There was a thread recently where this was briefly discussed, though I
can't seem to quite find it now.

On AOPA's web site, they talk a bit about how the feds do try to levy
stiff penalties on people whom intentionally misrepresents facts on the
medical, if they're caught.

(And they indicate that simple oversights can usually be cleared up with
some additional work and talking with people before it snowballs.)

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/051229medical.html

Apparently, they (los federales) generally save revocation for
intentional falsification if found in aftermath of an accident or
incident, and suspension if less serious.

I certainly understand why pilots generally feel they don't volunteer
anything not explicitly asked for -- reasonable enough, given how things
works in the real world. Just make sure one doesn't misrepresent any
materially important fact, I guess.

-Dan

Actually, the most recent crack down was mostly a result of cross
referencing people on social security disability with class 1 and 2
medicals.

-Robert

Dan Foster > wrote:

> I certainly understand why pilots generally feel they don't volunteer
> anything not explicitly asked for -- reasonable enough, given how things
> works in the real world. Just make sure one doesn't misrepresent any
> materially important fact, I guess.

I continue to put down on my medical applications that my hair color is
"brown". Some day, the feds are going to catch up with me and then I'm
done for.

>I continue to put down on my medical applications that my hair color is
>"brown". Some day, the feds are going to catch up with me and then I'm
>done for.

Is N/A an apropriate response to this question?

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
> I continue to put down on my medical applications that my hair color is
> "brown". Some day, the feds are going to catch up with me and then I'm
> done for.

Damn, I thought that was just a check box field...

"Dan Foster" wrote in message
...
> I certainly understand why pilots generally feel they don't volunteer
> anything not explicitly asked for -- reasonable enough, given how things
> works in the real world. Just make sure one doesn't misrepresent any
> materially important fact, I guess.

At the very least, you should avoid giving your doctor your SSN...

Roy Smith wrote:
> Dan Foster > wrote:
>
>
>>I certainly understand why pilots generally feel they don't volunteer
>>anything not explicitly asked for -- reasonable enough, given how things
>>works in the real world. Just make sure one doesn't misrepresent any
>>materially important fact, I guess.
>
>
> I continue to put down on my medical applications that my hair color is
> "brown". Some day, the feds are going to catch up with me and then I'm
> done for.
A few years ago I filled out the application and put down "White" for
hair color for the first time. The secretary giggled as she was typing
up the form and said, "That's the first time I've seen a pilot actually
admit his true color."

Remember, they only want your hair and eye color to aid in identifying
the body if the worst happens.

Stubby wrote:
> Remember, they only want your hair and eye color to aid in identifying
> the body if the worst happens.


That's why I wear dogtags when I fly.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
> Stubby wrote:
>
>>Remember, they only want your hair and eye color to aid in identifying
>>the body if the worst happens.
>
> That's why I wear dogtags when I fly.

I believe USAF records a foot print. It's like a finger print but more
likely to survive a crash in tact.

DNA



"Stubby" > wrote in
message ...
| Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
| > Stubby wrote:
| >
| >>Remember, they only want your hair and eye color to aid
in identifying
| >>the body if the worst happens.
| >
| > That's why I wear dogtags when I fly.
|
| I believe USAF records a foot print. It's like a finger
print but more
| likely to survive a crash in tact.

Jim Macklin wrote:
> DNA
>
>
>
> "Stubby" > wrote in
> message ...
> | Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
> | > Stubby wrote:
> | >
> | >>Remember, they only want your hair and eye color to aid
> in identifying
> | >>the body if the worst happens.
> | >
> | > That's why I wear dogtags when I fly.
> |
> | I believe USAF records a foot print. It's like a finger
> print but more
> | likely to survive a crash in tact.
>
>
DNA is certainly the best for IDing an individual. But I am concerned
about the ramifications of having my ID in a database for anybody to see
and use. Right now a court order is required to make my DNA available
and there are standards for obtaining such an order. I like that.

Note that our DNA is everywhere -- on stamps, eating utensils, in
toilets, condoms, towels, sweaty clothes, etc. It's quite easy to
plant our DNA somewhere such as a crime scene. But we (society) must
make it hard for a bad guy to verify that the sample he has is mine. If
all he has to do is go online and check a database (say of pilots' DNA)
it is too easy.

Years ago I was in a cab going to Midway in Chicago when we
drove past an intersection that had hundreds of empty shell
casings scattered about. Made me think...
If I was a criminal, I'd get hair from the floor of a barber
shop and rack up empty cartridge case at a shooting range
and then scatter this all over the crime scene, of course
I'd use a revolver and a bolt action rifle with a shell
catcher so that evidence would not be left. And I'd use
sub-caliber ammo with a sabot so the bullets could not be
identified by rifling.

But then, I'm not a crook [an not related to RMN] so it is
only a passing thought. Consider, they are using DNA for
Viet Nam grave identification my comparing the DNA from
currently living people with the DNA recovered from bones.
There are lots of blood test samples, did not ever donate to
the Red Cross?


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"Stubby" > wrote in
message ...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > DNA
| >
| >
| >
| > "Stubby" > wrote
in
| > message ...
| > | Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
| > | > Stubby wrote:
| > | >
| > | >>Remember, they only want your hair and eye color to
aid
| > in identifying
| > | >>the body if the worst happens.
| > | >
| > | > That's why I wear dogtags when I fly.
| > |
| > | I believe USAF records a foot print. It's like a
finger
| > print but more
| > | likely to survive a crash in tact.
| >
| >
| DNA is certainly the best for IDing an individual. But I
am concerned
| about the ramifications of having my ID in a database for
anybody to see
| and use. Right now a court order is required to make my
DNA available
| and there are standards for obtaining such an order. I
like that.
|
| Note that our DNA is everywhere -- on stamps, eating
utensils, in
| toilets, condoms, towels, sweaty clothes, etc. It's
quite easy to
| plant our DNA somewhere such as a crime scene. But we
(society) must
| make it hard for a bad guy to verify that the sample he
has is mine. If
| all he has to do is go online and check a database (say of
pilots' DNA)
| it is too easy.

I think they can tell that it was cut, as opposed to falling out, ripped
out, etc....

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:SFXuf.40454$QW2.3587@dukeread08...
> If I was a criminal, I'd get hair from the floor of a barber
> shop and rack up empty cartridge case at a shooting range

"newsgroups.comcast.net" > wrote in message
...
>I think they can tell that it was cut, as opposed to falling out, ripped
> out, etc....

In addition, cut hair does not include the part that actually has the DNA
(though, of course, even at a hair salon some of the hair lying on the floor
might, if the hair fell out naturally).

"Stubby" wrote in message ...
> Remember, they only want your hair and eye color to aid in identifying
> the body if the worst happens

So, we should just fill it in with "charred" instead?

"Stubby" wrote in message ...
> I believe USAF records a foot print. It's like a finger print but more
> likely to survive a crash in tact.

Yep, leave it to the Zoomies to think that their feet had tact... I was a
Sailor, we had no tact anywhere, much less our feet...

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:15:39 -0500, Stubby
> wrote:

>A few years ago I filled out the application and put down "White" for
>hair color for the first time. The secretary giggled as she was typing
>up the form and said, "That's the first time I've seen a pilot actually
>admit his true color."

Huh! I was instructed to put down Brown because I shouldn't attract
attention by changing it. (I was planning to write Bald.)


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