The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost 3,000 people
dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading academics.

Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks
were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the
invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.

The claims have caused outrage and anger in the US which marks the
fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks on Monday.

But leading scientists say the facts of their investigations cannot be
ignored and say they have evidence that points to one of the biggest
conspiracies ever perpetrated. Professor Steven Jones, who lectures in
physics at the Brigham Young University in Utah, says the official
version of events is the biggest and most evil cover up in history.

He has joined the 9/11 Scholars for Truth whose membership includes up
to 75 leading scientists and experts from universities across the US.

Prof Jones said: "We don't believe that 19 hijackers and a few others
in a cave in Afghanistan pulled this off acting alone.

"We challenge this official conspiracy theory and, by God, we're going
to get to the bottom of this."

They believe a group of US neo-conservatives called the Project for a
New American Century, set on US world dominance, orchestrated the 9/11
attacks as an excuse to hit Iraq, Afghanistan and later Iran.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770

The Demolition of the World Trade Centre Complex:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6545313046180631815

Gravity makes everything fall at the same rate. Fire
softens steel.

Little green men or maybe they're women, did it is just as
good a fantasy.


> wrote in message
oups.com...
| The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost
3,000 people
| dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading
academics.
|
| Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe
the attacks
| were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to
justify the
| invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.
|
| The claims have caused outrage and anger in the US which
marks the
| fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks on Monday.
|
| But leading scientists say the facts of their
investigations cannot be
| ignored and say they have evidence that points to one of
the biggest
| conspiracies ever perpetrated. Professor Steven Jones, who
lectures in
| physics at the Brigham Young University in Utah, says the
official
| version of events is the biggest and most evil cover up in
history.
|
| He has joined the 9/11 Scholars for Truth whose membership
includes up
| to 75 leading scientists and experts from universities
across the US.
|
| Prof Jones said: "We don't believe that 19 hijackers and a
few others
| in a cave in Afghanistan pulled this off acting alone.
|
| "We challenge this official conspiracy theory and, by God,
we're going
| to get to the bottom of this."
|
| They believe a group of US neo-conservatives called the
Project for a
| New American Century, set on US world dominance,
orchestrated the 9/11
| attacks as an excuse to hit Iraq, Afghanistan and later
Iran.
|
|
|
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770
|
| The Demolition of the World Trade Centre Complex:
|
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6545313046180631815
|

You've seen the photos of the survivors standing in the impact holes on
the side of the tower begging for help. How could they do that if the
temperatures were hot enough to 'melt steel'?

wrote:
> You've seen the photos of the survivors standing in the impact holes on
> the side of the tower begging for help. How could they do that if the
> temperatures were hot enough to 'melt steel'?

I never saw that particular picture -- where is it?

http://www.newsfocus.org/wtc_woman.gif

wrote:
> You've seen the photos of the survivors standing in the impact holes on
> the side of the tower begging for help. How could they do that if the
> temperatures were hot enough to 'melt steel'?

The entire structure does not have to melt - just enough key
components.

For a physics professor he sure seems to ignore a lot of concepts such
as momentum, torque, leverage and conservation of energy...


HankC

All 73 need to get a life. They should move to Russia.
Lets get real.

In article . com>,
smoked some really BAD dope, beamed down from
the Mothership, spotted a Sasquatch, dodged a Chupacabra's claws,
sniffed a whole lot of "chemtrails," foamed at the mouth, howled at the
Moon and bloviated :


> The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost 3,000 people
> dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading academics.
>
> Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks
> were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the
> invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.


"Top professors"???? NONE of them has experience in relevant fields:
aviation, structures, demolition, operations, covert ops, etc.


> The claims have caused outrage and anger in the US which marks the
> fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks on Monday.
>
> But leading scientists say the facts of their investigations cannot be
> ignored and say they have evidence that points to one of the biggest
> conspiracies ever perpetrated. Professor Steven Jones, who lectures in
> physics at the Brigham Young University in Utah, says the official
> version of events is the biggest and most evil cover up in history.

"Leading scientists"??? Experts in the appropriate fields support the
NIST explanations -- NOT those of Jones, et. al! Jones' field of
expertise are: cold fusion, the journeys of Jesus Christ through the
Americas. He has zero experience in structures or anything else relevant
to the subject.

Jones and co. are making a lot of money selling lectures, books and
videos to the ignorant, the galactically stupid, the gullible and the
malicious.

> He has joined the 9/11 Scholars for Truth whose membership includes up
> to 75 leading scientists and experts from universities across the US.
>
> Prof Jones said: "We don't believe that 19 hijackers and a few others
> in a cave in Afghanistan pulled this off acting alone.


He is obviously willfully ignorant of *real* conspiracies!

These guys are continually blowing smoke in political newsgroups and
getting shot down everywhere. They use more aliases than Carter has pill!

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I realize I'm adding a post to this thread, but...

In general, don't bother replying to the creatures who
post this sort of drivel. They're living in their own
little spheres of stupidity and either don't read
any follows-up or don't care.

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are not appropriate for this list.

-Robert

Who said melt? Fire softens steel. It was a damn big
building, the fire wasn't everywhere.


> wrote in message
ups.com...
| You've seen the photos of the survivors standing in the
impact holes on
| the side of the tower begging for help. How could they do
that if the
| temperatures were hot enough to 'melt steel'?
|

This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951

"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not
endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

In article >,
"MnMikew" > wrote:

> This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.
>
> http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951
>
> "Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
> collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not
> endorse assertions made by individual faculty.
>
> "We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
> accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

Steve Jones Is Certifiable Loon, and anyone who knows him will state so,
in just those words. He isn't a Structural Enginee., He isn't an
Energetic Materials Science Chemist. He has no experience with explosives
in any way, shape or form. He is a Physics Professor with dubious
Publication History, looking to make a 'Big Splash" in the media.
When will these folks just blow away with their own Hot Air......

I thought it was strange that this guy was a physics professor. What
would a physics prof know about how the towers fell? That's the realm
of engineering. A physics prof would start the problem with "ok, assume
a zero gravity, zero atmophere environment..." ;)

-Robert,




MnMikew wrote:
> This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.
>
> http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951
>
> "Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
> collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not
> endorse assertions made by individual faculty.
>
> "We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
> accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

HankC wrote:
> wrote:
>
>>You've seen the photos of the survivors standing in the impact holes on
>>the side of the tower begging for help. How could they do that if the
>>temperatures were hot enough to 'melt steel'?
>
>
> The entire structure does not have to melt - just enough key
> components.

Nothing had to melt, just get hot enough to lose strength and yield.
With steel, this occurs well below the melting point. Hasn't anyone
ever watched a blacksmith at work?


> For a physics professor he sure seems to ignore a lot of concepts such
> as momentum, torque, leverage and conservation of energy...

And ignores common sense as well.

Matt

That story line of it "not" being the planes that brought the towers down,
is one of the BIGGEST bull **** stories ever to be printed.

IF you "watched" the towers fall, they fell from top to bottom. Straight
down (just about). IF there were "Dynamite" used - especially at the ground
floors, they would have went out first - and THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. ALSO -
you would most likely have seen implosions or adversely - walls "shattering"
"OUT" depending on how the charges were placed. That ALSO was not the case.
IF you recall, the FIRST attempt to bring the towers down WAS done with
"Explosives" placed in the garage area. Yes, it caused damage and some
injuries/deaths but as to bringing the towers down - It didn't work.

You bull **** conspiracy theorists really need to get a grip on life. THAT
was a ****ing attack on our country - pure and simple. OR "maybe" YOU were a
part of it! Trying to spin it out of the real truth!

L.


"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I thought it was strange that this guy was a physics professor. What
> would a physics prof know about how the towers fell? That's the realm
> of engineering. A physics prof would start the problem with "ok, assume
> a zero gravity, zero atmophere environment..." ;)
>
> -Robert,
>
>
>
>
> MnMikew wrote:
>> This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.
>>
>> http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951
>>
>> "Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
>> collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does
>> not
>> endorse assertions made by individual faculty.
>>
>> "We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
>> accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."
>

In article >,
"L." > wrote:

> That story line of it "not" being the planes that brought the towers down,
> is one of the BIGGEST bull **** stories ever to be printed.
>
> IF you "watched" the towers fall, they fell from top to bottom. Straight
> down (just about). IF there were "Dynamite" used - especially at the ground
> floors, they would have went out first - and THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. ALSO -
> you would most likely have seen implosions or adversely - walls "shattering"
> "OUT" depending on how the charges were placed. That ALSO was not the case.
> IF you recall, the FIRST attempt to bring the towers down WAS done with
> "Explosives" placed in the garage area. Yes, it caused damage and some
> injuries/deaths but as to bringing the towers down - It didn't work.
>
> You bull **** conspiracy theorists really need to get a grip on life. THAT
> was a ****ing attack on our country - pure and simple. OR "maybe" YOU were a
> part of it! Trying to spin it out of the real truth!


They started out with a story that it was "thermate" that brought them
down. When they found out that there is no such thing as "thermate,"
they switched the story to thermite. Now it is dynamite! If braind were
dynamite, the collective "9/11 'Truth' Movement" wouldn't ahve enough to
blow their noses!


> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >I thought it was strange that this guy was a physics professor. What
> > would a physics prof know about how the towers fell? That's the realm
> > of engineering. A physics prof would start the problem with "ok, assume
> > a zero gravity, zero atmophere environment..." ;)
> >
> > -Robert,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.
> >>
> >> http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951
> >>
> >> "Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
> >> collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does
> >> not
> >> endorse assertions made by individual faculty.
> >>
> >> "We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
> >> accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."
> >

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
>
> They started out with a story that it was "thermate" that brought them
> down. When they found out that there is no such thing as "thermate,"
> they switched the story to thermite. Now it is dynamite! If braind
> were dynamite, the collective "9/11 'Truth' Movement" wouldn't ahve
> enough to blow their noses!
>
>
I recently was in an exchange with someone who didn't keep track of his
responses.

One of his last responses to me was to say that the "explosions" could have
been every ten floors and that "They" were sloppy.
One of his last posts to another person had him saying "They" had to wire
every floor with great precision.
I quoted his response to me in that thread and he went away.

The question that popped into my mind during that exchange was "Why bother
with airplanes?"

If they could wire two they could wire two hundred. Blow up a couple, tell
the world of the other 198 then blow one a week or one every time a search
crew went in.

The recent fear of water and toothpaste (but you can carry on KY-jelly) on
planes led me to another way to bring excitement onto an airplane.

Oh cripes, if you believe that then my schlong is two feet long! There
is always some crack pot A-hole with some conspiracy song about
something. Faaaaak!
Bob


wrote:
> The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost 3,000 people
> dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading academics.
>
> Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks
> were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the
> invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.
>
> The claims have caused outrage and anger in the US which marks the
> fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks on Monday.
>
> But leading scientists say the facts of their investigations cannot be
> ignored and say they have evidence that points to one of the biggest
> conspiracies ever perpetrated. Professor Steven Jones, who lectures in
> physics at the Brigham Young University in Utah, says the official
> version of events is the biggest and most evil cover up in history.
>
> He has joined the 9/11 Scholars for Truth whose membership includes up
> to 75 leading scientists and experts from universities across the US.
>
> Prof Jones said: "We don't believe that 19 hijackers and a few others
> in a cave in Afghanistan pulled this off acting alone.
>
> "We challenge this official conspiracy theory and, by God, we're going
> to get to the bottom of this."
>
> They believe a group of US neo-conservatives called the Project for a
> New American Century, set on US world dominance, orchestrated the 9/11
> attacks as an excuse to hit Iraq, Afghanistan and later Iran.
>
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770
>
> The Demolition of the World Trade Centre Complex:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6545313046180631815
>

There was no one at the impact holes, they were on ledges.

Quit lying before we have to sew your mouth shut.



> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> | You've seen the photos of the survivors standing in the
> impact holes on
> | the side of the tower begging for help. How could they do
> that if the
> | temperatures were hot enough to 'melt steel'?
> |
>
>

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> You've seen the photos of the survivors standing in the impact holes on
> the side of the tower begging for help. How could they do that if the
> temperatures were hot enough to 'melt steel'?

Are you really so ignorant, as to ask that question? I hope not!

Doh, perhaps the fire was only at it's hottest in less than a dozen of the
over 100 floors? Once those floors collapsed, the additional weight of
these floors could not be supported by the floors beneath them.
--
Jim in NC

Ever watch those documentaries on building implosions? Notice how they
spend weeks removing fixtures, walls, etc.? And then drilling holes in
supports and walls to hold the explosives? There's a lot of work
leading up to the big event. Wouldn't someone have noticed all that
going on in the weeks before 9/11? I know there has been a lot of
discussion about not "connecting the dots" but surely someone would
have noticed that. And what about hauling in all the tons of dynamite?
Wouldn't someone have noticed that and said something? "Hey, did
someone see a big cockroach upstairs or something?"

RK Henry

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:03:12 -0400, "L." > wrote:

>That story line of it "not" being the planes that brought the towers down,
>is one of the BIGGEST bull **** stories ever to be printed.
>
>IF you "watched" the towers fall, they fell from top to bottom. Straight
>down (just about). IF there were "Dynamite" used - especially at the ground
>floors, they would have went out first - and THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. ALSO -
>you would most likely have seen implosions or adversely - walls "shattering"
>"OUT" depending on how the charges were placed. That ALSO was not the case.
>IF you recall, the FIRST attempt to bring the towers down WAS done with
>"Explosives" placed in the garage area. Yes, it caused damage and some
>injuries/deaths but as to bringing the towers down - It didn't work.
>
>You bull **** conspiracy theorists really need to get a grip on life. THAT
>was a ****ing attack on our country - pure and simple. OR "maybe" YOU were a
>part of it! Trying to spin it out of the real truth!
>
>L.
>
>
>"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>>I thought it was strange that this guy was a physics professor. What
>> would a physics prof know about how the towers fell? That's the realm
>> of engineering. A physics prof would start the problem with "ok, assume
>> a zero gravity, zero atmophere environment..." ;)
>>
>> -Robert,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> MnMikew wrote:
>>> This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.
>>>
>>> http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951
>>>
>>> "Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
>>> collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does
>>> not
>>> endorse assertions made by individual faculty.
>>>
>>> "We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
>>> accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."
>>
>

On 8 Sep 2006 05:31:52 -0700, wrote:

>Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks
>were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the
>invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.

Let's see, that would be Noam Chomsky and 74 of his friends and
acolytes?

"Cubdriver" <usenet AT danford.net> wrote in message
...
> On 8 Sep 2006 05:31:52 -0700, wrote:
>
>>Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks
>>were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the
>>invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.
>
> Let's see, that would be Noam Chomsky and 74 of his friends and
> acolytes?

I'm always amazed, and quite frankly downright frightened, when I realize
that there are actually people out here who have gone though a lifetime of
learning to achieve the qualifications necessary required to teach at a post
grad level, who are so absolutely stupid; so moronic and juvenile in their
approach to simple logic, that they not only accept lunacy like this, but
willingly feel the need to propagate this totally worthless and
intellectually vacant line of reasoning.( or lack of reasoning in this case)

A two year old child can see that the logic for such an elaborate conspiracy
is fatally flawed.
It is absolutely amazing to me that those espousing these elaborate
conspiracy theories don't have the simple common sense to realize that no
plan this big, or involving the many people that would be required to make
it work could ever be pulled off in secrecy.
The simple numbers just aren't there.
Meanwhile back at the ranch............we can all be prepared to fork up
even more college tuition money next year to feed these idiot professors,
and our kids will have the supreme privilege of working their butts off to
get high scores on their SAT's so that we can send them off for four years
of indoctrination into a world of over educated no common sense morons who
don't have the collective brains to fill a condom.
On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for doing this!!! :-)))
Dudley Henriques

Each tower had 40 huge steel columns running up the centre. If the
booms you can hear during the collapse were the floors hitting each
other and not demolition charges why were these steel columns not left
standing but found at the debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths? Why
weren't those columns standing after the floors had suposedly slid down
around them?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.thaiengineering.com/column/lesson_disaster/World_trade_center/image/wtc.jpg

911 Revisited - IT'S ALL IN THIS VIDEO:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939

Some "contractors" in Australia watched a TV program about
imploding buildings with explosives. They decided they
could do it. Their city had a large building complex that
had to come down. They bid on the contract and were the low
bidder.

Just like the people commenting here, they packed the
building with high explosives, a ton or more. Citizens came
out to watch, many were in boats on the nearby lake.

When the explosives went off, the buildings did not all fall
down, but large pieces did fly a 1/4 to half mile into the
lake and several people were killed. This proves that the
professional contractors who bring buildings down without
breaking the windows on the building next door don't use
very much explosive power, just a small charge in a critical
place.

And idiots can make silly mistakes, like hiring a contractor
who trained by watching Max eXtreme videos on TV.

I think we should all remember that the hard part of
building an atomic bomb was done in three years, between
1942 and 1945. Soon, the Muslim terrorists will have a few
bombs, particularly if the party of appeasement wins the
Congress in November. Then the next attack on an American
city can kill not just 3,000, but 300,000. I'm sure that
some kooks will present the idea that the CIA did it so we
could start another war for oil.

Names that can be looked up on the Internet...Neville
Chamberlain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Chamberlain
is perhaps the most ill-regarded British Prime Minister of
the 20th ... Chamberlain's political legacy is defined by
his dealings with and ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain - 147k -
Cached - Similar pages


Vidkun Quisling -- Norway's Benedict Arnold Quisling, Vidkun
(1887-1945), Norwegian politician, whose collaboration with
the Nazis...during World War II (1939-1945) made his name
synonymous with ...
www.mnc.net/norway/quisling.htm - 6k - Cached -
Similar pages


Vidkun Quisling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quisling
was the son of a Church of Norway priest and genealogist Jon
Lauritz ... rooted one to a more pro-Nazi and anti-Semitic
hardline policy from 1935, ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling - 30k - Cached -
Similar pages


WWII took a long time to begin, the next big war is starting
now, and it is being ignored or worse, called Bush's war,
Bush lied, Bush's war for his "oil buddies."

Maybe these people should watch all the old Star Trek shows,
one of them had a line, "the purpose of diplomacy is to
prolong the conflict." Or something like that.


"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
ink.net...
|
| "Cubdriver" <usenet AT danford.net> wrote in message
| ...
| > On 8 Sep 2006 05:31:52 -0700,
wrote:
| >
| >>Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe
the attacks
| >>were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to
justify the
| >>invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.
| >
| > Let's see, that would be Noam Chomsky and 74 of his
friends and
| > acolytes?
|
| I'm always amazed, and quite frankly downright frightened,
when I realize
| that there are actually people out here who have gone
though a lifetime of
| learning to achieve the qualifications necessary required
to teach at a post
| grad level, who are so absolutely stupid; so moronic and
juvenile in their
| approach to simple logic, that they not only accept lunacy
like this, but
| willingly feel the need to propagate this totally
worthless and
| intellectually vacant line of reasoning.( or lack of
reasoning in this case)
|
| A two year old child can see that the logic for such an
elaborate conspiracy
| is fatally flawed.
| It is absolutely amazing to me that those espousing these
elaborate
| conspiracy theories don't have the simple common sense to
realize that no
| plan this big, or involving the many people that would be
required to make
| it work could ever be pulled off in secrecy.
| The simple numbers just aren't there.
| Meanwhile back at the ranch............we can all be
prepared to fork up
| even more college tuition money next year to feed these
idiot professors,
| and our kids will have the supreme privilege of working
their butts off to
| get high scores on their SAT's so that we can send them
off for four years
| of indoctrination into a world of over educated no common
sense morons who
| don't have the collective brains to fill a condom.
| On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for
doing this!!! :-)))
| Dudley Henriques
|
|

In article . com>,
wrote:

> Each tower had 40 huge steel columns running up the centre. If the
> booms you can hear during the collapse were the floors hitting each
> other and not demolition charges why were these steel columns not left
> standing but found at the debris pile in uniform 30 foot lengths? Why
> weren't those columns standing after the floors had suposedly slid down
> around them?
>
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.thaiengineering.com/column/lesson_
> disaster/World_trade_center/image/wtc.jpg
>
> 911 Revisited - IT'S ALL IN THIS VIDEO:
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939
>

Hey Dufus, did you notice that Dr. Jones GOT FIRED, for making dubious
CLAIMS, about things he isn't qualified to comment on, ON THURSDAY????
The guy is a first class LOON......

In article >,
You > wrote:

> In article >,
> "MnMikew" > wrote:
>
> > This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.
> >
> > http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951
> >
> > "Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
> > collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does
> > not
> > endorse assertions made by individual faculty.
> >
> > "We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
> > accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."
>
> Steve Jones Is Certifiable Loon, and anyone who knows him will state so,
> in just those words. He isn't a Structural Enginee., He isn't an
> Energetic Materials Science Chemist. He has no experience with explosives
> in any way, shape or form. He is a Physics Professor with dubious
> Publication History, looking to make a 'Big Splash" in the media.
> When will these folks just blow away with their own Hot Air......

and he got FIRED, yesterday for spouting Unsupported Claims....
Does anyone else wonder why.......

You wrote:

> Hey Dufus, did you notice that Dr. Jones GOT FIRED, for making dubious
> CLAIMS, about things he isn't qualified to comment on, ON THURSDAY????
> The guy is a first class LOON......


Now I'm gaining faith in the American educational system.
A first move and a goodun !

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:42:14 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Leading scientists"??? Experts in the appropriate fields support the
>> NIST explanations -- NOT those of Jones, et. al! Jones' field of
>> expertise are: cold fusion, the journeys of Jesus Christ through the
>> Americas. He has zero experience in structures or anything else
>> relevant to the subject.
>
> You know, until this very moment I harbored a tiny hope that somehow
> there was something real about cold fusion.
>
> <sigh>
>
> I guess next you'll tell me that the Masons aren't really in charge of
> everything.

Of Course they are in charge.
fnord.

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
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>
> On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for doing this!!!
> :-)))
> Dudley Henriques

"We have seen the enemy and it is us." -- Pogo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo

I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of questions. There
seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable secrecy and many of the
facts are very disturbing.

"Reality is a thin line between denial and paranoia."
-- Author unknown, but often quoted by the 9/11 truth movement

Actually the subject line is wrong for several reasons.
Gravity brought the WTC down, just as gravity brings
everything down.


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| "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
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| > On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for
doing this!!!
| > :-)))
| > Dudley Henriques
|
| "We have seen the enemy and it is us." -- Pogo
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo
|
| I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of
questions. There
| seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable
secrecy and many of the
| facts are very disturbing.
|
| "Reality is a thin line between denial and paranoia."
| -- Author unknown, but often quoted by the 9/11 truth
movement
|
|

Private wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
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>>
>> On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for doing this!!!
>> :-)))
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> "We have seen the enemy and it is us." -- Pogo
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo
>
> I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of questions. There
> seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable secrecy
> and many of the facts are very disturbing.
Planes flew into the buildings and the top floors fell in mass on the floor
below it.
That floor collapesed and the mas fell on the floor below it.

I once watched a friend of mine break a stack of roofing tiles that was over
six feet tall with his bare hand. While he did it in one continuos motion,
he still broke only one brick at a time.

KE = 1/2 MV^2 says that once that top mass fell more than a single floor,
the building was going to come down, one floor at a time.

As for any inane ideas about wiring the floors with explosives one question
must be asked.
Why bother with planes and only two buildings when you could wire hundreds
and set them off when discovered or on a weekly basis?

"Private" > wrote in message
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> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>> On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for doing this!!!
>> :-)))
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> "We have seen the enemy and it is us." -- Pogo
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo
>
> I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of questions. There
> seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable secrecy and many of
> the facts are very disturbing.

I would agree with this on premise. Its a fair statement and presented in a
manner that indicates a reaction to this event not unlike that felt by many.
The circumstances of the incident are horrific and difficult to deal with
for ANY "man in the street".
Its one thing to have questions. Its another to accept blindly as fact, some
"theory" put out here that defies all logic, by individuals with an obvious
political agenda.
The ultimate blame for 9-11 will no doubt be in question for eternity. The
actual circumstances that brought down the buildings however is obvious to
anyone without an agenda and possessing normal powers of observation and
needs no further comment really.
This having been said, it is obvious as well that those believing the
conspiracies are most likely not going to change their opinion since the
core logic for that opinion is based on
logic outside the realm of normal reason.
Dudley Henriques

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> "Private" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>>>
>>> On second thought, maybe its US who are the idiots for doing this!!!
>>> :-)))
>>> Dudley Henriques
>>
>> "We have seen the enemy and it is us." -- Pogo
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo
>>
>> I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of questions. There
>> seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable secrecy and many of
>> the facts are very disturbing.
>
> I would agree with this on premise. Its a fair statement and presented in
> a manner that indicates a reaction to this event not unlike that felt by
> many. The circumstances of the incident are horrific and difficult to deal
> with for ANY "man in the street".
> Its one thing to have questions. Its another to accept blindly as fact,
> some "theory" put out here that defies all logic, by individuals with an
> obvious political agenda.
> The ultimate blame for 9-11 will no doubt be in question for eternity. The
> actual circumstances that brought down the buildings however is obvious to
> anyone without an agenda and possessing normal powers of observation and
> needs no further comment really.
> This having been said, it is obvious as well that those believing the
> conspiracies are most likely not going to change their opinion since the
> core logic for that opinion is based on
> logic outside the realm of normal reason.
> Dudley Henriques
>

Very well said Mr. Henriques!

--
"Anybody who deliberately propagandizes with lies should be held up to scorn
and ridicule" - Al Franken

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
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>
> "Private" > wrote in message
> news:GrMMg.523030$Mn5.299174@pd7tw3no...
>>
>> I have no answers regarding 911, but I do have a lot of questions. There
>> seems to be a lot of untruthfulness and questionable secrecy and many of
>> the facts are very disturbing.
>
> I would agree with this on premise. Its a fair statement and presented in
> a manner that indicates a reaction to this event not unlike that felt by
> many. The circumstances of the incident are horrific and difficult to deal
> with for ANY "man in the street".

> Its one thing to have questions. Its another to accept blindly as fact,
> some "theory" put out here that defies all logic, by individuals with an
> obvious political agenda.

I accept nothing regarding this matter as fact. IMHO there is a collection
of ignorance and wishful thinking on both sides of the issue. IMHO, there
are many who are attempting to use the events or to bend the truth to
justify beliefs and conclusions that were held long before it happened.
There is also no doubt that there is intentional opportunism, obfuscation,
concealment, public thought manipulation and downright lying, from both
sides of the debate. I do think it is good that the untruths are being
questioned. I do think it was a crime that the investigation was
manipulated and the forensic and other evidence was hidden and destroyed.

Just my .02

Richard Riley wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:42:14 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
> > wrote:
>
>
>>"Leading scientists"??? Experts in the appropriate fields support the
>>NIST explanations -- NOT those of Jones, et. al! Jones' field of
>>expertise are: cold fusion, the journeys of Jesus Christ through the
>>Americas. He has zero experience in structures or anything else relevant
>>to the subject.
>
>
> You know, until this very moment I harbored a tiny hope that somehow
> there was something real about cold fusion.
>
> <sigh>
>
> I guess next you'll tell me that the Masons aren't really in charge of
> everything.

That's correct. The carpenters are now in charge. Masonry is passe. :-)

Matt

In > Matt Whiting > writes:
>>
>> I guess next you'll tell me that the Masons aren't really in charge of
>> everything.

>That's correct. The carpenters are now in charge. Masonry is passe. :-)

Bringing us back to the dawn of Christianity...


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wrote:
> The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost 3,000 people
> dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading academics.
>
I had been inside all those buildings many times myself as a broadcast
engineer. I do know that the top floors of both of the tall towers had
lots of very heavy items such as massive TV transmitter plants, both
analog and new digital ones, new digital antennas for tv where being
added on the roof and also the motor structures for the upper elevators
where on the top floors.

GK