I've flown with the Bose X in my pal's Navajo (he has two up front and
two Sennheisers in back) and love it. The thing weighs nothing and the
sound quality is fantastic (esp with the CD player piped in). My bitch
is they're twice as much as the next cheapest ANR headset and by now
I'd figured the price would have come down a tad. I assume Bose is
selling every headset they make so they're probably not too motivated
to sell them for less to a yutz like me. Is there any way to make my
DC13.4 any more comfy? Is that aftermarket ANR mod (can't recall the
make) worth the dough?

Wooly

Instead of spending a lot of money, why not do like I have for years
and wear some soft foam earplugs under the headset?

I had the HEADSETS INC ANR coversion done to my DC10-40's. I like them.

Roger @ MD43 C150E

Roger @ MD43 C150E
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I've flown with the Bose X in my pal's Navajo (he has two up front and
> two Sennheisers in back) and love it. The thing weighs nothing and the
> sound quality is fantastic (esp with the CD player piped in). My bitch
> is they're twice as much as the next cheapest ANR headset and by now
> I'd figured the price would have come down a tad. I assume Bose is
> selling every headset they make so they're probably not too motivated
> to sell them for less to a yutz like me. Is there any way to make my
> DC13.4 any more comfy? Is that aftermarket ANR mod (can't recall the
> make) worth the dough?
>
> Wooly
>

>>>Instead of spending a lot of money, why not do like I have for years
and wear some soft foam earplugs under the headset? <<<

Not a bad idea, but I'm more concerned about the comfort (i.e.
vise-like pressure on my head) after about an hour or so. The gel seals
help a bit but I understand typical passive noise reduction headsets
are all pretty much the same as far as clamping pressure(?)

In article . com>,
" > wrote:

> >>>Instead of spending a lot of money, why not do like I have for years
> and wear some soft foam earplugs under the headset? <<<
>
> Not a bad idea, but I'm more concerned about the comfort (i.e.
> vise-like pressure on my head) after about an hour or so. The gel seals
> help a bit but I understand typical passive noise reduction headsets
> are all pretty much the same as far as clamping pressure(?)

You should try Peltors. I wore a set for ten years and they were always
very comfortable. In fact, my Peltors are so comfortable (and do such a
good job of shutting out the noise) that I initially had some buyer's
regret after getting a Bose X. (But that went away yesterday when I
accidentally left my cell phone on and I could hear it ring in flight.
My Peltors can't do that! :-)

rg

> Not a bad idea, but I'm more concerned about the comfort (i.e.
> vise-like pressure on my head) after about an hour or so. The gel seals
> help a bit but I understand typical passive noise reduction headsets
> are all pretty much the same as far as clamping pressure(?)

It depends on how wide your head is.
A narrow head does not feel as much clamping as a wide head does.
DC 20-10's have an adjustable head band and ear cups to fit wider heads.

"Ron Garret" > wrote in message

>
> I accidentally left my cell phone on and I could hear it ring in flight.
> My Peltors can't do that! :-)

Hell, my cell phone can't do that. :)

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If you know someone who works for Bose (even the retail stores), they
can get them for $750.
Still too rich for my blood, but...

In . com> kingfish@
hotmail.com wrote:
> I've flown with the Bose X in my pal's Navajo (he has two up front and
> two Sennheisers in back) and love it. The thing weighs nothing and the
> sound quality is fantastic (esp with the CD player piped in). My bitch
> is they're twice as much as the next cheapest ANR headset and by now
> I'd figured the price would have come down a tad. I assume Bose is
> selling every headset they make so they're probably not too motivated
> to sell them for less to a yutz like me. Is there any way to make my
> DC13.4 any more comfy? Is that aftermarket ANR mod (can't recall the
> make) worth the dough?
>
> Wooly
>
>

Ron Garret wrote:
>>>>>Instead of spending a lot of money, why not do like I have for years
>>>>and wear some soft foam earplugs under the headset? <<<
>>
>>Not a bad idea, but I'm more concerned about the comfort (i.e.
>>vise-like pressure on my head) after about an hour or so. The gel seals
>>help a bit but I understand typical passive noise reduction headsets
>>are all pretty much the same as far as clamping pressure(?)
>
> You should try Peltors. I wore a set for ten years and they were always
> very comfortable. In fact, my Peltors are so comfortable (and do such a
> good job of shutting out the noise) that I initially had some buyer's
> regret after getting a Bose X. (But that went away yesterday when I
> accidentally left my cell phone on and I could hear it ring in flight.
> My Peltors can't do that! :-)
>
Well, I wore my Peltors for 6 or 7 years... I had buyers regret after
2-3 years. The ANR failed on 1, then both units. The cables wore thru
(seem to be high quality but who knows). Had them repaired and cables
replaced. They have worn thru again and the ANR has failed again. But
they were reasonably comfortable.

We bit the Bose bullet...

Good luck. I just retired my trashed Peltors for Bose. Haven't
exercised them but here's my reasoning; I've been trying to decide
between going the Lightspeed route or the Bose route.... and just bit
the Bose bullet. We spend relatively long periods of time in a somewhat
noisy, slow airplane. Short of a new aircraft, what upgrades will make
our travel more pleasurable?

As it became clear that our ANR Peltors were miserable in passive mode,
and the Garmin supplied XM Sat radio was a real joy even on IFR flights,
it dawned on me that our physical comfort was a real big deal. After
hearing all the raves about the Bose, we bit.

I thought the Peltor's were nicely engineered. The Bose looks much
nicer and they talk a good game.

We'll let you know how they perform.


wrote:
> I've flown with the Bose X in my pal's Navajo (he has two up front and
> two Sennheisers in back) and love it. The thing weighs nothing and the
> sound quality is fantastic (esp with the CD player piped in). My bitch
> is they're twice as much as the next cheapest ANR headset and by now
> I'd figured the price would have come down a tad. I assume Bose is
> selling every headset they make so they're probably not too motivated
> to sell them for less to a yutz like me. Is there any way to make my
> DC13.4 any more comfy? Is that aftermarket ANR mod (can't recall the
> make) worth the dough?
>
> Wooly
>

Can you provide any additional information on the "Garmin supplied XM Sat
radio".

Is this the GPSMAP 386, or from the GEL 69A, or some other unit?




"Maule Driver" > wrote in message
om...
> Good luck. I just retired my trashed Peltors for Bose. Haven't
> exercised them but here's my reasoning; I've been trying to decide
> between going the Lightspeed route or the Bose route.... and just bit
> the Bose bullet. We spend relatively long periods of time in a somewhat
> noisy, slow airplane. Short of a new aircraft, what upgrades will make
> our travel more pleasurable?
>
> As it became clear that our ANR Peltors were miserable in passive mode,
> and the Garmin supplied XM Sat radio was a real joy even on IFR flights,
> it dawned on me that our physical comfort was a real big deal. After
> hearing all the raves about the Bose, we bit.
>
> I thought the Peltor's were nicely engineered. The Bose looks much
> nicer and they talk a good game.
>
> We'll let you know how they perform.
>
>
> wrote:
> > I've flown with the Bose X in my pal's Navajo (he has two up front and
> > two Sennheisers in back) and love it. The thing weighs nothing and the
> > sound quality is fantastic (esp with the CD player piped in). My bitch
> > is they're twice as much as the next cheapest ANR headset and by now
> > I'd figured the price would have come down a tad. I assume Bose is
> > selling every headset they make so they're probably not too motivated
> > to sell them for less to a yutz like me. Is there any way to make my
> > DC13.4 any more comfy? Is that aftermarket ANR mod (can't recall the
> > make) worth the dough?
> >
> > Wooly
> >

Sorry, clicked too fast, should be GDL 69A...



"Lakeview Bill" > wrote in message
m...
> Can you provide any additional information on the "Garmin supplied XM Sat
> radio".
>
> Is this the GPSMAP 386, or from the GEL 69A, or some other unit?
>
>
>
>
> "Maule Driver" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Good luck. I just retired my trashed Peltors for Bose. Haven't
> > exercised them but here's my reasoning; I've been trying to decide
> > between going the Lightspeed route or the Bose route.... and just bit
> > the Bose bullet. We spend relatively long periods of time in a somewhat
> > noisy, slow airplane. Short of a new aircraft, what upgrades will make
> > our travel more pleasurable?
> >
> > As it became clear that our ANR Peltors were miserable in passive mode,
> > and the Garmin supplied XM Sat radio was a real joy even on IFR flights,
> > it dawned on me that our physical comfort was a real big deal. After
> > hearing all the raves about the Bose, we bit.
> >
> > I thought the Peltor's were nicely engineered. The Bose looks much
> > nicer and they talk a good game.
> >
> > We'll let you know how they perform.
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > > I've flown with the Bose X in my pal's Navajo (he has two up front and
> > > two Sennheisers in back) and love it. The thing weighs nothing and the
> > > sound quality is fantastic (esp with the CD player piped in). My bitch
> > > is they're twice as much as the next cheapest ANR headset and by now
> > > I'd figured the price would have come down a tad. I assume Bose is
> > > selling every headset they make so they're probably not too motivated
> > > to sell them for less to a yutz like me. Is there any way to make my
> > > DC13.4 any more comfy? Is that aftermarket ANR mod (can't recall the
> > > make) worth the dough?
> > >
> > > Wooly
> > >
>
>

In article >,
Maule Driver > wrote:

> Ron Garret wrote:
> >>>>>Instead of spending a lot of money, why not do like I have for years
> >>>>and wear some soft foam earplugs under the headset? <<<
> >>
> >>Not a bad idea, but I'm more concerned about the comfort (i.e.
> >>vise-like pressure on my head) after about an hour or so. The gel seals
> >>help a bit but I understand typical passive noise reduction headsets
> >>are all pretty much the same as far as clamping pressure(?)
> >
> > You should try Peltors. I wore a set for ten years and they were always
> > very comfortable. In fact, my Peltors are so comfortable (and do such a
> > good job of shutting out the noise) that I initially had some buyer's
> > regret after getting a Bose X. (But that went away yesterday when I
> > accidentally left my cell phone on and I could hear it ring in flight.
> > My Peltors can't do that! :-)
> >
> Well, I wore my Peltors for 6 or 7 years... I had buyers regret after
> 2-3 years. The ANR failed on 1, then both units. The cables wore thru
> (seem to be high quality but who knows). Had them repaired and cables
> replaced. They have worn thru again and the ANR has failed again. But
> they were reasonably comfortable.
>
> We bit the Bose bullet...

I should clarify that my Peltors were non-ANR. There seems to be
general agreement that the ANR peltors suck.

rg

Maule Driver wrote:
>
> As it became clear that our ANR Peltors were miserable in passive
> mode...
>
> We'll let you know how they perform.

Be sure to include an opinion on the passive performance of the Bose.

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John T > wrote:

> Be sure to include an opinion on the passive performance of the Bose.

In my experience of about 500 hours with the Bose, the passive performance
of the headset is just barely marginal, and certainly not ear protection
with which I would want to fly for any length of time. Fortunately, the
less-than-stellar passive performance serves as an excellent reminder to a)
turn on the ANR immediately at engine start-up, and b) always carry at
reachable length several extra AA batteries.

--
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> In my experience of about 500 hours with the Bose, the passive performance
> of the headset is just barely marginal, and certainly not ear protection
> with which I would want to fly for any length of time. Fortunately, the
> less-than-stellar passive performance serves as an excellent reminder to a)
> turn on the ANR immediately at engine start-up, and b) always carry at
> reachable length several extra AA batteries.

In my experience with the David Clark HS10-13X ANR headset, the passive
noise reduction is excellent, and more than once I have forgotten to
turn on the ANR, and didn't notice until halfway through the flight.
(and turning the ANR on made another big difference)

Jose
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John T wrote:

> Maule Driver wrote:
>
>>As it became clear that our ANR Peltors were miserable in passive
>>mode...
>>
>>We'll let you know how they perform.
>
>
> Be sure to include an opinion on the passive performance of the Bose.

Why? I have had ANR headsets for 5+ years now. Never used them with
the ANR off.

Jose > wrote:

> In my experience with the David Clark HS10-13X ANR headset, the passive
> noise reduction is excellent, and more than once I have forgotten to
> turn on the ANR, and didn't notice until halfway through the flight.
> (and turning the ANR on made another big difference)

Aren't DC's known for their passive noise reduction?

In any event, I agree with Newps: The only time you will fly without the
Bose ANR activated is when you fail to have a replacement set of batteries
nearby. Otherwise you will always use ANR.

--
Peter

> Aren't DC's known for their passive noise reduction?

That, and their sturdy construction. It's why I got them.

Jose
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Don't forget about the TELEX Stratus 50D ANR headset.

The GPSMAP 396. With the Sat weather (worth it's weight in gold to this
southeast US pilot) you can get XM radio for an extra $6.99/month.
Commercial free music or talk. My Garmin audio panel has the auto mute
function which really makes listening to radio while flying CC a natural
act - IFR or VFR flight following.

Lakeview Bill wrote:
> Can you provide any additional information on the "Garmin supplied XM Sat
> radio".
>
> Is this the GPSMAP 386, or from the GEL 69A, or some other unit?
>

John T wrote:
> Maule Driver wrote:
>
>>As it became clear that our ANR Peltors were miserable in passive
>>mode...
>>
>>We'll let you know how they perform.
>
> Be sure to include an opinion on the passive performance of the Bose.
>
No thanks. I expect them to only be used in active mode.

What really trashed my Peltors is that the ANR has failed twice. The
second repair bill was going to be $600 total for both sets.

What I may not realize is that the ANR feature is prone to failure.
Perhaps the Bose will fail within a few years too. The 5 year warranty
helps.

Interestingly, the 2 DCs I got for 'free' from the seller of my Maule
still provide the best passive performance - though I think they've been
upgraded with soft sealing rings. But 2 hours in, they are heavy and
they do clamp firmly.

On 2005-11-29, Maule Driver > wrote:
> Interestingly, the 2 DCs I got for 'free' from the seller of my Maule
> still provide the best passive performance - though I think they've been
> upgraded with soft sealing rings. But 2 hours in, they are heavy and
> they do clamp firmly.

Perhaps I have a David Clark shaped head, but I've never found DCs
particularly clampy. I've flown 6 hour legs with them. They came with
the gel seals - I've borrowed headsets with the foam seals and I dunno
how anyone puts up with the foam ones!

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If you don't want "clampy" headsets try the Bose QC2 with the UFlyMike
adapter. The most comfortable headset I've ever worn. Not as quiet as
the Bose X, but more comfortable and certainly less $$$