I've been using the free AVG anti-virus program for probably a couple
years now. It runs automatically at a time you set and upgrades are
frequent and free. It has caught several viruses. I installed it on
a friend's computer who had Norton running. After I installed it from
AVG's website, it ran through the detection program and found a virus
that the Norton program had completely missed. It scans e-mail also.
I tried to post this in Campbell's thread about the virus warning, but
kept getting an error message. If you need a good anti-virus program,
this one is hard to beat and the price is right. They sell a program
for networks or something, but for the single user, the free one works
great.

http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.htm?session=511cb658f4e89a7467c5f4f74d535 82d

Ken J. - Virus-free in Sandy A. Geaux

>fter I installed it from
>AVG's website, it ran through the detection program and found a virus
>that the Norton program had completely missed. It scans e-mail also.

Um, u do know that u have to keep things updated and well most people dont
remember to update there norton so dont knock norton. Actually norton pro 2003
is the best ranked virus scanner out there. U do get what u pay for, the free
ones are fine but the updates are slower.....

On 31 Aug 2003 21:32:37 GMT, (CW9371) wrote:

>>fter I installed it from
>>AVG's website, it ran through the detection program and found a virus
>>that the Norton program had completely missed. It scans e-mail also.
>
>Um, u do know that u have to keep things updated and well most people dont
>remember to update there norton so dont knock norton. Actually norton pro 2003
>is the best ranked virus scanner out there. U do get what u pay for, the free
>ones are fine but the updates are slower.....

Personally, I like McAfee better than Norton. It is less intrusive and
in it's default configuration REMOVES files it cannot clean, rather
than the innocuous"quarantine" which can leave an active virus file on
the computer.

All the way around I find Symantec (Norton) to be hard to deal with.
Their support, when required, sucks. They have the attitude that they
don't make mistakes, so if you have a problem it is something YOU are
doing wrong.

Things have changed a lot since Peter Norton is out of the picture.


McAfee and Norton are very similar in price

First of all, you need to study up on the difference between "there"
"their" and "they're".

Second of all, the free antivirus software packages provide updates a
couple of times a week. Since you obviously didn't find your complete
lack of experience with the subject matter a hindrance to your spouting
off, I doubt that any facts I may provide will change your preconceived
notions.

For the rest of you, just do a google for "free antivirus" (put it in
quotes). I recommend AVG or Anti-Vir.

And why the heck isn't BWB completely plonked by everybody by now ?


(CW9371) wrote in
:

>>fter I installed it from
>>AVG's website, it ran through the detection program and found a virus
>>that the Norton program had completely missed. It scans e-mail also.
>
> Um, u do know that u have to keep things updated and well most people
> dont remember to update there norton so dont knock norton. Actually
> norton pro 2003 is the best ranked virus scanner out there. U do get
> what u pay for, the free ones are fine but the updates are
> slower.....

Actually norton pro 2003
> is the best ranked virus scanner out there. U do get what u pay for, the
free
> ones are fine but the updates are slower.....

Not entirely true.

While Norton is great, there are plenty of other players out there who are
just as good.

AVG from Grisoft is just as good in most cases.
Althought it has not always been there, as of June 2003, on Windows XP, it
is just as good, especially at catching virus' "in the wild", those that no
one yet knows about.

I run it at all of my corporate clients and have for over a year now and no
one has had a virus yet, servers included.

Don't take my word for it, read about it.

http://www.icsalabs.com/html/communities/antivirus/certification/certprod.shtml

http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/tests.xml?200306

James Taylor
www.AICompany.com

I have Norton. The latest copy. I have been running Norton for about 4
years. When I switched to DSL all of a sudden the little opening and
closing envelope that indicates Norton is checking the incoming email
quit working. For a program for which I pay yearly to maintain the
update subscription I was surprised that I could not call anyone on the
phone. So I composed an email to their technical people and got a course
on removing and reinstalling NAV involving physically editing the
register. Did that, no joy.

Then I got an idiot who said that my firewall was causing the
interference with the icon function. Disable the firewall and Norton
will work again...yeh, sure it did. OK, remove the firewall and
reinstall Norton then reinstall the firewall. So much fun!

Did not fix it. I had a new copy of NAV, never used full program
supplied with my lap top. Uninstalled and cleanded the registry and temp
files. Installed the "NEW" NAV(a one month old edition) and updated it
to no avail.

THe tech then said that the NAV probably was working just not the
icon...to test its function he sent me to a web site to download a "fake
virus" that I could then attach to an email I would send to myself.
Well, my ISP actually does a pretty good job of filtering viruses from
inbound email (I have Norton for insurance) so the "fake virus" could
not get through to my Eudora email. I cannot test this method without
disabling all the goodies that prevent "port" attacks through my DSL.

Norton does not have a fix that assures me that it is actually
functioning. I am now looking at McAfee. Any suggestions on the Norton?

--
Bruce A. Frank

clare, @, snyder.on, .ca wrote:
>
> On 31 Aug 2003 21:32:37 GMT, (CW9371) wrote:
>
> >>fter I installed it from
> >>AVG's website, it ran through the detection program and found a virus
> >>that the Norton program had completely missed. It scans e-mail also.
> >
> >Um, u do know that u have to keep things updated and well most people dont
> >remember to update there norton so dont knock norton. Actually norton pro 2003
> >is the best ranked virus scanner out there. U do get what u pay for, the free
> >ones are fine but the updates are slower.....
>
> Personally, I like McAfee better than Norton. It is less intrusive and
> in it's default configuration REMOVES files it cannot clean, rather
> than the innocuous"quarantine" which can leave an active virus file on
> the computer.
>
> All the way around I find Symantec (Norton) to be hard to deal with.
> Their support, when required, sucks. They have the attitude that they
> don't make mistakes, so if you have a problem it is something YOU are
> doing wrong.
>
> Things have changed a lot since Peter Norton is out of the picture.
>
> McAfee and Norton are very similar in price

asd wrote:

>
>
> And why the heck isn't BWB completely plonked by everybody by now ?
>

Because once in a while he comes up with a goody or two. My favorite is the
"soaring with the birds" story of a few years ago.

Warren

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:37:34 -0400, Warren & Nancy wrote:


>
> asd wrote:
>
>
>
>> And why the heck isn't BWB completely plonked by everybody by now ?
>>
>>
> Because once in a while he comes up with a goody or two. My favorite is
> the "soaring with the birds" story of a few years ago.
>
> Warren

I figure if he ever again posts something worthwhile someone will be sure
to comment on it, and I'll see that. So there is no downside to just
plonking him.

--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/

Ken Sandyeggo wrote:

>
>
> U, U should reread my post where I said I ran the AVG and it found a
> virus that the Norton never found and my friend had a current version.
> And, the user is notified automatically when a segmment of the system
> needs to be upgraded by AVG. You're saying that people forget to
> upgrade their Norton, and I'm telling you that the user is
> automatically notified of the AVG upgrades.

Norton can be configured to update itsel.

> Now if you think that
> paying a hefty sum for a virus program that doesn't find viruses that
> the free AVG one does and you have to remember to upgrade on your own
> where the AVG system notifies the user, then I have a bridge I'd like
> to sell you. I'd say that clearly, in this case, you didn't get what
> you paid for....the free AVG system appears to be better at finding
> viruses and reminding of updates than Norton.

I haven't paid anything but sales tax for NAV for a cou;le of years. I upgraded this year with
Quicken and TurboTax, and didn't pay anything but sales tax for any of the three.

> I used Norton a few
> years ago, and the best thing it was capable of was locking up my
> computer.

NAV locked up the computer. Hmmmm! Hasn't happened to me yet. rap rap rap (knock on wood)

> An easy test is to install the free AVG system and see
> which performs better.
>
> Ken J. - SDCAUSA

> Norton does not have a fix that assures me that it is actually
> functioning. I am now looking at McAfee. Any suggestions on the Norton?

Blame Bill Gates!

Hey, it works for everything (and everyone) else on the is newsgroup! :)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Roger Halstead" > wrote in message
...
> Once things get screwed up Norton can be a real pain to fix as it
> leaves tracks all over the computer.

I've used Norton for ten years without a problem on my personal and company
machines. I've repaired a number of manchines that had Norton removal
issues - almost all could be fixed by a reinstall/uninstall.

I would almost rather go naked than run McAfee on a machine. It can be
horrible to remove all traces of this application and can be buggy as hell.

In a previous post, somebody commented that x AV found a virus that y AV
missed. In many cases, this appears to be the case, but something else is
going on.

In some cases, an AV program can alert on a file that has been fixed by
another AV program, as AV programs have different definition profiles and
different schemes for removing a virus.

In other cases, an AV program can alert to the def files or log files of
another AV program.

"Roger Halstead" > wrote in message
...
> On 31 Aug 2003 12:08:09 -0700, (Ken Sandyeggo)
> wrote:
>
> Although this could be the greatest virus checker ever invented.
> When I see awesome and free in the same line it goes in the bit
> bucket. That is one of the key triggers for spam in many filters.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
> www.rogerhalstead.com
> N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

HAHA,

Kinda like opinions on this NG Roger?


James Taylor
www.AICompany.com

Guess I should expect constructive criticism from RAH anymore?

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> > Norton does not have a fix that assures me that it is actually
> > functioning. I am now looking at McAfee. Any suggestions on the Norton?
>
> Blame Bill Gates!
>
> Hey, it works for everything (and everyone) else on the is newsgroup! :)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

--
Bruce A. Frank

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:39:15 GMT, "C.D. Damron"
> wrote:

>
>"Roger Halstead" > wrote in message
...
>> Once things get screwed up Norton can be a real pain to fix as it
>> leaves tracks all over the computer.
>
>I've used Norton for ten years without a problem on my personal and company
>machines. I've repaired a number of manchines that had Norton removal
>issues - almost all could be fixed by a reinstall/uninstall.
>
>I would almost rather go naked than run McAfee on a machine. It can be
>horrible to remove all traces of this application and can be buggy as hell.

I'm a computer tech and have used Norton since about 15 years ago -
when Peter Norton was in charge and it was the only game in town. I do
not use it today.
I have also used McAfee for years - and I have NEVER had a problem
removing it from my system. It works quite well. In the last 3 years I
have not had any "buggy" issues with it. I use the Online
subscription.
>
>In a previous post, somebody commented that x AV found a virus that y AV
>missed. In many cases, this appears to be the case, but something else is
>going on.
>
>In some cases, an AV program can alert on a file that has been fixed by
>another AV program, as AV programs have different definition profiles and
>different schemes for removing a virus.
>
>In other cases, an AV program can alert to the def files or log files of
>another AV program.
>
>
>
>

>
>Norton does not have a fix that assures me that it is actually
>functioning. I am now looking at McAfee. Any suggestions on the Norton?

What version of norton are u running. I do computer consulting and were using
norton at evrey business we do and we never have any problems. What icon are u
talking about since i have norton set to check my email instant messangers etc,
but yet i dont have any icons playing. Personaly i think mcafee SUCKS. If u
want to use something else go to www.pandasoftware.com I think thats the 2nd
best antivirus software outthere. I know we use there free online scanner to
fix computers when we get a new client who always seems to have mcafee running
on it and just a ton of virus.
Christopher Wilcox, President
CGW Insurance/Investments
Registered Investment Advisor
www.cgwi.com

<clare @ snyder.on .ca> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:39:15 GMT, "C.D. Damron"
> > wrote:
>
> I'm a computer tech and have used Norton since about 15 years ago -
> when Peter Norton was in charge and it was the only game in town. I do
> not use it today.
> I have also used McAfee for years - and I have NEVER had a problem
> removing it from my system. It works quite well. In the last 3 years I
> have not had any "buggy" issues with it. I use the Online
> subscription.


It is clear that our experiences differ.

You mention that you have never had a problem removing it from your system,
without mentioning your experiences with your customer's systems. I
haven't had problems removing either Norton or McAfee from MY machines.
However, my experience with customer machines has been dramatically
different.

Users tend to stick with whatever AV they have been using, so removals have
been relatively rare for me until recently. As credible free AV programs
have become available, more and more of my customers are asking me to remove
Norton and McAfee AV programs from their machines. Some of my customers
that have been running both Norton and McAfee are giving up McAfee after
witnessing their slower reaction time to new threats, recently.

Just this weekend, I attempted to remove a McAfee AV and firewall. While
the removal didn't cause any problems, the uninstall didn't remove all
components.

I have had problems removing it from a dozen systems. The web is full of
helpful removal tips for those cursed with the ghost of McAfee. NAV, from
NAV 2001 to Symantec Corporate Edition, have presented no removal problems
for me.

On some of the computer boards, my suggestion of a reinstall/uninstall has
cured every case of a stubborn NAV removal.

My experiences might be geographically biased, given the University of
Kentucky's wide usage of McAfee. I have probably seen a disproportionate
amount of McAfee problems, in my town. However, a little Google research
will reveal the McAfee is ahead of the pack, with regards to removal issues.

Not that I don't have my gripes with NAV, a number of viruses require manual
removal after detection. Not a big deal for a professional, but I'm not
sure that everybody should be messing around with the Windows registry.

Let me know if you run into any problems removing McAfee in the future. I'd
be glad to help. :)

>>Norton does not have a fix that assures me that it is actually
>>functioning. I am now looking at McAfee. Any suggestions on the Norton?
>
>What version of norton are u running. I do computer consulting and were using
>norton at evrey business we do and we never have any problems. What icon are u
>talking about since i have norton set to check my email instant messangers etc,
>but yet i dont have any icons playing.

>Christopher Wilcox
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I run Norton and there is an icon in my Taskbar.

It reports... Norton Antivirus Auto-Protect Enabled.
When I double left click the icon, Norton SystemWorks
2003 reports the System Status and more.

Barnyard BOb --

In article >, clare @ snyder.on .ca
writes:

>
>I'm a computer tech and have used Norton since about 15 years ago -
>when Peter Norton was in charge and it was the only game in town. I do
>not use it today.
>I have also used McAfee for years - and I have NEVER had a problem
>removing it from my system. It works quite well. In the last 3 years I
>have not had any "buggy" issues with it. I use the Online
>subscription.
>>
>

I used McAfee for some time until I finally traced a problem with my machine
freezing up several times per day to McAfee. I removed it and never experience
a problem after that. I will not go back again. I got real tired of having to
power down everthing and then waiting for the disk checks to run.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

The way my Norton USED to work was that when Eudora was receiving email
a new animated envelope icon would pop up in the systray (task bar lower
RH side of my Win 2000 screen) As email was downloaded the envelope
would open and close as each message was scanned.

The icon for the Norton Anti-virus program is always there allowing one
to right click and select to open or disable the auto-protect part of
program.

Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
>
> >>Norton does not have a fix that assures me that it is actually
> >>functioning. I am now looking at McAfee. Any suggestions on the Norton?
> >
> >What version of norton are u running. I do computer consulting and were using
> >norton at evrey business we do and we never have any problems. What icon are u
> >talking about since i have norton set to check my email instant messangers etc,
> >but yet i dont have any icons playing.
>
> >Christopher Wilcox
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> I run Norton and there is an icon in my Taskbar.
>
> It reports... Norton Antivirus Auto-Protect Enabled.
> When I double left click the icon, Norton SystemWorks
> 2003 reports the System Status and more.
>
> Barnyard BOb --

--
Bruce A. Frank, Editor "Ford 3.8/4.2L Engine and V-6 STOL
Homebuilt Aircraft Newsletter"
| Publishing interesting material|
| on all aspects of alternative |
| engines and homebuilt aircraft.|

Norton 2003 Pro
Right click on the icon and the choices are open disable/enable and configure.
I never have had a problem in all our systems with the email. But it could be
becasue of the eudora which i am not familiar with. All of our clients use
outlook for there email. I think if you were still having problems after
uninstalling and reinstalling norton this is what i would do.
Uninstall norton. Shut down the computer. Go to www.iolo.com and download
system mechanic. You get a 30 day free trial. Its a great program by the way.
Even microsoft endorses it to clean up the registry and for other things. I
would clean up your registery then reboot and then reinstall norton. If u had
a cable modem i would also go to www.pandasoftware.com and run there online
virus scan before reinstalling norton. SInce there are some virus that have
been written to disable norton and once u have them u cant reinstall norton and
get it to work properly.

chris

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:34:27 GMT, "Bruce A. Frank"
> wrote:

>Guess I should expect constructive criticism from RAH anymore?
>
>Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
>> > Norton does not have a fix that assures me that it is actually
>> > functioning. I am now looking at McAfee. Any suggestions on the Norton?

It depends on the configuration, but when I send e-mail a yellow
window pops up that says Norton is checking the e-mail

Norton Anti Virus (NAV) has a windows that tells the status. From this
window you can set auto-protect, e-mail scanning, script blocking,
full system scan (gives date of last full scan), virus definitions
(lat updated), expiration date of subscription service, and Automatic
Live Update (on or off)

When ever NAV does a system scan you should see a window showing the
progress.

Good Luck,

Roger (I'm shuttin' this thin off and goin' flying) Halstead (K8RI)

>>
>> Blame Bill Gates!
>>
>> Hey, it works for everything (and everyone) else on the is newsgroup! :)
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
>> Iowa City, IA
>> Pathfinder N56993
>> www.AlexisParkInn.com
>> "Your Aviation Destination"

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

On 1 Sep 2003 18:56:34 -0700, (Ken Sandyeggo)
wrote:

>Roger Halstead > wrote in message >...
>> On 31 Aug 2003 12:08:09 -0700, (Ken Sandyeggo)
>> wrote:
>>
>> Although this could be the greatest virus checker ever invented.
>> When I see awesome and free in the same line it goes in the bit
>> bucket. That is one of the key triggers for spam in many filters.
>>
>> Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
>> www.rogerhalstead.com
>> N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
>If I owned any part of AVG or sold anything made by them, then it
>would be spam. Unfortunately, I don't. Gee now I have to be careful
>that I don't use any words in the English language that spammers use?
>Wow, I have a formidable task ahead of me. Too bad that you let dumb
>**** like that form your opinions. You should try to "trigger" your
>common sense and discernment to help you form opinions, not key words.
>
>KJSDCAUSA
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Screw the nay sayers, Ken.
I'm a spanking, brand new believer.

I was notified minutes ago that my email delivered a trojan horse.
Twas an exe download supposedly from MUSICMATCH Jukebox.
I've used MUSICMATCH Jukebox, so it seemed like it could have
been legitimate - except they have never sent me an executable
out of the blue before.

Thanks for saving me from who knows what.

And Roger...
If there are pop ups involved with this FREE AV program.....
I don't see 'em. Maybe, that's because I use a FREE browser
called Mozilla that knocks the dog**** out of pop ups? <g>

BTW...
Nothing from Norton AV. ;-(


Barnyard BOb --

>And Roger...
>If there are pop ups involved with this FREE AV program.....
>I don't see 'em. Maybe, that's because I use a FREE browser
>called Mozilla that knocks the dog**** out of pop ups? <g>
>
>BTW...
>Nothing from Norton AV. ;-(
>
>
>Barnyard BOb --
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

ARRGH.
Why the hell have I got popups on my mind? <g>

FWIW --
No spam from AVG... yet.


Barnyard BOb --

>I was notified minutes ago that my email delivered a trojan horse.
>Twas an exe download supposedly from MUSICMATCH Jukebox.

Well if u sent the email u should know what it was. If u didnt send the email
then you have a trojan and well agv isnt doing a good job since you already
have it on your system.

In regards to free browsers like mozilla thats fine if u dont need to use a
computer with internet explorer for work since u need popups sometimes to get
though all the security systems to do online trading for work since i do
investements...

But if your really worried about virus, just go with linux star office and
that sort of thing and then 99% of the virus wont work for u since no one
writes linux virus cause its no fun since not enough people use linux
chris