On C-130s painted in camoflauge they used to leave a panel bare on each side of
the vertical stab. There was a circle in the middle that was painted. What was
the purpose of doing this?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

On 18 Sep 2003 21:20:20 GMT, in rec.aviation.military (B2431)
wrote:

> On C-130s painted in camoflauge they used to leave a panel bare on each side of
> the vertical stab. There was a circle in the middle that was painted. What was
> the purpose of doing this?

That circle in the middle isn't paint, it's - for lack of a better term - glue.
Actually, a combination of adhesive and waterproofing. There is a longwire VHF
antenna that runs from there to the spine just behind the flight deck.

TSg Bill
7 ACCS (EC-130B) '75-'79

>That circle in the middle isn't paint, it's - for lack of a better term -
>glue.
>Actually, a combination of adhesive and waterproofing. There is a longwire
>VHF
>antenna that runs from there to the spine just behind the flight deck.
>
>TSg Bill

Most of the C-130s I worked on were the bubble top HC-130P and HC-130N and I
seem to recall the long wires went to the leading edge of the vertical stab.
Come to think of it the bare panel seems to have disappeared on the ones I
worked on long before we went to gray. Maybe it was a change on ours.

Many thanks.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

William Hughes > wrote:

>On 18 Sep 2003 21:20:20 GMT, in rec.aviation.military (B2431)
>wrote:
>
>> On C-130s painted in camoflauge they used to leave a panel bare on each side of
>> the vertical stab. There was a circle in the middle that was painted. What was
>> the purpose of doing this?
>
>That circle in the middle isn't paint, it's - for lack of a better term - glue.
>Actually, a combination of adhesive and waterproofing. There is a longwire VHF
>antenna that runs from there to the spine just behind the flight deck.
>
>TSg Bill
>7 ACCS (EC-130B) '75-'79

Much more likely it's an HF (High Frequency) antenna.

VHF doesn't use 'long wire antennas'
--

-Gord.

"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
...
> William Hughes > wrote:
>
> >On 18 Sep 2003 21:20:20 GMT, in rec.aviation.military
(B2431)
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On C-130s painted in camoflauge they used to leave a panel bare on each
side of
> >> the vertical stab. There was a circle in the middle that was painted.
What was
> >> the purpose of doing this?
> >
> >That circle in the middle isn't paint, it's - for lack of a better term -
glue.
> >Actually, a combination of adhesive and waterproofing. There is a
longwire VHF
> >antenna that runs from there to the spine just behind the flight deck.
> >
> >TSg Bill
> >7 ACCS (EC-130B) '75-'79
>
> Much more likely it's an HF (High Frequency) antenna.

Yep.

"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
...
>
> Much more likely it's an HF (High Frequency) antenna.
>
> VHF doesn't use 'long wire antennas'

You can operate on long wire antennae with VHF if you cut them right
(centre-fed droppy V-dipole, etc.) but there's no need to on an aircraft.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

"Andrew Chaplin" > wrote in message
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> "Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Much more likely it's an HF (High Frequency) antenna.
> >
> > VHF doesn't use 'long wire antennas'
>
> You can operate on long wire antennae with VHF if you cut them right
> (centre-fed droppy V-dipole, etc.) but there's no need to on an aircraft.

The c-130 is identical to what Gord wrote. In fact, my friends in Mojave
are seeking an STC to eliminate these wirs and put the antenna in the
vertical stab. (ie L139)

>The c-130 is identical to what Gord wrote. In fact, my friends in Mojave
>are seeking an STC to eliminate these wirs and put the antenna in the
>vertical stab. (ie L139)
>
>
C-130s are not STCed. To change it requires a class B mod or TCTO.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" > wrote in message
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> >The c-130 is identical to what Gord wrote. In fact, my friends in Mojave
> >are seeking an STC to eliminate these wirs and put the antenna in the
> >vertical stab. (ie L139)
> >
> >
> C-130s are not STCed. To change it requires a class B mod or TCTO.

That is why I wrote L139, dumbass. Do you ever get anything right, Dan?

>From: "Tarver Engineering"
>Date: 9/20/2003 10:49 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
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>> >The c-130 is identical to what Gord wrote. In fact, my friends in Mojave
>> >are seeking an STC to eliminate these wirs and put the antenna in the
>> >vertical stab. (ie L139)
>> >
>> >
>> C-130s are not STCed. To change it requires a class B mod or TCTO.
>
>That is why I wrote L139, dumbass. Do you ever get anything right, Dan?
>
Read what YOU wrote.


>> >The c-130 is identical to what Gord wrote. In fact, my friends in Mojave
>> >are seeking an STC to eliminate these wirs and put the antenna in the
>> >vertical stab.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" > wrote in message
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> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >Date: 9/20/2003 10:49 AM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >The c-130 is identical to what Gord wrote. In fact, my friends in
Mojave
> >> >are seeking an STC to eliminate these wirs and put the antenna in the
> >> >vertical stab. (ie L139)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> C-130s are not STCed. To change it requires a class B mod or TCTO.
> >
> >That is why I wrote L139, dumbass. Do you ever get anything right, Dan?
> >
> Read what YOU wrote.

Yes, Dan, an L-139 is a C-130.

Are you stupid?

> >> >The c-130 is identical to what Gord wrote. In fact, my friends in
Mojave
> >> >are seeking an STC to eliminate these wirs and put the antenna in the
> >> >vertical stab.

>Yes, Dan, an L-139 is a C-130.
>
>Are you stupid?

Did you mean L-100?


Ron
Tucson AZ
C-421 air ambulance

"Ron" > wrote in message
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> >Yes, Dan, an L-139 is a C-130.

> Did you mean L-100?

There ya' go, now Dan can do a google search.

>From: "Tarver Engineering"
>Date: 9/20/2003 12:10 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"Ron" > wrote in message
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>> >Yes, Dan, an L-139 is a C-130.
>
>> Did you mean L-100?
>
>There ya' go, now Dan can do a google search.
>
Tarver, an L-100 is NOT a C-130 as far as the FAA is concerned. The C-130 is
not required to be certified, the L-100 is.

In any event, you are contradicting yourself and I don't feel like arguing with
you.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" > wrote in message
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> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >Date: 9/20/2003 12:10 PM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >Yes, Dan, an L-139 is a C-130.
> >
> >> Did you mean L-100?
> >
> >There ya' go, now Dan can do a google search.
> >
> Tarver, an L-100 is NOT a C-130 as far as the FAA is concerned.

The HF antenna is Identical

>From: "Tarver Engineering"
>Date: 9/20/2003 6:40 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
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>> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>> >Date: 9/20/2003 12:10 PM Central Daylight Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Ron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> >Yes, Dan, an L-139 is a C-130.
>> >
>> >> Did you mean L-100?
>> >
>> >There ya' go, now Dan can do a google search.
>> >
>> Tarver, an L-100 is NOT a C-130 as far as the FAA is concerned.
>
>The HF antenna is Identical
>
That doesn't change the fact that a C-130 isn't STC'd as you orininally said.

Have a nice life.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" > wrote in message
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> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >Date: 9/20/2003 6:40 PM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >> >Date: 9/20/2003 12:10 PM Central Daylight Time
> >> >Message-id: >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Ron" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> >Yes, Dan, an L-139 is a C-130.
> >> >
> >> >> Did you mean L-100?
> >> >
> >> >There ya' go, now Dan can do a google search.
> >> >
> >> Tarver, an L-100 is NOT a C-130 as far as the FAA is concerned.
> >
> >The HF antenna is Identical
> >
> That doesn't change the fact that a C-130 isn't STC'd as you orininally
said.

An L-100 is a C-130, Dan. And yes FAA people do call it a C-130.

> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

No pension, not retired.

>
>An L-100 is a C-130, Dan. And yes FAA people do call it a C-130.
>
>> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
>No pension, not retired.
>
An L-100 is a certifed aircraft and a C-130 is not. Earlier you said it was
they weren't the same. Make up your mind.

As for the pension, I am no longer collecting a pension since my disability
went to 100% VA a year ago so I guess you are correct that I am not collecting
a pension. Now I would ask you to prove I am not retired but you can't so you
are dismissed.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" > wrote in message
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> >
> >An L-100 is a C-130, Dan. And yes FAA people do call it a C-130.
> >
> >> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
> >
> >No pension, not retired.
> >
> An L-100 is a certifed aircraft and a C-130 is not.

No, an L-100 is a civil certified C-130.

>From: "Tarver Engineering"
>Date: 9/21/2003 11:26 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
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>> >
>> >An L-100 is a C-130, Dan. And yes FAA people do call it a C-130.
>> >
>> >> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>> >
>> >No pension, not retired.
>> >
>> An L-100 is a certifed aircraft and a C-130 is not.
>
>No, an L-100 is a civil certified C-130.
>

That's what I just said, genius. What brought this all up was you saying a
C-130 was STC'd. All I said was you can't STC a C-130 you have to TCTO or cat
2B mod it to remove or change the long wire antennae.

I guess I won't discuss this further. Bye now.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" > wrote in message
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> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >Date: 9/21/2003 11:26 PM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >
> >> >An L-100 is a C-130, Dan. And yes FAA people do call it a C-130.
> >> >
> >> >> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
> >> >
> >> >No pension, not retired.
> >> >
> >> An L-100 is a certifed aircraft and a C-130 is not.
> >
> >No, an L-100 is a civil certified C-130.
> >
>
> That's what I just said, genius.

No, my idiot, you said there is no STC for a C-130.

>No, my idiot, you said there is no STC for a C-130.

And there aren't. STCs only apply to certified aircraft. C-130s are not
certified and can be modified by TCTO not STC. L-100s are certified and can be
modified by STC.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >Date: 9/21/2003 11:26 PM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >
> >> >An L-100 is a C-130, Dan. And yes FAA people do call it a C-130.
> >> >
> >> >> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
> >> >
> >> >No pension, not retired.
> >> >
> >> An L-100 is a certifed aircraft and a C-130 is not.
> >
> >No, an L-100 is a civil certified C-130.
> >
>
> That's what I just said, genius.

No, my idiot, you said there is no STC for a C-130.

"B2431" > wrote in message
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> >No, my idiot, you said there is no STC for a C-130.
>
> And there aren't. STCs only apply to certified aircraft. C-130s are not
> certified and can be modified by TCTO not STC.

A time compliance technical order is like an SB Dan, not an STC.

I think there is a real possibility the STC'd HF antenna in the stab will be
used in C-130s. In fact, the STC will probably be tabbed identically into
the records of the C-130s. The USAF gives a lot of respect to civil
certified equipments. It is a basis.

> L-100s are certified and can be
> modified by STC.

Yes, an L-100 is a civil certified C-130 that requires a Part 25 change to
be modified.