I was pretty sure that there was something on sectional charts that allows you
to determine the service range of a given VOR, but looking at the guide to
aeronautical charts I don't see anything that indicates VOR range in the
legend. Am I missing something or am I just not remembering things correctly?

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On Apr 15, 1:18 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> I was pretty sure that there was something on sectional charts that allows you
> to determine the service range of a given VOR, but looking at the guide to
> aeronautical charts I don't see anything that indicates VOR range in the
> legend. Am I missing something or am I just not remembering things correctly?
>
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Service ranges are not indicated on sectionals, but the AFD and IFR
enroute charts will indicate whether the VOR is rated as terminal,
low, or high. The typical range below 14500 is 40 miles in radius.

ZikZak writes:

> Service ranges are not indicated on sectionals, but the AFD and IFR
> enroute charts will indicate whether the VOR is rated as terminal,
> low, or high. The typical range below 14500 is 40 miles in radius.

Thanks.

Now if only I could find enroute charts on line (I wish SkyVector had them).

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On Apr 15, 11:18 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> I was pretty sure that there was something on sectional charts that allows you
> to determine the service range of a given VOR, but looking at the guide to
> aeronautical charts I don't see anything that indicates VOR range in the
> legend. Am I missing something or am I just not remembering things correctly?
>
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You're an idiot. look it up fjukktard

Bertie

Bertie

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> ZikZak writes:
>
>> Service ranges are not indicated on sectionals, but the AFD and IFR
>> enroute charts will indicate whether the VOR is rated as terminal,
>> low, or high. The typical range below 14500 is 40 miles in radius.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Now if only I could find enroute charts on line (I wish SkyVector had
> them).

what for, You don't fly.


Bertie

On Apr 15, 4:51 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> ZikZak writes:
> > Service ranges are not indicated on sectionals, but the AFD and IFR
> > enroute charts will indicate whether the VOR is rated as terminal,
> > low, or high. The typical range below 14500 is 40 miles in radius.
>
> Thanks.

You'll also need an A/FD (Airport/Facility Directory). Among many
other things, it tells you if there are unusable radials for each VOR.

For example, a VOR near me has the following note:

VOR UNUSBL
029-045 BYD 15 NM BLO 5000 FT;
050-060 BYD 10 NM ALL ALTS;
210-230 BYD 20 NM BLO 6500 FT

Naturally, as a student I blindly planned a flight along one of the
unusable portions. Ooops!

Kev

Kev writes:

> You'll also need an A/FD (Airport/Facility Directory). Among many
> other things, it tells you if there are unusable radials for each VOR.
>
> For example, a VOR near me has the following note:
>
> VOR UNUSBL
> 029-045 BYD 15 NM BLO 5000 FT;
> 050-060 BYD 10 NM ALL ALTS;
> 210-230 BYD 20 NM BLO 6500 FT
>
> Naturally, as a student I blindly planned a flight along one of the
> unusable portions. Ooops!

I do have the A/FD (portions of it). But having to look up each and every
VOR? Why can't things be simple? And is every single pilot doing this, I
wonder?

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On Apr 17, 6:56 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:

> > For example, a VOR near me has the following note:
>
> > VOR UNUSBL
> > 029-045 BYD 15 NM BLO 5000 FT;
> > 050-060 BYD 10 NM ALL ALTS;
> > 210-230 BYD 20 NM BLO 6500 FT
>
> > Naturally, as a student I blindly planned a flight along one of the
> > unusable portions. Ooops!
>
> I do have the A/FD (portions of it). But having to look up each and every
> VOR? Why can't things be simple? And is every single pilot doing this, I
> wonder?

If the VOR is critical/important to the flight, then yes, every pilot
in that situation will look it up.
It is similar to getting the data for any airport you plan to use or
might need to use, before you fly.

I made a flight from Phoenix to Dallas. I spent several WEEKS
planning that puppy. It takes a lot of guessing and stressing out of
the flight. I offhandedly asked my instructor if everyone did this.
He said "I do".

writes:

> I made a flight from Phoenix to Dallas. I spent several WEEKS
> planning that puppy. It takes a lot of guessing and stressing out of
> the flight. I offhandedly asked my instructor if everyone did this.
> He said "I do".

Do you at least archive all your plans so that you can make the trip again
with a minimum of preparation?

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On Apr 17, 9:56 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Kev writes:
> > You'll also need an A/FD (Airport/Facility Directory). Among many
> > other things, it tells you if there are unusable radials for each VOR.
>
> I do have the A/FD (portions of it). But having to look up each and every
> VOR? Why can't things be simple? And is every single pilot doing this, I
> wonder?

A pilot who's going to use the VOR, should. They might also check
runway lengths, runway lighting, fuel availability, hours of
operation, local noise abatement procedures... sometimes asking other
pilots for local advice (you see that happen in this newsgroup).

Then there's all the NOTAMs. Including, related to VORs, equipment
outages. Again, as a student I once steered using a VOR without
ident'ing it first. If I had, I'd have noticed it was out of
service. Instead, I'm happily flying along, following a dead
instrument. My instructor noticed early on, grinning, but didn't say
anything for a while. Pretty embarassing, but you don't forget to
ident / verify after that ;-)

Just as if you were planning to drive across country, you'd usually
collect as much information as possible about roads, gas, tolls, even
perhaps local speed traps. Some do more research, some do very
little. The difference is that pilots are required by regulation to
collect as much information as possible. It's just about the vaguest
rule possible, and the most important in retrospect if something goes
wrong.

Kev

Mxsmanic > wrote in
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> writes:
>
>> I made a flight from Phoenix to Dallas. I spent several WEEKS
>> planning that puppy. It takes a lot of guessing and stressing out of
>> the flight. I offhandedly asked my instructor if everyone did this.
>> He said "I do".
>
> Do you at least archive all your plans so that you can make the trip
> again with a minimum of preparation?

Moron

bertie

On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:
> > I made a flight from Phoenix to Dallas. I spent several WEEKS
> > planning that puppy. It takes a lot of guessing and stressing out of
> > the flight. I offhandedly asked my instructor if everyone did this.
> > He said "I do".
>
> Do you at least archive all your plans so that you can make the trip again
> with a minimum of preparation?

Yep. Notebook's right here on the shelf.
I don't get to make that many big trips, so it's sorta special.

writes:

> On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> > writes:
> > > I made a flight from Phoenix to Dallas. I spent several WEEKS
> > > planning that puppy. It takes a lot of guessing and stressing out of
> > > the flight. I offhandedly asked my instructor if everyone did this.
> > > He said "I do".
> >
> > Do you at least archive all your plans so that you can make the trip again
> > with a minimum of preparation?
>
> Yep. Notebook's right here on the shelf.
> I don't get to make that many big trips, so it's sorta special.

Interesting. But isn't there a risk that much of your well-laid plans will be
screwed up by weather or ATC?

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...
> writes:
>
>> On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> > writes:
>> > > I made a flight from Phoenix to Dallas. I spent several WEEKS
>> > > planning that puppy. It takes a lot of guessing and stressing out of
>> > > the flight. I offhandedly asked my instructor if everyone did this.
>> > > He said "I do".
>> >
>> > Do you at least archive all your plans so that you can make the trip
>> > again
>> > with a minimum of preparation?
>>
>> Yep. Notebook's right here on the shelf.
>> I don't get to make that many big trips, so it's sorta special.
>
> Interesting. But isn't there a risk that much of your well-laid plans
> will be
> screwed up by weather or ATC?
>

No

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:

> > On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> > > writes:
> > > > I made a flight from Phoenix to Dallas. I spent several WEEKS
> > > > planning that puppy. It takes a lot of guessing and stressing out of
> > > > the flight. I offhandedly asked my instructor if everyone did this.
> > > > He said "I do".
> > >
> > > Do you at least archive all your plans so that you can make the trip again
> > > with a minimum of preparation?
> >
> > Yep. Notebook's right here on the shelf.
> > I don't get to make that many big trips, so it's sorta special.

> Interesting. But isn't there a risk that much of your well-laid plans will be
> screwed up by weather or ATC?

Yeah, you can never tell when the weather is going to move a VOR or
obliterate an airport.

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Mxsmanic > wrote in
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> writes:
>
>> On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> > writes:
>> > > I made a flight from Phoenix to Dallas. I spent several WEEKS
>> > > planning that puppy. It takes a lot of guessing and stressing
>> > > out of the flight. I offhandedly asked my instructor if everyone
>> > > did this. He said "I do".
>> >
>> > Do you at least archive all your plans so that you can make the
>> > trip again with a minimum of preparation?
>>
>> Yep. Notebook's right here on the shelf.
>> I don't get to make that many big trips, so it's sorta special.
>
> Interesting. But isn't there a risk that much of your well-laid plans
> will be screwed up by weather or ATC?

God you're an idiot


Berti e

On Apr 18, 6:52 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:

> > Yep. Notebook's right here on the shelf.
> > I don't get to make that many big trips, so it's sorta special.
>
> Interesting. But isn't there a risk that much of your well-laid plans will be
> screwed up by weather or ATC?


Sure. But weather's part of the planning. If the weather hadn't
looked to be within my capabilities, I wouldn't have gone, or I'd at
least have delayed. If you REALLY have to be there, drive or go
commercial. I even told the folks at work to be prepared for me being
a day or more late back.

ATC wasn't likely to keep me from getting to my selected airports.
But I did have plans for alternates just in case something went
haywire.

On Apr 18, 9:05 pm, wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote:
> > writes:
> > > On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> > > > writes:
> > > > > I made a flight from Phoenix to Dallas. I spent several WEEKS
> > > > > planning that puppy. It takes a lot of guessing and stressing out of
> > > > > the flight. I offhandedly asked my instructor if everyone did this.
> > > > > He said "I do".
>
> > > > Do you at least archive all your plans so that you can make the trip again
> > > > with a minimum of preparation?
>
> > > Yep. Notebook's right here on the shelf.
> > > I don't get to make that many big trips, so it's sorta special.
> > Interesting. But isn't there a risk that much of your well-laid plans will be
> > screwed up by weather or ATC?
>
> Yeah, you can never tell when the weather is going to move a VOR or
> obliterate an airport.
>
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>
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The wind was high enough at some points that I thought it WOULD move
the airport.