BULLETIN: RWY 18/36 in Iowa City is being torn up by bulldozers and
front-end loaders!

As I am typing this, heavy equipment is RIPPING OUT huge chunks of the
runway! In an act reminiscent of Mayor Daley's midnight raid on Meigs
Field, after suddenly ordering the runway closed last week, our Airport
Commission has now ordered the destruction of this runway, without
warning or explanation.

Incredibly, an airport commision that has claimed to have no money for
maintenance or upkeep (at least in the 8 years we've been tenants) has
magically obtained money to pay for the destruction and removal of tons
of 60-year old reinforced concrete.

Upon witnessing the equipment rolling onto the field, cell phones
across the airport burst to life, and I immediately called Randy
Hartwig, Airport Commission President, to find out what was happening.


The story from Mr. Hartwig was that the runway is being torn up in
order to install a new Automated Weather Observation Station (AWOS) and
to gain access to the power cables underneath the concrete.

This explanation is, well, incredible. Is it possible that there is
really no room on our airport property for an AWOS -- which we ALREADY
HAVE IN OPERATION -- other than where Rwy 18/36 currently sets?

Worse, is spending tens of thousands of dollars to rip up the runway
the best use of our limited funds, while our other runways, taxiways,
lights, aprons, and instrument approaches languish in disrepair?

It is clear from the actions of the last 10 days that this runway
closure and demolition were planned out well in advance, yet a closing
date was never announced. Strangely, despite the existence of FOICA
(Friends of Iowa City Airport) -- an airport users group that would
have made advance notification as simple as a mouse click -- (all of
our airport commissioners are members of FOICA) no effort was made to
give advance notice to airport users.

Worse, as former Commission President Rick Mascari has made clear, it
was well within the the power of the Airport Commission to keep this
runway open -- and it was solely their decision to close it.

And, now, it was solely their decision to rip it up.

Since its inception on March 3, 1944, the mission of the Airport
Commission has been to "preserve and protect airport infrastructure for
future generations". With the destruction of this irreplaceable
runway, it appears that this commission has abandoned its charter.

Sadly, the closing of this runway was approved years ago, before the
inception of our airport support group, FOICA. Since then, that
decision has sat "on the books" and -- because no one protested when
the decision was made -- apparently the current commissioners felt the
closure was a "done deal" and could be implemented at any time.

This has apparently led to their "Daley-esque" handling of the
situation. Pilots were given no notification (other than a note taped
to the door of the FBO -- a door very few airport tenants ever use) of
the runway closure -- and the destruction of the runway has come as a
complete surprise to every airport user.

If you feel that the runway closure -- and subsequent demolition -- was
handled improperly, I urge you to contact our airport commissioners.

Randy Hartwig
Howard Horan
John Staley
Greg Farris
Janelle Rettig
Dan Clay (Advisory Member)
Airport Specialist Michael Tharp:
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Friends of Iowa City Airport
AOPA Iowa City Airport Support Network Volunteer
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> [...]
> This has apparently led to their "Daley-esque" handling of the
> situation. Pilots were given no notification (other than a note taped
> to the door of the FBO -- a door very few airport tenants ever use) of
> the runway closure -- and the destruction of the runway has come as a
> complete surprise to every airport user.

As sorry as I am to hear of the destruction of your runway, let's not
elevate the Meigs Field closure by comparing it to a legal and relatively
low-impact removal of a single runway at an airport with multiple runways.

If the removal was really on the books since "years ago", it should not have
been a surprise to the airport users.

This event is similar to Daley's actions only with respect to the equipment
being used and the target of destruction. It is otherwise far from it.

Pete

> This event is similar to Daley's actions only with respect to the equipment
> being used and the target of destruction. It is otherwise far from it.

Everything about this is Daley-esque. I personally know every single
airport commissioner, and I knew NOTHING of this closure, or the
subsequent demolition.

Approval of eventual closure does NOT give the commission the right to
close the runway suddenly and without warning -- and it certainly
doesn't give them the duty or the right to spend tens of thousands of
dollars ripping up the concrete.

Although our airport is far from closed, this action -- taken by a
group that is supposedly in existence solely for the purpose of
perpetuating our airport -- gives me little reason to believe that they
are acting in the best interests of airport users.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Hey, Jay

Make tell the Airport Commission to make sure the runway surgeons are better
then the human surgeons would be a pity for them to amputate the wrong
runway!


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> BULLETIN: RWY 18/36 in Iowa City is being torn up by bulldozers and
> front-end loaders!
>
> As I am typing this, heavy equipment is RIPPING OUT huge chunks of the
> runway! In an act reminiscent of Mayor Daley's midnight raid on Meigs
> Field, after suddenly ordering the runway closed last week, our Airport
> Commission has now ordered the destruction of this runway, without
> warning or explanation.
>
> Incredibly, an airport commision that has claimed to have no money for
> maintenance or upkeep (at least in the 8 years we've been tenants) has
> magically obtained money to pay for the destruction and removal of tons
> of 60-year old reinforced concrete.
>
> Upon witnessing the equipment rolling onto the field, cell phones
> across the airport burst to life, and I immediately called Randy
> Hartwig, Airport Commission President, to find out what was happening.
>
>
> The story from Mr. Hartwig was that the runway is being torn up in
> order to install a new Automated Weather Observation Station (AWOS) and
> to gain access to the power cables underneath the concrete.
>
> This explanation is, well, incredible. Is it possible that there is
> really no room on our airport property for an AWOS -- which we ALREADY
> HAVE IN OPERATION -- other than where Rwy 18/36 currently sets?
>
> Worse, is spending tens of thousands of dollars to rip up the runway
> the best use of our limited funds, while our other runways, taxiways,
> lights, aprons, and instrument approaches languish in disrepair?
>
> It is clear from the actions of the last 10 days that this runway
> closure and demolition were planned out well in advance, yet a closing
> date was never announced. Strangely, despite the existence of FOICA
> (Friends of Iowa City Airport) -- an airport users group that would
> have made advance notification as simple as a mouse click -- (all of
> our airport commissioners are members of FOICA) no effort was made to
> give advance notice to airport users.
>
> Worse, as former Commission President Rick Mascari has made clear, it
> was well within the the power of the Airport Commission to keep this
> runway open -- and it was solely their decision to close it.
>
> And, now, it was solely their decision to rip it up.
>
> Since its inception on March 3, 1944, the mission of the Airport
> Commission has been to "preserve and protect airport infrastructure for
> future generations". With the destruction of this irreplaceable
> runway, it appears that this commission has abandoned its charter.
>
> Sadly, the closing of this runway was approved years ago, before the
> inception of our airport support group, FOICA. Since then, that
> decision has sat "on the books" and -- because no one protested when
> the decision was made -- apparently the current commissioners felt the
> closure was a "done deal" and could be implemented at any time.
>
> This has apparently led to their "Daley-esque" handling of the
> situation. Pilots were given no notification (other than a note taped
> to the door of the FBO -- a door very few airport tenants ever use) of
> the runway closure -- and the destruction of the runway has come as a
> complete surprise to every airport user.
>
> If you feel that the runway closure -- and subsequent demolition -- was
> handled improperly, I urge you to contact our airport commissioners.
>
> Randy Hartwig
> Howard Horan
> John Staley
> Greg Farris
> Janelle Rettig
> Dan Clay (Advisory Member)
> Airport Specialist Michael Tharp:
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Friends of Iowa City Airport
> AOPA Iowa City Airport Support Network Volunteer
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

On 20 Jul 2006 09:36:38 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > wrote
in . com>::

>
>If you feel that the runway closure -- and subsequent demolition -- was
>handled improperly,


Have you considered authoring a news article, and distributing it to
the local news papers, and contacting the local TV news departments?

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> This event is similar to Daley's actions only with respect to the
>> equipment
>> being used and the target of destruction. It is otherwise far from it.
>
> Everything about this is Daley-esque. I personally know every single
> airport commissioner, and I knew NOTHING of this closure, or the
> subsequent demolition.
>

Jay, notwithstanding the ancient decision to do the closure and
destruction -- it is a moot point, after all -- did your public officials
violate the terms of Iowa's Iowa Open Meetings Law: Iowa Code Ann. Ch. 21.1
et. seq. in scheduling the destruction?

" 21.3 Meetings of governmental bodies shall be preceded by public notice
as provided in section 21.4 and shall be held in open session unless closed
sessions are expressly permitted by law. Except as provided in section 21.5,
all actions and discussions at meetings of governmental bodies, whether
formal or informal, shall be conducted and executed in open session."

I don't know Iowa's statutes, but typically the only exceptions permitted by
law are those pertaining to pending litigation or personell matters.

On 20 Jul 2006 09:54:22 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > wrote
in om>::

>Approval of eventual closure does NOT give the commission the right to
>close the runway suddenly and without warning -

Have you contacted the FAA regarding the necessity of the airport
operator to provide 30-day notice before taking such action? I
believe a new fine structure was implemented in reaction to the
destruction that occurred at Meigs.

Suggest that you send in a FOIA request to the FAA regarding any
information on your airport that occurred in last 3-6 months. Someone must
have filed something including the runway closing notice. You might also
uncover some other things that you haven't heard about yet but are soon to
happen. Unfortunately, it will cost you a few dollars to get this, so be
as specific as possible when you request the info so as not to get every
weather report, etc., that mentions the airport. They only charge for the
reproduction costs.

Thanks, Dan

Jay Honeck wrote:

> BULLETIN: RWY 18/36 in Iowa City is being torn up by bulldozers and
> front-end loaders!
>
> As I am typing this, heavy equipment is RIPPING OUT huge chunks of the
> runway! In an act reminiscent of Mayor Daley's midnight raid on Meigs
> Field, after suddenly ordering the runway closed last week, our Airport
> Commission has now ordered the destruction of this runway, without
> warning or explanation.
>
> Incredibly, an airport commision that has claimed to have no money for
> maintenance or upkeep (at least in the 8 years we've been tenants) has
> magically obtained money to pay for the destruction and removal of tons
> of 60-year old reinforced concrete.
>
> Upon witnessing the equipment rolling onto the field, cell phones
> across the airport burst to life, and I immediately called Randy
> Hartwig, Airport Commission President, to find out what was happening.
>
> The story from Mr. Hartwig was that the runway is being torn up in
> order to install a new Automated Weather Observation Station (AWOS) and
> to gain access to the power cables underneath the concrete.
>
> This explanation is, well, incredible. Is it possible that there is
> really no room on our airport property for an AWOS -- which we ALREADY
> HAVE IN OPERATION -- other than where Rwy 18/36 currently sets?
>
> Worse, is spending tens of thousands of dollars to rip up the runway
> the best use of our limited funds, while our other runways, taxiways,
> lights, aprons, and instrument approaches languish in disrepair?
>
> It is clear from the actions of the last 10 days that this runway
> closure and demolition were planned out well in advance, yet a closing
> date was never announced. Strangely, despite the existence of FOICA
> (Friends of Iowa City Airport) -- an airport users group that would
> have made advance notification as simple as a mouse click -- (all of
> our airport commissioners are members of FOICA) no effort was made to
> give advance notice to airport users.
>
> Worse, as former Commission President Rick Mascari has made clear, it
> was well within the the power of the Airport Commission to keep this
> runway open -- and it was solely their decision to close it.
>
> And, now, it was solely their decision to rip it up.
>
> Since its inception on March 3, 1944, the mission of the Airport
> Commission has been to "preserve and protect airport infrastructure for
> future generations". With the destruction of this irreplaceable
> runway, it appears that this commission has abandoned its charter.
>
> Sadly, the closing of this runway was approved years ago, before the
> inception of our airport support group, FOICA. Since then, that
> decision has sat "on the books" and -- because no one protested when
> the decision was made -- apparently the current commissioners felt the
> closure was a "done deal" and could be implemented at any time.
>
> This has apparently led to their "Daley-esque" handling of the
> situation. Pilots were given no notification (other than a note taped
> to the door of the FBO -- a door very few airport tenants ever use) of
> the runway closure -- and the destruction of the runway has come as a
> complete surprise to every airport user.
>
> If you feel that the runway closure -- and subsequent demolition -- was
> handled improperly, I urge you to contact our airport commissioners.
>
> Randy Hartwig
> Howard Horan
> John Staley
> Greg Farris
> Janelle Rettig
> Dan Clay (Advisory Member)
> Airport Specialist Michael Tharp:
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> Friends of Iowa City Airport
> AOPA Iowa City Airport Support Network Volunteer
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

As they say "follow the money". Watch for development of any kind at the
either end of the runway.

>"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
> The story from Mr. Hartwig was that the runway is being torn up in
> order to install a new Automated Weather Observation Station (AWOS) and
> to gain access to the power cables underneath the concrete.

FOICA knew about this decision being on the books but didn't get it
reversed. What else has been forgotten? Time to see about land use zoning
changes. Someone has plans for the land and there's a record of it or the
money somewhere.

Might be time to find one or two or 50 endangered species or on the land. If
you can't have a runway, they can't have new buildings either.

D.

"Capt.Doug" > wrote in
:

<Snipola>
> Might be time to find one or two or 50 endangered species or on the
> land. If you can't have a runway, they can't have new buildings either.

Hmmmm.....I wonder how difficult it would be to introduce an
endangered species.

Brian
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> >"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
> > The story from Mr. Hartwig was that the runway is being torn up in
> > order to install a new Automated Weather Observation Station (AWOS) and
> > to gain access to the power cables underneath the concrete.
>
> FOICA knew about this decision being on the books but didn't get it
> reversed. What else has been forgotten?

This is the most worrisome of all, actually. We're still fighting to
save our old Boeing/United Hangar -- one of just 7 left in the country
-- from demolition.

Now that I see how these guys will act, I expect the wrecking ball to
fall any day now...

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Skywise wrote:

> Hmmmm.....I wonder how difficult it would be to introduce an
> endangered species.
>

Pretty easy. This week I read where a developer in kalifornia may be stopped
because a anti-growth plant "expert" "found" a rare plant on the property.
There's no prior history of the plant being in the area. The nimby locals
have been fighting the development of the land.

Jay Honeck wrote:
> BULLETIN: RWY 18/36 in Iowa City is being torn up by bulldozers and
> front-end loaders!

Didn't Chicago get fined by the FAA for closing a runway with
inadequate notice?

> > BULLETIN: RWY 18/36 in Iowa City is being torn up by bulldozers and
> > front-end loaders!
>
> Didn't Chicago get fined by the FAA for closing a runway with
> inadequate notice?

Yep.

So how do we fine Iowa City for giving too much notice? The ultimate
closure of this runway has been on the table for probably 10 years, off
and on. I'm sure they would say that "everyone knew this was coming"
-- despite the fact that they never announced a firm closing or
demolition date.

It's a real conundrum, and a real shame.

Lesson learned: "Manana" does, indeed, eventually arrive, and you may
not always have another shot at fighting something. I/we assumed that
this runway closure was still being debated, and was still "in the
works." Obviously our airport commission felt otherwise.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
> > > BULLETIN: RWY 18/36 in Iowa City is being torn up by bulldozers and
> > > front-end loaders!
> >
> > Didn't Chicago get fined by the FAA for closing a runway with
> > inadequate notice?
>
> Yep.
>
> So how do we fine Iowa City for giving too much notice? The ultimate
> closure of this runway has been on the table for probably 10 years, off
> and on.

Yes, but did they issue the required NOTAM?

On 2006-07-20, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Upon witnessing the equipment rolling onto the field, cell phones
> across the airport burst to life, and I immediately called Randy
> Hartwig, Airport Commission President, to find out what was happening.

Before I finished reading the sentence, my mind filled in the rest of
it... "...cell phones across the airport burst into life, and airport
users followed the example of Arthur Dent and lay on the ground in the
way of the bulldozers"

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On 21 Jul 2006 05:50:04 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > wrote
in om>::

>> Didn't Chicago get fined by the FAA for closing a runway with
>> inadequate notice?
>
>Yep.
>
>So how do we fine Iowa City for giving too much notice? The ultimate
>closure of this runway has been on the table for probably 10 years, off
>and on. I'm sure they would say that "everyone knew this was coming"
>-- despite the fact that they never announced a firm closing or
>demolition date.

It would seem to me, that the airport operator would be subject to the
same fine as the dictator of Chicago if they failed to provide an
official notice to the FAA of their intent to close the runway.

But, you haven't investigated whether they did or did not provide the
FAA with the required a notice. You just want to vent your
frustration here instead of taking any action. Why is that? What
have you got to lose by calling the local FSDO inspector or the FAA
Region?


http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-1-FAR.shtml

Sec. 157.1 - Applicability.

This part applies to persons proposing to construct, alter, activate,
or deactivate a civil or joint-use (civil/military) airport or to
alter the status or use of such an airport. Requirements for persons
to notify the Administrator concerning certain airport activities are
prescribed in this part. This part does not apply to projects
involving:

(a) An airport subject to conditions of a Federal agreement that
requires an approved current airport layout plan to be on file with
the Federal Aviation Administration; or ...



http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-3-FAR.shtml

Sec. 157.3 - Projects requiring notice.

Each person who intends to do any of the following shall notify the
Administrator in the manner prescribed in §157.5:

(c) Deactivate, discontinue using, or abandon an airport or any
landing or takeoff area of an airport for a period of one year or
more.



http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-5-FAR.shtml

Sec. 157.5 - Notice of intent.

(a) Notice shall be submitted on FAA Form 7480-1, copies of which may
be obtained from an FAA Airport District/Field Office or Regional
Office, to one of those offices and shall be submitted at least --

(1) In the cases prescribed in paragraphs (a) through (d) of §157.3,
90 days in advance of the day that work is to begin;

(b) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section --

(2) notice concerning the deactivation, discontinued use, or
abandonment of an airport, an airport landing or takeoff area, or
associated taxiway may be submitted by letter. Prior notice is not
required; except that a 30-day prior notice is required when an
established instrument approach procedure is involved or when the
affected property is subject to any agreement with the United States
requiring that it be maintained and operated as a public-use airport.


http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-7-FAR.shtml

Sec. 157.7 - FAA determinations.

(a) The FAA will conduct an aeronautical study of an airport proposal
and, after consultations with interested persons, as appropriate,
issue a determination to the proponent and advise those concerned of
the FAA determination. The FAA will consider matters such as the
effects the proposed action would have on existing or contemplated
traffic patterns of neighboring airports; the effects the proposed
action would have on the existing airspace structure and projected
programs of the FAA; and the effects that existing or proposed manmade
objects (on file with the FAA) and natural objects within the affected
area would have on the airport proposal. While determinations consider
the effects of the proposed action on the safe and efficient use of
airspace by aircraft and the safety of persons and property on the
ground, the determinations are only advisory. Except for an
objectionable determination, each determination will contain a
determination-void date to facilitate efficient planning of the use of
the navigable airspace. A determination does not relieve the proponent
of responsibility for compliance with any local law, ordinance or
regulation, or state or other Federal regulation. Aeronautical studies
and determinations will not consider environmental or land use
compatibility impacts.

c) Determination void date. All work or action for which notice is
required by this sub-part must be completed by the determination void
date. Unless otherwise extended, revised, or terminated, an FAA
determination becomes invalid on the day specified as the
determination void date. Interested persons may, at least 15 days in
advance of the determination void date, petition the FAA official who
issued the determination to:

(1) Revise the determination based on new facts that change the basis
on which it was made; or

(2) Extend the determination void date. Determinations will be
furnished to the proponent, aviation officials of the state concerned,
and, when appropriate, local political bodies and other interested
persons.


http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-9-FAR.shtml
Sec. 157.9 - Notice of completion.

Within 15 days after completion of any airport project covered by this
part, the proponent of such project shall notify the FAA Airport
District Office or Regional Office by submission of FAA Form 5010-5 or
by letter. A copy of FAA Form 5010-5 will be provided with the FAA
determination.


http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-7-FAR.shtml
Sec. 157.7 - FAA determinations.

(a) The FAA will conduct an aeronautical study of an airport proposal
and, after consultations with interested persons, as appropriate,
issue a determination to the proponent and advise those concerned of
the FAA determination. The FAA will consider matters such as the
effects the proposed action would have on existing or contemplated
traffic patterns of neighboring airports; the effects the proposed
action would have on the existing airspace structure and projected
programs of the FAA; and the effects that existing or proposed manmade
objects (on file with the FAA) and natural objects within the affected
area would have on the airport proposal. While determinations consider
the effects of the proposed action on the safe and efficient use of
airspace by aircraft and the safety of persons and property on the
ground, the determinations are only advisory. Except for an
objectionable determination, each determination will contain a
determination-void date to facilitate efficient planning of the use of
the navigable airspace. A determination does not relieve the proponent
of responsibility for compliance with any local law, ordinance or
regulation, or state or other Federal regulation. Aeronautical studies
and determinations will not consider environmental or land use
compatibility impacts.


--------------------------------
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/la-summary.html
Meigs Legacy provision of the FAA reauthorization act

January 2005
TITLE I — AIRPORT AND AIRWAY IMPROVEMENTS

Subtitle D — Miscellaneous
"Meigs Field Legacy" Closure of an airport without providing
sufficient notice.
Section 185: Establishes a new federal law stating that a public
agency may not close an airport listed in the national plan of
integrated airport systems (NPIAS) without providing written notice to
the FAA at least 30 days before the date of the closure. The notice
would then be published in the Federal Register. A public agency
violating this section shall be liable for a civil penalty of $10,000
each day that the airport remains closed without having given the
required notice.

AOPA worked to ensure this section was written so as to prevent
another "midnight massacre" of an airport like Meigs Field. Prior to
this legislation, federal law never required the public reasonable
notice of a potential airport closure.




http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2004/act0412.html
The Meigs Legacy provision of the FAA reauthorization act passed at
the end of last year [2003] provides for heavy fines if an airport
sponsor fails to give proper notification before closing an airport.

Dylan Smith > wrote in
:

> On 2006-07-20, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> Upon witnessing the equipment rolling onto the field, cell phones
>> across the airport burst to life, and I immediately called Randy
>> Hartwig, Airport Commission President, to find out what was happening.
>
> Before I finished reading the sentence, my mind filled in the rest of
> it... "...cell phones across the airport burst into life, and airport
> users followed the example of Arthur Dent and lay on the ground in the
> way of the bulldozers"

"You Barbarians! I'll sue the council for every penny it's
got! I'll have you hung, drawn, and quartered! And whipped!
And boiled...until...until...until you've had enough.

"And then I will do it again! And when I've finished I
will take all the little bits, and I will jump on them!

"And I will caryy on jumping on them, until I get blisters,
or I can think of anything even more unpleasant to do,
and then...

"What the hell's that!"

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> But, you haven't investigated whether they did or did not provide the
> FAA with the required a notice. You just want to vent your
> frustration here instead of taking any action. Why is that?

Because every one of the members of our Airport Commission is a member
of our airport support group, and I'm struggling to keep this from
becoming an "us vs. them" battle between airport supporters.

The last thing we need is for the local newspaper -- the same paper
that was clamoring for the airport to "pay for itself or close" -- to
pick up on this story. And the airport can ill afford to pay some
humongous FAA fine, which will accomplish precisely nothing.

No, I'm trapped between taking punitive action that will do the airport
no good, and doing nothing.

It all sucks.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

>"Jim Herring" wrote in message
> Pretty easy. This week I read where a developer in kalifornia may be
stopped
> because a anti-growth plant "expert" "found" a rare plant on the property.
> There's no prior history of the plant being in the area. The nimby locals
> have been fighting the development of the land.

I was deposed in a similar situation. The plaintif's lawyer asked me
describe a gopher tortoise. He asked if I had ever seen gopher tortoises on
the airport property. I've seen them there since I was a kid. The lawyer
asked if I had seen 52 of them on the airport property. That's when the
purpose of the deposition hit me and I had to try like h**l to keep a
straight face. Bottom line is that there is still only one FBO, lots of open
space, and a gopher tortoise crossing sign at the airport.

D.

Skywise wrote:
> Dylan Smith > wrote in
> :
>
> > On 2006-07-20, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> >> Upon witnessing the equipment rolling onto the field, cell phones
> >> across the airport burst to life, and I immediately called Randy
> >> Hartwig, Airport Commission President, to find out what was happening.
> >
> > Before I finished reading the sentence, my mind filled in the rest of
> > it... "...cell phones across the airport burst into life, and airport
> > users followed the example of Arthur Dent and lay on the ground in the
> > way of the bulldozers"
>
> "You Barbarians! I'll sue the council for every penny it's
> got! I'll have you hung, drawn, and quartered! And whipped!
> And boiled...until...until...until you've had enough.
>
> "And then I will do it again! And when I've finished I
> will take all the little bits, and I will jump on them!
>
> "And I will caryy on jumping on them, until I get blisters,
> or I can think of anything even more unpleasant to do,
> and then...
>
> "What the hell's that!"
>

Last call, then.

> No, I'm trapped between taking punitive action that will do the airport
> no good, and doing nothing.

Sounds like that's the way politics is played, and you've just been
out-played. Somebody knew something.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

> > No, I'm trapped between taking punitive action that will do the airport
> > no good, and doing nothing.
>
> Sounds like that's the way politics is played, and you've just been
> out-played. Somebody knew something.

Absolutely. If I had the time, I'd follow the money.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 21 Jul 2006 19:50:14 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > wrote
in . com>::

>The last thing we need is for the local newspaper -- the same paper
>that was clamoring for the airport to "pay for itself or close" -- to
>pick up on this story.

If you write the story, you control its content.

>>Sounds like that's the way politics is played, and you've just been
>> out-played. Somebody knew something.
>
> Absolutely. If I had the time, I'd follow the money.

That's what they count on. People have lives to live, organizations can
wait you out.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On 21 Jul 2006 19:50:14 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > wrote
> in . com>::
>
>>The last thing we need is for the local newspaper -- the same paper
>>that was clamoring for the airport to "pay for itself or close" -- to
>>pick up on this story.
>
> If you write the story, you control its content.


And the editors change the content to read the way they want it to read...




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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:07:29 GMT, "C. Massey" >
wrote in >::

>
>And the editors change the content to read the way they want it to read...

That's never happened to me.

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:07:29 GMT, "C. Massey" >
> wrote in >::
>
>>
>>And the editors change the content to read the way they want it to read...
>
> That's never happened to me.
>


But you are special...

I work in the media and know how they operate...




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