I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
rating. Just curious.

In article >, "STICKMONKE"
> wrote:

> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> rating. Just curious.
>
>

IIRC, I had about 212 hours TT. It took me a while to accumulate the
50 hours xc time.

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

"STICKMONKE" > wrote in
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> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your
> IFR rating. Just curious.
>
>



Only 15 hours of training from a CFII is required, but I have found that it
takes about 30 hours or more to become proficient.

> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> rating. Just curious.

When I took my checkride I had 210 total time, 44 instrument. My IR training
comprised 54 hours over 30 flights. One of these was in a ground trainer, one
was solo X/C, and one was solo ADF practice, visually. I was able to fly
almost every day, so the whole thing took less than two months. It probably
would have taken more hours if I'd only flown once a week.

From September 1999 through November 2000 I logged 205 hours of dual,
ostensibly all of it toward my instrument rating. I think I must hold some
kind of record for incompetence.

About 42 hours to get the rating (I think at about 230 hrs total time).
Calendar time was about 1 3/4 years (and three different
instructors). No sim time, but use an instructor for most of the
flights. Use a safety pilot for a a few hours toward the end. (Great
intro for VFR pilots to be able to sit in the front and see what
transpires.)

STICKMONKE wrote:
> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> rating. Just curious.
>
>


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31.9 hours. I already had commercial pilot rating. Took 5 months.

Rod

"STICKMONKE" > wrote in
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> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you
> to get your IFR rating. Just curious.

I can't recall. Whatever number Uncle Sam specified. I do
recall that I had to go out & get some more hours, just because
we were required to fly x number of hours. I had passed my
checkride, but I still had to log however many hours the
syllabus called for. The military is lots of things, but
flexible ain't one of them, at least in many areas.

--
Regards,

Stan

"STICKMONKE" wrote:
> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your
> IFR rating. Just curious.

About 90 hours of instruction and practice over 12 months.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

I got my IA rating after 7 months of traning and:
163 hrs total time
71 approaches
8.5 hrs actual
28.8 hrs hood (a bit of this was from primary training)
8.3 hrs simulator

"STICKMONKE" > wrote
> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> rating. Just curious.

I had just under 700 hours total time, and just a hair over 40 hours
instrument time. Of that, probably 15 hours were spent just burning
time with a safety pilot - flying XC trips I would have flown anyway
but under the hood. I did it in less than six months start to finish.

Michael

120TT, 15 training with CFI and then I flew from CA to GA and back under the
hood to get the balance of the required 40hrs.

Mike
MU-2


"STICKMONKE" > wrote in message
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> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> rating. Just curious.
>

"STICKMONKE" > wrote in message >...
> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> rating. Just curious.

Probably took me around 40-50 hours of dual, spread over a couple of
years. Would have been able to do it quicker if I had done a
concentrated course at the flight school (American Flyers) where I
finished up.

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>> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
>> rating. Just curious.

5 months
26 flights including the check ride
35 hours including the check ride, but I had 7 hours of hood time previously

"STICKMONKE" > wrote in message
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> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> rating. Just curious.
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Started Sept. 9, 1978 at 236 hrs., finished on December 12th at 293hrs
(57hrs...of which 48.5 was training related. Three months and three days).

Tom

--
“Any drinking or substance abuse problems?”

“Mr. Memphis, believe me, it would be a lie if I didn’t tell you some years
back, Bob Lee had a problem with the bottle and had some wild times. He’s
always in pain, you know, because of the way he was hurt in the war. But I
believe Bob Lee has found himself in some way. All he wants from life is
freedom and to be left alone.”

“What about medals? Has he ever said anything about medals? Are medals
important to him?”

“To Bob Lee? Let me tell you something, son—were you in the war or
anything?”

“No sir, I wasn’t.”

“Well, son, the only people that are interested in medals are the ones that
are fixing to run for office some day. I went from one side of Burma to the
other with General Merrill’s Marauders in 1943 and 1944, and the only man I
ever saw who wanted a medal or cared about a medal later became the only
governor of Colorado to be impeached.



Stephen Hunter, “Point of Impact”, Bantam Books, 1993, p115

"Barry" > wrote in message >...
> > I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> > rating. Just curious.

Straight off the 8710:

207.8TT, 51.3XC
Instrument time: 40.2 simulated / 20 actual over 18 months, all with
my CFII
Also 5 hours in an AST-300.
Started 2/03, finished 9/04. (~18mos)

I know I could have trimmed calendar time off that (the written cost
me 3 months minimum), but I doubt I could have finished up much more
than 5 hours faster. Maybe 10 if I pushed super hard. The private took
me 70 hours to complete for comparison, with tons of delays.

-cwk.

From 11/02 till 5/04 (18 months) and 87.4 hours.

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney purchaser

STICKMONKE wrote:

> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> rating. Just curious.
>
>

"STICKMONKE" > wrote in message >...
> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> rating. Just curious.

*** About 70 hours dual, give or take. Passed my checkride last
Thursday.
Might have been quicker, except the hours were spread out over THREE
YEARS.
It seemed like every time I got going good, something would come up.
Like
getting laid off. Or being wrapped around the axle starting a new
business. Or finding airframe corrosion that grounded the airplane
for three months.

On the plus side, I learned all the procedures with IP Trainer
before starting. Must have spent 200 hours of quality time with that
program. Which is probably why it took 70 instead of 140.

- Jerry Kaidor ( )

"STICKMONKE" > wrote in message
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> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
> rating. Just curious.


Approximately 80+ hours as a guesstimate... Technically: 67.7 hours hood
time, 2 (YES a WHOPPING TWO) hours of actual (I'm getting this situation
'fixed' - gonna get lots more cloud time - most likely with a CFII watching
me for the next five to ten hours of REAL), 13 hours on the Frasca Sim.
..... So, about 80+ hours as I just said. Keep in mind that I was only
flying once a week (except during checkride prep time when I 'ate mac and
cheese' a lot <wink> so that I could have two sessions a week (2 hours+/per
session). Took me 1 year and 4 mos, but I'd guess that an unexpected
necessary surgery I had to have probably added two and-one-half to 3
additional months to the total. Otherwise it probably would have been about
a year, or maybe just a bit more than that.

It's not impossible to do, but you REALLY have to be dedicated... Getting
the conceptual stuff to adequately 'soak into your noggin' can be a REAL
exercise! Basically, what I did, was use as many different tools as
possible (videos, computer simulators (VOR/ADF/HSI simulator, On Top 8.0 - I
found these VERY valuable working through the conceptual stuff!), many
different books and practice, practice, practice <grin>!

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

I finished close to the absolute minimum - 31.5 hours
in the air (almost all hood time), 9 on a PCATD. I already
had around 250 hours when I started, and had been flying the
same airplane (Cherokee) for a couple of years.

--
Allen Johnson

And I bet you are one of those pilots with "personal mimimums."


"ajohnson" > wrote in message
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> I finished close to the absolute minimum - 31.5 hours
> in the air (almost all hood time), 9 on a PCATD. I already
> had around 250 hours when I started, and had been flying the
> same airplane (Cherokee) for a couple of years.
>
> --
> Allen Johnson

Why would you bet that? Did he take a different checkride than everybody
else?

Mike
MU-2


"Richard Hertz" > wrote in message
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> And I bet you are one of those pilots with "personal mimimums."
>
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> "ajohnson" > wrote in message
> m...
>> I finished close to the absolute minimum - 31.5 hours
>> in the air (almost all hood time), 9 on a PCATD. I already
>> had around 250 hours when I started, and had been flying the
>> same airplane (Cherokee) for a couple of years.
>>
>> --
>> Allen Johnson
>
>

At 135hours I started My instrument training.

30 days and 41.2 hours latter (Including 12 in the Sim) I had my IFR ticket


Eric Fletcher

My opinion of checkrides and minimal training is just that, minimal. Most
of the training I have seen is pretty poor and leaves no doubt in my mind
why people end up killing themselves nor why there is such a popular opinion
of "personal minimums" or people who never fly actual or down to minimums
even when they have the rating.



"Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
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> Why would you bet that? Did he take a different checkride than everybody
> else?
>
> Mike
> MU-2
>
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> "Richard Hertz" > wrote in message
> et...
> > And I bet you are one of those pilots with "personal mimimums."
> >
> >
> > "ajohnson" > wrote in message
> > m...
> >> I finished close to the absolute minimum - 31.5 hours
> >> in the air (almost all hood time), 9 on a PCATD. I already
> >> had around 250 hours when I started, and had been flying the
> >> same airplane (Cherokee) for a couple of years.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Allen Johnson
> >
> >
>
>

"Richard Hertz" > wrote in message
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> My opinion of checkrides and minimal training is just that, minimal. Most
> of the training I have seen is pretty poor and leaves no doubt in my mind
> why people end up killing themselves nor why there is such a popular
> opinion
> of "personal minimums" or people who never fly actual or down to minimums
> even when they have the rating.

Flying approaches to minimums is one skill that the minimal required
training does seem to impart. But it's a skill that erodes quickly in the
absence of recent experience. So an instrument pilot who flies infrequently
has good reason to establish personal minimums. As for me, I don't mind
doing a straight-in precision approach down to DA. But I won't fly a
circling approach without a large extra margin, or fly in night IMC, because
I don't get much practice under those circumstances.

--Gary

I agree that the checkride is a minimium standard but there is no evidence
that pilots who reach that level of proficiency in minimium time aren't at
least as good as those who take twice as long. I would go further and
speculate that those who passed the checkride in minimium time had more
innate aptitude than those who took twice as long and are likely to be more
skilled 10hrs or 10yrs after the checkride.

Mike
MU-2

"Richard Hertz" > wrote in message
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> My opinion of checkrides and minimal training is just that, minimal. Most
> of the training I have seen is pretty poor and leaves no doubt in my mind
> why people end up killing themselves nor why there is such a popular
> opinion
> of "personal minimums" or people who never fly actual or down to minimums
> even when they have the rating.
>
>
>
> "Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>> Why would you bet that? Did he take a different checkride than everybody
>> else?
>>
>> Mike
>> MU-2
>>
>>
>> "Richard Hertz" > wrote in message
>> et...
>> > And I bet you are one of those pilots with "personal mimimums."
>> >
>> >
>> > "ajohnson" > wrote in message
>> > m...
>> >> I finished close to the absolute minimum - 31.5 hours
>> >> in the air (almost all hood time), 9 on a PCATD. I already
>> >> had around 250 hours when I started, and had been flying the
>> >> same airplane (Cherokee) for a couple of years.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Allen Johnson
>> >
>> >
>>
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>

"Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message et>...

> least as good as those who take twice as long. I would go further and
> speculate that those who passed the checkride in minimium time had more
> innate aptitude than those who took twice as long and are likely to be more
> skilled 10hrs or 10yrs after the checkride.

I would go further and speculate that many of them were able to train
full time, or at least several times per week. I know my stops and
starts cost me at least ten hours.

It may also indicate a lot about whether the CFI was very motivated to
get the student finished up, or was happy to have them keep coming
back "for just a little bit more."

Ultimately it's quite difficult to come up with a simple metric that
measures someone's proficiency as a pilot. You just kind of know it
when you see it.

Best,
-cwk.

"C Kingsbury" > wrote in message
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> "Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
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>> least as good as those who take twice as long. I would go further and
>> speculate that those who passed the checkride in minimium time had more
>> innate aptitude than those who took twice as long and are likely to be
>> more
>> skilled 10hrs or 10yrs after the checkride.
>
> I would go further and speculate that many of them were able to train
> full time, or at least several times per week. I know my stops and
> starts cost me at least ten hours.
>
> It may also indicate a lot about whether the CFI was very motivated to
> get the student finished up, or was happy to have them keep coming
> back "for just a little bit more."
>
> Ultimately it's quite difficult to come up with a simple metric that
> measures someone's proficiency as a pilot. You just kind of know it
> when you see it.
>
> Best,
> -cwk.

Agreed. My point is only that there isn't any connection between getting
the rating in minimium time and inferior performance. There are many
reasons why getting the rating might take longer but if someone gets it in
minimium time, I don't see how one can conclude other than the pilot had
reasonable aptitude.

Mike
MU-2

"Cecil Chapman" > wrote in message
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> "STICKMONKE" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I'm trying to determine the average hours it took for you to get your IFR
>> rating. Just curious.
>

50 hours of instrument of which 20 is actual plus 2 hours in a Frasca
simulator. My foundation was a UK IMC rating which is 15 hours minimum of
training. Total time 300