My flight school, got a new Frasca simulator which has every airport in
the world in it's database. I want to be able to make my students fly
all sorts of weird/unusual/difficult approaches, but the only
approaches that I am familiar with are the ones around here.

There was this one my instructor gave me when I was getting my
instrument which had a DME arc to the MAP, then the missed approach
procedure was a climbing right turn to a VOR radial to track, then a
hold at an intersection nonstandard turns. I have no idea which
approach it was, but it was very crazy. What are some interesting
approaches I can throw at my students?

"buttman" > wrote:
> What are some interesting approaches I can throw at my students?

There are a few LOC-BC approaches. The one I'm familiar with around here
is the LOC-BC 24 at ABE.

There's a few LDA's around (such as the LDA-A at LGA). And, of course, the
grand-daddy of weird LDA's is the Rosslyn LDA 19 at DCA.

In a previous article, "buttman" > said:
>My flight school, got a new Frasca simulator which has every airport in
>the world in it's database. I want to be able to make my students fly
>all sorts of weird/unusual/difficult approaches, but the only
>approaches that I am familiar with are the ones around here.

There's always the RNAV (GPS) RWY 16 at Pease International, NH. Not a
hard approach to fly, but amusing waypoint names.



--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
"Guns don't shoot people. Vice Presidents shoot people."

Depending on what the available displays are in the Frasca,
a partial panel VOR using only an RMI. [any airport]

Sheppard AFB at Wichita Falls, TX

Aspen




"buttman" > wrote in message
ps.com...
| My flight school, got a new Frasca simulator which has
every airport in
| the world in it's database. I want to be able to make my
students fly
| all sorts of weird/unusual/difficult approaches, but the
only
| approaches that I am familiar with are the ones around
here.
|
| There was this one my instructor gave me when I was
getting my
| instrument which had a DME arc to the MAP, then the missed
approach
| procedure was a climbing right turn to a VOR radial to
track, then a
| hold at an intersection nonstandard turns. I have no idea
which
| approach it was, but it was very crazy. What are some
interesting
| approaches I can throw at my students?
|

buttman wrote:
> My flight school, got a new Frasca simulator which has every airport in
> the world in it's database. I want to be able to make my students fly
> all sorts of weird/unusual/difficult approaches, but the only
> approaches that I am familiar with are the ones around here.
>
> There was this one my instructor gave me when I was getting my
> instrument which had a DME arc to the MAP, then the missed approach
> procedure was a climbing right turn to a VOR radial to track, then a
> hold at an intersection nonstandard turns. I have no idea which
> approach it was, but it was very crazy. What are some interesting
> approaches I can throw at my students?
>
Sounds like that one-of-a-kind DME ARC approach somewhere in Maryland.

That would be the VOR/DME TACAN Z RWY 15 approach for Baltimore/Martin State
(MTN) no straight segments in approach at all!


"Sam Spade" > wrote in message
news:qH5Wg.27163$tO5.11415@fed1read10...
> buttman wrote:
>> My flight school, got a new Frasca simulator which has every airport in
>> the world in it's database. I want to be able to make my students fly
>> all sorts of weird/unusual/difficult approaches, but the only
>> approaches that I am familiar with are the ones around here.
>>
>> There was this one my instructor gave me when I was getting my
>> instrument which had a DME arc to the MAP, then the missed approach
>> procedure was a climbing right turn to a VOR radial to track, then a
>> hold at an intersection nonstandard turns. I have no idea which
>> approach it was, but it was very crazy. What are some interesting
>> approaches I can throw at my students?
>>
> Sounds like that one-of-a-kind DME ARC approach somewhere in Maryland.

Sam Spade wrote:

> Sounds like that one-of-a-kind DME ARC approach somewhere in Maryland.

The VOR/DME OR TACAN Z RWY 15 at KMTN.

Show them the approach at KASE (Aspen) and ask them if the missed is
normal or reverse sensing (the missed is a localizer).

Dave Butler wrote:
> Sam Spade wrote:
>
> > Sounds like that one-of-a-kind DME ARC approach somewhere in Maryland.
>
> The VOR/DME OR TACAN Z RWY 15 at KMTN.

Look up Hong Kong. There is, or used to be, a unique approach.

vince norris

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:12:22 -0400, "Doc" > wrote:

>That would be the VOR/DME TACAN Z RWY 15 approach for Baltimore/Martin State
>(MTN) no straight segments in approach at all!
>
>
>"Sam Spade" > wrote in message
>news:qH5Wg.27163$tO5.11415@fed1read10...
>> buttman wrote:
>>> My flight school, got a new Frasca simulator which has every airport in
>>> the world in it's database. I want to be able to make my students fly
>>> all sorts of weird/unusual/difficult approaches, but the only
>>> approaches that I am familiar with are the ones around here.
>>>
>>> There was this one my instructor gave me when I was getting my
>>> instrument which had a DME arc to the MAP, then the missed approach
>>> procedure was a climbing right turn to a VOR radial to track, then a
>>> hold at an intersection nonstandard turns. I have no idea which
>>> approach it was, but it was very crazy. What are some interesting
>>> approaches I can throw at my students?
>>>
>> Sounds like that one-of-a-kind DME ARC approach somewhere in Maryland.

As I recall, TVC (Traverse City MI) has/had a DME ARC to the ILS with
a climbing left turn on the missed to the VOR 5 mi south.

Not weird, just not common around here


>
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

vincent p. norris wrote:
> Look up Hong Kong. There is, or used to be, a unique approach.
>
> vince norris

They moved to a better airport a few years back.

>> Look up Hong Kong. There is, or used to be, a unique approach.
>>
>> vince norris
>
>They moved to a better airport a few years back.

I sure hope someone saved one of the old approach plates. It would be
a shame if that were lost to history.

vince norris

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message ...
>>> Look up Hong Kong. There is, or used to be, a unique approach.
>>>
>>> vince norris
>>
>>They moved to a better airport a few years back.
>
> I sure hope someone saved one of the old approach plates. It would be
> a shame if that were lost to history.
>
> vince norris
>

Descriptions of the Rwy 13/31 approaches are on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kai_Tak_International_Airport

Roger, A DME arc to a final approach course isn't unusual. What's unusual
about the approach I mentioned is that the arc is the final approach course
right to the runway! Check out the approach at this link. Doc

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0610/05222VDTZ15.PDF



"Roger (K8RI)" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:12:22 -0400, "Doc" > wrote:
>
>>That would be the VOR/DME TACAN Z RWY 15 approach for Baltimore/Martin
>>State
>>(MTN) no straight segments in approach at all!
>>
>>
>>"Sam Spade" > wrote in message
>>news:qH5Wg.27163$tO5.11415@fed1read10...
>>> buttman wrote:
>>>> My flight school, got a new Frasca simulator which has every airport in
>>>> the world in it's database. I want to be able to make my students fly
>>>> all sorts of weird/unusual/difficult approaches, but the only
>>>> approaches that I am familiar with are the ones around here.
>>>>
>>>> There was this one my instructor gave me when I was getting my
>>>> instrument which had a DME arc to the MAP, then the missed approach
>>>> procedure was a climbing right turn to a VOR radial to track, then a
>>>> hold at an intersection nonstandard turns. I have no idea which
>>>> approach it was, but it was very crazy. What are some interesting
>>>> approaches I can throw at my students?
>>>>
>>> Sounds like that one-of-a-kind DME ARC approach somewhere in Maryland.
>
> As I recall, TVC (Traverse City MI) has/had a DME ARC to the ILS with
> a climbing left turn on the missed to the VOR 5 mi south.
>
> Not weird, just not common around here
>
>
>>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
> www.rogerhalstead.com

Aspen, CO.

Do it in various aircraft.

vincent p. norris > wrote:
>Look up Hong Kong. There is, or used to be, a unique approach.

Wait until you think you're gonna hit the mountain.

Wait.

Keep waiting.

OK, now turn.

One of the guys I taught as an instrument student handed me
the Sept 25, 2006 issue of Aviation Week and told me to check
out the instrument approach to Linzhi, China on page 54. This
has to be one of the most unusual approaches ever. The entire
flight path looks like it was drawn with a twisted French Curve,
including the missed approach track. It basically follows a river
canyon through the Himalayan mountains. The airport elevation
is 9670', the IAP altitude is 25,200' and the missed approach hold
point altitude is 19,700' feet. There is an additional engine-out missed a
pproach hold point to cover the event that you are unable to climb to
19,700' for the MAHP hold. This point ends with a hold at a point
145 nm from the airport.

A dual-redundant avionics suite is required, including 2 flight management
systems, 2 GPS receivers, 2 flight director displays, etc, etc, etc.

Not your average instrument approach.

Here's a link to the article:

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/search/autosuggest.jsp?docid=354642&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviationnow.com%2Favnow%2Fnew s%2Fchannel_comm_story.jsp%3Fview%3Dstory%26id%3Dn ews%2Faw092506p1.xml

"Sam Spade" > wrote in message
news:8AXWg.32359$tO5.28698@fed1read10...
> vincent p. norris wrote:
>> Look up Hong Kong. There is, or used to be, a unique approach.
>>
>> vince norris
>
> They moved to a better airport a few years back.
>

Ronnie wrote:
> One of the guys I taught as an instrument student handed me
> the Sept 25, 2006 issue of Aviation Week and told me to check
> out the instrument approach to Linzhi, China on page 54. This
> has to be one of the most unusual approaches ever. The entire
> flight path looks like it was drawn with a twisted French Curve,
> including the missed approach track. It basically follows a river
> canyon through the Himalayan mountains. The airport elevation
> is 9670', the IAP altitude is 25,200' and the missed approach hold
> point altitude is 19,700' feet. There is an additional engine-out missed a
> pproach hold point to cover the event that you are unable to climb to
> 19,700' for the MAHP hold. This point ends with a hold at a point
> 145 nm from the airport.
>
> A dual-redundant avionics suite is required, including 2 flight management
> systems, 2 GPS receivers, 2 flight director displays, etc, etc, etc.
>
> Not your average instrument approach.
>
Those are showing up around here. They're called RNAV (RNP) IAPs with
Special Aircrew and Aircraft Authorization Required (SAAAR).

There are perhaps a dozen of them published by the FAA, with 25-50 per
year on the schedule to be added.

Check PSP Runway 13R.

I'd not seen an approach like that in the US. Thanks
for pointing me to the Palm Spring 13R RNAV plate.

Ronnie

"Sam Spade" > wrote in message
...
> Ronnie wrote:
>> One of the guys I taught as an instrument student handed me
>> the Sept 25, 2006 issue of Aviation Week and told me to check
>> out the instrument approach to Linzhi, China on page 54. This
>> has to be one of the most unusual approaches ever. The entire
>> flight path looks like it was drawn with a twisted French Curve,
>> including the missed approach track. It basically follows a river
>> canyon through the Himalayan mountains. The airport elevation
>> is 9670', the IAP altitude is 25,200' and the missed approach hold
>> point altitude is 19,700' feet. There is an additional engine-out missed
>> a
>> pproach hold point to cover the event that you are unable to climb to
>> 19,700' for the MAHP hold. This point ends with a hold at a point
>> 145 nm from the airport.
>>
>> A dual-redundant avionics suite is required, including 2 flight
>> management
>> systems, 2 GPS receivers, 2 flight director displays, etc, etc, etc.
>>
>> Not your average instrument approach.
>>
> Those are showing up around here. They're called RNAV (RNP) IAPs with
> Special Aircrew and Aircraft Authorization Required (SAAAR).
>
> There are perhaps a dozen of them published by the FAA, with 25-50 per
> year on the schedule to be added.
>
> Check PSP Runway 13R.