Greetings all;

What do you recommend for preparation for an Instrument Proficiency Check?
Is there any written or video material that is specifically geared for this,
or is the original IFR training material better?

Thanks for any insight!
Jeffrey

Jeffrey > wrote:
>What do you recommend for preparation for an Instrument Proficiency Check?
>Is there any written or video material that is specifically geared for this,
>or is the original IFR training material better?

Look in the front of the instrument PTS; there's a table showing what
tasks are required for the IPC. To a reasonable approximation, you
should expect an IPC to just like your checkride.

When I give an IPC, I ask the student to plan an IFR flight (I tell
them the destination before hand). We'll go over their flight
planning and I'll ask them to give me a go/no-go decision based on
the current weather. I'll do a chart review (to make sure they know
what all the symbols mean), go over regulatory issues (required
reserves, alternates, currency, equipment, minimums, etc) and then
we'll go flying.

In the air, I want to see a VOR approach and a hold flown using just
the raw NAV radios and CDIs, a GPS approach, and a partial panel ILS.
I'll also want to see them demonstrate that they can use all the
equipment in the plane, i.e. if the plane has an autopilot, make sure
they know how to use it and deal with failures, etc. Sometimes that
means more than the minimum three approaches (i.e. I'll ask for a
coupled ILS with everything working and also for a partial/panel ILS
hand flown).

Can one fail an IPC?
"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Jeffrey > wrote:
>>What do you recommend for preparation for an Instrument Proficiency Check?
>>Is there any written or video material that is specifically geared for
>>this,
>>or is the original IFR training material better?
>
> Look in the front of the instrument PTS; there's a table showing what
> tasks are required for the IPC. To a reasonable approximation, you
> should expect an IPC to just like your checkride.
>
> When I give an IPC, I ask the student to plan an IFR flight (I tell
> them the destination before hand). We'll go over their flight
> planning and I'll ask them to give me a go/no-go decision based on
> the current weather. I'll do a chart review (to make sure they know
> what all the symbols mean), go over regulatory issues (required
> reserves, alternates, currency, equipment, minimums, etc) and then
> we'll go flying.
>
> In the air, I want to see a VOR approach and a hold flown using just
> the raw NAV radios and CDIs, a GPS approach, and a partial panel ILS.
> I'll also want to see them demonstrate that they can use all the
> equipment in the plane, i.e. if the plane has an autopilot, make sure
> they know how to use it and deal with failures, etc. Sometimes that
> means more than the minimum three approaches (i.e. I'll ask for a
> coupled ILS with everything working and also for a partial/panel ILS
> hand flown).
>

In article >,
pgbnh > wrote:
>Can one fail an IPC?

That depends on the definition of "fail" :-)

Certainly, one can fail to complete it, in which case the instructor
simply doesn't give you the IPC endorsement in your logbook. But,
there won't be any "Failed IPC" logged, nor will there be a failure
notification sent to the FAA like when you fail a checkride.

Here's an interesting twist: you've got 3 approaches logged in the
last 6 months, and decide rather than just going up and flying 3 more
with a safety pilot to get legal again, you're going to take an IPC.
You don't fly to the PTS standards, so your IPC instructor does not
sign you off for the IPC. However, you have just flown three more
approaches, bringing your total for the last 6 months up to 6 (and
presumably all the other silly stuff like doing a hold). Presto, in
the course of "failing" an IPC, you have just become legally current
again. Deciding if this makes sense is left as an excercise for the
reader.

That's a pretty productive way of failing to complete an IPC. You
pretty much know if you're not making the grade as the IPC progresses
and hopefully that right there should be an indicator that perhaps some
rest and reflection and another flight are in order. An instructor that
signs you off for an IPC when you have flown sub-optimally is not doing
you, or those you share the skies with any favors.

Robert

Roy Smith wrote:
> In article >,
> pgbnh > wrote:
>
>>Can one fail an IPC?
>
>
> That depends on the definition of "fail" :-)
>
> Certainly, one can fail to complete it, in which case the instructor
> simply doesn't give you the IPC endorsement in your logbook. But,
> there won't be any "Failed IPC" logged, nor will there be a failure
> notification sent to the FAA like when you fail a checkride.
>
> Here's an interesting twist: you've got 3 approaches logged in the
> last 6 months, and decide rather than just going up and flying 3 more
> with a safety pilot to get legal again, you're going to take an IPC.
> You don't fly to the PTS standards, so your IPC instructor does not
> sign you off for the IPC. However, you have just flown three more
> approaches, bringing your total for the last 6 months up to 6 (and
> presumably all the other silly stuff like doing a hold). Presto, in
> the course of "failing" an IPC, you have just become legally current
> again. Deciding if this makes sense is left as an excercise for the
> reader.

I agree with that outline. In addition I would talk with
the pilot to learn what his experience, recent and total is,
what their opinion is of their skill level and then try to
work that into the flight.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
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"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
| Jeffrey > wrote:
| >What do you recommend for preparation for an Instrument
Proficiency Check?
| >Is there any written or video material that is
specifically geared for this,
| >or is the original IFR training material better?
|
| Look in the front of the instrument PTS; there's a table
showing what
| tasks are required for the IPC. To a reasonable
approximation, you
| should expect an IPC to just like your checkride.
|
| When I give an IPC, I ask the student to plan an IFR
flight (I tell
| them the destination before hand). We'll go over their
flight
| planning and I'll ask them to give me a go/no-go decision
based on
| the current weather. I'll do a chart review (to make sure
they know
| what all the symbols mean), go over regulatory issues
(required
| reserves, alternates, currency, equipment, minimums, etc)
and then
| we'll go flying.
|
| In the air, I want to see a VOR approach and a hold flown
using just
| the raw NAV radios and CDIs, a GPS approach, and a partial
panel ILS.
| I'll also want to see them demonstrate that they can use
all the
| equipment in the plane, i.e. if the plane has an
autopilot, make sure
| they know how to use it and deal with failures, etc.
Sometimes that
| means more than the minimum three approaches (i.e. I'll
ask for a
| coupled ILS with everything working and also for a
partial/panel ILS
| hand flown).
|

Yes, it has required standards, it is a proficiency check.
But the logbook will only show IFR dual for a part 61 check.
But a Part 121 or 135 IPC will be logged as a failure.

I Flight review standard is "safe pilot" and an unsafe pilot
will not get the flight review endorsement, just an entry
for dual.

--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.



"pgbnh" > wrote in message
...
| Can one fail an IPC?



| "Roy Smith" > wrote in message
| ...
| > Jeffrey > wrote:
| >>What do you recommend for preparation for an Instrument
Proficiency Check?
| >>Is there any written or video material that is
specifically geared for
| >>this,
| >>or is the original IFR training material better?
| >
| > Look in the front of the instrument PTS; there's a table
showing what
| > tasks are required for the IPC. To a reasonable
approximation, you
| > should expect an IPC to just like your checkride.
| >
| > When I give an IPC, I ask the student to plan an IFR
flight (I tell
| > them the destination before hand). We'll go over their
flight
| > planning and I'll ask them to give me a go/no-go
decision based on
| > the current weather. I'll do a chart review (to make
sure they know
| > what all the symbols mean), go over regulatory issues
(required
| > reserves, alternates, currency, equipment, minimums,
etc) and then
| > we'll go flying.
| >
| > In the air, I want to see a VOR approach and a hold
flown using just
| > the raw NAV radios and CDIs, a GPS approach, and a
partial panel ILS.
| > I'll also want to see them demonstrate that they can use
all the
| > equipment in the plane, i.e. if the plane has an
autopilot, make sure
| > they know how to use it and deal with failures, etc.
Sometimes that
| > means more than the minimum three approaches (i.e. I'll
ask for a
| > coupled ILS with everything working and also for a
partial/panel ILS
| > hand flown).
| >
|
|

Pilot survival instinct and training should have all
instrument pilots demanding that they be really current,
after all they are most likely to kill themselves and their
families.

Its kind of like brain surgery, a good doctor and clean
operating room costs a lot more than the witch doctor in an
alley, your choice.



"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
| In article >,
| pgbnh > wrote:
| >Can one fail an IPC?
|
| That depends on the definition of "fail" :-)
|
| Certainly, one can fail to complete it, in which case the
instructor
| simply doesn't give you the IPC endorsement in your
logbook. But,
| there won't be any "Failed IPC" logged, nor will there be
a failure
| notification sent to the FAA like when you fail a
checkride.
|
| Here's an interesting twist: you've got 3 approaches
logged in the
| last 6 months, and decide rather than just going up and
flying 3 more
| with a safety pilot to get legal again, you're going to
take an IPC.
| You don't fly to the PTS standards, so your IPC instructor
does not
| sign you off for the IPC. However, you have just flown
three more
| approaches, bringing your total for the last 6 months up
to 6 (and
| presumably all the other silly stuff like doing a hold).
Presto, in
| the course of "failing" an IPC, you have just become
legally current
| again. Deciding if this makes sense is left as an
excercise for the
| reader.