Hi,


which is the best and not so expensive solution for mobile phone use in
plane!?? Im using David Clark 20-10s headset and looking for something to
connect my mobile phone (2.5mm jack)? it must have feature to give priority
to atc voice when u speak on gsm!!

regards!

Magic11 wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> which is the best and not so expensive solution for mobile phone use in
> plane!?? Im using David Clark 20-10s headset and looking for something to
> connect my mobile phone (2.5mm jack)? it must have feature to give priority
> to atc voice when u speak on gsm!!
>
> regards!
>
>
>
Sporty's has just an adapter in their catalog.

Another answer is to switch to something like the Lightspeeds
that have a separate jack for on the control unit that feeds
into a cell phone plug.

Have fun getting GSM to work at altitude.

I'd be surprised if the GSM worked at any altitude above pattern
altitude.
-Robert

Magic11 wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> which is the best and not so expensive solution for mobile phone use in
> plane!?? Im using David Clark 20-10s headset and looking for something to
> connect my mobile phone (2.5mm jack)? it must have feature to give priority
> to atc voice when u speak on gsm!!
>
> regards!

Hey gang,
It probably wont work in the air of course that being said mine
started ringing at 11,000 ft yesterday above nashville in the t210. I
was amazed of course we were moving so fast that we lost that tower in
seconds but if you have a helicopter it might work. Cell towers all
point down because thats were the people with the electric leashes are!
Sportys does have that adapter but you can probably get the same from
radio shack for nothin. This all being said I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DO
NOT USE YOUR PHONE IN THE AIR!!!!! Not because it is gonna screw with
nav radios or anything but because you will be not concentrating on
what you need to be concentrating on and that is flying the air plane.
Please do not turn into the idiot in his car that is screwing up
traffic because he is on the phone driving. "hang up and drive now
applies to hang up and fly!!!!"

matty
Magic11 wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> which is the best and not so expensive solution for mobile phone use in
> plane!?? Im using David Clark 20-10s headset and looking for something to
> connect my mobile phone (2.5mm jack)? it must have feature to give priority
> to atc voice when u speak on gsm!!
>
> regards!

If English is not your native language, I apologize. If it is, you need
serious remedial work.

Jim


"Magic11" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
>
> which is the best and not so expensive solution for mobile phone use in
> plane!?? Im using David Clark 20-10s headset and looking for something to
> connect my mobile phone (2.5mm jack)? it must have feature to give
> priority to atc voice when u speak on gsm!!
>
> regards!
>
>
>

Magic11,

> which is the best and not so expensive solution for mobile phone use in
> plane!??
>

A new headset. Seriously. Get an ANR from Lightspeed, which has that
feature. By far the solution with the best cost-effect relation.

And yes, GSM will not work much above 2000 or 3000 feet.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Huck,

> Not because it is gonna screw with
> nav radios or anything but because you will be not concentrating on
> what you need to be concentrating on and that is flying the air plane.
>

Ah, come one. At FL110 in the 210, you simply aren't busy all the time.
In fact, with the autopilot on, you're way less busy than any time in a
care.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Tnx to all for answers, Ill check Sportys and Lightspeed!


I know that the cell phone for will not work at high altitudes but for now
the most time I fly short routes at 3000-4000ft AGL and my phone works just
fine!!


Regards!

"Huck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hey gang,
> It probably wont work in the air of course that being said mine
> started ringing at 11,000 ft yesterday above nashville in the t210. I
> was amazed of course we were moving so fast that we lost that tower in
> seconds but if you have a helicopter it might work. Cell towers all
> point down because thats were the people with the electric leashes are!
> Sportys does have that adapter but you can probably get the same from
> radio shack for nothin. This all being said I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DO
> NOT USE YOUR PHONE IN THE AIR!!!!! Not because it is gonna screw with
> nav radios or anything but because you will be not concentrating on
> what you need to be concentrating on and that is flying the air plane.
> Please do not turn into the idiot in his car that is screwing up
> traffic because he is on the phone driving. "hang up and drive now
> applies to hang up and fly!!!!"
>


I need it for important calls just in case and for passengers, dont worry!
:)

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> If English is not your native language, I apologize. If it is, you need
> serious remedial work.
>
> Jim

Your apologie has been accepted! ;)

(and...... yeah, it was bed English, I wrote it fast, without too much
thinking)

> (and...... yeah, it was bed English

Is that the same as "pillow talk" :)

Jose
--
There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jose" > wrote in message
. ..
>> (and...... yeah, it was bed English
>
> Is that the same as "pillow talk" :)
>

??? whats pillow talk!?

I read your original post. If you can live with hearing ATC and the cell at
the same time, without priority for ATC, there's a solution for about $15
which I have used very successfully. Get an earpiece for you phone that has
the microphone built into the earbud. These may be a little hard to find
now because the bomm variety is all the rage. Jabra used to make one which
came with different colored earpieces to customize the fit in your ear.
Just slide that under the cup of your headset. The sidetone in your headset
transmits the voice well. I used this setup in Canada where cell phone use
in the air is legal.

> I need it for important calls just in case and for passengers, dont worry!
> :)
>
>

good idea, tnx!

Magic11 wrote:
> "Jose" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>>>(and...... yeah, it was bed English
>>
>>Is that the same as "pillow talk" :)
>>
>
>
> ??? whats pillow talk!?
>
>
You really don't speak English!! Pillow talk is the conversation
between two individuals that takes place in bed (as in your use of "bed
Enlish, rather than bad English).

Margy

> You really don't speak English!! Pillow talk is the conversation between
> two individuals that takes place in bed (as in your use of "bed Enlish,
> rather than bad English).
>
> Margy

oh, thanks Margy, and u really speak English, well done! maybe u didnt't
understand my aviation topic, if u did whats your problem!? missing some
pillow talk!? ;)

Magic

"Magic11" > wrote a bunch of trash

How old are you, Magic11?

This is an adult group. The first thing you need to do if you want to be
taken seriously, is to use the IM style writing.

This is not IM.

Then, grow up.
--
Jim in NC

> How old are you, Magic11?
>
> This is an adult group. The first thing you need to do if you want to be
> taken seriously, is to use the IM style writing.
>
> This is not IM.
>
> Then, grow up.
> --
> Jim in NC
>


I got no problems with my English ever before on Internet forums and news
groups, and at least i didnt expected
problems here on aviation groups, here come people with same interrest and
willing to help each other..... (most of them)


I cant see anything wrong in my question, but i see provocation in your post
and that irritate me!! So, give me a break with
your stupid posts and stupid age questions, Im not going to go down at your
level and argue with you,!!
Ill gonna stay on groups beacuse i think that people here are not like you!

/end of conversation/

In article >, "Morgans" >
wrote:

> "Magic11" > wrote a bunch of trash
>
> How old are you, Magic11?
>
> This is an adult group. The first thing you need to do if you want to be
> taken seriously, is to use the IM style writing.

that's loose the IM style... :-)

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Morgans"
> >
> wrote:
>
>> "Magic11" > wrote a bunch of trash
>>
>> How old are you, Magic11?
>>
>> This is an adult group. The first thing you need to do if you want to be
>> taken seriously, is to use the IM style writing.
>
> that's loose the IM style... :-)
>
How loose would that be, Bob.... :-)

[Whatever else, don't 'lose' your sense of humor!]

"Magic11" > wrote in message
...
> > How old are you, Magic11?
> >
> > This is an adult group. The first thing you need to do if you want to
be
> > taken seriously, is to use the IM style writing.
> >
> > This is not IM.
> >
> > Then, grow up.
> > --
> > Jim in NC
> >
>
>
> I('ve) got(had) no problems with my English ever before on Internet forums
and news
> groups, and at least i(I) didn(')t expected(expect to here?) (.)
> problems(The problem is that) here on aviation groups, here come(there
are) people with same interrest and (they)
> willing to help each other..... (most of them)
>
>
> I can(')t see anything wrong in my question, but i(I) see provocation in
your post
> and that irritate(s) me!! So, give me a break with
> your stupid posts and stupid age questions,(.) I(')m not going to go down
at(to) your
> level and argue with you,!!(no (,))
> Ill(I'm) gonna(going to) stay on(these) groups beacuse i(I) think that
people here are not like you!
>
> /end of conversation/

You can see a few of the suggested corrections, (placed in (_)) to be
accepted here. Nobody will take you seriously, with writing like the above.

Also, you are wrong, and most of the people here are like me. They don't
want to suffer through reading your IM drivel.
>
>
>

Magic11 wrote:
<snip>
> I got no problems with my English ever before on Internet forums and news
> groups, and at least i didnt expected
> problems here on aviation groups, here come people with same interrest and
> willing to help each other..... (most of them)
>
>
> I cant see anything wrong in my question, but i see provocation in your post
> and that irritate me!! So, give me a break with
> your stupid posts and stupid age questions, Im not going to go down at your
> level and argue with you,!!


> Ill gonna stay on groups beacuse i think that people here are not like you!

Actually, most people here don't want to read "English" like that above.
I spend my day reading things written by college graduates, and
certainly don't have time or patience to figure out what you meant by
the above paragraphs. Most others don't either.

And you've got to remember, if you fly, that communication is VERY
important. I'm guessing you don't fly now, but if you want to learn,
you MUST learn how to communicate in a certain way. The above is not it.

>>If you want to be
> > taken seriously, is to use the IM style writing.
>
> that's loose the IM style... :-)

<chuckle> I followed the rule of making a mistake, while pointing out
other's mistakes, didn't I?

The intended wording was "not use" instead of use.
--
Jim in NC

Magic11 wrote:
>>You really don't speak English!! Pillow talk is the conversation between
>>two individuals that takes place in bed (as in your use of "bed Enlish,
>>rather than bad English).
>>
>>Margy
>
>
> oh, thanks Margy, and u really speak English, well done! maybe u didnt't
> understand my aviation topic, if u did whats your problem!? missing some
> pillow talk!? ;)
>
> Magic
>
>
Not sure what your problem is, I was refering to Jim's comment. I like
the fact that I can use the plane as an excuse to turn the cell phone
OFF ;-).

Margy

Emily wrote:

> Magic11 wrote:
> <snip>
> > I got no problems with my English ever before on Internet forums and news
> > groups, and at least i didnt expected
> > problems here on aviation groups, here come people with same interrest and
> > willing to help each other..... (most of them)
> >
> >
> > I cant see anything wrong in my question, but i see provocation in your post
> > and that irritate me!! So, give me a break with
> > your stupid posts and stupid age questions, Im not going to go down at your
> > level and argue with you,!!
>
> > Ill gonna stay on groups beacuse i think that people here are not like you!
>
> Actually, most people here don't want to read "English" like that above.
> I spend my day reading things written by college graduates, and
> certainly don't have time or patience to figure out what you meant by
> the above paragraphs. Most others don't either.

So how did you have the time to write back then? J.W.

John wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>
>> Magic11 wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> I got no problems with my English ever before on Internet forums and news
>>> groups, and at least i didnt expected
>>> problems here on aviation groups, here come people with same interrest and
>>> willing to help each other..... (most of them)
>>>
>>>
>>> I cant see anything wrong in my question, but i see provocation in your post
>>> and that irritate me!! So, give me a break with
>>> your stupid posts and stupid age questions, Im not going to go down at your
>>> level and argue with you,!!
>>> Ill gonna stay on groups beacuse i think that people here are not like you!
>> Actually, most people here don't want to read "English" like that above.
>> I spend my day reading things written by college graduates, and
>> certainly don't have time or patience to figure out what you meant by
>> the above paragraphs. Most others don't either.
>
> So how did you have the time to write back then? J.W.
>
It was a quick post.

> You can see a few of the suggested corrections, (placed in (_)) to be
> accepted here.

Hmmm, what can I say for this post? You are an idiot! Too bed for this
group!

Nobody will take you seriously, with writing like the above.

maybe you, i dont care....

>
> Also, you are wrong, and most of the people here are like me.

With low level of intelligence, I dont beleive that!!

Magic11 wrote:
>> You can see a few of the suggested corrections, (placed in (_)) to be
>> accepted here.
>
> Hmmm, what can I say for this post? You are an idiot! Too bed for this
> group!
>
> Nobody will take you seriously, with writing like the above.

He wrote in proper English.
>
> maybe you, i dont care....
>
>> Also, you are wrong, and most of the people here are like me.
>
> With low level of intelligence, I dont beleive that!!

Is English your first language?

>
> Not sure what your problem is, I was refering to Jim's comment. I like
> the fact that I can use the plane as an excuse to turn the cell phone OFF
> ;-).

That's ok, really good excuse, but sometimes you or your passengers have to
make important call! Genneraly, I agree with you!

Regards

> Actually, most people here don't want to read "English" like that above. I
> spend my day reading things written by college graduates, and certainly
> don't have time or patience to figure out what you meant by the above
> paragraphs. Most others don't either.

ok, you don't have to read my posts! Might be that those people who answered
and help me are exceptions!


>
> And you've got to remember, if you fly, that communication is VERY
> important. I'm guessing you don't fly now, but if you want to learn,


You're guessing wrong, I fly!


> you MUST learn how to communicate in a certain way. The above is not it.

yeah, that's right! But, as I know, aviation phrazeology in English
communication is not like real world English,
there is big difference between.... and that's beacuse differences in
languages, that's simplified English with special phrases (to avoid mistakes
in communication),
am I right!?? I guess you know that, you got to know if you fly! ;)

And one more thing, Emily, no offence, but can you think a little bit and
realize that English is not always language in atc communication, maybe in
some european/other countries on domestic flights and general aviation,
before you guess I don't fly!


Regards!

>
> Is English your first language?

No, of course not!

Magic11 wrote:
<snip>
>
> And one more thing, Emily, no offence, but can you think a little bit and
> realize that English is not always language in atc communication, maybe in
> some european/other countries on domestic flights and general aviation,
> before you guess I don't fly!

First, there's a HUGE different in not speaking English fluently and
using IM speak.

Second, I believe I asked if your first language was English. And as
someone who deals with commercial aviation people from OUTSIDE the
United States most of the time, I can still say that YES, English is the
international language of aviation. In fact, I deal with with
maintenance type people on six continents, and I've never run into one
person who doesn't speak English when dealing with other people in the
industry.

Magic11 wrote:
>> Is English your first language?
>
> No, of course not!

Then the grammar issues are excused. The IM speak is not.

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Magic11 wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> And one more thing, Emily, no offence, but can you think a little bit and
>> realize that English is not always language in atc communication, maybe
>> in
>> some european/other countries on domestic flights and general aviation,
>> before you guess I don't fly!
>
> First, there's a HUGE different in not speaking English fluently and using
> IM speak.


Ok, I agree with that, first post I wrote quckly and untill now I didn't
know what "IM speak" phrase means and didn't know that's
big problem because I see that often on USA and UK forums, so I
unintentionally start to use something like that (you=u, ....).



> Second, I believe I asked if your first language was English. And as
> someone who deals with commercial aviation people from OUTSIDE the United
> States most of the time, I can still say that YES, English is the
> international language of aviation. In fact, I deal with with maintenance
> type people on six continents, and I've never run into one person who
> doesn't speak English when dealing with other people in the industry.
>

English is international laguage of all world industry, specially comercial
aviation, did I say something
wrong about that!?

"Magic11" > wrote

> Ok, I agree with that, first post I wrote quckly and untill now I didn't
> know what "IM speak" phrase means and didn't know that's
> big problem because I see that often on USA and UK forums, so I
> unintentionally start to use something like that (you=u, ....).

Now you are starting to come around, with admitting that English is not your
first language, and by typing in "real" English. You will find a much
better reception to your posts, now. You should have started that way, and
things would have been much easier for you.

Welcome, and good luck with your questions here.
--
Jim in NC

> Now you are starting to come around, with admitting that English is not
> your
> first language, and by typing in "real" English.


You can see from first posts that English is not my native language, I never
sad that it is!


You will find a much
> better reception to your posts, now. You should have started that way,
> and
> things would have been much easier for you.

Ok, I didn't know that's problem, but you started conversation in agressive
way!

>
> Welcome, and good luck with your questions here.

Thanks Morgans on your truly welcome ;)

....And let's finish this (off)topic!

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:16:14 +0200, "Magic11"
> wrote:

>
>"Huck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> Hey gang,
>> It probably wont work in the air of course that being said mine
>> started ringing at 11,000 ft yesterday above nashville in the t210. I
>> was amazed of course we were moving so fast that we lost that tower in
>> seconds but if you have a helicopter it might work. Cell towers all
>> point down because thats were the people with the electric leashes are!
>> Sportys does have that adapter but you can probably get the same from
>> radio shack for nothin. This all being said I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DO
>> NOT USE YOUR PHONE IN THE AIR!!!!! Not because it is gonna screw with
>> nav radios or anything but because you will be not concentrating on
>> what you need to be concentrating on and that is flying the air plane.
>> Please do not turn into the idiot in his car that is screwing up
>> traffic because he is on the phone driving. "hang up and drive now
>> applies to hang up and fly!!!!"
>>
>
>
>I need it for important calls just in case and for passengers, dont worry!
>:)
>

According to a Lightspeed note, it says the "FCC only allows the use
of a cell phone within the cockpit when the plane is on the ground".

wrote:

>
>
> According to a Lightspeed note, it says the "FCC only allows the use
> of a cell phone within the cockpit when the plane is on the ground".


It is irrelavant what Lightspeed says.

wrote:

> According to a Lightspeed note, it says the "FCC only allows the use
> of a cell phone within the cockpit when the plane is on the ground".

This pertains to USA / FCC regulations only:

Under FCC Part 22 regulations, which describes "cellular" phones in the
850-900 Mhz band, using a Part 22 "cellular" phone while airborne is legally
prohibited.

PCS phones (e.g. T-Mobile) operate under other frequencies (e.g. 1900 Mhz band)
and are regulated under FCC Part 24. Part 24 has no prohibition against using
PCS services while airborne. I don't believe what type of phone system
(GSM/TDMA or CDMA) matters a bit. The regulation was originally made to
prohibit AMPS (analog) service, and AMPS is under Part 22 only. Some CDMA and
GSM services operate on "cellular" frequencies, and under a strict
interpretation airborne use would be prohibited. However if your telephone is
operating under the 1900 Mhz band (which only has digital PCS services,
including CDMA and GSM).

In practice, I've used a PCS phone successfully up to about 4,000 ft when it
doesn't work well. However outside of some areas, good reception is usually
concentrated near Interstates etc, which your route of flight may not follow.

Some passengers/crew on the 9/11/01 flights hijacked by terrorists were
apparently able to use their mobile phones, although I'm not sure at what
altitude they were able to do this. Other calls were made via the aircraft's
pay phones.

Newps wrote:
>
>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> According to a Lightspeed note, it says the "FCC only allows the use
>> of a cell phone within the cockpit when the plane is on the ground".
>
>
> It is irrelavant what Lightspeed says.
>

But not what the FAA and FCC say.....

In the US, at least.

John S wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> According to a Lightspeed note, it says the "FCC only allows the use
>> of a cell phone within the cockpit when the plane is on the ground".
>
> This pertains to USA / FCC regulations only:
>
> Under FCC Part 22 regulations, which describes "cellular" phones in the
> 850-900 Mhz band, using a Part 22 "cellular" phone while airborne is legally
> prohibited.
>
> PCS phones (e.g. T-Mobile) operate under other frequencies (e.g. 1900 Mhz band)
> and are regulated under FCC Part 24. Part 24 has no prohibition against using
> PCS services while airborne.

14 CFR 91.21 doesn't have that distinction....

> 14 CFR 91.21 doesn't have that distinction....

No, but it allows the pilot in command to permit the operation.

Jose
--
There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Emily,

> 14 CFR 91.21 doesn't have that distinction....
>

That one doesn't prohibit cell phones.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:
> Emily,
>
>> 14 CFR 91.21 doesn't have that distinction....
>>
>
> That one doesn't prohibit cell phones.
>
You consider a cell phone to be a PED?

Emily,

> >
> You consider a cell phone to be a PED?
>

Uhm, yes.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)