On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:25:36 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

Rant snipped.

You're getting close to the edge, Paul.



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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:45:25 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>I'm personally thankful that we're not providing "no-fly zones" over
>candidates, yet. It's to Kerry's credit that he hasn't requested this
>treatment -- it's bad enough we have to do it over the president.

There most certainly was a TFR over Boston last week. When has the
convention not been part of the campaign?

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"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:25:36 +0000 (UTC),
> (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>
> Rant snipped.
>
> You're getting close to the edge, Paul.

Oh heck, Dan. Most of the anti-Bush crowd ran off the edge years ago. Let's
face it: they think that it is reasonable to promote a conspiracy theory
where Bush (who is alleged to be stupid and unable to cooperate with world
leaders) conspired with the Saudi Royal family and Osama bin Laden (who hate
each other) to fabricate terrorist attacks on the United States just so they
could invade Afghanistan and Iraq in order to seize control of a
non-existent pipeline that would benefit them in no way whatsoever, and that
Bush (who is supposed to be stupid) successfully fooled Kerry (who is
supposed to be smart) into supporting this scheme. They apologize for
terrorist attacks, saying that the terrorists have every reason in the world
to do what they do, but that nevertheless all those attacks are being faked
by the White House.

What is scary is that supposedly educated people think this way. It tells me
that they are capable of saying or doing almost anything in order to seize
power and hold it and that they justify their actions by saying that
everybody else is just like them. The inmates took over the European asylum
long ago, with predictable results. Now the loony left threatens to triumph
here. And the even more scary thing is that this may well be the lesser of
two evils. I fear that democracy and freedom are at an end no matter who
wins the election.

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, Janice > said:
> >If you had been a POW in a Vietnam prison how much would you have
applauded
> >your captors showing you video of Kerry, Fonda, etc. calling you a war
> >criminal? Just curious.
>
> Why don't you ask McCain? He seems to get along with Kerry just fine.

Birds of a feather. McCain (as in McCain-Feingold) is one of the biggest
fascists in the Senate. Not likely he's going to be re-elected after this
term.

In article >, Janice > wrote:

> Larry Dighera wrote:
>
> > Common sense and consideration ensues! What a welcome change from the
> > current administration's arrogant, asinine hubris:
>
> Huh? There was just a large TFR for Kerry in Boston that all but shut
> down a bunch of normally extremely busy airports.


KBED was quite busy. But it was mostly jet traffic.

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

Probably depends on how many women and children I had been forced to kill.

mike regish

"Janice" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> mike regish wrote:
>
> > I applaud his war protesting.
> >
> > mike regish
> >
> > "kontiki" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > > 35 years later he wants to capitalize on his own dubious
> > > service as a basis for his qualification to be president while
demanding
> > > that we all ignore his war protesting BS and 25 years doing nothing as
a
> > > Senator.
> > >
>
> If you had been a POW in a Vietnam prison how much would you have
applauded
> your captors showing you video of Kerry, Fonda, etc. calling you a war
> criminal? Just curious.
>
>

Um..that was for the entire convention...not just Kerry.

mike regish

"Janice" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Larry Dighera wrote:
>
> > Common sense and consideration ensues! What a welcome change from the
> > current administration's arrogant, asinine hubris:
>
> Huh? There was just a large TFR for Kerry in Boston that all but shut
> down a bunch of normally extremely busy airports. This in addition to the
> massive disruptions on the ground in Boston. Kerry didn't say diddly in
> opposition the mess.
>

Bill Denton wrote:

> But the ONLY thing I was discussing was actions by Iraq. The actions of
> the House of Saud were not being discussed either directly or by
> inference. The House of Saud was totally off-topic!

Not really. You've indicated that Bush has been honest in literal
interpretation if not in implication. That Bush cites the actions of our
enemies as grounds for attack while ignoring those same actions on the part
of our putative allies is more of the same.

BTW, any parent is familiar with this:

Parent: You've not been doing the dishes
Child: I did the dishes once.

The reality, though, remains the same. The child has not been doing the
dishes with the necessary consistency, and Bush's actions in Iraq have left
nations like N. Korea and Iran freer than they'd otherwise be because he
expended lives and respectibility on the wrong enemy.

We don't even need to consider the more complex cases of what's going on
today w/in Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc.

- Andrew

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tom S." > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> > news:VFxRc.251538$JR4.126665@attbi_s54...
> > > > Um..that was for the entire convention...not just Kerry.
> > >
> > > I thought the convention WAS for Kerry. It certainly wasn't to
> "select
> > a
> > > candidate," as in days of yore.
> >
> > "Yore"? In days of yore, they crowned a king.
>
> And it is different today how?
>
Today we enshrine Santa Claus.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v23n4/boaz.pdf

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:38:46 -0500, "Bill Denton"
> wrote in
>::

>I'm actually a
>registered Democrat, my only interest is in truth and accuracy.

If you can believe the evidence on this web site, daddy Bush pulled
strings to get baby Bush in the Texas ANG:
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17565

Truth and accuracy?

You have to learn to put in a charge, such as "this person said this" or
"that person said that".

All I have heard about this topic is that someone asked Bush if he had
"asked for help getting into the Guard". Bush replied "no".

I myself have been the beneficiary of various types of assistance that I did
not ask for. I know how it works.

You have to ask Bush if he RECEIVED any help if you want to get a valid
answer. And were he to be asked about any help he might have received, I
would hope he would be truthful.

But frankly, I don't care whether he got any help or not. For several months
in 1967 I kept $800.00 in a savings account. It stayed there until I failed
my draft physical. It cost $800.00 to get in the Guard back then.




"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:38:46 -0500, "Bill Denton"
> > wrote in
> >::
>
> >I'm actually a
> >registered Democrat, my only interest is in truth and accuracy.
>
> If you can believe the evidence on this web site, daddy Bush pulled
> strings to get baby Bush in the Texas ANG:
> http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17565
>
> Truth and accuracy?
>
>

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:06:27 -0500, "Bill Denton"
> wrote in
>::

>
>All I have heard about this topic is that someone asked Bush if he had
>"asked for help getting into the Guard". Bush replied "no".

But did the person who got you into the "champagne" unit of the ANG
receive $23 million from the lotto lobby as a result of doing a
reciprocal favor for your daddy/governor?

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17565

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:38:46 -0500, "Bill Denton"
> > wrote in
> >::
>
>>I'm actually a
>>registered Democrat, my only interest is in truth and accuracy.
>
> If you can believe the evidence on this web site, daddy Bush pulled
> strings to get baby Bush in the Texas ANG:
> http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17565
>
> Truth and accuracy?
>

There is no evidence on that web site.

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 16:56:45 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
> wrote in
et>::

>
>"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:38:46 -0500, "Bill Denton"
>> > wrote in
>> >::
>>
>>>I'm actually a
>>>registered Democrat, my only interest is in truth and accuracy.
>>
>> If you can believe the evidence on this web site, daddy Bush pulled
>> strings to get baby Bush in the Texas ANG:
>> http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17565
>>
>> Truth and accuracy?
>>
>
>There is no evidence on that web site.
>

On the web page there is this link:
http://www.gregpalast.com/ulf/documents/draftdodgeblanked.jpg

Why don't you consider this letter to be evidence?

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>
> On the web page there is this link:
> http://www.gregpalast.com/ulf/documents/draftdodgeblanked.jpg
>
> Why don't you consider this letter to be evidence?
>

Because there's nothing there that fits the definition of "evidence". It's
an undated, unsigned statement that GHWB helped GWB enter the TANG. The
letter is not even credible! The statement that Bush "was placed ahead of
thousands of young men, some of whom died in Viet Nam" makes it look like a
fabrication from the anti-Bush crowd.

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > On the web page there is this link:
> > http://www.gregpalast.com/ulf/documents/draftdodgeblanked.jpg
> >
> > Why don't you consider this letter to be evidence?
> >
>
> Because there's nothing there that fits the definition of "evidence".
It's
> an undated, unsigned statement that GHWB helped GWB enter the TANG. The
> letter is not even credible! The statement that Bush "was placed ahead of
> thousands of young men, some of whom died in Viet Nam" makes it look like
a
> fabrication from the anti-Bush crowd.
>
Speaking of Barnes
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002430.php
http://blogspirator.blogspot.com/2004/08/exclusive-dirt-on-ben-barnes-claims_29.html
http://blogspirator.blogspot.com/2004/08/exclusive-dirt-on-ben-barnes-claims.html
http://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/southcentral/2000/09/25/features/20969.htm



Tom
----------

“Any drinking or substance abuse problems?”

“Mr. Memphis, believe me, it would be a lie if I didn’t tell you some years
back, Bob Lee had a problem with the bottle and had some wild times. He’s
always in pain, you know, because of the way he was hurt in the war. But I
believe Bob Lee has found himself in some way. All he wants from life is
freedom and to be left alone.”

“What about medals? Has he ever said anything about medals? Are medals
important to him?”

“To Bob Lee? Let me tell you something, son—were you in the war or
anything?”

“No sir, I wasn’t.”

“Well, son, the only people that are interested in medals are the ones that
are fixing to run for office some day. I went from one side of Burma to the
other with General Merrill’s Marauders in 1943 and 1944, and the only man I
ever saw who wanted a medal or cared about a medal later became the only
governor of Colorado to be impeached.

--------------

Stephen Hunter, “Point of Impact”, Bantam Books, 1993, p.115

"Tom S." > wrote in message
...
>
> Speaking of Barnes
> http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002430.php
> http://blogspirator.blogspot.com/2004/08/exclusive-dirt-on-ben-barnes-claims_29.html
> http://blogspirator.blogspot.com/2004/08/exclusive-dirt-on-ben-barnes-claims.html
> http://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/southcentral/2000/09/25/features/20969.htm
>

So Barnes is a heavy contributor, and he's been bought at least once.

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Tom S." > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Speaking of Barnes
> > http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002430.php
> >
http://blogspirator.blogspot.com/2004/08/exclusive-dirt-on-ben-barnes-claims_29.html
> >
http://blogspirator.blogspot.com/2004/08/exclusive-dirt-on-ben-barnes-claims.html
> >
http://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/southcentral/2000/09/25/features/20969.htm
> >
>
> So Barnes is a heavy contributor, and he's been bought at least once.
>
And damn near did time in the slammer.