I vote for Iowa City!

This just in:

"'Kiplinger's Personal Finance' ranked Iowa City 10th in its top 50
'Smart Places to Live' list. The rankings are based on cost of living,
homes, crime, health care, climate, environment and education."

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I vote for Iowa City!
>
> This just in:
>
> "'Kiplinger's Personal Finance' ranked Iowa City 10th in its top 50
> 'Smart Places to Live' list. The rankings are based on cost of living,
> homes, crime, health care, climate, environment and education."


.............................and extremely reasonable hotel room rates!

:-)

Dudley Henriques

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> "'Kiplinger's Personal Finance' ranked Iowa City 10th in its top 50 'Smart
> Places to Live' list. The rankings are based on cost of living, homes,
> crime, health care, climate, environment and education."


# 2 (Twin Cities) St Paul / Minneapolis ..and Blaine, Minnesota
<http://www.kiplinger.com/personalfinance/features/archives/2006/05/minneapolis.html>


Montblack
#1 Nashville, TN
"a mild climate"

Bite me!! <g>

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

>I vote for Iowa City!

Damned winters are too cold and too long.

Not too many hurricanes, though.

Didn't you have a little breeze a couple of weeks ago?

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Hi Jay,

Sorry, Boise is better... better weather and more open spaces...

Just please don't move here. We have too many coming here already!

Dean

In article . com>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> I vote for Iowa City!
>
> This just in:
>
> "'Kiplinger's Personal Finance' ranked Iowa City 10th in its top 50
> 'Smart Places to Live' list. The rankings are based on cost of living,
> homes, crime, health care, climate, environment and education."
>
> :-)

One word: Tornado.

:-)

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

On 9 May 2006 14:07:30 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> I vote for Iowa City!
>
> This just in:
>
> "'Kiplinger's Personal Finance' ranked Iowa City 10th in its top 50
> 'Smart Places to Live' list. The rankings are based on cost of living,
> homes, crime, health care, climate, environment and education."

Must be some Yankee publication... Hell, you can't even get bearable
BBQ in the entire state of Iowa, much less Iowa City...

On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:21:46 -0400, Bob Noel
> wrote:
> One word: Tornado.

Second, third, and fourth words: Newly Mobile Home...

In article >,
Grumman-581 > wrote:

> On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:21:46 -0400, Bob Noel
> > wrote:
> > One word: Tornado.
>
> Second, third, and fourth words: Newly Mobile Home...

Do NOT do that! It still hurts when I laugh!

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lawyers will hate

Compared to the scenery in place that have ocean, mountains, lakes,
sand dunes, wild rivers, skiing, deserts to rainforests, AND all the
stuff Iowa City has??? Well, I'm glad you like it. It does have midwest
charm. I'd tell you where the best is, but then I'd have to kill
you......better if you don't know.

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message oups.com...
>I vote for Iowa City!
>
> This just in:
>
> "'Kiplinger's Personal Finance' ranked Iowa City 10th in its top 50
> 'Smart Places to Live' list. The rankings are based on cost of living,
> homes, crime, health care, climate, environment and education."
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>


Kalamazoo, MI

What does a redneck divorce and a tornado have in common??
???
....either way, someone loses a trailer!

....sorry, but there *must* be someone out there who hasn't heard that one
:-)

Tony P.


"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:21:46 -0400, Bob Noel
> > wrote:
>> One word: Tornado.
>
> Second, third, and fourth words: Newly Mobile Home...

> Must be some Yankee publication... Hell, you can't even get bearable
> BBQ in the entire state of Iowa, much less Iowa City...

Where do you think the hogs for that BBQ comes from?

In article <vdb8g.229$Lh.54@trnddc01>, "muff528" > wrote:

> What does a redneck divorce and a tornado have in common??
> ???
> ...either way, someone loses a trailer!
>
> ...sorry, but there *must* be someone out there who hasn't heard that one
> :-)

count me as one.

--
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On Wed, 10 May 2006 01:22:09 GMT, john smith > wrote:
> Where do you think the hogs for that BBQ comes from?

Sorry, but BBQ is beef... Beef brisket to be precise... Iowa might
know corn, but they sure as 'ell don't know BBQ...

"Grumman-581" > wrote
>
> Sorry, but BBQ is beef...

You say that above a whisper anywhere near NC and you'd best be locked and
loaded! :-)

On Tue, 9 May 2006 22:16:08 -0400, "John Gaquin"
> wrote:
> You say that above a whisper anywhere near NC and you'd best be locked and
> loaded! :-)

I'm from Texas, I'm *always* locked and loaded...

Hell, NC doesn't know BBQ either... In my extensive travels across the
US, I've come to the determination that it is impossible to get *real*
BBQ outside of Texas... Now, some of the area have somewhat tasty
endeavors that the *call* BBQ, but it's not truly BBQ... Believe it or
not, some places even have *mustard* based BBQ sauces... It's not a
north vs south thing either -- Florida doesn't have *real* BBQ
either... They think pork is BBQ... Hell, I went to this one
restaurant south of Miami and their version of BBQ was to cook the
meat in an electric oven and then throw BBQ sauce over it before
serving it... Pure sacrilege...

> Hell, NC doesn't know BBQ either... In my extensive travels across the
> US, I've come to the determination that it is impossible to get *real*
> BBQ outside of Texas...

Barbecued beef ribs ain't bad, but I have yet to find a better barbecue
than a pulled pork barbecue sandwich. No muss, no fuss, and, MAN,
that's eating...

(It must be, cuz it's really, REALLY unhealthy! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Oklahoma?

On Wed, 10 May 2006 01:22:09 GMT, john smith > wrote:

>> Must be some Yankee publication... Hell, you can't even get bearable
>> BBQ in the entire state of Iowa, much less Iowa City...
>
>Where do you think the hogs for that BBQ comes from?

GeorgeC

BBQ is made from cows? When did they start that? Must be Yankee propaganda.

On Wed, 10 May 2006 02:00:00 GMT, Grumman-581
> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 May 2006 01:22:09 GMT, john smith > wrote:
>> Where do you think the hogs for that BBQ comes from?
>
>Sorry, but BBQ is beef... Beef brisket to be precise... Iowa might
>know corn, but they sure as 'ell don't know BBQ...

GeorgeC

Florida may be south of the Mason Dixon Line, but it is not part of the
South!!
You can tell by, among other things, the corn bread.

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 9 May 2006 22:16:08 -0400, "John Gaquin"
> > wrote:
>> You say that above a whisper anywhere near NC and you'd best be locked
>> and
>> loaded! :-)
>
> I'm from Texas, I'm *always* locked and loaded...
>
> Hell, NC doesn't know BBQ either... In my extensive travels across the
> US, I've come to the determination that it is impossible to get *real*
> BBQ outside of Texas... Now, some of the area have somewhat tasty
> endeavors that the *call* BBQ, but it's not truly BBQ... Believe it or
> not, some places even have *mustard* based BBQ sauces... It's not a
> north vs south thing either -- Florida doesn't have *real* BBQ
> either... They think pork is BBQ... Hell, I went to this one
> restaurant south of Miami and their version of BBQ was to cook the
> meat in an electric oven and then throw BBQ sauce over it before
> serving it... Pure sacrilege...

On Wed, 10 May 2006 04:33:10 GMT, "soxinbox" > wrote:
> Florida may be south of the Mason Dixon Line, but it is not part of the
> South!!
> You can tell by, among other things, the corn bread.

Hmmm... I don't think that I've ever had corn bread while in
Florida... How do they do it over there?

"GeorgeC" > wrote in message
...
> BBQ is made from cows? When did they start that? Must be Yankee
> propaganda.

Lotta Yankees in Texas?

That said, anyone who insists "barbecue is this" or "barbecue is that" is
either a) trying to sell cows (or pigs), or b) has an inferiority complex
large enough to fill the state of Texas. In many cases, both apply.

Technically, "barbecue" is simply a way to cook ANY kind of meat. Sometimes
it involves sauce, sometimes it doesn't. The key is the long, slow cooking
process.

Gastronomically, "barbecue" is a word that describes an incredibly diverse
and wonderful world of food. A person who fails to appreciate more than one
kind of barbecue is a narrow-minded pin-head who doesn't deserve to eat
*anything* with more taste than a slice of Wonder Bread.

So there.

Pete

In article >,
says...

>
>Montblack
>#1 Nashville, TN
>"a mild climate"
>
>Bite me!! <g>
>

Because you prefer the climate in the Twin Cities?
When I was there it was my understanding that corporations like Control Data
and 3M were having a hard time maintaining their HQ there, because top
engineers and execs didn't want any part of -40 degree winters. ;-)

Seriously, it's long been a contender on the various "best places" lists,
considered to have a higher than average cultural appeal for its size, but I
thought it had lost some ground in recent years, and was not making the "top
ten" lists any more. Guess I'm proven wrong.

High points on the Twin Cities list : the Minnesota Orchestra, much higher
standing than a city of that size would normally boast, and (at least some
years ago - may have changed now) the ultra high-end supermarkets, Byerly's and
Lunds!! Don't find that on the East coast!

GF

Doug wrote:
> Compared to the scenery in place that have ocean, mountains, lakes,
> sand dunes, wild rivers, skiing, deserts to rainforests, AND all the
> stuff Iowa City has??? Well, I'm glad you like it. It does have midwest
> charm. I'd tell you where the best is, but then I'd have to kill
> you......better if you don't know.

And if you did spill the beans, the rest of us who live there would
have to button you up real good.

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I vote for Iowa City!
>
> This just in:
>
> "'Kiplinger's Personal Finance' ranked Iowa City 10th in its top 50
> 'Smart Places to Live' list. The rankings are based on cost of living,
> homes, crime, health care, climate, environment and education."
>

Is Iowa still an overwhelming white state, or is it finally starting to look
like the rest of us? If so, what new industries are providing the jobs for
all the newcomers? After all, it really can't take to many people to grow
corn.

In article >,
says...
>
>
>Florida may be south of the Mason Dixon Line, but it is not part of the
>South!!
>You can tell by, among other things, the corn bread.
>


News Flash - Bird flu hits Florida :
http://rainbowfish.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/birdflu.jpg

On 2006-05-10, Doug > wrote:
> Compared to the scenery in place that have ocean, mountains, lakes,
> sand dunes, wild rivers, skiing, deserts to rainforests...

When I was a small child of around 6 years old, I used to look through
the atlas. I used to look in wonder at the United States, and try to
figure out how people living in places like Iowa could bear living so
many miles from the sea.

I've never lived more than about 70 miles from open salt water. I don't
think I would want to, either! (Where I live now, it's impossible to be
more than about 7.5 miles from open water).

It does have its drawbacks though. We get quite a few IFR days and
soaring in the glider is often a challenge!

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"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "GeorgeC" > wrote in message
> ...
>> BBQ is made from cows? When did they start that? Must be Yankee
>> propaganda.
>
> Lotta Yankees in Texas?
>
> That said, anyone who insists "barbecue is this" or "barbecue is that" is
> either a) trying to sell cows (or pigs), or b) has an inferiority complex
> large enough to fill the state of Texas. In many cases, both apply.
>
> Technically, "barbecue" is simply a way to cook ANY kind of meat.
> Sometimes it involves sauce, sometimes it doesn't. The key is the long,
> slow cooking process.
>
> Gastronomically, "barbecue" is a word that describes an incredibly diverse
> and wonderful world of food. A person who fails to appreciate more than
> one kind of barbecue is a narrow-minded pin-head who doesn't deserve to
> eat *anything* with more taste than a slice of Wonder Bread.
>
> So there.
>


Being a life long Texan, I agree. While I don't normally enjoy ribs, I do
love beef *and* pork BBQ. Just as long as the potato salad isn't the mustard
style...




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We just had a couple of tornados last night close to us.

Ross
KSWI (Sherman (TX) Municipal Airport) North of Dallas. (How's this for
identifing?)

Bob Noel wrote:

> In article . com>,
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
>
>>I vote for Iowa City!
>>
>>This just in:
>>
>>"'Kiplinger's Personal Finance' ranked Iowa City 10th in its top 50
>>'Smart Places to Live' list. The rankings are based on cost of living,
>>homes, crime, health care, climate, environment and education."
>>
>>:-)
>
>
> One word: Tornado.
>
> :-)
>

OK here, I have lived in North Texas for 30 years, yet I believe the
best BBQ to be in Kansas City, MO. I live there for 5 years and found
some outstanding BBQ places. One was about 30 miles south of the city
and if you were not in line when the opened in the evening it could be a
40 minute wait. There are others.

Ross
KSWI

Grumman-581 wrote:

> On Tue, 9 May 2006 22:16:08 -0400, "John Gaquin"
> > wrote:
>
>>You say that above a whisper anywhere near NC and you'd best be locked and
>>loaded! :-)
>
>
> I'm from Texas, I'm *always* locked and loaded...
>
> Hell, NC doesn't know BBQ either... In my extensive travels across the
> US, I've come to the determination that it is impossible to get *real*
> BBQ outside of Texas... Now, some of the area have somewhat tasty
> endeavors that the *call* BBQ, but it's not truly BBQ... Believe it or
> not, some places even have *mustard* based BBQ sauces... It's not a
> north vs south thing either -- Florida doesn't have *real* BBQ
> either... They think pork is BBQ... Hell, I went to this one
> restaurant south of Miami and their version of BBQ was to cook the
> meat in an electric oven and then throw BBQ sauce over it before
> serving it... Pure sacrilege...

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I vote for Iowa City!
>
> This just in:
>
> "'Kiplinger's Personal Finance' ranked Iowa City 10th in its top 50
> 'Smart Places to Live' list. The rankings are based on cost of living,
> homes, crime, health care, climate, environment and education."

Primarily "Affordable Homes".

Albuquerque? Health Care, crime, environment, education...?

I'd stack Montrose up against ANY in that list. I notice many in that 'Top
50' are downright _armpits_! :~(


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 9 May 2006 22:16:08 -0400, "John Gaquin"
> > wrote:
>> You say that above a whisper anywhere near NC and you'd best be locked
>> and
>> loaded! :-)
>
> I'm from Texas, I'm *always* locked and loaded...
>
> Hell, NC doesn't know BBQ either... In my extensive travels across the
> US, I've come to the determination that it is impossible to get *real*
> BBQ outside of Texas... Now, some of the area have somewhat tasty
> endeavors that the *call* BBQ, but it's not truly BBQ... Believe it or
> not, some places even have *mustard* based BBQ sauces... It's not a
> north vs south thing either -- Florida doesn't have *real* BBQ
> either... They think pork is BBQ... Hell, I went to this one
> restaurant south of Miami and their version of BBQ was to cook the
> meat in an electric oven and then throw BBQ sauce over it before
> serving it... Pure sacrilege...

Hopefully, although "locked and loaded", you showed restraint.

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 01:22:09 GMT, john smith > wrote:
>> Where do you think the hogs for that BBQ comes from?
>
> Sorry, but BBQ is beef... Beef brisket to be precise... Iowa might
> know corn, but they sure as 'ell don't know BBQ...

They don't know chili, either.

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 04:33:10 GMT, "soxinbox" > wrote:
>> Florida may be south of the Mason Dixon Line, but it is not part of the
>> South!!
>> You can tell by, among other things, the corn bread.
>
> Hmmm... I don't think that I've ever had corn bread while in
> Florida... How do they do it over there?

Prob'ly using "Green Giant Niblets"...

> One word: Tornado.

Tornados are like meteors. They hit so sporadically, and in such
widely scattered areas, that -- after a life time of warnings -- one
doesn't get too worried.

Example: The sirens went off again last night while we were all
watching the movie, during a thunderstorm. A couple of people from out
of town were mildly concerned (understandable, after our recent
experience) but the rest of us "veterans" simply went back to watching
"Memphis Belle"...

Not unlike the reaction of the Californians I was with during my first
earthquake experience...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Ross Richardson" > wrote in message
...
> We just had a couple of tornados last night close to us.
>
> Ross
> KSWI (Sherman (TX) Municipal Airport) North of Dallas. (How's this for
> identifing?)
>

<snip>


Everything ok there? It was a little closer to Denison wasn't it? I noticed
that channel 5 was showing the weather for about 45 mins before I shut the
tv off to go to sleep. They never did show any video though...




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"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Grumman-581" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 10 May 2006 01:22:09 GMT, john smith > wrote:
>>> Where do you think the hogs for that BBQ comes from?
>>
>> Sorry, but BBQ is beef... Beef brisket to be precise... Iowa might
>> know corn, but they sure as 'ell don't know BBQ...
>
> They don't know chili, either.


Oh... here we go...




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> When I was a small child of around 6 years old, I used to look through
> the atlas. I used to look in wonder at the United States, and try to
> figure out how people living in places like Iowa could bear living so
> many miles from the sea.

Interesting.

I lived on the shores of Lake Michigan, the "fresh water ocean", all of
my life. The Great Lakes shaped my life, and my experiences, in many
ways, some obvious, some quite subtle. I never thought I'd leave her
shores.

Yet, after 9 years in Iowa, I can honestly say that life AWAY from the
water is better. No more damp weather. No more "lake-effect"
snowstorms that buried us under several feet of snow. No more "cooler
near the lake" forecasts, which could suddenly turn pool parties and
cookouts into frigid affairs -- even in July.

Best of all -- I can fly, ride, and drive EAST now, unimpeded. Living
on the Western shore of a large body of water truly limited our
mobility in ways that we never appreciated, until we moved away from
it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck > wrote:

> Example: The sirens went off again last night while we were all
> watching the movie, during a thunderstorm. A couple of people from out
> of town were mildly concerned (understandable, after our recent
> experience) but the rest of us "veterans" simply went back to watching
> "Memphis Belle"...

Sort of defeats the purpose of the warning sirens, this New Englander is
thinking.

--
Peter

I agree. It's impossible to get good Beef Brisket BBQ outside of Texas,
hell, the only reason people think it's good in Texas is because they've
been told that when you're in Texas brisket BBQ is the best. That doesn't
make it good.

I've had the luxury of having a freezer full of farm raised beef all of my
life. I've ate beef BBQ in many states, including Texas, and my conclusion
is that I wouldn't give you 10 cents a pound for all the beef brisket in
Texas or the rest of North America. It's just one of the poorest cuts of
meat that the poorest cooks in the world all try to claim is something
great. It's best ground into hamburger. All the wind and hot air about
what BBQ is and isn't is just that.... wind.
Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> > Hell, NC doesn't know BBQ either... In my extensive travels across the
> > US, I've come to the determination that it is impossible to get *real*
> > BBQ outside of Texas...
>
> Barbecued beef ribs ain't bad, but I have yet to find a better barbecue
> than a pulled pork barbecue sandwich. No muss, no fuss, and, MAN,
> that's eating...
>
> (It must be, cuz it's really, REALLY unhealthy! :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

On 2006-05-10, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> When I was a small child of around 6 years old, I used to look through
>> the atlas. I used to look in wonder at the United States, and try to
>> figure out how people living in places like Iowa could bear living so
>> many miles from the sea.
>
> Interesting.
<snip>
> Yet, after 9 years in Iowa, I can honestly say that life AWAY from the
> water is better. No more damp weather. No more "lake-effect"
> snowstorms that buried us under several feet of snow. No more "cooler
> near the lake" forecasts, which could suddenly turn pool parties and
> cookouts into frigid affairs -- even in July.

The Great Lakes are a bit different though: thanks to the relatively
warm (especially for our latitude) waters, despite being further north
than the entire lower 48 states, we can grow many species of palm here
- I just planted some Washingtonia filifera (i.e. California fan palm)
in my back garden (it won't grow as tall as it does in California
though). It seldom freezes here, and if it snows, it melts within about 2
hours. The summers are mild - rarely getting higher than the mid 70s
which is an extremely pleasant temperature, I think.

Being in the north Atlantic (in particular, the Gulf Stream) is not the
same as living near the Great Lakes. Personally, I also need humidity -
my lips dry out horribly if I spend more than 4 or 5 days in the dryer
parts of the US - I *vastly* prefer the humid heat that feels like a wet
towel that you find in Houston (where I spent 6 years) to the 'but it's
a dry heat!' you get out west.

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The storms were closer to Denison, but the tornadoes were in Anna, TX
and Atoka, OK. Our local Channel 10 (Denison) had continuous coverage.

C. Massey wrote:

> "Ross Richardson" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>We just had a couple of tornados last night close to us.
>>
>>Ross
>>KSWI (Sherman (TX) Municipal Airport) North of Dallas. (How's this for
>>identifing?)
>>
>
>
> <snip>
>
>
> Everything ok there? It was a little closer to Denison wasn't it? I noticed
> that channel 5 was showing the weather for about 45 mins before I shut the
> tv off to go to sleep. They never did show any video though...
>
>
>
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"Ross Richardson" > wrote in message
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> The storms were closer to Denison, but the tornadoes were in Anna, TX and
> Atoka, OK. Our local Channel 10 (Denison) had continuous coverage.
>



Well, glad to hear that y'all are ok...

Thinking about it, I guess that you are probably just out of channel 5's
viewing range, so that didn't do you any good. I'm in Ft. Worth.


Chuck







> C. Massey wrote:
>
>> "Ross Richardson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>We just had a couple of tornados last night close to us.
>>>
>>>Ross
>>>KSWI (Sherman (TX) Municipal Airport) North of Dallas. (How's this for
>>>identifing?)
>>>
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>> Everything ok there? It was a little closer to Denison wasn't it? I
>> noticed that channel 5 was showing the weather for about 45 mins before I
>> shut the tv off to go to sleep. They never did show any video though...





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Since this thread has been discussing BBQ and not airplanes, let me take
it a little more OT. My daughter just happened to send this to me. So
here goes.

Ross
KSWI

BARBEQUE SEASON

After four long months of cold and winter, we are finally coming up to
summer and BBQ season. Therefore it is important to refresh your memory
on the etiquette of this sublime outdoor cooking, as it's the only type
of cooking a real man will do, probably because there is some of danger
involved.

When a man volunteers to do the BBQ, the following chain of events are
put into motion:

1) The woman buys the food.
2) The woman makes the salad, prepares the vegetables, and makes dessert.
3) The woman prepares the meat for cooking, places it on a tray along
with the necessary cooking utensils and sauces, and takes it to the man
who is lounging beside the grill - beer in hand.

Here comes the important part:

4) THE MAN PLACES THE MEAT ON THE GRILL.

5) The woman goes inside to organize the plates and cutlery.
6) The woman comes out to tell the man that the meat is burning. He
thanks her and asks if she will bring another beer while he deals with
the situation.

Important again:

7) THE MAN TAKES THE MEAT OFF THE GRILL AND HANDS IT TO THE WOMAN.

8) The woman prepares the plates, salad, bread, utensils, napkins,
sauces and brings them to the table.
9) After eating, the woman clears the table and does the dishes.

And most important of all:

10) Everyone PRAISES the MAN and THANKS HIM for his cooking efforts.

11) The man asks the woman how she enjoyed "her night off." And, seeing
her annoyed reaction, concludes that there's just no pleasing some women.

Jim Burns wrote:
> I agree. It's impossible to get good Beef Brisket BBQ outside of Texas,
> hell, the only reason people think it's good in Texas is because they've
> been told that when you're in Texas brisket BBQ is the best. That doesn't
> make it good.
>
snip

No, we are on cable and get all the metroplex TV stations.

C. Massey wrote:

> "Ross Richardson" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>The storms were closer to Denison, but the tornadoes were in Anna, TX and
>>Atoka, OK. Our local Channel 10 (Denison) had continuous coverage.
>>
>
>
>
>
> Well, glad to hear that y'all are ok...
>
> Thinking about it, I guess that you are probably just out of channel 5's
> viewing range, so that didn't do you any good. I'm in Ft. Worth.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>C. Massey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Ross Richardson" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>We just had a couple of tornados last night close to us.
>>>>
>>>>Ross
>>>>KSWI (Sherman (TX) Municipal Airport) North of Dallas. (How's this for
>>>>identifing?)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>
>>>Everything ok there? It was a little closer to Denison wasn't it? I
>>>noticed that channel 5 was showing the weather for about 45 mins before I
>>>shut the tv off to go to sleep. They never did show any video though...
>
>
>
>
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On Wed, 10 May 2006 08:08:20 -0500, Ross Richardson
> wrote:
> OK here, I have lived in North Texas for 30 years, yet I believe the
> best BBQ to be in Kansas City, MO.

Damn, time to get the tar and feather out... Is there a railroad
nearby?

On Wed, 10 May 2006 06:35:35 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
> wrote:
> Hopefully, although "locked and loaded", you showed restraint.

That's why we like gators... For when we don't want to show
restraint...

On Wed, 10 May 2006 09:46:49 -0500, "Jim Burns"
> wrote:
> I agree. It's impossible to get good Beef Brisket BBQ outside of Texas,
> hell, the only reason people think it's good in Texas is because they've
> been told that when you're in Texas brisket BBQ is the best. That doesn't
> make it good.

Awh, 'ell... Next thing you're going to be saying that you don't miss
Lone Star beer after having been out of Texas for awhile... BBQ is a
religion in Texas... Brisket is the choice sacrifice... Lone Star is
the wine for our communion mugs... Only Texans know how to do *real*
BBQ... If you don't believe it, just ask us...

("Grumman-581" wrote)
> Damn, time to get the tar and feather out... Is there a railroad nearby?


From what I'm reading, you might have a handy substitute for tar available
at most any Texas BBQ. <g>

Me? I'll have some more of that smoked Walleye.


Montblack
MN State Fish - The Walleye

"Ross Richardson" > wrote in message
...
> Since this thread has been discussing BBQ and not airplanes, let me take
> it a little more OT. My daughter just happened to send this to me. So here
> goes.
>
> Ross
> KSWI
>
> BARBEQUE SEASON
>
> After four long months of cold and winter, we are finally coming up to
> summer and BBQ season. Therefore it is important to refresh your memory on
> the etiquette of this sublime outdoor cooking, as it's the only type of
> cooking a real man will do, probably because there is some of danger
> involved.

Around here that would be a mountain lion showing up to see what(who)'s for
dinner.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Bob Noel wrote:

One word: Tornado.

:-)

----------------------

At least one can hide from a tornado (or drive away from its path) and
the chances of it not hitting you are pretty good compared to a
hurricane.

Randy

("Randy Aldous" wrote)
> At least one can hide from a tornado (or drive away from its path) and
> the chances of it not hitting you are pretty good compared to a hurricane.


Downside: You can't go sit up on your roof for a week, after a tornado rips
through your town. No roof!


Montblack

Answer for tornado, poured concrete with steel and fiber
reinforced mix. Also spall-proof glass and steel shutters.
Some properly placed garden walls, planters and such would
deflect wind a debris from the windows. The roof would be
designed to withstand 150 mph and would NOT be a structural
part of the house. The concrete box would be designed to be
weather/water tight even if the roof blows off and would
serve primarily as a cover for the mechanical systems
located on the roof.
Could be designed to be fireproof and to withstand a direct
hit from a cat 5 tornado with only minor damage. Flood
would he handled by proper siting on high ground with a
nearby drainage basin.

Very few tornadoes destroy more than 50 sq. miles,
hurricanes can destroy 1,000s (Katrina was 90,000 sq.miles)
and hurricanes spawn tornadoes too.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Randy Aldous" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| Bob Noel wrote:
|
| One word: Tornado.
|
| :-)
|
| ----------------------
|
| At least one can hide from a tornado (or drive away from
its path) and
| the chances of it not hitting you are pretty good compared
to a
| hurricane.
|
| Randy
|

I live in NC... it gotta be pork. But I never took to pulled pork.
Grew up in Pittsburgh (???!!)and barbecue there is pork ribs with lots
of sauce.

But the nicest place to live and fly is a Lake Ridge Aero Park - 8NC8 in
Durham NC. There's even a home on the runway for sale.... for no more
than a home anywhere else though it's a bit noisy.

John Gaquin wrote:
> "Grumman-581" > wrote
>
>>Sorry, but BBQ is beef...
>
>
> You say that above a whisper anywhere near NC and you'd best be locked and
> loaded! :-)
>
>

In Oklahoma, if there is bad weather any where in the county, they turn on the
sirens. Out west some of the county are petty large ( more cows than people). If
you live in the southern part of the county and the bad weather is in the
northern part of the county, it's a no factor. But if you and your wife are out
mowing the yard, and the siren goes off you better go inside and check the TV.
You may be able to continue mowing or you may have to head to the fraidy hole
(underground shelter).

On Wed, 10 May 2006 10:36:56 -0400, "Peter R." > wrote:

>Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>> Example: The sirens went off again last night while we were all
>> watching the movie, during a thunderstorm. A couple of people from out
>> of town were mildly concerned (understandable, after our recent
>> experience) but the rest of us "veterans" simply went back to watching
>> "Memphis Belle"...
>
>Sort of defeats the purpose of the warning sirens, this New Englander is
>thinking.

GeorgeC

In article >,
Dylan Smith > wrote:

> Personally, I also need humidity -
> my lips dry out horribly if I spend more than 4 or 5 days in the dryer
> parts of the US

Chapped lips are the result of dehydration, not humidity.

("Maule Driver" wrote)
> But the nicest place to live and fly is a Lake Ridge Aero Park - 8NC8 in
> Durham NC. There's even a home on the runway for sale.... for no more
> than a home anywhere else though it's a bit noisy.


Noisy because of the highway? Or the good kind of noisy? :-)

[For anyone, like me, who doesn't know this stuff, yet]

This was fun... I'm STILLLLL learning the Google Earth program on my
Desktop.

1. Google: AirNav + 8NC8
2. Click: Google (by the maps).
Yes, you can select "Satellite" but I prefer the full Google Earth program.

3. Copy: ...all numbers after [=]
[36.060145%2C-78.783339]

4. Open: Google Earth
5. Paste: [36.060145[%2C]-78.783339] into GE.
6. Clean up/Delete: %2C (...it took 3 trys to figure this out)

7. Hit Enter: 36.060145-78.783339
8. There it is.


1. AirNav + ANE
2. Maps - choose Google
3. Copy [45.145000%2C-93.211389]
4. Paste [45.145000%2C-93.211389] into GE.
5. Backspace-Delete %2C
6. Hit Enter: 45.145000-93.211389
7. There's Anoka County-Blaine Airport


1. Google: AirNav + KIOW
2. Click: Google in the Maps area
3 Copy back to [=]
4. Paste into Google Earth: [41.639244%2C-91.546503]
5. Delete: %2C
6. Hit Enter: 41.639244-91.546503
7. There's Iowa City Municipal Airport.

It's only 50x quicker than reading my walk-through. <g>


Montblack
rec.aviation netiquette will [soon] be:
Airport Identifier
Airport name + State, and/or Country
Google Earth coordinates :-)

"Montblack" > writes:

> ("Randy Aldous" wrote)
> > At least one can hide from a tornado (or drive away from its path)
> > and the chances of it not hitting you are pretty good compared to a
> > hurricane.
>
> Downside: You can't go sit up on your roof for a week, after a tornado
> rips through your town. No roof!

It may take the roofs off half a dozen or so houses. If yours is
gone, you can generally go sit on your neighbor's roof.
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"Randy Aldous" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Bob Noel wrote:
>
> One word: Tornado.
>
> :-)
>
> ----------------------
>
> At least one can hide from a tornado (or drive away from its path) and
> the chances of it not hitting you are pretty good compared to a
> hurricane.

If you don't let all your buses drown, you can get away from a hurricane,
too.

"David Dyer-Bennet" > wrote in message
...
> "Montblack" > writes:
>>
>> Downside: You can't go sit up on your roof for a week, after a tornado
>> rips through your town. No roof!
>
> It may take the roofs off half a dozen or so houses. If yours is
> gone, you can generally go sit on your neighbor's roof.

....and drink beer.

On 2006-05-10, john smith > wrote:
> In article >,
> Dylan Smith > wrote:
>
>> Personally, I also need humidity -
>> my lips dry out horribly if I spend more than 4 or 5 days in the dryer
>> parts of the US
>
> Chapped lips are the result of dehydration, not humidity.

I must have been dehydrating fast then. I drank what seemed like gallons
of water all the time, and pretty much always had a water bottle handy.

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In article >,
Dylan Smith > wrote:

> On 2006-05-10, john smith > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > Dylan Smith > wrote:
> >
> >> Personally, I also need humidity -
> >> my lips dry out horribly if I spend more than 4 or 5 days in the dryer
> >> parts of the US

> > Chapped lips are the result of dehydration, not humidity.

> I must have been dehydrating fast then. I drank what seemed like gallons
> of water all the time, and pretty much always had a water bottle handy.

Does this senario fit the bill...
You flew on an airliner from Europe for at least eight hours prior to
arriving in the dryer climes. During that time on the aircraft you drank
less than one liter per hour of water. Hence you arrived dehydrated and
the chapping had already begun. It then takes several days of good
hydration for your lips to recover.

OH, I definitely meant the good kind of noise.... the Waco is my
favorite though I equally enjoy the Apache that just joined us. Even
the local news chopper is nice to these ears. Nothing like lit grass
with JetA.

BTW, regarding GE - my home and hangar are right at the midfield turnoff
- that line that intersects the airstrip is a gas line easement - I'm up
against that. The house and lot 4 properties to the SE I understand is
on the market. No hangar but should would be nice to have someone come
in and build one.

Montblack wrote:
> ("Maule Driver" wrote)
>
>> But the nicest place to live and fly is a Lake Ridge Aero Park - 8NC8
>> in Durham NC. There's even a home on the runway for sale.... for no
>> more than a home anywhere else though it's a bit noisy.
>
>
>
> Noisy because of the highway? Or the good kind of noisy? :-)
>

> The Great Lakes are a bit different though: thanks to the relatively
> warm (especially for our latitude) waters, despite being further north
> than the entire lower 48 states, we can grow many species of palm here
> - I just planted some Washingtonia filifera (i.e. California fan palm)
> in my back garden (it won't grow as tall as it does in California
> though). It seldom freezes here, and if it snows, it melts within about 2
> hours. The summers are mild - rarely getting higher than the mid 70s
> which is an extremely pleasant temperature, I think.

Yep, that's a far cry from the Great Lakes. I remember as a boy when
Lake Michigan would freeze all the way across. Every now and then some
moron would try to hike out there, and get stuck on an ice floe.

I always wondered how many tried that and DIDN'T get any notice, when
they simply disappeared.

I don't think it's come to freezed across in many years now. But it's
still mighty cold and damp.

Personally, I like it warmer than the 70s in the summer. Upper 80s is
'bout perfect for a day at poolside -- but you can keep the humidity.
I just can't stand sweating that much!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 2006-05-11, john smith > wrote:
> Does this senario fit the bill...
> You flew on an airliner from Europe for at least eight hours prior to
> arriving in the dryer climes.

No - flew from California in a Piper TriPacer on one instance, from
Houston in a Cessna 182 in another instance, and on SouthWest from
Houston on a couple of instances.

I don't remember how much I drank on the planes (GA or otherwise), but I
usually fly with LOTS of water if I'm going over sparsely populated/arid
areas in a light plane - just in case the fan stops (and usually have
some handy). Generally, I don't drink sodas. I don't doubt what you say,
but it seems that I drink gallons when I'm out west but still suffer.

Incidentally, BA are pretty good at making sure there's always water
available on their transatlantic flights.

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In article >,
says...
>
>
>("Grumman-581" wrote)
>> Damn, time to get the tar and feather out... Is there a railroad nearby?
>
>
>From what I'm reading, you might have a handy substitute for tar available
>at most any Texas BBQ. <g>
>
>Me? I'll have some more of that smoked Walleye.
>

BBQ Lutefisk? ;-)

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KMDZ

of course the best airport to fly is the closest one.

it's not like us non-pilot enthusiasts wander around looking at airports :)

but http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAUW is definitely for airplane nuts.
bunch of model airplanes hanging from the ceiling of the lobby


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I vote for Iowa City!
>
> This just in:
>
> "'Kiplinger's Personal Finance' ranked Iowa City 10th in its top 50
> 'Smart Places to Live' list. The rankings are based on cost of living,
> homes, crime, health care, climate, environment and education."
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

("Tater Schuld" wrote)
> but http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAUW is definitely for airplane nuts.
> bunch of model airplanes hanging from the ceiling of the lobby


http://www.airnav.com/airport/KEKO
Elko Nevada, too.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KENV
Wendover, Utah has a (FREE) very well done museum in the FBO. The field is a
GIANT museum piece, too. <g>

[Upcoming Wendover Trip]
We're on the, "sorry full," waiting list for a June [$99/person RT + three
nights + no extra taxes or fees + ride to hotel ...EVERYTHING] flight into
Wendover Airport - on the Nevada state line.

We could do the flight out of MSP or Eau Claire, WI for $199 per person, but
that's just not as fun as getting it for $99 - even if we have to drive to
Sioux City, Iowa or Sioux Falls, South Dakota to get it ....300 miles [+-]
to either city.

Sounds like a lot of driving but MSP would kill almost 2 hours anyway. Small
town ...land, get in car, drive home. Parking might even be free at FSD and
SUX!! Money we'd save driving and flying out of SUX would go toward a rental
car on the other end. We'd drive over to Salt Lake City this trip. :-)

http://max.peppermillwendover.com/maxaire.htm
(Map + prices ...I hate playful websites!!!) Sioux Falls, South Dakota and
Sioux City, Iowa are very near the SW corner of Minnesota. Map is
misleading.

Flying into Wendover Utah/Nevada is very much like landing on the Bonneville
Salt Flats - ocean of white, with a runway on it. "The World's Fastest
Indian" BSF speed course is on the other side of the freeway from the
airport/WWII airbase.

http://www.mnhs.org/places/sites/lh/child_lindbergh.html
Lindbergh on a homemade raft on the Mississippi River near his boyhood home
in Little Falls, MN, about 1912.

MSP - Minneapolis/St Paul (Lindbergh Terminal) has a replica of The Spirit
of St Louis hanging from the ceiling, but it's on the far end of the
building and few people see it. Charles Lindbergh was born and raised in
Minnesota.


Montblack