Hey, all. For purposes of ballparking my budget next year, I'm wondering
what it costs Joe Average Pilot, CP-ASEL-IA to get his CFI these days.

Any new CFIs care to discuss? Thanks!

-Chris
PP-ASEL-IA, completing Commercial in August.

If you work on your Commercial from the right seat, it will probably save
you some money on your CFI. If you can do most of the flying in a
inexpensive fixed gear and then do the required maneuvers in a complex, that
also may save you money. But, most of the CFI work will be
ground/desk/classroom/lesson plan and teaching work, not flying. Much of
this work will be done by yourself or practicing on willing victims, empty
chairs, stuffed animals and or blow up dolls, so this will not be expensive.
People used to see and hear me taking to myself all the time. Most of my
expense was incurred in building my CFI library, buying teaching supplies,
and practice teaching to my CFI, which I fully expected and happily paid him
to do. I borrowed other CFIs to run my techniques by them over a beverage
or dinner. Once I was up to speed I took the FOI, AGI, and IGI and started
to help teach ground school. Then I developed from scratch my own
Instrument ground school program and syllabus. This was invaluable.

In short, you won't spend as much on airplane rental as you do for your
commercial, but you'll spend more on books, supplies, and ground
instruction.

Ballpark? hmm $1500-$2000? just a guess.

Jim

Jim Burns wrote:
> Ballpark? hmm $1500-$2000? just a guess.

Probably more than that. I spent $1200 just on the ground instuction
for the CFII add on rating.

-Robert

Jim Burns > wrote:
> Much of this work will be done by yourself or practicing on willing
> victims, empty chairs, stuffed animals and or blow up dolls, so this
> will not be expensive.

Jim,

I don't know what kind of airport you fly out of, but the guys at the FBO
always give me funny looks when I go out on the ramp with a blow-up doll.

Seriously, though, being a CFI is all about teaching, and almost
nothing about flying. Learn how to explain things carefully and
correctly. Learn to pay attention to your student to figure out if
they're getting what you're saying, and if not, try another approach.

In the airplane, learn to shut up and sit on your hands most of the
time. The hardest part about flight instruction is figuring out where
the dividing line is between the just plain ugly and the truly
dangerous. You want to let your students get up to that line, but not
cross it.

Also, learn to know when they've had enough. There reaches a point
where the student's brain is full for the day and they're just going
through the motions without any real learning going on. That's the
time to say, "let's head back", and maybe even take the helm for a
while to give them a breather.

Hmm.... Principle of Effect? Learning is strengthened when accompanied by a
pleasant or satisfying feeling?? nah... that works backwards also...

Principle of Intensity... vivid, dramatic or exciting experience?

lol :)

Jim

On 07/14/06 13:59, Jim Burns wrote:
> If you work on your Commercial from the right seat, it will probably save
> you some money on your CFI. If you can do most of the flying in a
> inexpensive fixed gear and then do the required maneuvers in a complex, that
> also may save you money. But, most of the CFI work will be
> ground/desk/classroom/lesson plan and teaching work, not flying. Much of
> this work will be done by yourself or practicing on willing victims, empty
> chairs, stuffed animals and or blow up dolls, so this will not be expensive.

.... Unless you're caught with the blow-up doll, in which case you may
have some 'splainin to do ;-)

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Ouch. I did my II right after I did my AMEL checkride. After teaching two
back to back instrument ground schools, I was up on my instrument game
pretty good and the ground instruction wasn't much, a few hours of "teach me
this" and a few hours of flying/teaching approaches. Granted, I'd also just
finished flying around doing single engine instrument approaches for the
past 3 days. My checkride was totally "what are you going to do when/if and
why?"

But you're probably correct, especially if there is a significant gap
between the Commercial and the CFI with no experience in the right seat. I
just checked Sheble's site: $4215 and 8 days to complete.

Jim




"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Jim Burns wrote:
> > Ballpark? hmm $1500-$2000? just a guess.
>
> Probably more than that. I spent $1200 just on the ground instuction
> for the CFII add on rating.
>
> -Robert
>

Hey, don't tell me that you never heard of the guy here in Wisconsin that
cushioned his crash with a Cheesehead hat! Just think if he would have had
a blow up doll with him! Nooo problem! :)
Jim

"Mark Hansen" > wrote in message
...
> On 07/14/06 13:59, Jim Burns wrote:
> > If you work on your Commercial from the right seat, it will probably
save
> > you some money on your CFI. If you can do most of the flying in a
> > inexpensive fixed gear and then do the required maneuvers in a complex,
that
> > also may save you money. But, most of the CFI work will be
> > ground/desk/classroom/lesson plan and teaching work, not flying. Much
of
> > this work will be done by yourself or practicing on willing victims,
empty
> > chairs, stuffed animals and or blow up dolls, so this will not be
expensive.
>
> ... Unless you're caught with the blow-up doll, in which case you may
> have some 'splainin to do ;-)
>
> --
> Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
> Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
> Sacramento, CA

gatt wrote:
> Hey, all. For purposes of ballparking my budget next year, I'm wondering
> what it costs Joe Average Pilot, CP-ASEL-IA to get his CFI these days.
>
> Any new CFIs care to discuss? Thanks!
>
> -Chris
> PP-ASEL-IA, completing Commercial in August.
>
>
>
>
Depends. If you already have a commercial, it's not THAT expensive. I
paid around $1200 for ground instruction and flight time. Then again, I
did my commercial in the right seat, which saved a lot of time learning
maneuvers. In other words, I didn't need to learn how to fly, I just
needed to learn how to teach. I suspect my CFI undercharged me on
ground instruction, because he learned a lot from me about the
maintenance side of things and our lessons were usually fairly long.

Course, this was five years ago. Not sure how prices would compare now.

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...

> Ballpark? hmm $1500-$2000? just a guess.

Excellent! That's well inside the ballpark! (Fortunately, I've got
enough non-aviation instruction experience that I shouldn't have to get over
those sorts of basic jitters.)

-c

"Mark Hansen" > wrote in message
...

> ... Unless you're caught with the blow-up doll, in which case you may
> have some 'splainin to do ;-)

Just fill it up with helium and tell 'em it's an airship.

....you'll still have 'splainin to do, but they'll confuse much easier.

-c

Good basic information, everybody! It matches my general expectation, so
I'm in range. HAVE A SAFE AND GLORIOUS WEEKEND!

-Chris

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> gatt wrote:
>> Hey, all. For purposes of ballparking my budget next year, I'm wondering
>> what it costs Joe Average Pilot, CP-ASEL-IA to get his CFI these days.
>>
>> Any new CFIs care to discuss? Thanks!
>>
>> -Chris
>> PP-ASEL-IA, completing Commercial in August.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Depends. If you already have a commercial, it's not THAT expensive. I
> paid around $1200 for ground instruction and flight time. Then again, I
> did my commercial in the right seat, which saved a lot of time learning
> maneuvers. In other words, I didn't need to learn how to fly, I just
> needed to learn how to teach. I suspect my CFI undercharged me on ground
> instruction, because he learned a lot from me about the maintenance side
> of things and our lessons were usually fairly long.
>
> Course, this was five years ago. Not sure how prices would compare now.

>> ... Unless you're caught with the blow-up doll, in which case you may
>> have some 'splainin to do ;-)
> Just fill it up with helium and tell 'em it's an airship.

.... and be sure you have the proper ratings. It takes skill to operate
a blow-up doll.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose wrote:
>>> ... Unless you're caught with the blow-up doll, in which case you may
>>> have some 'splainin to do ;-)
>>
>> Just fill it up with helium and tell 'em it's an airship.
>
>
> ... and be sure you have the proper ratings. It takes skill to operate
> a blow-up doll.
>
> Jose

I don't think that flying with a blow up doll is a legitimate way to
enter the mile high club though. so be careful how you log that flight
lest embarrassing questions get asked. :)

Robert Chambers wrote:
> I don't think that flying with a blow up doll is a legitimate way to
> enter the mile high club though. so be careful how you log that flight
> lest embarrassing questions get asked. :)

I think they can be used as a safety pilot though.

Reminds me of the pneumatic autopilot in AIRPLANE.



"kontiki" > wrote in message
...
| Robert Chambers wrote:
| > I don't think that flying with a blow up doll is a
legitimate way to
| > enter the mile high club though. so be careful how you
log that flight
| > lest embarrassing questions get asked. :)
|
| I think they can be used as a safety pilot though.
|

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in
news:9Yiug.77179$ZW3.27719@dukeread04:

> Reminds me of the pneumatic autopilot in AIRPLANE.
>
....with the strategically-placed inflation pipe. :-)

--

I'm hoping to start on my CFI in a few months. Anyone have some good
references for study material? Examples of setting up lesson plans, etc?

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> gatt wrote:
> > Hey, all. For purposes of ballparking my budget next year, I'm
wondering
> > what it costs Joe Average Pilot, CP-ASEL-IA to get his CFI these days.
> >
> > Any new CFIs care to discuss? Thanks!
> >
> > -Chris
> > PP-ASEL-IA, completing Commercial in August.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Depends. If you already have a commercial, it's not THAT expensive. I
> paid around $1200 for ground instruction and flight time. Then again, I
> did my commercial in the right seat, which saved a lot of time learning
> maneuvers. In other words, I didn't need to learn how to fly, I just
> needed to learn how to teach. I suspect my CFI undercharged me on
> ground instruction, because he learned a lot from me about the
> maintenance side of things and our lessons were usually fairly long.
>
> Course, this was five years ago. Not sure how prices would compare now.

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/faa_regulations/
http://www.faa.gov/education_research/
Browse these sites and you'll find free downloadable PDF
files of all the FAA publications. The FAA tests are based
on these, so they are the primary source. Also, William
Kershner's Flight Instructor Manual is an excellent
reference.
The AOPA ASF does FIRCs (flight instructor refresher
clinics) and they have information of their website.
Attending a clinic as part of your study is often
worthwhile. http://www.aopa.org/asf/


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Steven Barnes" > wrote in message
.net...
| I'm hoping to start on my CFI in a few months. Anyone have
some good
| references for study material? Examples of setting up
lesson plans, etc?
|
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"Jose" > wrote in message
.com...
>>> ... Unless you're caught with the blow-up doll, in which case you may
>>> have some 'splainin to do ;-)
>> Just fill it up with helium and tell 'em it's an airship.
>
> ... and be sure you have the proper ratings. It takes skill to operate a
> blow-up doll.

LOL! Yeah, 'cause if you get ramp checked, you're NEVER gonna live that
down! (And don't ask the guy if he wants to go for a ride!)

-c

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:9Yiug.77179$ZW3.27719@dukeread04...

> Reminds me of the pneumatic autopilot in AIRPLANE.

Heh. His name was "Otto."

Otto Pilot
"gatt" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:9Yiug.77179$ZW3.27719@dukeread04...
|
| > Reminds me of the pneumatic autopilot in AIRPLANE.
|
| Heh. His name was "Otto."
|
|
|

This can't be from VFR ASEL to CFI. Are you talking from instrument rated to
CFI?

mike

"gatt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim Burns" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Ballpark? hmm $1500-$2000? just a guess.
>
> Excellent! That's well inside the ballpark! (Fortunately, I've got
> enough non-aviation instruction experience that I shouldn't have to get
> over those sorts of basic jitters.)
>
> -c
>

Most of your "non-aviation" instruction experience does not
include signing on the bottom line and risking the death of
the student.




"mike regish" > wrote in message
. ..
| This can't be from VFR ASEL to CFI. Are you talking from
instrument rated to
| CFI?
|
| mike
|
| "gatt" > wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Jim Burns" > wrote in
message
| > ...
| >
| >> Ballpark? hmm $1500-$2000? just a guess.
| >
| > Excellent! That's well inside the ballpark!
(Fortunately, I've got
| > enough non-aviation instruction experience that I
shouldn't have to get
| > over those sorts of basic jitters.)
| >
| > -c
| >
|
|

"Jim Stewart" > wrote:
>
> Well, I can think of equestrian training,
> a surprisingly dangerous sport that parents
> happily sign their young daughters up for.

Lost-horesepower checklist:

1. Trim horse for best glide ratio
2. Locate suitable pasture or track
3. Troubleshoot horse
4. ALWAYS RIDE THE HORSE

Jim Macklin wrote:

> Most of your "non-aviation" instruction experience does not
> include signing on the bottom line and risking the death of
> the student.

Well, I can think of equestrian training,
a surprisingly dangerous sport that parents
happily sign their young daughters up for.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:16:18 -0800, "Mark" >
wrote:

>
>Lost-horsepower checklist:
>
>1. Trim horse for best glide ratio
>2. Locate suitable pasture or track
>3. Troubleshoot horse
>4. ALWAYS RIDE THE HORSE


Mark, my lawyer will be contacting you next week;
I was in serious pain after reading your post :)

--Don B
Don Byrer
Commercial Pilot / CFI Student
Electronics Technician, RADAR/Data/Comm @ CLE
Amateur Radio KJ5KB

"I have slipped the surly bonds of earth; now if I can just land without bending the gear..."
"I know what it sounds like....when doves cry" (Bird Strike 8/29/05)

"mike regish" > wrote in message
. ..
> This can't be from VFR ASEL to CFI. Are you talking from instrument rated
> to CFI?

That would fit my situation... CP ASEL IA to CFI.

-c