I'm planning a trip to Houston in April to pick up some friends. They
will be taking part in an event at the convention center earlier in the
day, so I'm looking for an airport close to downtown. I've taken a look
at Hobby. Any feedback/suggestions?

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I'm planning a trip to Houston in April to pick up some friends. They
> will be taking part in an event at the convention center earlier in the
> day, so I'm looking for an airport close to downtown. I've taken a look
> at Hobby. Any feedback/suggestions?
>

Have you looked at West Houston?

Check AirNav.com and get a list for the Houston area.

If proximity is the only consideration, KHOU is the logical choice.
They have significant GA traffic there. It's a big busy airport with a
lot of commercial and corporate traffic but it is the closest to
downtown. Be prepared to wait for clearance and taxi and taxiing a long
way. I haven't fueled there recently but I seem to remember the fuel
being a little pricey too.

IAH is very unfriendly to GA. I'd rule it out off the bat. If you are
willing to add 10-15 minutes to the commute, you have a few more
options. SGR is a towered airport with radar on the SW side and DWH is
a towered airport w/radar NW of the city. DWH usually has cheaper
self-serve fuel but SGR is more convenient and they are both about a 45
min drive from downtown. IWS is due West of downtown just off I-10 and
easy to get to and about a 25 minute drive. Its an untowered field but
they have a *really* nice terminal and decent fuel prices.

I almost forgot about EFD Ellington. The former AFB is used by NASA and
literally next door to the Johnson Space Center. Don't know much
about the FBO there. Its just a little further down I-45 than Hobby and
it may be the best bet. Its towered and I think they share Houston
approach radar.


Eddie

wrote:
> I'm planning a trip to Houston in April to pick up some friends. They
> will be taking part in an event at the convention center earlier in the
> day, so I'm looking for an airport close to downtown. I've taken a look
> at Hobby. Any feedback/suggestions?
>

Cheapest fuel in the area tends to be over at Chambers County
airport... I usually fly out of Houston-SW... Weekend fuel prices are
not too bad, not sure about the week days though...

> IAH is very unfriendly to GA. I'd rule it out off the bat.

That is TOTALLY not true. I find IAH very easy to deal with.

Garett Aviation is very friendly to light airplanes, and the
controllers are very easy to deal with. You simply need to be able to
ask for what you want, and comply. Always ask for 15R/33L. It keeps
you out of the way of the big boys, and Garrett is just off the
parallel taxiway (WC).

Michael

Michael wrote:
>>IAH is very unfriendly to GA. I'd rule it out off the bat.
>
>
> That is TOTALLY not true. I find IAH very easy to deal with.


Ok fair enough, just unfriendly to me then. Been there 3 times and
without exception, had difficulties with the controllers everytime.
First their attitude was like I was wasting their time. Secondly "keep
your speed up" means something entirely different to me than to them.
To me it means don't slow down until you absolutely have to, to them it
means hurry up and get out of the way. Lastly, when they figured out
that they can't get rid of me they vectored me all over the country side
and back.

I remember crossing the numbers at 110 kias and simultaneously hearing
tower call please expedite. The only way the warrior gets any faster is
straight down. Thank goodness for the 10K' rwys. A lot depends upon
the active rwy and how busy the controllers are.

Just my 2 cents.

Eddie

HOU is a lot friendlier to GA than IAH... You'll be flying the pattern
with 737s, but you'll be probably landing on the shorter parallel
runway (12L instead of 12R)... Depending upon where you're coming from,
you can a lot of times just call up HOU tower instead of Approach
Control and not get routed all over everywhere... Houston has a lot of
smaller airports, so finding one fairly close to where you want to go
should not be that difficult... Houston does have a serious rush hour
traffic problem, so you might want to consider that depending upon the
time of day...

I did an overnight at Hobby. The controllers were more than helpful
despite my best attempts at screwing up my VFR arrival one rainy, messy
IFR evening. I think it was Raytheon but it could have been Fletcher
(at the south end of one of the runways)... they didn't have tiedowns so
they volunteered to put me in the hangar for the night so my taildragger
didn't get blown off the ramp. They pulled me in and pushed me out - no
fuel. Whatever the overnight fee was it was more than reasonable -
location and services!

Editorial - Secondary airports at big cities and primary airports at
secondary cites generally provide great service to light GA - the
controllers are just working to the standard they have to work to and
while the FBOs vary - they serve just fine. I get free service as often
as charge service - smiles help. I rarely consider the charges out of
line - they have the facility and the location and I have the need.

I've been intimidated and even publicly humiliated by controllers - but
I wasn't operating to standard. If you know what you are doing and can
talk on the radio it all goes well. If you don't, expect to get pushed
around a bit but they will do their best to make it work and you should
do better next time.

My experiences include Westchester, Charlotte, Cleveland, Ft Lauderdale,
Tampa, BWI, Dallas Love, Meigs, Richmond. YMMV but just go for it.



wrote:
> I'm planning a trip to Houston in April to pick up some friends. They
> will be taking part in an event at the convention center earlier in the
> day, so I'm looking for an airport close to downtown. I've taken a look
> at Hobby. Any feedback/suggestions?
>

Maule Driver wrote:
> I did an overnight at Hobby. The controllers were more than helpful
> despite my best attempts at screwing up my VFR arrival one rainy,
messy
> IFR evening.

I've got tons of flights into and out of HOU... There is a lot of GA
traffic there and even quite a bit of student traffic, so the
controllers will definitely work with you if you're not that
comfortable coming into a large Class-B airport... I always enjoyed it
when they put me right beside a 737 and I was racing him for the runway
with a 130 kt approach on short final... If you land first, HE has to
watch out for YOUR wingtip vortices, right? <grin>

Watch out for that intersection of Rwy 18 and Rwy 4 though... If you
land on 18 and still have a little speed when you cross 04, you might
just be back flying unexpectantly... There's about a foot difference
between the level of 18 and 04... Either land long (past the 18 / 04
intersection) or get slowed down way below stall speed before you cross
it... Since the wind is rarely out of the north, 18 is rarely active...

On 28 Mar 2005 10:43:44 -0800, "Michael"
> wrote:

>> IAH is very unfriendly to GA. I'd rule it out off the bat.
>
>That is TOTALLY not true. I find IAH very easy to deal with.
>
I have to agree. I have found that even getting into IAH is very
easy. It takes very little vectoring and the controllers have always
been pleasant. I remember the first time I ever flew into there in a
172, I thought that it was going to be a pain, but it was quite the
opposite. I have been in there 20+ times since and have never had any
issues. Unlike HOBBY where on departure, you almost have to fly way
out of your way if you are going to the north west. They have almost
always taken me just shy of Galveston before they would let me proceed
on course. But I do like Hooby as well. I always used Raytheon as my
FBO of choice. Now Ellington I have never been in. There has never
been a reason to go in there for me. Just as a side note, the FSDO is
there on the field at Ellington.

Scott D

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I agree with the folks who recommend Hobby. I've used several airports
on my regular trips to Houston and found Hobby the most convenient. Be
sharp and brief on the radio--it's busy. Make sure you have the airport
diagram handy when you land.

Fletcher Aviation on the south side of the airport is a friendly FBO.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Maule Driver wrote:
>> I did an overnight at Hobby. The controllers were more than helpful
>> despite my best attempts at screwing up my VFR arrival one rainy,
> messy
>> IFR evening.
>
> I've got tons of flights into and out of HOU... There is a lot of GA
> traffic there and even quite a bit of student traffic, so the
> controllers will definitely work with you if you're not that
> comfortable coming into a large Class-B airport... I always enjoyed it
> when they put me right beside a 737 and I was racing him for the runway
> with a 130 kt approach on short final... If you land first, HE has to
> watch out for YOUR wingtip vortices, right? <grin>
>
> Watch out for that intersection of Rwy 18 and Rwy 4 though... If you
> land on 18 and still have a little speed when you cross 04, you might
> just be back flying unexpectantly... There's about a foot difference
> between the level of 18 and 04... Either land long (past the 18 / 04
> intersection) or get slowed down way below stall speed before you cross
> it... Since the wind is rarely out of the north, 18 is rarely active...
>

Are you talking about landing on 17 and crossing 12R? No, you must mean landing 35 and crossing 4? Or...
whatever ARE you talking about?

Tons of flights to HOU? :)

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"John Clonts" wrote in message ...
> Are you talking about landing on 17 and crossing 12R? No, you must mean
> landing 35 and crossing 4? Or... whatever ARE you talking about?

Thanks for catching it John... Case of brainfart, I guess... Yeah, I'm
talking about landing on 35 and crossing 04... My brain knew what I wanted
to do, my fingers just didn't cooperate... <grin>

> Tons of flights to HOU? :)

Don't like the units of measure? OK, how about replacing "tons" with "a
whole ****in' lot"? Will that do? I had my plane based out of HOU for a
few years... I was over at FletchAir, of course (with all the other
Grummans)...

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message news:iK12e.115002$Ze3.63174@attbi_s51...
> "John Clonts" wrote in message ...
>> Are you talking about landing on 17 and crossing 12R? No, you must mean
>> landing 35 and crossing 4? Or... whatever ARE you talking about?
>
> Thanks for catching it John... Case of brainfart, I guess... Yeah, I'm
> talking about landing on 35 and crossing 04... My brain knew what I wanted
> to do, my fingers just didn't cooperate... <grin>
>
>> Tons of flights to HOU? :)
>
> Don't like the units of measure? OK, how about replacing "tons" with "a
> whole ****in' lot"? Will that do? I had my plane based out of HOU for a
> few years... I was over at FletchAir, of course (with all the other
> Grummans)...
>

No, I was referring to your having flown so much into HOU and yet made the "double mistake" of referring to
runway 35 as runway 18.

Did my primary training there in the early 80's and noted since then that they changed the runway numbers from
13 to 12. When I saw you referring to "18" I thought maybe they had adjusted that runway as well-- that's why
it caught my eye!

Sorry if I offended you...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"John Clonts" wrote in message ...
> No, I was referring to your having flown so much into HOU and yet
> made the "double mistake" of referring to runway 35 as runway 18.

Ah, come on... You've never been dysleptic on the runway numbers? Never? I
knew what I was talking about, my fingers just didn't... <grin>

> Sorry if I offended you...

Awh hell, John... Ya' know it takes more than *that* to offend a Texan... It
would take something like someone saying that BBQ is pork and a mustard
based sauce instead of BEEF BRISKET...

Hobby is fine for what you are wanting to do. Raytheon and Million-Air
are the upper tier FBO's and mostly cater to the corporate crowd, but
Fletcher's isn't low class by ANY means. Most of my experience there is
with Raytheon (I used to work in the back of an Air Ambulance Lear based
there) and I can say they are a top notch, professional outfit. I cannot
vouch for prices.. but I know that I came in there on a dual XC
during my private pilot training (end of a round robin) just to say I'd
gone into a class B field before I got my ticket, and they didn't charge
us for pulling in, using the restroom, buying a coke, and heading back
out.. Call ahead for a car. Hobby has a GA parralel runway (13L/31R)
that they can bring you in to from the west, over the top of the field
and vector to a downwind all while the big iron is landing on 13R/31L.
They have it down to an art.

I am based out of EFD now, but the bird is under construction. Southwest
Services is the FBO there, and they are about 15 minutes further out
than Hobby. They are nice, and they get the job done, but the Military
fuels contract is their bread and butter and they know it... call ahead
for a car too.. Be down to 1000 ft when getting close to EFD and the
traffic pattern is 600 for lil guys. Be VERY alert for military and NASA
guys doing overhead breaks at 1000 ft.. and for FAST movers entering the
area at 1500 ft. Yea.. theres a tower.. but still.

Sugarland and West Houston are BOTH excellent GA/Corporate fields, but
the fact of the matter is both are more distant from your destination
that even Ellington, and Hobby beats all of them.. Hertz has a rental
center AT SGR.

I've been into IAH once (again, to do it) and as a general rule all the
big iron lands east or west, and departs on 15/33 pair. The exception is
STRONG crosswind days. If you absolutely want to do IAH, its doable, and
fairly easy, but set yourself up to approach to the NW corner of the
surface area, and be on the money with your speed and altitude. When the
push is on, they need you to be a good stick.

Hooks is nice, but from a practical standpoint its a longer drive to the
convention center/downtown than ANY of the other choices. Hooks has a
rental car or two I think.. its been a while.

Before I was a pilot (and in my current occupation as a nurse) I worked
as a paramedic, and drove over practically every square mile of Houston
and surrounding counties in 10 years in various ambulances. From a
drive/simplicity standpoint, HOU or EFD are the best bets, hands down.
Construction will be crippling the corridors from SGR or IWS to downtown
for the next few YEARS.

Dave


wrote:

> I'm planning a trip to Houston in April to pick up some friends. They
> will be taking part in an event at the convention center earlier in the
> day, so I'm looking for an airport close to downtown. I've taken a look
> at Hobby. Any feedback/suggestions?
>

Thanks everyone for your replies. Some of the other parties in the
group will be driving west after the event and my friends can catch a
ride to the airport with them. I'm leaning now to either West Houston
or Weiser.

you'll probably like west houston better. weiser is a nice little
guranteed crosswind (9-27) narrow asphalt strip(taxi back in the grass)
that many people love but makes some people kinda nervous.

it does become a time-of-day issue tho. west houston is off I-10 which,
as was mentioned, is under permanent construction and the already
stagnant rush hour (read:daylight...or dark...ok anything other than
1-3am, most days) is made worse, whereas weiser is off 290 (northwest
freeway houston/austinish) which is usually a little better.

enjoy your stay.

dan

"houstondan" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> you'll probably like west houston better. weiser is a nice little
> guranteed crosswind (9-27) narrow asphalt strip(taxi back in the grass)
> that many people love but makes some people kinda nervous.
>
> it does become a time-of-day issue tho. west houston is off I-10 which,
> as was mentioned, is under permanent construction and the already
> stagnant rush hour (read:daylight...or dark...ok anything other than
> 1-3am, most days) is made worse, whereas weiser is off 290 (northwest
> freeway houston/austinish) which is usually a little better.
>
> enjoy your stay.
>
> dan
>

IWS is my home airport. I agree with Dan, IWS is better than EYQ and
Houston traffic sucks! Couple of tips, use the HOV lane on I-10 if your
passengers have 3 or more in the care and get on the freeway before 4:00.
Its not good then but it is better than at 5:00.

For IWS, take the Barker-Cypress exit off I-10 and turn right on
Barker-Cypress road. Go about two miles to Groeske Rd. Turn right. Go about
1/2 mile, turn left into the airport. Big, nice two story terminal with an
observation deck, nice lounge and a used book store, no food though. Check
the Notams, the NDB has been OTS for months.

For EYQ, follow 290 towards Austin. take the Huffmeister exit off 290.
Stay on the frontage road past Huffmeister and turn right at the Airport
signs. The airport is right beside the freeway. Follow the road past the
third set of T-hangers and turn left. Windsock Aviation is at the end of
the T-hangers.

Good luck and welcome to Houston,

Eddie

Weiser is cool though I wonder what happens if the field is wet...
parking can be an issue. Have a friend who is still wide-eyed after
flying his Navajo in there.

Take everyone's traffic warnings seriously, "it was only a 45 min flight
but it took 2 hours to drive to...."

Have fun

wrote:
> Thanks everyone for your replies. Some of the other parties in the
> group will be driving west after the event and my friends can catch a
> ride to the airport with them. I'm leaning now to either West Houston
> or Weiser.
>

For EYQ, don't forget Carl's BBQ at the airport... One of those airport
restaurants that even attracts people who don't have an interest in
aviation... Not the *best* BBQ around, but pretty good and definitely
the best food at any of the Houston area airports...

carl's really is good down-home eating. very good barbq and homestyle
sides by the ton. really good stuff.

should mention, if you do use weiser they try to noise abate for the
neighborhood to the north and east of the field so rw 9 is right
pattern out immediately. if you're going north, they ask you to hang a
right over the freeway (290) till you get enough altitude then cross
back over the field. rway 27 is left pattern. oh and one other thing.
on rw 9, the runway starts 3 1/2 feet from the freeway so try to time
your approach so you come in between the tall trucks.

dan

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message news:cw32e.112476$r55.64388@attbi_s52...
> "John Clonts" wrote in message ...
>> No, I was referring to your having flown so much into HOU and yet
>> made the "double mistake" of referring to runway 35 as runway 18.
>
> Ah, come on... You've never been dysleptic on the runway numbers? Never? I
> knew what I was talking about, my fingers just didn't... <grin>
>

Yeah, but you gotta admit that the statement "Since the wind is rarely out of the north, 18 is rarely active"
is pretty funny! But really I did want to figure out whether the "hump" you were describing was where 17
crosses 12R, or where 17 crosses 4. Seems that the answer is the latter, which is why I had never noticed it--
since the wind is rarely out of the north, and 35 is rarely active :)


>> Sorry if I offended you...
>
> Awh hell, John... Ya' know it takes more than *that* to offend a Texan... It
> would take something like someone saying that BBQ is pork and a mustard
> based sauce instead of BEEF BRISKET...
>
>

We can agree on that! COOPERS Rules!

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"Grumman-581" wrote:
....
> For EYQ, don't forget Carl's BBQ at the airport... One of those
> airport
> restaurants that even attracts people who don't have an interest in
> aviation... Not the *best* BBQ around,

Ok, what's the best? I'm a Houston native but I have lived Alabama for
15 years and I've lost track. Carl's is pretty damned good, in my
opinion.

You would be appalled at what passes for barbeque east of the
Mississippi.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"John Clonts" wrote in message ...
> Yeah, but you gotta admit that the statement "Since the wind
> is rarely out of the north, 18 is rarely active" is pretty funny!

Brain fart caused by caffeine withdrawal... It happens... Hell, ya' knew
what I meant anyway, right? <grin>

> Seems that the answer is the latter, which is why I had never noticed it--
> since the wind is rarely out of the north, and 35 is rarely active :)

Yep, it's when you're landing on 35 and you cross 04... Since they like you
to keep your speed up, you might not be all that slow by the time you cross
04 and it'll pop ya' right back up there... <texas-accent>Just when ya'
thinkin' dat ya' got it landed, ya' gets ya' a big s'prise...</texas-accent>

"Dan Luke" wrote in message ...
> Ok, what's the best? I'm a Houston native but I have lived Alabama for
> 15 years and I've lost track. Carl's is pretty damned good, in my
> opinion.

Yep, Carl's is good... There was one place that I stumbled across on the way
to San Antonio a couple of years ago that was especially good, but I don't
remember their name... It was at night, but I think I *might* be able to
find it if I ever get back that way... They also sold jerky that they smoked
that was rather good... The type of jerky that you sometimes see being sold
at the gun shows...

> You would be appalled at what passes for barbeque east of the
> Mississippi.

I've seen it... Blasphemy!!! Chuck roast cooked in an electric oven with
BBQ sauce over it... <bllleecchh> In Florida, they think BBQ is *pig*... In
Texas, of course, we *know* that BBQ is *beef* -- not just *beef*, but *beef
brisket*...

I have to admit, the BBQ is good at Carls at Weiser... but based on the
mission he posted (going downtown, and needing cars, etc) I didn't even
mention it. Nothing "wrong" with the field, but all the other mentioned
caveats apply: perpetual crosswind, narrow runway, parking (and taxiing)
on sod, no ready stock of rental cars, no around the clock service. But
if you have folks in that end of town you are seeing, who can come get
you... or if you want some GOOD ribs and brisket.. Dat's the place!

Dave

houstondan wrote:
> carl's really is good down-home eating. very good barbq and homestyle
> sides by the ton. really good stuff.
>
> should mention, if you do use weiser they try to noise abate for the
> neighborhood to the north and east of the field so rw 9 is right
> pattern out immediately. if you're going north, they ask you to hang a
> right over the freeway (290) till you get enough altitude then cross
> back over the field. rway 27 is left pattern. oh and one other thing.
> on rw 9, the runway starts 3 1/2 feet from the freeway so try to time
> your approach so you come in between the tall trucks.
>
> dan
>

now, i'm probably going to get in trouble somewhere here but...weiser
is the last picture show of airports. many of the best airplane people
i personally know of base there and i think there's a kind of
camaraderie about operating out of this little asphalt crosswind
mostly on grass urban strip.

windsock avaition has a front porch that is maybe 20 feet from the 9
touchdown point.that porch setting is just as picturesque as it gets.
great place to sit and watch the traffic. you will feel the wind off
the wingtips on that porch. it's what you think of as an old fashioned
"field". love it. just love it.

dan

I tried looking on Dylan Smith's webpage (he used to frequent the lists
here a LOT before he moved back to the Ilse of Man).. and he had an
interesting story to tell about that front porch/observation area
located a wingspan away from the runway.. something about the time he
nearly groundlooped the club's C-170 there.. and how to the effect that
everyone in that nice little fenced in area "**** and git out of the
way" (my phrase, not his)... everything worked out nice in the end.. but
just remember that you don't ALWAYS want to be that close to the runway
when students (and some non-students) are doing crosswind stuff.

Maybe it was never on his page, and was just here on usenet after all.

Dylan's page: http://www.alioth.net/flying/index.html

Dave

houstondan wrote:

> now, i'm probably going to get in trouble somewhere here but...weiser
> is the last picture show of airports. many of the best airplane people
> i personally know of base there and i think there's a kind of
> camaraderie about operating out of this little asphalt crosswind
> mostly on grass urban strip.
>
> windsock avaition has a front porch that is maybe 20 feet from the 9
> touchdown point.that porch setting is just as picturesque as it gets.
> great place to sit and watch the traffic. you will feel the wind off
> the wingtips on that porch. it's what you think of as an old fashioned
> "field". love it. just love it.
>
> dan
>

In article >, Nobody wrote:
> Ok fair enough, just unfriendly to me then. Been there 3 times and
> without exception, had difficulties with the controllers everytime.

Not my experience - I've even been in riding along in a Piper TriPacer.
No problems except they kept thinking we had said 'Citation' (although
they were a little uncertain because they hadn't quite seen one THAT
slow before).

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In article >, Maule Driver wrote:
> Weiser is cool though I wonder what happens if the field is wet...

When the field is wet you back taxi down the runway rather than taxi in
the grass. It can get a trifle muddy, and even light twins will get
stuck. I've not had a problem in the parking areas, but it can get very
wet there too.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In article t>, Dave S wrote:
> Maybe it was never on his page, and was just here on usenet after all.

Actually, it is: the direct link:
http://www.dylansmith.net/c170/badlanding.html

The addenum is that an hour later, I was sitting at that end (Windsock
wasn't there at the time, only a couple of old decaying wooden benches)
and someone came up to me and asked if I had flown the C170 in. (IIRC,
it was Ashley Histand, one of the BAAC's instructors who happened to be
up there too). I sheepishly admitted 'yes', and carefully enquired if
he'd witnessed my landing. He said no, he just saw that the plane was
parked up. I let out a sigh of relief.

I'm not sure I ever told him why I enquired whether he'd seen the
landing though.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
news:gro2e.13068$NW5.27@attbi_s02...
> I've seen it... Blasphemy!!! Chuck roast cooked in an electric oven with
> BBQ sauce over it... <bllleecchh> In Florida, they think BBQ is *pig*...
In
> Texas, of course, we *know* that BBQ is *beef* -- not just *beef*, but
*beef
> brisket*...

Think that's bad, you should see what they try to pass off as CHILI!!


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ...
> Think that's bad, you should see what they try to pass off as CHILI!!

Yeah, they probably even use *ground* meat... Every *real* Texan knows that
the meat must be diced and not ground...

"Grumman-581" wrote:
>> Think that's bad, you should see what they try to pass off as CHILI!!
>
> Yeah, they probably even use *ground* meat...

And they put (shudder) BEANS in it! and tomatoes! Aaaagghhh!
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message ...
> And they put (shudder) BEANS in it! and tomatoes! Aaaagghhh!

Tomato sauce or juice or actual tomatoes?

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Grumman-581" wrote:
> >> Think that's bad, you should see what they try to pass off as CHILI!!
> >
> > Yeah, they probably even use *ground* meat...
>
> And they put (shudder) BEANS in it! and tomatoes! Aaaagghhh!

Or even worse (if there could be such a thing), chopped celery!!

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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ...
> Or even worse (if there could be such a thing), chopped celery!!

You sure they're not trying to make spaghetti sauce?

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
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> "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ...
> > Or even worse (if there could be such a thing), chopped celery!!
>
> You sure they're not trying to make spaghetti sauce?

Who the hell knows...?

"Grumman-581" wrote:

>> And they put (shudder) BEANS in it! and tomatoes! Aaaagghhh!
>
> Tomato sauce or juice or actual tomatoes?
>
Any and all of the above. Ick.

Dan Luke wrote:
> Any and all of the above. Ick.

Tomato juice as a replacement for water is not that bad.