I want to know how a bird maintains positional awareness and avoids
vertigo while in the clouds. My next stop is to try & find out via
Google & other online resources.
If anyone here knows, though, it may make an interesting topic.

Ricky

Ricky wrote:
> I want to know how a bird maintains positional awareness and avoids
> vertigo while in the clouds. My next stop is to try & find out via

How do you know they do? All birds? Small birds?

A bird will feel aerodynamic and gravitational forces directly via the
force he must exert to fly, the shape in which he must hold his wings,
etc.

Birds are weird creatures, by the way; there used to be that "Meet Bob"
commercial on TV that had some guy whistling the jingle. Our bird would
go bananas BEFORE we perceived that the commercial was even on.
Weirdest thing. Also, if you record a bird and play it back to him, he
will react to it before possibly can. My theory is that the sound has
less distance to travel from his ear to his pea brain, which is less
cluttered anyway, so he's able to respond much faster than larger animals.

What about bats? They just sort of flap around in the dark. Bees
navigate. I don't think the answers to these things has much bearing on
piloting because humans are not physiologically predisposed to flight.

But it is a good question; what happens to a flight of geese launching
through a low overcast?

-c

Ricky wrote:
> I want to know how a bird maintains positional awareness and avoids
> vertigo while in the clouds.

I assume migratory birds use their internal compass sense to maintain
awareness. If it's good enough to land you on the same beach halfway
around the world every year, it's good enough to fly through a cloud with.

Of course, I think most birds are smart enough to avoid the clouds in
the first place. You don't hear many stories of birds icing up and
having carburetor trouble (or running out of fuel, for that matter. :P ).

TheSmokingGnu

gatt > wrote in
:

> But it is a good question; what happens to a flight of geese launching
> through a low overcast?

They bump into each other, resulting in goose bumps! :-)

Ricky > wrote:
> I want to know how a bird maintains positional awareness and avoids
> vertigo while in the clouds. My next stop is to try & find out via
> Google & other online resources.
> If anyone here knows, though, it may make an interesting topic.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Birding-1435/birds-fly-clouds.htm

"Birds can fly in clouds for very short periods only. Just like us, they
would get disoriented. They might fly up or down through clouds to get to
clear sky but they will not spend much time in them. They have no special
senses and get quickly disoriented when they cannot see the horizon. I know
of no statistics on birdstrikes in clouds.

Roger Lederer at Ornithology.com"

Jim Logajan wrote:
> Ricky > wrote:
>> I want to know how a bird maintains positional awareness and avoids
>> vertigo while in the clouds. My next stop is to try & find out via
>> Google & other online resources.
>> If anyone here knows, though, it may make an interesting topic.
>
> http://en.allexperts.com/q/Birding-1435/birds-fly-clouds.htm
>
> "Birds can fly in clouds for very short periods only. Just like us, they
> would get disoriented. They might fly up or down through clouds to get to
> clear sky but they will not spend much time in them. They have no special
> senses and get quickly disoriented when they cannot see the horizon. I know
> of no statistics on birdstrikes in clouds.
>
> Roger Lederer at Ornithology.com"

Have you ever noticed that when Geese fly in a Vee formation, one side
of the Vee is always longer than the other. Do you know why that
situation exists?
There are more Geese in that line.

--
Dudley Henriques

On May 27, 6:58*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:


> Have you ever noticed that when Geese fly in a Vee formation, one side
> of the Vee is always longer than the other. Do you know why that
> situation exists?
> There are more Geese in that line.
>

Ha, ha. But really, does anyone have a theory why that is?

skym > wrote in news:e1d25e29-b098-4632-a1c7-
:

> On May 27, 6:58*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>
>> Have you ever noticed that when Geese fly in a Vee formation, one side
>> of the Vee is always longer than the other. Do you know why that
>> situation exists?
>> There are more Geese in that line.
>>
>
> Ha, ha. But really, does anyone have a theory why that is?

They have an underdeveloped sense of symmetry and math skills~?



Bertie

skym wrote:
> On May 27, 6:58 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>
>> Have you ever noticed that when Geese fly in a Vee formation, one side
>> of the Vee is always longer than the other. Do you know why that
>> situation exists?
>> There are more Geese in that line.
>>
>
> Ha, ha. But really, does anyone have a theory why that is?
Actually I was kidding about the extended line on one side. I believe
Geese can fly a perfect V with equal sides if they desire to do so.

I vaguely recall some time ago someone telling me that Geese use the
same sort of formation strategy as NASCAR drivers drafting on a super
speedway. The formation creates less overall drag than individuals
flying alone. This enables them to use less energy flying and they can
extend their range this way.

It's fascinating really the way nature works with these animals.
I lived for many years on a riverside in Maryland. My home there was
right at the water's edge. We used to watch the birds migrate each year
and always marveled at their precision.
I distinctly remember one year watching as the leader broke out of the
formation and drifted back to the tail end charlie position as the next
bird in the line took his place.




--
Dudley Henriques

On May 27, 6:23 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> skym wrote:
> > On May 27, 6:58 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
> >> Have you ever noticed that when Geese fly in a Vee formation, one side
> >> of the Vee is always longer than the other. Do you know why that
> >> situation exists?
> >> There are more Geese in that line.
>
> > Ha, ha. But really, does anyone have a theory why that is?
>
> Actually I was kidding about the extended line on one side. I believe
> Geese can fly a perfect V with equal sides if they desire to do so.

LOL, "desire to", Geese have about the same IQ as Bertie,
(but at least they actually do fly). I've seen formations like

/
/\
/ \

and even more complicated.
I design EAR's as in this link,
http://www.trak4.com/earco/index.html
There's a bit of a story there about Geese.
Got loon sounds there.

> I vaguely recall some time ago someone telling me that Geese use the
> same sort of formation strategy as NASCAR drivers drafting on a super
> speedway. The formation creates less overall drag than individuals
> flying alone. This enables them to use less energy flying and they can
> extend their range this way.

There was a movie about a guy who trained geese
to migrate using an ultra light.

> It's fascinating really the way nature works with these animals.
> I lived for many years on a riverside in Maryland. My home there was
> right at the water's edge. We used to watch the birds migrate each year
> and always marveled at their precision.
> I distinctly remember one year watching as the leader broke out of the
> formation and drifted back to the tail end charlie position as the next
> bird in the line took his place.
> Dudley Henriques

Ken

On 2008-05-28, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> It's fascinating really the way nature works with these animals.

I like watching large waterfowl take off and land, like swans.

Swans start paddling frantically and flapping, until they get "on the
step", and then it looks much more organized - as their take off run
progresses, then they break the water and climb out. You can see the
tremendous effort they exert as they try and break free of the draggy
water.

Landing's also interesting - you see them hang everything out, 'put the
flaps down' as such, their wings seem to take on much more camber as
they glide in, then waterski on their webbed feet, and then actively use
their wings as airbrakes by beating the air, till they stop.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

On May 28, 3:08*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> skym > wrote in news:e1d25e29-b098-4632-a1c7-
> :
>
> > On May 27, 6:58*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
> >> Have you ever noticed that when Geese fly in a Vee formation, one side
> >> of the Vee is always longer than the other. Do you know why that
> >> situation exists?
> >> There are more Geese in that line.
>
> > Ha, ha. *But really, does anyone have a theory why that is?
>
> They have an underdeveloped sense of symmetry and math skills~?
>
> Bertie

Think it is because of the drag, they reduce drag this way. It depends
on which direction the wind blows. Also heard that their 'compass
system' is based on the iron contained in their blood cells...
Amazing.

Rgrds,
Alex

On Tue, 27 May 2008 18:05:27 -0700 (PDT), skym wrote:

> On May 27, 6:58*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>> Have you ever noticed that when Geese fly in a Vee formation, one side
>> of the Vee is always longer than the other. Do you know why that
>> situation exists?
>> There are more Geese in that line.
>>
>
> Ha, ha. But really, does anyone have a theory why that is?

Geese sociologists refer to the theorem that geese enjoy having an odd
geese out.

On Tue, 27 May 2008 21:23:05 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote:

> Actually I was kidding about the extended line on one side. I believe
> Geese can fly a perfect V with equal sides if they desire to do so.

Only GooseGod is perfect.

> I vaguely recall some time ago someone telling me that Geese use the
> same sort of formation strategy as NASCAR drivers drafting on a super
> speedway. The formation creates less overall drag than individuals
> flying alone. This enables them to use less energy flying and they can
> extend their range this way.

Stay within your field of expertise which isn't NASCAR or geese,
obviously.

> It's fascinating really the way nature works with these animals.

Someone has too, they're too stupid to crawl into their cars without
assistance.

> I lived for many years on a riverside in Maryland. My home there was
> right at the water's edge. We used to watch the birds migrate each year
> and always marveled at their precision.

Why is their **** white when they eat red berries?

> I distinctly remember one year watching as the leader broke out of the
> formation and drifted back to the tail end charlie position as the next
> bird in the line took his place.

Call me when you see them in the missionary position.

And then there is this:


http://brainclutter.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/bald-eage-vs-swan/

On Wed, 28 May 2008 01:09:55 -0700 (PDT), Alek >
wrote:

>On May 28, 3:08*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> skym > wrote in news:e1d25e29-b098-4632-a1c7-
>> :
>>
>> > On May 27, 6:58*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>
>> >> Have you ever noticed that when Geese fly in a Vee formation, one side
>> >> of the Vee is always longer than the other. Do you know why that
>> >> situation exists?
>> >> There are more Geese in that line.
>>
>> > Ha, ha. *But really, does anyone have a theory why that is?
>>
>> They have an underdeveloped sense of symmetry and math skills~?
>>
>> Bertie
>
>Think it is because of the drag, they reduce drag this way. It depends
>on which direction the wind blows. Also heard that their 'compass
>system' is based on the iron contained in their blood cells...
>Amazing.
>
>Rgrds,
>Alex

no no no no. all blood has iron in it. haemoglobin molecules have a
core of 4 iron atoms. with 12 litres of blood in you you dont make the
compass swing when your hand is near it or have magnets sticking to
you. ...well I dont.

truely,the really competent migratory birds have tiny nodules of
magnetic iron in some of the tissues in their head.
they're flying by compass. literally.

Stealth Pilot

Alek > wrote in
:

> On May 28, 3:08*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> skym > wrote in news:e1d25e29-b098-4632-a1c7-
>> :
>>
>> > On May 27, 6:58*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>
>> >> Have you ever noticed that when Geese fly in a Vee formation, one
>> >> side of the Vee is always longer than the other. Do you know why
>> >> that situation exists?
>> >> There are more Geese in that line.
>>
>> > Ha, ha. *But really, does anyone have a theory why that is?
>>
>> They have an underdeveloped sense of symmetry and math skills~?
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Think it is because of the drag, they reduce drag this way. It depends
> on which direction the wind blows.


Doubt that since I'm pretty sure they figured out long ago that wind
doesn't affect them in that way.

Also heard that their 'compass
> system' is based on the iron contained in their blood cells...
> Amazing.

Now that sounds as if it could be possible, OK....

Bertie
>
> Rgrds,
> Alex
>

"Ken S. Tucker" > wrote in
:

> On May 27, 6:23 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> skym wrote:
>> > On May 27, 6:58 pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>
>> >> Have you ever noticed that when Geese fly in a Vee formation, one
>> >> side of the Vee is always longer than the other. Do you know why
>> >> that situation exists?
>> >> There are more Geese in that line.
>>
>> > Ha, ha. But really, does anyone have a theory why that is?
>>
>> Actually I was kidding about the extended line on one side. I believe
>> Geese can fly a perfect V with equal sides if they desire to do so.
>
> LOL, "desire to", Geese have about the same IQ as Bertie,

Still four times your's...



> (but at least they actually do fly). I've seen formations like
>
> /
> /\
> / \
>
> and even more complicated.
> I design EAR's as in this link,
> http://www.trak4.com/earco/index.html
> There's a bit of a story there about Geese.
> Got loon sounds there.
>
>> I vaguely recall some time ago someone telling me that Geese use the
>> same sort of formation strategy as NASCAR drivers drafting on a super
>> speedway. The formation creates less overall drag than individuals
>> flying alone. This enables them to use less energy flying and they
>> can extend their range this way.
>
> There was a movie about a guy who trained geese
> to migrate using an ultra light.

Why, you gonna train some with your MSFS?

Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" > wrote in message
...
>
> LOL, "desire to", Geese have about the same IQ as Bertie,
> (but at least they actually do fly). I've seen formations like
>

You are under estimating geese, and give Bertie far too much credit.

"Tim Blite" > wrote in message
...
>
>> I vaguely recall some time ago someone telling me that Geese use the
>> same sort of formation strategy as NASCAR drivers drafting on a super
>> speedway. The formation creates less overall drag than individuals
>> flying alone. This enables them to use less energy flying and they can
>> extend their range this way.
>

Dudley is an expert in a lot of things he knows nothing about.

Stealth Pilot wrote:
> no no no no. all blood has iron in it. haemoglobin molecules have a
> core of 4 iron atoms. with 12 litres of blood in you you dont make the
> compass swing when your hand is near it or have magnets sticking to
> you. ...well I dont.


Grasshopper blood is copper based.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:bHb%j.101947$y05.84617
@newsfe22.lga:

>
> "Ken S. Tucker" > wrote in message
> news:c9307b3b-9e95-475b-9429-
...
>>
>> LOL, "desire to", Geese have about the same IQ as Bertie,
>> (but at least they actually do fly). I've seen formations like
>>
>
> You are under estimating geese, and give Bertie far too much credit.
>
>

Oh ouch. luser boi is being mean to me again.

I may have to go away it smarts so much.

Or maybe not.


Bertie

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:ZIb%j.101948$y05.58126
@newsfe22.lga:

>
> "Tim Blite" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>> I vaguely recall some time ago someone telling me that Geese use the
>>> same sort of formation strategy as NASCAR drivers drafting on a
super
>>> speedway. The formation creates less overall drag than individuals
>>> flying alone. This enables them to use less energy flying and they
can
>>> extend their range this way.
>>
>
> Dudley is an expert in a lot of things he knows nothing about.
>
>
>
>
>


Really? What?


Bertie

Maxwell wrote:
> "Tim Blite" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> I vaguely recall some time ago someone telling me that Geese use the
>>> same sort of formation strategy as NASCAR drivers drafting on a super
>>> speedway. The formation creates less overall drag than individuals
>>> flying alone. This enables them to use less energy flying and they can
>>> extend their range this way.
>
> Dudley is an expert in a lot of things he knows nothing about.
>
>
>
>

Hello there Mr. Maxwell.

First of all, I have absolutely no objection at all with your seemingly
anal fascination with the fact that my bio was put on Wikipedia by me
personally (actually my family put it there but I ok'd it :-), and I
have no problem at all with your constant under posting of non aviation
related pot shots at me as well as others. Usenet being what it is, you
take um as they come as they say.
I do however have a suggestion for you, and an observation for others
who read your postings, especially your posting to me.

It would seem from my limited research anyway, that anyone even doing a
cursory search of the posts you make on this aviation forum would be
hard pressed to find any posts by you dealing with serious aviation
discussion. It seems you favor an extremely large quantity of the type
of posts you post to me and others;
one line pot shots, insults, and Ad Hominem attacks.
I have a respectful suggestion for you that you might take me up on or
pass on as you see fit.

If I had as little respect for someone's opinion on aviation matters as
you appear to have for mine, I wouldn't hesitate to engage that person
on Usenet in a serious discussion on said aviation matters so that the
entire world could take a long hard look at just how uninformed and
phony that person actually is.
Might I suggest in this post to you now, that you do this exact thing
with me in the future.
Why not let the entire world witness once and for all just how right you
are about me, and while you're at it, why not engage the others you seem
not to respect or like in the same manner?
Your call! You can accept this friendly challenge which is presented to
you in plain sight of the entire forum, or you can underpost this post
with another "zinger".
As I said, your call :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in
:

> Stealth Pilot wrote:
>> no no no no. all blood has iron in it. haemoglobin molecules have a
>> core of 4 iron atoms. with 12 litres of blood in you you dont make the
>> compass swing when your hand is near it or have magnets sticking to
>> you. ...well I dont.
>
>
> Grasshopper blood is copper based.
>
>
>

As are Vulcans.

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...

When you learn to make a point in less than 5000 words, I might.

Buster Hymen wrote:
> "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in
> :
>
>> Stealth Pilot wrote:
>>> no no no no. all blood has iron in it. haemoglobin molecules have a
>>> core of 4 iron atoms. with 12 litres of blood in you you dont make the
>>> compass swing when your hand is near it or have magnets sticking to
>>> you. ...well I dont.
>>
>> Grasshopper blood is copper based.
>
> As are Vulcans.




Grasshoppers are much easier to get a sample from. Mr. Spock keeps ducking out
whenever there's a needle around.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Maxwell wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> When you learn to make a point in less than 5000 words, I might.
>
>
>
Won't fly Max :-)
Attacking the length of a post isn't engaging on flying and aviation
content which is what you are being asked to do.
For example, any Google search on me or any poster who has been posting
on these forums for ten years or more will provide thousands of posts,
some long, some quite short. Your response is disingenuous to say the least.
What you are being asked to do is to engage me on CONTENT, not length.
You can easily post complaining about the length of someone's comments
without saying things like

Maxwell writes>

"Dudley is an expert in many things he knows nothing about".


And I'm not the only one you try and nail this way.

I'll ask you again respectfully and without any kind of malice or
personal attack in response to your post, ;

I'm requesting respectfully once more of you that you engage me on
flying issues. If all the things you say about myself and others is
true, I think you should be allowed to show the world how correct you are.
Let's talk some flying shall we?
:-)

...and in DIRECT response to your post above, I will keep my replies
under 5000 words. Can't be more neutral than this can I?

--
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...

Your unwillingness to trim a post, and limit your paragraphs to 500 words
doesn't either, dumb ass.

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote:
> Your unwillingness to trim a post, and limit your paragraphs to 500
> words doesn't either, dumb ass.

I was out sick that day, or something, so I don't know what the trigger was
for your attacks on Dudley. Could you fill me in?

Maxwell wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> Your unwillingness to trim a post, and limit your paragraphs to 500 words
> doesn't either, dumb ass.
>
>
>

Oh I see. You mean as in the reply below that I made when respectfully
approached on the issue of post trimming for example;

DH wrote>
". I'm simply extremely busy and haven't paid as much attention to
proper Usenet protocol as I might have done otherwise. Being busy, I
have a tendency to concentrate more on the content of what I'm saying as
opposed to the protocol on how it's presented.

The answer of course is a compromise. I'm simply reminded to make an
effort toward the more accepted standards concerned with Usenet."

This would appear to read like a reply from me dealing in a much more
positive manner with the trimming of posts than you have deliberately
attempted to convey here :-)

I say again respectfully to you. Engage me and others on flying issues.
On Usenet, this is the ONLY way people who are what you have said thay
are can be properly exposed.
C'mon Max; let's talk flying!!!!!!!!!!! :-))


--
Dudley Henriques

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in
:

> Buster Hymen wrote:
>> "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Stealth Pilot wrote:
>>>> no no no no. all blood has iron in it. haemoglobin molecules have a
>>>> core of 4 iron atoms. with 12 litres of blood in you you dont make
>>>> the compass swing when your hand is near it or have magnets
>>>> sticking to you. ...well I dont.
>>>
>>> Grasshopper blood is copper based.
>>
>> As are Vulcans.
>
>
>
>
> Grasshoppers are much easier to get a sample from. Mr. Spock keeps
> ducking out whenever there's a needle around.
>
>
>

Spock never ducks out. Scotty beams him out.

On Tue, 27 May 2008 15:41:12 -0700, gatt
> wrote:

>a flight of geese

I don't think geese have a clue as to what they're doing.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com

On Tue, 27 May 2008 18:05:27 -0700 (PDT), skym >
wrote:

> But really, does anyone have a theory why that is?

Yes. Again: they don't have a clue!

I swim in a salt-water bay that's popular with the geese both fall and
spring (and summer--they never seem to stop migrating!). I have become
very disillusioned with the instincts of the honkers. They just tack
onto any guy that's flying, it doesn't matter in which direction.

As for the length of the line, it's certain to vary, since stragglers
are picked up at random.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote:
>> Your unwillingness to trim a post, and limit your paragraphs to 500
>> words doesn't either, dumb ass.
>
> I was out sick that day, or something, so I don't know what the trigger
> was
> for your attacks on Dudley. Could you fill me in?

No specific trigger Jim, just a lot of accumulated nonsense.

He is totally full of himself. Regardless of what he says, he is not here to
promote friendly discussion of aviation, he is here to promote himself.
Fancies himself as some kind of (self proclaimed) aviation legend. Often
promotes thread drift in a direction that allows him to toot his own horn.
Etc, etc. Maintained a Wiki listing of himself until posters here shamed him
out of it.

Thinks the value of any opinion is equal to it's printed weight in pounds.
Should have been a science fiction writer. Loves fiction.

Fancies himself a world class instructor, but has more trouble expressing
himself in simple terms than Jessie Jackson. His dissertations could easily
put a hummingbird to sleep.

Has a nasty temper and becomes very arrogant if you disagree with him.

Posts AND PROMOTES a lot of off topic cutesy banter. Thinks the world gives
a **** about his personal life I guess.

Loves to tout his money.

Used to sock puppet a lot for Bertie. I have seen a lot evidence that
suggest he actually IS Bertie.

I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea. Obviously just MY opinion, but
that was the question.

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Maxwell wrote:
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> Your unwillingness to trim a post, and limit your paragraphs to 500 words
>> doesn't either, dumb ass.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Oh I see. You mean as in the reply below that I made when respectfully
> approached on the issue of post trimming for example;
>
> DH wrote>
> ". I'm simply extremely busy and haven't paid as much attention to proper
> Usenet protocol as I might have done otherwise. Being busy, I have a
> tendency to concentrate more on the content of what I'm saying as opposed
> to the protocol on how it's presented.
>
> The answer of course is a compromise. I'm simply reminded to make an
> effort toward the more accepted standards concerned with Usenet."
>
> This would appear to read like a reply from me dealing in a much more
> positive manner with the trimming of posts than you have deliberately
> attempted to convey here :-)
>
> I say again respectfully to you. Engage me and others on flying issues. On
> Usenet, this is the ONLY way people who are what you have said thay are
> can be properly exposed.
> C'mon Max; let's talk flying!!!!!!!!!!! :-))
>
>
> --
> Dudley Henriques

Oh, I forgot. Your much too busy and much too important to .............

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote:
>>> Your unwillingness to trim a post, and limit your paragraphs to 500
>>> words doesn't either, dumb ass.
>>
>> I was out sick that day, or something, so I don't know what the
>> trigger was
>> for your attacks on Dudley. Could you fill me in?
>
> No specific trigger Jim, just a lot of accumulated nonsense.
>
> He is totally full of himself. Regardless of what he says, he is not
> here to promote friendly discussion of aviation, he is here to promote
> himself. Fancies himself as some kind of (self proclaimed) aviation
> legend. Often promotes thread drift in a direction that allows him to
> toot his own horn. Etc, etc. Maintained a Wiki listing of himself
> until posters here shamed him out of it.
>
> Thinks the value of any opinion is equal to it's printed weight in
> pounds. Should have been a science fiction writer. Loves fiction.
>
> Fancies himself a world class instructor, but has more trouble
> expressing himself in simple terms than Jessie Jackson. His
> dissertations could easily put a hummingbird to sleep.
>
> Has a nasty temper and becomes very arrogant if you disagree with him.
>
> Posts AND PROMOTES a lot of off topic cutesy banter. Thinks the world
> gives a **** about his personal life I guess.
>
> Loves to tout his money.
>
> Used to sock puppet a lot for Bertie. I have seen a lot evidence that
> suggest he actually IS Bertie.
>

Bertie wishes he had as much Mustang time..


> I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea. Obviously just MY
> opinion, but that was the question.
>

Yeh, your opinion carries a lot of weight theese days dupe boi.



Bertie
>
>

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in
:

>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Maxwell wrote:
>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Your unwillingness to trim a post, and limit your paragraphs to 500
>>> words doesn't either, dumb ass.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Oh I see. You mean as in the reply below that I made when
>> respectfully approached on the issue of post trimming for example;
>>
>> DH wrote>
>> ". I'm simply extremely busy and haven't paid as much attention to
>> proper Usenet protocol as I might have done otherwise. Being busy, I
>> have a tendency to concentrate more on the content of what I'm saying
>> as opposed to the protocol on how it's presented.
>>
>> The answer of course is a compromise. I'm simply reminded to make an
>> effort toward the more accepted standards concerned with Usenet."
>>
>> This would appear to read like a reply from me dealing in a much more
>> positive manner with the trimming of posts than you have deliberately
>> attempted to convey here :-)
>>
>> I say again respectfully to you. Engage me and others on flying
>> issues. On Usenet, this is the ONLY way people who are what you have
>> said thay are can be properly exposed.
>> C'mon Max; let's talk flying!!!!!!!!!!! :-))
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> Oh, I forgot. Your much too busy and much too important to
> .............
>
>
>

Snoprt!



Bertie