And as usual, the media- esse tried to hype it, but the reporter from
the copter really did a good job explaining.

The pilot skimmed it in just perfect. No problem.
Oh, this was live TV...

~D

Dave wrote on 11/17/05 09:15:

> And as usual, the media- esse tried to hype it, but the reporter from
> the copter really did a good job explaining.
>
> The pilot skimmed it in just perfect. No problem.
> Oh, this was live TV...


Yeah, must be a slow news day when CNN covers a gear problem and belly landing
of a King Air live...

-Joe

If they have the video, CNN would cover ditch diggers on a slow news
day.

"Joe Feise" > wrote in message
...
> Dave wrote on 11/17/05 09:15:
>
>> And as usual, the media- esse tried to hype it, but the reporter
>> from
>> the copter really did a good job explaining.
>>
>> The pilot skimmed it in just perfect. No problem.
>> Oh, this was live TV...
>
>
> Yeah, must be a slow news day when CNN covers a gear problem and belly
> landing
> of a King Air live...
>
> -Joe

Joe Feise wrote:

>Yeah, must be a slow news day when CNN covers a gear problem and belly landing
>of a King Air live...
>
>
It wasn't just CNN, FOX and MSNBC were also covering it. Sure was a
smooth landing. Seemed to hang a bit though, I guess ground effect is
pretty huge when the wing is only a foot off the ground.

--
Chris W
KE5GIX

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two big GA airports in Atlanta.

"Chris W" > wrote in message
news:m95ff.11794$ih5.10682@dukeread11...
> Joe Feise wrote:
>
>>Yeah, must be a slow news day when CNN covers a gear problem and belly
>>landing
>>of a King Air live...
>>
> It wasn't just CNN, FOX and MSNBC were also covering it. Sure was a
> smooth landing. Seemed to hang a bit though, I guess ground effect is
> pretty huge when the wing is only a foot off the ground.
>
> --
> Chris W
> KE5GIX

He was carrying extra speed to fly it onto the runway, which he did
perfectly.
The REAL smooth job of flying with this incident wasn't really the landing,
but rather the earlier touch and go on the left main. He had to hold up the
right wing as he tried to get a little bounce on the left main trying to jar
the right side retaining latches loose. That's a mean trick, and takes a
good stick to pull it off without dropping the wing down far enough to catch
the prop tips. It didn't work, but he got through the try without dinging
it.
He did a good job all around I would say.
Dudley Henriques

Dudley

Did you notice he had at least the port engine shut down. Couldn't
tell from camera angle but may not have gotten the prop(s).
In ny event, Good job.

Big John
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:05:08 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>
>"Chris W" > wrote in message
>news:m95ff.11794$ih5.10682@dukeread11...
>> Joe Feise wrote:
>>
>>>Yeah, must be a slow news day when CNN covers a gear problem and belly
>>>landing
>>>of a King Air live...
>>>
>> It wasn't just CNN, FOX and MSNBC were also covering it. Sure was a
>> smooth landing. Seemed to hang a bit though, I guess ground effect is
>> pretty huge when the wing is only a foot off the ground.
>>
>> --
>> Chris W
>> KE5GIX
>
>He was carrying extra speed to fly it onto the runway, which he did
>perfectly.
>The REAL smooth job of flying with this incident wasn't really the landing,
>but rather the earlier touch and go on the left main. He had to hold up the
>right wing as he tried to get a little bounce on the left main trying to jar
>the right side retaining latches loose. That's a mean trick, and takes a
>good stick to pull it off without dropping the wing down far enough to catch
>the prop tips. It didn't work, but he got through the try without dinging
>it.
>He did a good job all around I would say.
>Dudley Henriques
>

Hi BJ;
Hope all has been well with you and yours.
I just sort of caught this whole thing on the fly, as we were going out the
door as it was happening :-)
Are you referring to the gear bounce pass or the final belly in John? I did
catch a short replay later on that evening.
On the final landing it looked like he went to idle cut off on both fans
going into the flare but from the view angle it was hard to tell. I'm
assuming he caught at least two blades out of the four on each side as he
settled in but the camera angle was quartering rear which hid everything
under the plane after the slide.
On the bounce pass, I was just assuming he had both fans up. Did he have the
left engine zeroed? Wasn't the port side the side with the gear down?
Why would he zero the port engine?
It looked like the bounce pass was done above the blue line anyway, but I
sure wouldn't have tried that pass with the left engine down......of course
it wasn't my call, but to me that would seem strange??????
Dudley

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley
>
> Did you notice he had at least the port engine shut down. Couldn't
> tell from camera angle but may not have gotten the prop(s).
> In ny event, Good job.
>
> Big John
> `````````````````````````````````````````````````` `````````````````````
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:05:08 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chris W" > wrote in message
>>news:m95ff.11794$ih5.10682@dukeread11...
>>> Joe Feise wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yeah, must be a slow news day when CNN covers a gear problem and belly
>>>>landing
>>>>of a King Air live...
>>>>
>>> It wasn't just CNN, FOX and MSNBC were also covering it. Sure was a
>>> smooth landing. Seemed to hang a bit though, I guess ground effect is
>>> pretty huge when the wing is only a foot off the ground.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris W
>>> KE5GIX
>>
>>He was carrying extra speed to fly it onto the runway, which he did
>>perfectly.
>>The REAL smooth job of flying with this incident wasn't really the
>>landing,
>>but rather the earlier touch and go on the left main. He had to hold up
>>the
>>right wing as he tried to get a little bounce on the left main trying to
>>jar
>>the right side retaining latches loose. That's a mean trick, and takes a
>>good stick to pull it off without dropping the wing down far enough to
>>catch
>>the prop tips. It didn't work, but he got through the try without dinging
>>it.
>>He did a good job all around I would say.
>>Dudley Henriques
>>
>

Dudley

I'm sure he had both turning on the bounce pass even though I did not
see on tube.

Ability to control A/C on single engine at the speed to bounce the
good gear would be a shaky operation even for an expert.

We had a number of stuck gears in AF that I knew of first hand and the
odds of getting out of wheel well was much less than 25% on a bounce
pass.

I wonder if anyone is near the field and could get us a damage report.
If he didn't get the props they should have lifted the bird up and he
could have flown back to home base (maybe with gear pined down if
problem was not a quick fix).

Bottom line is a dam good job and coolness under pressure. Touch down
attitude and air speed could not have been better.

On my health. It's been poorly. Age catches up with us all eventually
:o( Not a spring chicken anymore.

Big John
```````````````````````````````````````````````

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:25:49 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>Hi BJ;
>Hope all has been well with you and yours.
>I just sort of caught this whole thing on the fly, as we were going out the
>door as it was happening :-)
>Are you referring to the gear bounce pass or the final belly in John? I did
>catch a short replay later on that evening.
>On the final landing it looked like he went to idle cut off on both fans
>going into the flare but from the view angle it was hard to tell. I'm
>assuming he caught at least two blades out of the four on each side as he
>settled in but the camera angle was quartering rear which hid everything
>under the plane after the slide.
>On the bounce pass, I was just assuming he had both fans up. Did he have the
>left engine zeroed? Wasn't the port side the side with the gear down?
>Why would he zero the port engine?
>It looked like the bounce pass was done above the blue line anyway, but I
>sure wouldn't have tried that pass with the left engine down......of course
>it wasn't my call, but to me that would seem strange??????
>Dudley
>
>"Big John" > wrote in message
...
>> Dudley
>>
>> Did you notice he had at least the port engine shut down. Couldn't
>> tell from camera angle but may not have gotten the prop(s).
>> In ny event, Good job.
>>
>> Big John
>> `````````````````````````````````````````````````` `````````````````````
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:05:08 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Chris W" > wrote in message
>>>news:m95ff.11794$ih5.10682@dukeread11...
>>>> Joe Feise wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, must be a slow news day when CNN covers a gear problem and belly
>>>>>landing
>>>>>of a King Air live...
>>>>>
>>>> It wasn't just CNN, FOX and MSNBC were also covering it. Sure was a
>>>> smooth landing. Seemed to hang a bit though, I guess ground effect is
>>>> pretty huge when the wing is only a foot off the ground.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris W
>>>> KE5GIX
>>>
>>>He was carrying extra speed to fly it onto the runway, which he did
>>>perfectly.
>>>The REAL smooth job of flying with this incident wasn't really the
>>>landing,
>>>but rather the earlier touch and go on the left main. He had to hold up
>>>the
>>>right wing as he tried to get a little bounce on the left main trying to
>>>jar
>>>the right side retaining latches loose. That's a mean trick, and takes a
>>>good stick to pull it off without dropping the wing down far enough to
>>>catch
>>>the prop tips. It didn't work, but he got through the try without dinging
>>>it.
>>>He did a good job all around I would say.
>>>Dudley Henriques
>>>
>>
>

"Big John" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley
>
> I'm sure he had both turning on the bounce pass even though I did not
> see on tube.
>
> Ability to control A/C on single engine at the speed to bounce the
> good gear would be a shaky operation even for an expert.

My thinking as well :-))
>
> We had a number of stuck gears in AF that I knew of first hand and the
> odds of getting out of wheel well was much less than 25% on a bounce
> pass.

The standard procedure in the 51 was to yaw the hell out it then try a high
g pullout to free the latch. I watched Hoover put his down on one foot at
Transpo in 72. He didn't even scratch the prop!! They had it flying again
that week. I was managing Miss America for Howie Keefe that week and we
loaned Hoover Miss America so he could do his show. :-)
>
> I wonder if anyone is near the field and could get us a damage report.
> If he didn't get the props they should have lifted the bird up and he
> could have flown back to home base (maybe with gear pined down if
> problem was not a quick fix).
I've never flown the King, but with four blades on each engine, I would
think he HAD to ding at least two on each side.
>
> Bottom line is a dam good job and coolness under pressure. Touch down
> attitude and air speed could not have been better.
I agree. In watching the landing, I could tell he was flying it on rather
than simply increasing the angle of attack into the touchdown. A real smooth
job.
I actually couldn't tell the instant he put it on the ground :-))
>
> On my health. It's been poorly. Age catches up with us all eventually
> :o( Not a spring chicken anymore.

I'm sorry to hear that John. I hope things get better for you. I've just had
a 4 level lumbar laminectomy myself.
I agree, it's no damn fun getting old is it? :-))))))))))))
Dudley


>
> Big John
> ```````````````````````````````````````````````
>
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:25:49 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> > wrote:
>
>>Hi BJ;
>>Hope all has been well with you and yours.
>>I just sort of caught this whole thing on the fly, as we were going out
>>the
>>door as it was happening :-)
>>Are you referring to the gear bounce pass or the final belly in John? I
>>did
>>catch a short replay later on that evening.
>>On the final landing it looked like he went to idle cut off on both fans
>>going into the flare but from the view angle it was hard to tell. I'm
>>assuming he caught at least two blades out of the four on each side as he
>>settled in but the camera angle was quartering rear which hid everything
>>under the plane after the slide.
>>On the bounce pass, I was just assuming he had both fans up. Did he have
>>the
>>left engine zeroed? Wasn't the port side the side with the gear down?
>>Why would he zero the port engine?
>>It looked like the bounce pass was done above the blue line anyway, but I
>>sure wouldn't have tried that pass with the left engine down......of
>>course
>>it wasn't my call, but to me that would seem strange??????
>>Dudley
>>
>>"Big John" > wrote in message
...
>>> Dudley
>>>
>>> Did you notice he had at least the port engine shut down. Couldn't
>>> tell from camera angle but may not have gotten the prop(s).
>>> In ny event, Good job.
>>>
>>> Big John
>>> `````````````````````````````````````````````````` `````````````````````
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:05:08 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Chris W" > wrote in message
>>>>news:m95ff.11794$ih5.10682@dukeread11...
>>>>> Joe Feise wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, must be a slow news day when CNN covers a gear problem and belly
>>>>>>landing
>>>>>>of a King Air live...
>>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't just CNN, FOX and MSNBC were also covering it. Sure was a
>>>>> smooth landing. Seemed to hang a bit though, I guess ground effect is
>>>>> pretty huge when the wing is only a foot off the ground.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris W
>>>>> KE5GIX
>>>>
>>>>He was carrying extra speed to fly it onto the runway, which he did
>>>>perfectly.
>>>>The REAL smooth job of flying with this incident wasn't really the
>>>>landing,
>>>>but rather the earlier touch and go on the left main. He had to hold up
>>>>the
>>>>right wing as he tried to get a little bounce on the left main trying to
>>>>jar
>>>>the right side retaining latches loose. That's a mean trick, and takes a
>>>>good stick to pull it off without dropping the wing down far enough to
>>>>catch
>>>>the prop tips. It didn't work, but he got through the try without
>>>>dinging
>>>>it.
>>>>He did a good job all around I would say.
>>>>Dudley Henriques
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Dudley Henriques wrote:

> "Big John" > wrote in message
> ...

>>Bottom line is a dam good job and coolness under pressure. Touch down
>>attitude and air speed could not have been better.
>
> I agree. In watching the landing, I could tell he was flying it on rather
> than simply increasing the angle of attack into the touchdown. A real smooth
> job.
> I actually couldn't tell the instant he put it on the ground :-))

As someone posted earlier, the ground effect must be pretty intense when
the wing gets 6" off the runway.


>>On my health. It's been poorly. Age catches up with us all eventually
>>:o( Not a spring chicken anymore.
>
>
> I'm sorry to hear that John. I hope things get better for you. I've just had
> a 4 level lumbar laminectomy myself.
> I agree, it's no damn fun getting old is it? :-))))))))))))

True, but as my grandfather used to say ... it beats the alternative. :-)

Matt

It would have been even better if the guys in the Jeep were there to help
out :)


> > "Big John" > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> >>Bottom line is a dam good job and coolness under pressure. Touch down
> >>attitude and air speed could not have been better.
> >
> > I agree. In watching the landing, I could tell he was flying it on
rather
> > than simply increasing the angle of attack into the touchdown. A real
smooth
> > job.
> > I actually couldn't tell the instant he put it on the ground :-))
>

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:49:32 -0600, Big John >
wrote:

>Dudley
>
>Did you notice he had at least the port engine shut down. Couldn't
>tell from camera angle but may not have gotten the prop(s).
>In ny event, Good job.
>
>Big John
>`````````````````````````````````````````````````` `````````````````````

On the shot I saw, pilot/pilots definitely had both props fully
feathered prior to scrapage. They really really looked like
four-bladers, would pretty much had to drag a couple on each side.

Would guess that they killed the engines while feathering the props.
Looked like two crew to me. Have in the past secured engines prior to
landing with questionable gear when I had another crew member to share
the task with. Has never happened to me flying solo, but I doubt if I
would screw with it (trying to secure prior to touchdown).

TC

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote
>
>> I've just had
>> a 4 level lumbar laminectomy myself.
>> I agree, it's no damn fun getting old is it? :-))))))))))))
>
> Damn, been there, done that. Mine was about 7-8 years ago. Since then, I
> had to have it fused, after no improvement, and increased pain. I hope
> your
> operation takes.
>
> Fusing is much harder and more painful, if you can imagine that. Take
> care
> of this one, and exercise the hell out of it, ASAP. Keep flexible. Good
> luck!
> --
> Jim in NC

So far it looks good. I do have some residual pain but I'm just working
through it. I'm post op + 6 weeks at this point.
Walking several miles a week now. Getting better each day I think.
Dudley

("Dudley Henriques" wrote)
>> I've just had a 4 level lumbar laminectomy myself.
>> I agree, it's no damn fun getting old is it? :-))))))))))))


Missed this the first time around.

Hope you have a speedy recovery Dudley.


Montblack

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote

> I've just had
> a 4 level lumbar laminectomy myself.
> I agree, it's no damn fun getting old is it? :-))))))))))))

Damn, been there, done that. Mine was about 7-8 years ago. Since then, I
had to have it fused, after no improvement, and increased pain. I hope your
operation takes.

Fusing is much harder and more painful, if you can imagine that. Take care
of this one, and exercise the hell out of it, ASAP. Keep flexible. Good
luck!
--
Jim in NC

Thank you.
It's been a rough road, but I'm hanging in there :-)
Dudley


"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Dudley Henriques" wrote)
>>> I've just had a 4 level lumbar laminectomy myself.
>>> I agree, it's no damn fun getting old is it? :-))))))))))))
>
>
> Missed this the first time around.
>
> Hope you have a speedy recovery Dudley.
>
>
> Montblack
>

("Dudley Henriques" wrote)
> Thank you.
> It's been a rough road, but I'm hanging in there :-)


"... but I'm hanging in there."

http://www.bodytrends.com/products/inversion/
Do they have you in 'the boots,' or is that a no-no after a surgery like
yours?


Montblack

Dudley Henriques wrote:

> I've just had
> a 4 level lumbar laminectomy myself.

Bummer. Some years back, I was diagnosed with Spondiliosis. The X-rays didn't
look good, and the pain was pretty nasty. Fortunately, it responded to physical
therapy. So far, I do ok most days if I don't skip my exercises. I will continue
to avoid the operations as long as I can.

George Patterson
If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
radio.

I surely wish you the best of luck. Sometimes you can avoid the hard road.
DH

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:kUagf.8711$Lw6.6348@trndny02...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
>> I've just had a 4 level lumbar laminectomy myself.
>
> Bummer. Some years back, I was diagnosed with Spondiliosis. The X-rays
> didn't look good, and the pain was pretty nasty. Fortunately, it responded
> to physical therapy. So far, I do ok most days if I don't skip my
> exercises. I will continue to avoid the operations as long as I can.
>
> George Patterson
> If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
> radio.

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Dudley Henriques" wrote)
>> Thank you.
>> It's been a rough road, but I'm hanging in there :-)
>
>
> "... but I'm hanging in there."
>
> http://www.bodytrends.com/products/inversion/
> Do they have you in 'the boots,' or is that a no-no after a surgery like
> yours?

Nothing this drastic thank God...although inversion therapy might not be so
bad for a guy who spent half his life inverted in airplanes :-)
Dudley