Shortly, I will have to fly a Baron from USA to Australia after I have
ferry tanks installed.

The route I plan to do is:

Oakland/San Francisco - Hawaii : 3850 Kilometers (2075nm)
Hawaii - Tarawa : 3860 Kilometers (2080nm)
Tarawa - Brisbane : 3840 Kilometers (2070nm)

I understand that I need to fly below 10,000 feet because of the
westerlies especially during the first 2 legs. I'm working on 13
hours flying time on each leg with a 2 hour reserve.

What do others think?? Especially other pilots who have flown this or
a similar route. Is what I plan OK or do you have any other
suggestions or hints you think I should need to know??

"SteveK" > wrote in message
>
> Oakland/San Francisco - Hawaii : 3850 Kilometers (2075nm)
> Hawaii - Tarawa : 3860 Kilometers (2080nm)
> Tarawa - Brisbane : 3840 Kilometers (2070nm)
>
> I'm working on 13
> hours flying time on each leg with a 2 hour reserve.

For a while I was flying the South Pacific, and we would crew change in Pago
Pago. I ran into quite a few single engine ferries who would fly the route
HNL-Kiritimati (Christmas I)- XX-Brisbane; XX being either Nandi or Noumea,
I can't recall. If you can do slightly shorter legs than you've planned,
you can substantially increase your reserve as a percentage of tankage,
which is not a bad thing. Right now your planning calls for a 13% reserve.
There's a lot of damn water out there.

Regards,

John Gaquin
B727, B747

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:04:43 +1000
SteveK > wrote:

> Shortly, I will have to fly a Baron from USA to Australia after I have
> ferry tanks installed.
>
> The route I plan to do is:
>
> Oakland/San Francisco - Hawaii : 3850 Kilometers (2075nm)
> Hawaii - Tarawa : 3860 Kilometers (2080nm)
> Tarawa - Brisbane : 3840 Kilometers (2070nm)
>
> I understand that I need to fly below 10,000 feet because of the
> westerlies especially during the first 2 legs. I'm working on 13
> hours flying time on each leg with a 2 hour reserve.
>
> What do others think?? Especially other pilots who have flown this or
> a similar route. Is what I plan OK or do you have any other
> suggestions or hints you think I should need to know??


You'll want to read the articles by Bill Cox, I think he has been working
on getting a twin from the Phillipines to the US. I haven't heard if
the plane ever got here. He had to leave it on a remote island for
lack of avgas. During the time it was left there it acquired a few squaks
(squawks?) and last I heard it was still there.

I've always wondered what the break even point is for ferrying?
(assuming the pilot is expendable) After reading some of the stories Bill
Cox writes it seems to me that the risk is too high in those long-range
ferry trips. I'm sure preparing a plane for a cargo container ain't
cheap. But with all the possible pitfalls in ferrying it seems that
the shipping might be the best bet. You are almost guaranteed to get
your plane from point a to point b on time.


R. Hubbell

>Hawaii - Tarawa : 3860 Kilometers (2080nm)

Please drop a flower on Tarawa in memory of the U.S. Marines who died
there.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

"John Gaquin" > wrote in message
...

Correction to above:

> ...I ran into quite a few single engine ferries who would fly the route
> HNL-Kiritimati (Christmas I)- Pago Pago - XX-Brisbane; XX being either
Nandi or Noumea,

SteveK > wrote in message >...
> Shortly, I will have to fly a Baron from USA to Australia after I have
> ferry tanks installed.
>
> The route I plan to do is:
>
> Oakland/San Francisco - Hawaii : 3850 Kilometers (2075nm)
> Hawaii - Tarawa : 3860 Kilometers (2080nm)
> Tarawa - Brisbane : 3840 Kilometers (2070nm)
>
> I understand that I need to fly below 10,000 feet because of the
> westerlies especially during the first 2 legs. I'm working on 13
> hours flying time on each leg with a 2 hour reserve.
>
> What do others think?? Especially other pilots who have flown this or
> a similar route. Is what I plan OK or do you have any other
> suggestions or hints you think I should need to know??

<snip>

I've no trans-oceanic ferrying advice to offer. I do however, have a
question. How will you navigate? GPS?

Found this website, has some useful tips..
http://www.utility-aircraft.com/ferry_flight/

"SteveK" > wrote in message
...
> Shortly, I will have to fly a Baron from USA to Australia after I have
> ferry tanks installed.
>
> The route I plan to do is:
>
> Oakland/San Francisco - Hawaii : 3850 Kilometers (2075nm)
> Hawaii - Tarawa : 3860 Kilometers (2080nm)
> Tarawa - Brisbane : 3840 Kilometers (2070nm)
>
> I understand that I need to fly below 10,000 feet because of the
> westerlies especially during the first 2 legs. I'm working on 13
> hours flying time on each leg with a 2 hour reserve.
>
> What do others think?? Especially other pilots who have flown this or
> a similar route. Is what I plan OK or do you have any other
> suggestions or hints you think I should need to know??

Reminds me of the movie (Mercy Flight) based on a true story, I think late
70's. 2 Pawnee 235 spray planes left San Francisco for Australia, went to
Hawaii and 1 crashed on Pango Pango, the other flew like 23 hours straight
got lost in a thunder storm (broken ADF) and a loaded passenger airliner led
him to Auckland NZ, quit a story.

Pat Thronson

"S Narayan" > wrote in message
...
> Found this website, has some useful tips..
> http://www.utility-aircraft.com/ferry_flight/
>
> "SteveK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Shortly, I will have to fly a Baron from USA to Australia after I have
> > ferry tanks installed.
> >
> > The route I plan to do is:
> >
> > Oakland/San Francisco - Hawaii : 3850 Kilometers (2075nm)
> > Hawaii - Tarawa : 3860 Kilometers (2080nm)
> > Tarawa - Brisbane : 3840 Kilometers (2070nm)
> >
> > I understand that I need to fly below 10,000 feet because of the
> > westerlies especially during the first 2 legs. I'm working on 13
> > hours flying time on each leg with a 2 hour reserve.
> >
> > What do others think?? Especially other pilots who have flown this or
> > a similar route. Is what I plan OK or do you have any other
> > suggestions or hints you think I should need to know??
>
>

Reminds me of the movie (Mercy Flight) based on a true story, I think late
70's. 2 Pawnee 235 spray planes left San Francisco for Australia around
Christmas time, went to Hawaii and 1 crashed on Pango Pango, the other flew
like 23 hours straight
got lost (broken ADF) ended up in a thunder storm. A loaded passenger
airliner, en-route to NZ, led him to Auckland NZ, quit a story.

Pat Thronson

"S Narayan" > wrote in message
...
> Found this website, has some useful tips..
> http://www.utility-aircraft.com/ferry_flight/
>
> "SteveK" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Shortly, I will have to fly a Baron from USA to Australia after I have
> > ferry tanks installed.
> >
> > The route I plan to do is:
> >
> > Oakland/San Francisco - Hawaii : 3850 Kilometers (2075nm)
> > Hawaii - Tarawa : 3860 Kilometers (2080nm)
> > Tarawa - Brisbane : 3840 Kilometers (2070nm)
> >
> > I understand that I need to fly below 10,000 feet because of the
> > westerlies especially during the first 2 legs. I'm working on 13
> > hours flying time on each leg with a 2 hour reserve.
> >
> > What do others think?? Especially other pilots who have flown this or
> > a similar route. Is what I plan OK or do you have any other
> > suggestions or hints you think I should need to know??
>
>

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:18:35 GMT
"Pat Thronson" > wrote:

> Reminds me of the movie (Mercy Flight) based on a true story, I think late
> 70's. 2 Pawnee 235 spray planes left San Francisco for Australia, went to
> Hawaii and 1 crashed on Pango Pango, the other flew like 23 hours straight
> got lost in a thunder storm (broken ADF) and a loaded passenger airliner led
> him to Auckland NZ, quit a story.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0107556/#comment


R. Hubbell


>
> Pat Thronson
>
> "S Narayan" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Found this website, has some useful tips..
> > http://www.utility-aircraft.com/ferry_flight/
> >
> > "SteveK" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Shortly, I will have to fly a Baron from USA to Australia after I have
> > > ferry tanks installed.
> > >
> > > The route I plan to do is:
> > >
> > > Oakland/San Francisco - Hawaii : 3850 Kilometers (2075nm)
> > > Hawaii - Tarawa : 3860 Kilometers (2080nm)
> > > Tarawa - Brisbane : 3840 Kilometers (2070nm)
> > >
> > > I understand that I need to fly below 10,000 feet because of the
> > > westerlies especially during the first 2 legs. I'm working on 13
> > > hours flying time on each leg with a 2 hour reserve.
> > >
> > > What do others think?? Especially other pilots who have flown this or
> > > a similar route. Is what I plan OK or do you have any other
> > > suggestions or hints you think I should need to know??
> >
> >
>
>