This is a UseNet Newsgroup. We all talk to each other, and to
> whomsoever reads the archives later, each time we post.
>
>
>>>The only one who has crashed around
>>>here is one of your own gaggle. Besides, what are you talking about, you
>>>can't even keep a marriage together, let alone an airplane. Shoo. Get over
>>>it.
>>
>>You have to fly it first to be able to crash it!
>>
>
>
> Not really but no doubt the result is generally a bit more spectacular.
>
> BTW, Mr Jimenez, you mentioned that your engine was lighter than that
> used in the other BD4Js. Others have suggested that it is lighter
> by virtue of not having an integral starter.
>
> How hard is it to start the engine?
>
He turn on the ignition, cracks the throttle and sucks on the
exhaust pipe?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > skrev i meddelandet
news:t00Te.9077$dm.6785@lakeread03...
> wrote:
>
> > UltraJohn wrote:
> >
> >>Juan Jimenez wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>No, Bisbee, no one was talking to you.
> >
> >
> > This is a UseNet Newsgroup. We all talk to each other, and to
> > whomsoever reads the archives later, each time we post.
> >
> >
> >>>The only one who has crashed around
> >>>here is one of your own gaggle. Besides, what are you talking about,
you
> >>>can't even keep a marriage together, let alone an airplane. Shoo. Get
over
> >>>it.
> >>
> >>You have to fly it first to be able to crash it!
> >>
> >
> >
> > Not really but no doubt the result is generally a bit more spectacular.
> >
> > BTW, Mr Jimenez, you mentioned that your engine was lighter than that
> > used in the other BD4Js. Others have suggested that it is lighter
> > by virtue of not having an integral starter.
> >
> > How hard is it to start the engine?
> >
> He turn on the ignition, cracks the throttle and sucks on the
> exhaust pipe?
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

It is intentionally left out, no start the engine, no fly away, no risk
and Captain J.J. can not please us with a spectacular exit...!

ower

"UltraJohn" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>
>> No, Bisbee, no one was talking to you. The only one who has crashed
>> around
>> here is one of your own gaggle. Besides, what are you talking about, you
>> can't even keep a marriage together, let alone an airplane. Shoo. Get
>> over
>> it.
>
> You have to fly it first to be able to crash it!
> John

Good point. did you hear that, frisbee?

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> This is a UseNet Newsgroup. We all talk to each other, and to
> whomsoever reads the archives later, each time we post.

No, in _this_ planet we point out when people should keep their mouths shut.
:)

> BTW, Mr Jimenez, you mentioned that your engine was lighter than that
> used in the other BD4Js. Others have suggested that it is lighter
> by virtue of not having an integral starter.

There are no BD-4J's. It's a BD-5J. The 022 Couguar weighs 68 lbs soaking
wet. It has no starter/generator.

> How hard is it to start the engine?

Not hard at all. Ignition on, fuel pump on, 145 psi, wait for 11-13% N1,
fuel solenoid valve on, light off.

Juan

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> UltraJohn wrote:
>>
>>> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> No, Bisbee, no one was talking to you.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a UseNet Newsgroup. We all talk to each other, and to
>> whomsoever reads the archives later, each time we post.
>>
>>
>>>> The only one who has crashed around
>>>> here is one of your own gaggle. Besides, what are you talking about,
>>>> you
>>>> can't even keep a marriage together, let alone an airplane. Shoo.
>>>> Get over
>>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>> You have to fly it first to be able to crash it!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not really but no doubt the result is generally a bit more spectacular.
>>
>> BTW, Mr Jimenez, you mentioned that your engine was lighter than that
>> used in the other BD4Js. Others have suggested that it is lighter
>> by virtue of not having an integral starter.
>>
>> How hard is it to start the engine?
>
> He turn on the ignition, cracks the throttle and sucks on the exhaust
> pipe?
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Don't you mean "sucks on a crack pipe?"

Tony

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
> There are no BD-4J's. It's a BD-5J. The 022 Couguar weighs 68 lbs soaking
> wet. It has no starter/generator.

Hmm, shifts the CG forward a tad reducing the counterweight
needed up front, and thereby the total weight by a bit more too,
right? Or don't the 5js need a forward counterweight.

>
> > How hard is it to start the engine?
>
> Not hard at all. Ignition on, fuel pump on, 145 psi, wait for 11-13% N1,
> fuel solenoid valve on, light off.
>

OK, what's 'N1'?

And what happens next after 'light off'?

--

FF

wrote:

> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> wrote in message
ups.com...
>>
>>There are no BD-4J's. It's a BD-5J. The 022 Couguar weighs 68 lbs soaking
>>wet. It has no starter/generator.
>
>
> Hmm, shifts the CG forward a tad reducing the counterweight
> needed up front, and thereby the total weight by a bit more too,
> right? Or don't the 5js need a forward counterweight.
>
>
>>>How hard is it to start the engine?
>>
>>Not hard at all. Ignition on, fuel pump on, 145 psi, wait for 11-13% N1,
>>fuel solenoid valve on, light off.
>>
>
>
> OK, what's 'N1'?
>
> And what happens next after 'light off'?
>
N1 is turbine one in a two spool engine, N2 would be spool 2. He's
using the term to impress us since his motor is single spool. I think he
means "light off" as "turn the lights off so the fire department won't
be distracted when they come to put out the fire."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Hmm, shifts the CG forward a tad reducing the counterweight
> needed up front, and thereby the total weight by a bit more too,
> right? Or don't the 5js need a forward counterweight.

That's a very good observation. Yes, it does. On most BD-5J's you are
required to have some type of ballast on the nose, usually lead bars. On
Bishop's jets, the ones being used for surrogate cruise missile work for the
military, we resolved this by replacing the huge NICAD batteries with gel
cells and moving them forward behind the panel. We also moved just about
everything else that could fit in there. The specialists who did the
installation said they had never before managed to fit 2 pounds of **** in a
1 pound box. I can send you pictures of that installation if you like, it's
amazing. I designed the panel layout but the real work was done by the
installers.

> OK, what's 'N1'?

N1 is the turbine rotation speed, expressed in percentage. This is a
plain-jane turbojet.

> And what happens next after 'light off'?

Watch your EGT, don't let it go too high, slowly bring the RPM up to a
stabilized idle around 51-55%. Make sure everything's in the green. It's
really a very simple setup.

Juan

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:YxoTe.9697$dm.8569@lakeread03...
> wrote:
>
> N1 is turbine one in a two spool engine, N2 would be spool 2. He's
> using the term to impress us since his motor is single spool.

Doubtful, Frisbee. That's your style, not mine. N1 is the term for turbine
RPM speed used in all single-spool turbines.

Get over it. :)

Juan

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> ...
>
> N1 is the turbine rotation speed, expressed in percentage. This is a
> plain-jane turbojet.
>
> > And what happens next after 'light off'?
>
> Watch your EGT, don't let it go too high, slowly bring the RPM up to a
> stabilized idle around 51-55%. ...

And after that?

--

FF

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
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>
wrote:
>>
>> N1 is turbine one in a two spool engine, N2 would be spool 2. He's
>>using the term to impress us since his motor is single spool.
>
>
> Doubtful, Frisbee. That's your style, not mine. N1 is the term for turbine
> RPM speed used in all single-spool turbines.
>
> Get over it. :)
>
> Juan
>
>
I worked on several jets with single spools. Not one used N1, it was
simply RPM.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

wrote:

> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
>>...
>>
>>N1 is the turbine rotation speed, expressed in percentage. This is a
>>plain-jane turbojet.
>>
>>
>>>And what happens next after 'light off'?
>>
>>Watch your EGT, don't let it go too high, slowly bring the RPM up to a
>>stabilized idle around 51-55%. ...
>
>
> And after that?
>
He's never got that far.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Juan Jimenez wrote:

> > wrote in message
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>
>>Hmm, shifts the CG forward a tad reducing the counterweight
>>needed up front, and thereby the total weight by a bit more too,
>>right? Or don't the 5js need a forward counterweight.
>
>
> That's a very good observation. Yes, it does. On most BD-5J's you are
> required to have some type of ballast on the nose, usually lead bars. On
> Bishop's jets, the ones being used for surrogate cruise missile work for the
> military, we resolved this by replacing the huge NICAD batteries with gel
> cells and moving them forward behind the panel. We also moved just about
> everything else that could fit in there. The specialists who did the
> installation said they had never before managed to fit 2 pounds of **** in a
> 1 pound box. I can send you pictures of that installation if you like, it's
> amazing. I designed the panel layout but the real work was done by the
> installers.
>
>
OK, you bought the project 98% complete then pay other people to do
your work for you. Have you done anything at all on it?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >
> >>Hmm, shifts the CG forward a tad reducing the counterweight
> >>needed up front, and thereby the total weight by a bit more too,
> >>right? Or don't the 5js need a forward counterweight.
> >
> >
> > That's a very good observation. Yes, it does. On most BD-5J's you are
> > required to have some type of ballast on the nose, usually lead bars. On
> > Bishop's jets, the ones being used for surrogate cruise missile work for the
> > military, we resolved this by replacing the huge NICAD batteries with gel
> > cells and moving them forward behind the panel. We also moved just about
> > everything else that could fit in there. The specialists who did the
> > installation said they had never before managed to fit 2 pounds of **** in a
> > 1 pound box. I can send you pictures of that installation if you like, it's
> > amazing. I designed the panel layout but the real work was done by the
> > installers.
> >
> >
> OK, you bought the project 98% complete then pay other people to do
> your work for you. Have you done anything at all on it?
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

We sure know he hasn't flown it!

> wrote in message
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>
> Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> N1 is the turbine rotation speed, expressed in percentage. This is a
>> plain-jane turbojet.
>>
>> > And what happens next after 'light off'?
>>
>> Watch your EGT, don't let it go too high, slowly bring the RPM up to a
>> stabilized idle around 51-55%. ...
>
> And after that?

You operate it as with any other turbojet, and monitor the instruments.

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
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>
> I worked on several jets with single spools. Not one used N1, it was
> simply RPM.

Nothing I can do about ancient history.

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" > wrote in message
news:tTuTe.9730$dm.314@lakeread03...
>
> OK, you bought the project 98% complete then pay other people to do your
> work for you. Have you done anything at all on it?

I can't help it if your reading skills will not allow you to read logs.
Maybe you can get your ex-wife to do that for you. Or are you paying someone
else to work on her? :)

"BobR" > wrote in message
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>
> We sure know he hasn't flown it!

D-ooh! Yuk! You think, BillyBob!? <chuckle>