A Cherokee 180 landing in a thunderstorm, ends up entangled in power
lines -- and the pilot survives!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/13/plane.entangled/index.html
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Another woman said it appeared that the pilot was trying to maneuver
the plane to miss hitting homes."

Does AOPA hand this out in scripts for eyewitnesses to read to the
press?

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Another woman said it appeared that the pilot was trying to maneuver
> the plane to miss hitting homes."
>
> Does AOPA hand this out in scripts for eyewitnesses to read to the
> press?

I don't think they have to. If you were coming down, wouldn't you try to avoid
something like a house? I was taught to hit the softest, cheapest thing I could
find if a crash is inevitable.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Another woman said it appeared that the pilot was trying to maneuver
> the plane to miss hitting homes."
>
> Does AOPA hand this out in scripts for eyewitnesses to read to the
> press?


Of ocurse he's trying to avoid hitting homes. He doesn't want to hit
*anything*.

I remember reading in the paper about my own plane crash where somebody on the
ground commented on the superior job I'd done avoiding houses where kids were
playing out front. To tell you the truth, I don't remember them even being
there. All my attention was drawn to the field I was trying for.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

In article >,
says...
>
>
>Dan Luke wrote:
>> "Another woman said it appeared that the pilot was trying to maneuver
>> the plane to miss hitting homes."
>>
>> Does AOPA hand this out in scripts for eyewitnesses to read to the
>> press?
>
>
>Of ocurse he's trying to avoid hitting homes. He doesn't want to hit
>*anything*.
>
>I remember reading in the paper about my own plane crash where somebody on the
>ground commented on the superior job I'd done avoiding houses where kids were
>playing out front. To tell you the truth, I don't remember them even being
>there.

LOL - That's what I always assume when I read those things.
Hell, with all the gratuitous bad press we get, we might as well get some
partially-warranted praise now and again!

G Faris

"G Farris" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>>
>>Dan Luke wrote:
>>> "Another woman said it appeared that the pilot was trying to maneuver
>>> the plane to miss hitting homes."
>>>
>>> Does AOPA hand this out in scripts for eyewitnesses to read to the
>>> press?
>>
>>
>>Of ocurse he's trying to avoid hitting homes. He doesn't want to hit
>>*anything*.
>>
>>I remember reading in the paper about my own plane crash where somebody on
>>the
>>ground commented on the superior job I'd done avoiding houses where kids
>>were
>>playing out front. To tell you the truth, I don't remember them even
>>being
>>there.
>
> LOL - That's what I always assume when I read those things.
> Hell, with all the gratuitous bad press we get, we might as well get some
> partially-warranted praise now and again!
>
I would guess that the pilot it trying to miss the biggest/hardest thing in
his path. Everything else gets filtered out.

>>by G Farris > Nov 14, 2005 at 02:36 PM


In article >,
says...
>
>
>Dan Luke wrote:
>> "Another woman said it appeared that the pilot was trying to maneuver
>> the plane to miss hitting homes."
>>
>> Does AOPA hand this out in scripts for eyewitnesses to read to the
>> press?
>
>
>Of ocurse he's trying to avoid hitting homes. He doesn't want to hit
>*anything*.
>
>I remember reading in the paper about my own plane crash where somebody
on the
>ground commented on the superior job I'd done avoiding houses where kids
were
>playing out front. To tell you the truth, I don't remember them even
being
>there.

LOL - That's what I always assume when I read those things.
Hell, with all the gratuitous bad press we get, we might as well get some

partially-warranted praise now and again!

G Faris<<

Not all of the press was positive!
http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_801.asp

In article
utaviation.com>,
says...

>
>Not all of the press was positive!
>http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_801.asp
>

Well, it's not all that bad. Puts the FAA in a rather bad light for not
doing their job, but otherwise :

Had he been driving a car, instead of flying a light plane, the danger he
presents to others would have been much greater. It's a fact : light
aviation accidents very rarely cause any injuries or deaths to people on
the ground. The only significant danger is to those directly involved, who
are supposed to be aware and consenting.

Second fact : as a pilot, in the execsise of aviation activities, your
chances of being killed by another, negligent operator are close to nil. It
"can" happen, and has happened of course, but it is safe to say you are
master of your own destiny, and if you do right, avitaion will do right by
you. In car accidents it always seems it's the drunken kids who just held
up a drugstore who walk away from the accident, while the schoolteacher and
family of five perish. In aviation, you get out of it what you put into it
- that should satisfy those "Live Free or Die" zealots.

Third fact (artifact) - Aviaiton is a great ambassador for sobriety! All of
the pilots I know are careful about the amount they drink, and many do not
drink at all, BECAUSE of their aviation activity. Flying is a lot more fun
than drinking anyway. Medical qualifications in a more general sense follow
the same rule (look at Jay and his diet). Fact : The attitude of being a
pilot is good for your health, and reduces dangers to others and to
society.

GF

>>by G Farris <IFR@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nov 15, 2005 at 01:19 AM


In article
<9df32ce06cd276804d2ad5ee13daf3ce@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
live-ski-or-die@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...

>
>Not all of the press was positive!
>http://www.620wtmj.com/_content/news/story_801.asp
>

Well, it's not all that bad. Puts the FAA in a rather bad light for not
doing their job, but otherwise :

Had he been driving a car, instead of flying a light plane, the danger he

presents to others would have been much greater. It's a fact : light
aviation accidents very rarely cause any injuries or deaths to people on
the ground. The only significant danger is to those directly involved,
who

are supposed to be aware and consenting.

Second fact : as a pilot, in the execsise of aviation activities, your
chances of being killed by another, negligent operator are close to nil.
It
"can" happen, and has happened of course, but it is safe to say you are
master of your own destiny, and if you do right, avitaion will do right
by

you. In car accidents it always seems it's the drunken kids who just held

up a drugstore who walk away from the accident, while the schoolteacher
and
family of five perish. In aviation, you get out of it what you put into
it

- that should satisfy those "Live Free or Die" zealots.

Third fact (artifact) - Aviaiton is a great ambassador for sobriety! All
of
the pilots I know are careful about the amount they drink, and many do
not

drink at all, BECAUSE of their aviation activity. Flying is a lot more
fun

than drinking anyway. Medical qualifications in a more general sense
follow
the same rule (look at Jay and his diet). Fact : The attitude of being a
pilot is good for your health, and reduces dangers to others and to
society.

GF<<

I happen to agree with (just about) everything you said. Just pointing
out that the press coverage was not overwhelmingly positive, as the
headline indicated.

About the second point though, concern about mid-airs is definitely high
on many pilots worry lists: See and avoid MEANs that others actions can
definitely have an "impact" on your own safety in the air. Read the
just-released transcript of the tower's communications with the ill-fated
150 that had a mid-air in Washington.

>
>About the second point though, concern about mid-airs is definitely high
>on many pilots worry lists: See and avoid MEANs that others actions can
>definitely have an "impact" on your own safety in the air. Read the
>just-released transcript of the tower's communications with the ill-fated
>150 that had a mid-air in Washington.
>
>

Of course it can happen, and does. And ground casualties can and do happen.
The number of people though who can say their lives or the lives of their
loved ones have been affected by an accident to an airplane in which they
were not travelling is extremely small. Of course it requires vigilance by
all pilots to avoid air-to-air collisions, and of course it requires
sensible operating practice to avoid endangering residents on the ground,
but pilots tend largely to be both vigilant and sensible.

Most of us take some satisfaction in knowing that we are unlikely to be
gratuitously killed by a negligent pilot other than ourselves! This is not
true on the road, where thousands are killed every year despite their being
cautious, sensible drivers.

G Faris

"Skylune" > wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:

Skylune, you really need to learn how to do proper quoting.
Since you're posts are such a friggin' mess they're practically
unreadable I guess my only alternative is to plonk you so I
can't see them anymore.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
Supernews sucks - blocking google, usenet.com & newsfeeds.com posts

>>by Skywise <into@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nov 15, 2005 at 07:54 PM


"Skylune" <live-ski-or-die@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
news:0d2f4b72d9fc6cc1b04c9bee50000592@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
you really need to learn how to do proper quoting.
Since you're posts are such a friggin' mess they're practically
unreadable I guess my only alternative is to plonk you so I
can't see them anymore.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com
- Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
Supernews sucks - blocking google, usenet.com & newsfeeds.com posts<<

Plonk away! (You really do need to "learn to do" proper grammar, diction
(the "you're" conjuction you used is incorrect: it should be "your" as a
possessive pronoun), syntax etc.

And the phrase "your only alternative" is an oxymoron.

>>by "Skylune" > Nov 15, 2005 at 03:47 PM


>>by Skywise <into@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nov 15, 2005 at 07:54 PM


"Skylune" <live-ski-or-die@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
news:0d2f4b72d9fc6cc1b04c9bee50000592@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
you really need to learn how to do proper quoting.
Since you're posts are such a friggin' mess they're practically
unreadable I guess my only alternative is to plonk you so I
can't see them anymore.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com
- Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
Supernews sucks - blocking google, usenet.com & newsfeeds.com posts<<

Plonk away! (You really do need to "learn to do" proper grammar, diction
(the "you're" conjuction you used is incorrect: it should be "your" as a
possessive pronoun), syntax etc.

And the phrase "your only alternative" is an oxymoron.<<

But I expect to much. Here's what I found on your weird website:

"It absolutely amazes me at times some of the silly things people will
believe in. Many people I can forgive for simple lack of education."

HOLY COW. What a grammatical abortion!!! Forgiveness starts with
yourself!!

In article
utaviation.com>,
says...

>
>But I expect to much. Here's what I found on your weird website:
>
>"It absolutely amazes me at times some of the silly things people will
>believe in. Many people I can forgive for simple lack of education."
>
>HOLY COW. What a grammatical abortion!!! Forgiveness starts with
>yourself!!
>



>
>>But I expect to much.

Well . . . we'll rack it up as a typo.
Should be careful in this type of post though.

GF

G Farris > wrote in :

> In article
> utaviation.com>,
> says...
>
>>
>>But I expect to much. Here's what I found on your weird website:
>>
>>"It absolutely amazes me at times some of the silly things people will
>>believe in. Many people I can forgive for simple lack of education."
>>
>>HOLY COW. What a grammatical abortion!!! Forgiveness starts with
>>yourself!!
>>
>
>
>
>>
>>>But I expect to much.
>
> Well . . . we'll rack it up as a typo.
> Should be careful in this type of post though.
>
> GF

What? He's bitching about a typo? Is that the best he can do
in response to my critique? <sigh>

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
Supernews sucks - blocking google, usenet.com & newsfeeds.com posts

"Skywise" > wrote in message
...
> "Skylune" > wrote in
> lkaboutaviation.com:
>
> Skylune, you really need to learn how to do proper quoting.
> Since you're posts are such a friggin' mess they're practically
> unreadable I guess my only alternative is to plonk you so I
> can't see them anymore.
>
> Brian

I also plonked him after he started making his posts such a mess. Before
that I was irritated, but kept on reading. Irritating writer + irritating
newsreader = not worth it anymore.
--
Jim in NC

("Morgans" wrote)
>> Skylune, you really need to learn how to do proper quoting.
>> Since you're posts are such a friggin' mess they're practically
>> unreadable I guess my only alternative is to plonk you so I
>> can't see them anymore.

> I also plonked him after he started making his posts such a mess. Before
> that I was irritated, but kept on reading. Irritating writer + irritating
> newsreader = not worth it anymore.


I've read him all along but agree, enough is enough. If I thought he was
making a real effort I'd cut him more slack. However, I don't get the
feeling he's trying (or even gives a rip) that he's tripping up readers with
each of his posts.

As it is, S-Loon = skip posts for now. I'll check back in a month or so...


Montblack

Morgans wrote:
> "Skywise" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Skylune" > wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:
>>
>>Skylune, you really need to learn how to do proper quoting.
>>Since you're posts are such a friggin' mess they're practically
>>unreadable I guess my only alternative is to plonk you so I
>>can't see them anymore.
>>
>>Brian
>
>
> I also plonked him after he started making his posts such a mess. Before
> that I was irritated, but kept on reading. Irritating writer + irritating
> newsreader = not worth it anymore.

So what you're really saying is that if there is a message there in the
list you just have to click on it, you can't stop yourself? Do you
really look at every message?

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:14:37 GMT, George Patterson
> wrote:

>Dan Luke wrote:
>> "Another woman said it appeared that the pilot was trying to maneuver
>> the plane to miss hitting homes."
>>
>> Does AOPA hand this out in scripts for eyewitnesses to read to the
>> press?
>
>I don't think they have to. If you were coming down, wouldn't you try to avoid
>something like a house? I was taught to hit the softest, cheapest thing I could
>find if a crash is inevitable.
>

Unfortunately on final for 36 there are all these great big roofs.
Roofs at 30 feet and trees at 60 feet. Streets run cross ways with
some very short "courts" that run N/S. Of course our shortest runway
is 18/36 so on departure for 18 there is no place to go unless your
departure is at maximum effort so you could make a 90 degree turn for
the express way, unless you can make a 120 for 06. That sub appears
to be designed to leave no safe spots.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

>George Patterson
> Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
> It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

"Newps" > wrote
>
> So what you're really saying is that if there is a message there in the
> list you just have to click on it, you can't stop yourself? Do you
> really look at every message?

I generally keep my cursor on the "next post" box, and just pull up the next
post. If it is a thread that I have lost interest in, I click on the "mark
conversation read" box.

Sometimes, when I go to the next post, and see who the writer is, that the
post is longer that what the writer is usually worth, I skip over it
quickly. I also have a pretty good sized kill file. That helps to cut down
of the garbage posts. Otherwise, yes, I read pretty much every post. It
should be noted that I read almost twice as fast as the average person. I
read much much faster than anyone can possibly talk, except skyloon. <g>
--
Jim in NC

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 01:26:06 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>A Cherokee 180 landing in a thunderstorm, ends up entangled in power
>lines -- and the pilot survives!
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/13/plane.entangled/index.html

He'd have been a whole lot luckier if he'd stayed on the ground.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 at 19:43:04 in message
>, Dan Luke
> wrote:
>"Another woman said it appeared that the pilot was trying to maneuver
>the plane to miss hitting homes."
>
>Does AOPA hand this out in scripts for eyewitnesses to read to the
>press?
>
I remember my father telling me (and this before WW2 or soon after it
started) that nearly all the newspaper reports of aircraft crashes that
he recalled had three components.

1. "The Engine was making a Funny Noise."
2. "The Pilot was struggling with the controls."
3. "The Pilot fought to avoid the 'School', 'Hospital' 'Old
People's Home etc.

My father added, 'Who wants to crash into a large building anyway?' but
that is rather cynical.
--
David CL Francis

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 at 20:35:15 in message
>, B A R R Y
> wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:53:19 GMT, David CL Francis
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 13
>>
>>1. "The Engine was making a Funny Noise."
>>2. "The Pilot was struggling with the controls."
>>3. "The Pilot fought to avoid the 'School', 'Hospital' 'Old
>> People's Home etc.
>>
>>My father added, 'Who wants to crash into a large building anyway?' but
>>that is rather cynical.
>
>
>Don't forget the "loud bang"!
>
Funny you should mention that. When I was 2 or 3 (yes I do remember some
things back then) and my Father and Mother and I lived in Married
Quarters at Leuchars, I clearly remember hearing a colossal bang and I
grasped that an aircraft had crashed. I remember feeling very annoyed
that my Father refused to take me to see what was going on!

Would you believe that was back around 1932-33? See my not recently
updated WEB site for a picture of me about that time.

http://www.dclf.demon.co.uk/
--
David CL Francis

"David CL Francis" > wrote

> Funny you should mention that. When I was 2 or 3 (yes I do remember some
> things back then) and my Father and Mother and I lived in Married
> Quarters at Leuchars, I clearly remember hearing a colossal bang and I
> grasped that an aircraft had crashed. I remember feeling very annoyed
> that my Father refused to take me to see what was going on!

When I was in 10th grade, I was in the HS choir, and we were going to DC, to
take part in a choir festival. This was to be my first ride into the air.

As we were arriving at the terminal, I (and others) saw a huge cloud of
smoke go up, from the other side of the terminal. I didn't know what it was,
at first.

We checked in, and then heard our flight was to be delayed, due to one of
the Toledo OH air national guard's F-100's crashing off the end of the
runway. I don't remember if it was during takeoff, or what.

Our 707 took off, right over the wreckage, but despite that, I still loved
the flight. Warped? I don't know.

It was 72, or 73, I think. I may go back into the NTSB and see what I can
find out about it, out of curiosity.
--
Jim in NC