From EAA:

Wittman Getting New Control Tower
Funding for a new $4 million air traffic control tower at Wittman Regional
Airport (OSH), home of EAA AirVenture Oshkosh, was approved this week by
Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle. The new tower will be about 85 feet tall
(vision height), or 20 feet taller than the existing 40-year-old tower. Its
location will be about 700 feet west of the current structure, at the
northwest intersection of Knapp and Waukau streets. Construction is
scheduled to begin in May 2004, with completion no later than July 15, 2005.
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This new tower will supposedly displace some of the Fly Market at
Airventure. Wonder where they'll move it to?

Just won't feel like Oshkosh without that grand old brick tower...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:16:40 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:
>
>Just won't feel like Oshkosh without that grand old brick tower...

We should all be happy that Oshkosh *needs* the new tower and funding
is there for it. Could be the other way around... closing down an
existing tower due to not enough activity to warrant one anymore like
at some unfortunante airports.

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
<snip>
> Just won't feel like Oshkosh without that grand old brick tower...


ATC museum, complete with tower?
Multi level observation decks? (Some inside, and air-conditioned)
The Old Tower restaurant?

--
Montblack

"LSP" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:16:40 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
> >
> >Just won't feel like Oshkosh without that grand old brick tower...

My guess is that they will leave it for18/36 during the show, and use the
new tower for 9/27.
--
Jim in NC

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:cGzvb.267665$HS4.2391005@attbi_s01...

> This new tower will supposedly displace some of the Fly Market at
> Airventure. Wonder where they'll move it to?
>
Most of that area is the Winnabago County Sheriff's office (fomerly
Shifflebein's farm). Maybe Poberenzy will finally be able to evict the
Sacred Heart cemetary from it's prime piece of real estate :-)

> The Old Tower restaurant?

Will Zaug's food still taste like crap that far up?

> Will Zaug's food still taste like crap that far up?

Actually, Zaug's food is very good when it's fresh. They do better than
expected, for example, with french fries.

Problem is, it's rarely fresh.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Actually, Zaug's food is very good when it's fresh.

That's sort of like the claim (common around 100 years ago in the U.S.) that a
particular physician was a great doctor when he was sober.

George Patterson
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can be learned
no other way.

In article >,
"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote:

> Jay Honeck wrote:
> >
> > Actually, Zaug's food is very good when it's fresh.
>
> That's sort of like the claim (common around 100 years ago in the U.S.) that a
> particular physician was a great doctor when he was sober.
>
> George Patterson
> A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can be learned
> no other way.


Is their specialty fresh beef and aged fish?
Or aged coffee and fresh wine?

Linda and I have created a new Guide Michelin rating syatem for bad
restaurants: tread marks. It gose from zero to eighteen and is a
negative award,

If a restaurant serves canned friur or vegatables, it an automatic
treadmark. Greasy food is another, etc.

Cracker Barell gets about 3; anything advertising "country cookin" or
"good eatin" gets a provisional 2.

Have fun with this one!

To be honest...I've only had BAD food from them once. Most of it isn't too
terrible (standard mass produced fare). Especially considering that it's
either that or a cold $5 McDonald's quarterpounder.

One thing I'd give them praise Zaug's for is the soft serve ice
cream.....WOW! That's a requisite stop for my crew at least 3 times during
that week.


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Yc5wb.281937$HS4.2488241@attbi_s01...
> > Will Zaug's food still taste like crap that far up?
>
> Actually, Zaug's food is very good when it's fresh. They do better than
> expected, for example, with french fries.
>
> Problem is, it's rarely fresh.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

> Greasy food is another, etc.
>
> Cracker Barell gets about 3; anything advertising "country cookin" or
> "good eatin" gets a provisional 2.

Not from the south are you?

> One thing I'd give them praise Zaug's for is the soft serve ice
> cream.....WOW! That's a requisite stop for my crew at least 3 times
during
> that week.

Agreed. Their ice milk rocks on a 100 degree day!

BTW, that ain't "cream" -- the stuff comes in a big bag that looks just like
latex paint. Which isn't surprising, since the ingredients are identical --
just in different proportions.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article >,
"Jeff Franks" > wrote:

> > Greasy food is another, etc.
> >
> > Cracker Barell gets about 3; anything advertising "country cookin" or
> > "good eatin" gets a provisional 2.
>
> Not from the south are you?
>
>

I have lived in the South 10 years and consider it to be pretty much a
culinary wasteland. I can't fathom the taste for grease, canned veggies
or overcooked veggies.

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
.
...
> I have lived in the South 10 years and consider it to be pretty much a
> culinary wasteland. I can't fathom the taste for grease, canned veggies
> or overcooked veggies.

You lived in the South for 10 years and managed to not find ANY good food?
You obviously weren't even trying. There's plenty of good food in the
South, especially of the "country cooking" and barbeque variety.

I admit to actually enjoying a Cracker Barrel breakfast once in awhile, but
if you don't get out of the chain restaurants, you'll never find a really
great meal. "Grease, canned veggies or overcooked veggies" in no way
characterizes all of the restaurants in the South, nor the prevalent cuisine
there.

Pete

> I have lived in the South 10 years and consider it to be pretty much a
> culinary wasteland. I can't fathom the taste for grease, canned veggies
> or overcooked veggies.

Lemme guess. You cook your tomatoes, but not your green beans....and you
like those rock hard roll things that can't sop up a lick of gravy from your
plate.

and "canned veggies"??? they put veggies in a can? Never had them ;)


Seriously, Cracker Barrel does a fair job of replicating our cuisine on a
mass scale. But if you want REAL southern cookin at a restaurant, it has to
be served by someone with a hairnet and a southern draw so thick that even
the locals can barely understand AND every item on the menu has to end with
"...and gravy"

Lemme know if you ever fly down the TN way, I'll let you treat!

JF

In article >,
"Jeff Franks" > wrote:

> > I have lived in the South 10 years and consider it to be pretty much a
> > culinary wasteland. I can't fathom the taste for grease, canned veggies
> > or overcooked veggies.
>
> Lemme guess. You cook your tomatoes, but not your green beans....and you
> like those rock hard roll things that can't sop up a lick of gravy from your
> plate.
>
> and "canned veggies"??? they put veggies in a can? Never had them ;)
>
>
> Seriously, Cracker Barrel does a fair job of replicating our cuisine on a
> mass scale. But if you want REAL southern cookin at a restaurant, it has to
> be served by someone with a hairnet and a southern draw so thick that even
> the locals can barely understand AND every item on the menu has to end with
> "...and gravy"
>
> Lemme know if you ever fly down the TN way, I'll let you treat!
>
> JF
>
>

I DO like barbecue -- except that it has to be pretty well degreased.
Pecan pie is one of my favorites.

Hominy & grits? BLEAH!

Thr trouble with most Southern cooking is the use of bacon grease. Get
rid of the grease and you have a chance.

I lived in Huntspatch during the boom years and found mostly mediocre
restaurant fare there, but I haven't been there in 27 years.

BTW, the 18 treadmarks would probably be awarded to Bubba's Diner's
"Roadkill Possum Surprise."

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
...

>
> Hominy & grits? BLEAH!

Ignoramous. Hominy is a processed product of corn. It's also called posole in some
parts of the world. It's essentially corn kernels that are stripped of the indigestible
hulls. This is done either by soaking in lye or by crushing (the latter being pearly hominy).
Hominy is oft served by itself as a side dish. While I'm sure they use it in the deep
south too, it's got a big part in Chesapeake Bay cuisine, too. You can find it in cans
at the grocery store.

Grits are ground corn used to make a hot cereal. It's freqeuntly made of ground
hominy (e.g. Hominy Grits). I've never head anybody serving "hominy & grits"
it's either a bizarre combination or redundant terminology.

Grits isn't any worse than oatmeal. It's a whole lot better than some other
porridges, my wife is fond of Wheatina which to me looks and tastes like
toxic waste. The condiments with grits are pretty common stuff for porridges:
butter, salt, sugar.

> Thr trouble with most Southern cooking is the use of bacon grease. Get
> rid of the grease and you have a chance.

I've never found bacon grease in my grits. Besides anything tastes better
with bacon :-).

> .... Get rid of the grease and you have a chance.

Not on your life. In the south, "needs a little more bacon grease" is a
common cullinary term..e.g.:

"Hey honey, the grean beans taste pretty good....need a little more bacon
grease though"
"The gravy is a little dry, should have used a little more bacon grease."
"Love these biscuits, needs a little more bacon grease"

And the all time classic:

"Man this sweet tea is rich!"..."Darling, thats the bacon grease mason jar
your drinking, here's yours"


Ya'll take care now....hear.

"Jeff Franks" > wrote in message ...
:
>
> "Man this sweet tea is rich!"..."Darling, thats the bacon grease mason jar
> your drinking, here's yours"

I'd much prefer the bacon grease to "sweet tea." Ugh, this is one vile part
of the southern cuisine. I watched one of my NC friends at Oshkosh hunt
in vain for sweet (iced) tea (they kept bringing him sugar)...real sweet tea
is a supersaturated solution (you have to disolve the sugar while the tea
is still hot)...Margy uses it as a lesson in her chemistry classes.

HERESY! You yanks have gone too far now!

Of course you put the sugar in the tea while its still hot. Its the only
way to get a quart of sugar to dissolve in a gallon of tea?!?!?

Pssh. Duh.

;)

I was in a nice restaurant in Boston a few years back and asked if they had
iced tea (not going so far as to ask for "sweet iced tea"). The waiter
brought me a cup of hot tea with a glass of ice.....hrm.....no wonder they
threw all their tea in the harbor. If it tastes like that I'd throw mine in
there too.

When I travel, its always amazing to me what just a few hours drive can do
to your taste buds. This country has a broad spectrum of different likes
and dislikes. I like them most (except the hard rolls).

Jeff (waiting for a tag from Jim Fisher before I get crucified)


"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Jeff Franks" > wrote in message
...
> :
> >
> > "Man this sweet tea is rich!"..."Darling, thats the bacon grease mason
jar
> > your drinking, here's yours"
>
> I'd much prefer the bacon grease to "sweet tea." Ugh, this is one vile
part
> of the southern cuisine. I watched one of my NC friends at Oshkosh hunt
> in vain for sweet (iced) tea (they kept bringing him sugar)...real sweet
tea
> is a supersaturated solution (you have to disolve the sugar while the tea
> is still hot)...Margy uses it as a lesson in her chemistry classes.
>
>

"Jeff Franks" > wrote in message ...

> I was in a nice restaurant in Boston a few years back and asked if they had
> iced tea (not going so far as to ask for "sweet iced tea"). The waiter
> brought me a cup of hot tea with a glass of ice.....hrm.....no wonder they
> threw all their tea in the harbor. If it tastes like that I'd throw mine in
> there too.

Well, if you had enough sugar packets you could have made sweet tea.