As previously posted, my wife and I are flying to WI next week. I plan on
renting a plane and doing some local flying once we are there. My question
is, I have a Icom A-5 that I would like to take with me should I need
back-up communications during my local flying. Have any of you taken a
hand-held on a commercial airliner without being hassled? I know for sure, I
would not put it in my carry-on. But I don't want my luggage opened just
because of the radio.

Comments...suggestions....

Harry

I brought my portable in carry-on. I told them about it, and said I had the
unit disabled by removal of battery and antenna. They let me go on with it
with a stern warning not to attempt to use it in any way. I would assume
that your treatment would be highly variable depending on the screeners,
their mood, etc. If you want to be sure, just put in checked luggage. I
routinely bring all sorts of portable radios (I'm a ham) and never had a
problem.


"Harry Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> As previously posted, my wife and I are flying to WI next week. I plan on
> renting a plane and doing some local flying once we are there. My question
> is, I have a Icom A-5 that I would like to take with me should I need
> back-up communications during my local flying. Have any of you taken a
> hand-held on a commercial airliner without being hassled? I know for sure,
I
> would not put it in my carry-on. But I don't want my luggage opened just
> because of the radio.
>
> Comments...suggestions....
>
> Harry
>
>
>

Harry Gordon ) wrote:

> As previously posted, my wife and I are flying to WI next week. I plan on
> renting a plane and doing some local flying once we are there. My question
> is, I have a Icom A-5 that I would like to take with me should I need
> back-up communications during my local flying. Have any of you taken a
> hand-held on a commercial airliner without being hassled? I know for sure, I
> would not put it in my carry-on. But I don't want my luggage opened just
> because of the radio.
>
> Comments...suggestions....

Last October I flew Delta Airlines out to Kansas from the Northeast to pick
up an aircraft. I carried on my complete flight bag, which included two
headsets, charts, an Icom A-5, a large plastic bag of batteries, large and
small flashlights, and other items.

The bag was searched by security, but they had no problem with it going on
the regional jet.


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In article >,
Harry Gordon > wrote:

> As previously posted, my wife and I are flying to WI next week. I plan on
> renting a plane and doing some local flying once we are there. My question
> is, I have a Icom A-5 that I would like to take with me should I need
> back-up communications during my local flying. Have any of you taken a
> hand-held on a commercial airliner without being hassled? I know for sure, I
> would not put it in my carry-on. But I don't want my luggage opened just
> because of the radio.

Keep in mind that each passenger terminal is now a "little gestopo
checkpoint". No two are the same. The guards have the "official airport
no-no list ", the "airline no-no list", and their own "personal no-no
list".

As another poster wrote, take the antenna and battery pack off, put
them in different parts of you bag. Same goes for the GPS. The more
miscellaneous pieces-parts strewn about the more innocent it will
appear.
The rules says no portable electronic devices may be operated below
10,000 feet. Stop by the cockpit when you enter the aircraft, tell the
cockpit crew you are a pilot and ask it they have any objection to your
using your handheld and/or GPS above 10K. The airlines have policies
published in the in-flight magazine, but the cockpit crew has the final
say.

"EDR" > wrote in message ...

> Keep in mind that each passenger terminal is now a "little gestopo
> checkpoint". No two are the same. The guards have the "official airport
> no-no list ", the "airline no-no list", and their own "personal no-no
> list".

You're presuming that there's even a list.

Took a whole flt bag from Tucson to BWI to pick up my plane. GPS,
Radios, batteries, pubs...the works. Didn't tell anyone what it was unless
asked, then replied pilot equipment. No problems at all...

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I agree except that I wouldn't ask about or atttempt GPS/Handheld operation
while on board. Why bother or push it.

Say nothing unless asked. Put it in carry on for security - checked bags
have too many hands on them now. I've done it a lot before 9/11... even
carried a parachute but not sure how I would do that now.

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
>
> Keep in mind that each passenger terminal is now a "little gestopo
> checkpoint". No two are the same. The guards have the "official airport
> no-no list ", the "airline no-no list", and their own "personal no-no
> list".
>
> As another poster wrote, take the antenna and battery pack off, put
> them in different parts of you bag. Same goes for the GPS. The more
> miscellaneous pieces-parts strewn about the more innocent it will
> appear.
> The rules says no portable electronic devices may be operated below
> 10,000 feet. Stop by the cockpit when you enter the aircraft, tell the
> cockpit crew you are a pilot and ask it they have any objection to your
> using your handheld and/or GPS above 10K. The airlines have policies
> published in the in-flight magazine, but the cockpit crew has the final
> say.

It's just an electronic device, that's all.


Trip

In article >,
says...
>
>As previously posted, my wife and I are flying to WI next week. I plan on
>renting a plane and doing some local flying once we are there. My question
>is, I have a Icom A-5 that I would like to take with me should I need
>back-up communications during my local flying. Have any of you taken a
>hand-held on a commercial airliner without being hassled? I know for sure, I
>would not put it in my carry-on. But I don't want my luggage opened just
>because of the radio.
>
>Comments...suggestions....
>
>Harry
>
>
>

In article >, Ron Natalie
> wrote:

> "EDR" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Keep in mind that each passenger terminal is now a "little gestopo
> > checkpoint". No two are the same. The guards have the "official airport
> > no-no list ", the "airline no-no list", and their own "personal no-no
> > list".
>
> You're presuming that there's even a list.

The "official" list may be found on the TSA website.

Keep in mind that all airlines explictly prohibit the use of any radio
receiver (yes, receiver) on board the airplane at any time...I believe
this is an FAA rule. This would prohibit the use of a VHF receiver or
a GPS anytime the airplane is in motion. As far as carrying them on,
that should be fine. -Eric

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 at 08:19:45 in message
>, Eric Stearns
> wrote:
>Keep in mind that all airlines explictly prohibit the use of any radio
>receiver (yes, receiver) on board the airplane at any time...I believe
>this is an FAA rule. This would prohibit the use of a VHF receiver or
>a GPS anytime the airplane is in motion. As far as carrying them on,
>that should be fine. -Eric

If that is true then they don't make it very clear. On four recent
flights that I was on, they made a big deal about cell phones not being
used at all, but said that 'other electronic equipment' could be used
after the signs were switched.

Most receivers have low power heterodyne signals but then all computers
contain high frequency oscillators.

Couple of years ago on a feeder airliner I sent my GPS unit up to the
cockpit as the in-flight attendant had no idea what it was. It came back
from the Captain saying I was welcome to use at long as the seat belt
sign was off. On the other hand her message said that she didn't think
it would work well where I was siting - under the wing! The Captain was
right.
--
Francis E-Mail reply to >

Just back from Kauai. Carried a handheld in my camera bag.
No big deal. Just leave it OFF in the airliner.
H.
N502TB, NQ5H
"Harry Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> As previously posted, my wife and I are flying to WI next week. I plan on
> renting a plane and doing some local flying once we are there. My question
> is, I have a Icom A-5 that I would like to take with me should I need
> back-up communications during my local flying. Have any of you taken a
> hand-held on a commercial airliner without being hassled? I know for sure,
I
> would not put it in my carry-on. But I don't want my luggage opened just
> because of the radio.
>
> Comments...suggestions....
>
> Harry
>
>
>

Eric Stearns wrote:
> Keep in mind that all airlines explictly prohibit the use of any radio
> receiver (yes, receiver) on board the airplane at any time...I believe
> this is an FAA rule. This would prohibit the use of a VHF receiver or
> a GPS anytime the airplane is in motion. As far as carrying them on,
> that should be fine.

No, the FAA leaves it up to each airline to determine which receiving
devices to allow and many explicitly allow the use of GPS receivers when
above 10 kft. (And pilots sometimes give permission even on the airlines
which don't officially allow them.)

Thank you for your responses and suggestions. I have decided to go ahead and
take my radio on-board with me along with my other flight gear. If it gets
confiscated, I will send you the bill :-).

Harry

"Harry Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> As previously posted, my wife and I are flying to WI next week. I plan on
> renting a plane and doing some local flying once we are there. My question
> is, I have a Icom A-5 that I would like to take with me should I need
> back-up communications during my local flying. Have any of you taken a
> hand-held on a commercial airliner without being hassled? I know for sure,
I
> would not put it in my carry-on. But I don't want my luggage opened just
> because of the radio.
>
> Comments...suggestions....
>
> Harry
>
>
>

> No, the FAA leaves it up to each airline to determine which receiving
> devices to allow and many explicitly allow the use of GPS receivers when
> above 10 kft. (And pilots sometimes give permission even on the airlines
> which don't officially allow them.)

The airline I work for explicitly prohibits the use of any radio
receiver during flight...the details are included in the inflight
magazine and occassionally in flight attendant announcements. When
I've flown on other airlines I've seen similar policies. I'm not sure
what the big concern is with portable radio receivers and the policies
might be based on decades old research, but I think it applies at most
airlines.

Eric Stearns wrote:

>>No, the FAA leaves it up to each airline to determine which receiving
>>devices to allow and many explicitly allow the use of GPS receivers when
>>above 10 kft. (And pilots sometimes give permission even on the airlines
>>which don't officially allow them.)
>
>
> The airline I work for explicitly prohibits the use of any radio
> receiver during flight...the details are included in the inflight
> magazine and occassionally in flight attendant announcements. When
> I've flown on other airlines I've seen similar policies. I'm not sure
> what the big concern is with portable radio receivers and the policies
> might be based on decades old research, but I think it applies at most
> airlines.

There's a list at:
http://www.gpsinformation.net/airgps/airgps.htm
of airline policies with regard to passenger use of GPS receivers above 10
kft. At the moment about twice as many airlines explicitly allow such use
as disallow it, but the individual policies have undergone many changes
with some airlines repeatedly switching back and forth.

If anyone knows the policy on additional airlines or a case where the
information at the above site is outdated, please mention it here or bring
it to the attention of Joe Mehaffey ) so the list can be
updated.