How many instruments am I allowed to use for VFR flight (for purposes
of exams)? Is it okay to use VORs to find my way, or do I have to fly
exclusively using landmarks without any radionavigation?

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"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> How many instruments am I allowed to use for VFR flight (for purposes
> of exams)? Is it okay to use VORs to find my way, or do I have to fly
> exclusively using landmarks without any radionavigation?

In case you've misplaced the link, here it is again:
http://www.faa.gov/education_research/testing/airmen/test_standards/pilot/media/FAA-S-8081-14A.pdf

Mxsmanic wrote:
> How many instruments am I allowed to use for VFR flight (for purposes
> of exams)? Is it okay to use VORs to find my way, or do I have to fly
> exclusively using landmarks without any radionavigation?



You can't use any.

both

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> How many instruments am I allowed to use for VFR flight (for purposes
> of exams)? Is it okay to use VORs to find my way, or do I have to fly
> exclusively using landmarks without any radionavigation?
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

BT writes:

> both

Well, now I have answers of none and both. One of these answers must
be incorrect.

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You can use them all.

mike

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> BT writes:
>
>> both
>
> Well, now I have answers of none and both. One of these answers must
> be incorrect.
>
> --
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It's your computer. You can use all you want.
--
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Because I fly, I envy no one.


Mxsmanic wrote:
> How many instruments am I allowed to use for VFR flight (for purposes
> of exams)? Is it okay to use VORs to find my way, or do I have to fly
> exclusively using landmarks without any radionavigation?
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Mxsmanic wrote:

All these "replies", and I can see how you are still confused. It's
been a while since my Prive checkride, but be expected to demonstrate
pilotage, dead reckoning, and use of navaids. Notice on the PTS that
both areas are listed. The reality is that it will depend on your
examiner. Most VFR cross country flight will involve some combination
of navigation skills- you have to get on that airway somehow, right? :)
On your checkride, note your time when you takeoff, and explain to the
examiner how you are getting from the runway onto course. Make all your
turns from point A to point B, and update your flight log times as you
go.This might satisy him/her that you have the skills. You are the one
planning your cross country, so make sure you know what you have
planned- examiners have a sixth sense for knowing what you don't
know,lol.
Also, there are a lot of things listed in hte PTS. You can expect that
the examiner will be lumping things together in the interest of time.
If you did everthing on the PTS individually, your checkride would last
all day. For example, they can combine a distraction with turns around
a point and evaluate how well you hold altitude all at the same time.
For my checkride, after we did the initial part of my flight plan the
examiner said that he wanted me to divert to another airport. he asked
me to figure out when and how we would get there, and to make it
happen. I was allowed to use everthing available to me- my charts,
navaids, but most importantly my training and common sense. I guessing
this will be the part where your pilotage and dead reckoning skills
will be most handy. They just want to make sure you are safe up there.
Hope this helps. Good luck and have fun on the checkride!

"Cirrus" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> All these "replies", and I can see how you are still confused...
> Hope this helps. Good luck and have fun on the checkride!

Just to clarify: Mx has said repeatedly that he has no intention of ever
flying a plane (even for a single intro flight, let alone a checkride).
Hence, the terse replies to his question.

--Gary

"Cirrus" > wrote in news:1162658435.179038.141140
@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> All these "replies", and I can see how you are still confused. It's
> been a while since my Prive checkride,

Cirrus,

Check out the posting history of Mx. You will see very quickly

A. He has never flown a plane
B. Never plans to fly a plane

Save your quality replies for those that will fully appreciate your input.

Allen

In article >,
A Lieberma > wrote:

> Cirrus,
>
> Check out the posting history of Mx. You will see very quickly
>
> A. He has never flown a plane
> B. Never plans to fly a plane

C. is a troll

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Mxsmanic wrote:

> BT writes:
>
>
>>both
>
>
> Well, now I have answers of none and both. One of these answers must
> be incorrect.

One of them is.

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:45:47 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

>> both
>
>Well, now I have answers of none and both. One of these answers must
>be incorrect.

well, the correct answer is 42.

as always.


#m
--
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... because a President says so ...

>
> Save your quality replies for those that will fully appreciate your input.
>
> Allen

Allen and others,

Thanks for thinking of me :)
I had no idea that this guy was going to waste my info. That was 10
minutes I could have spent doing something else...I'm new in these
forums, so thanks guys!

Cirrus writes:

> All these "replies", and I can see how you are still confused. It's
> been a while since my Prive checkride, but be expected to demonstrate
> pilotage, dead reckoning, and use of navaids. Notice on the PTS that
> both areas are listed.

I looked in the FAA guide and it didn't unconfuse me much.

Flying for any distance with just landmarks or by dead reckoning would
be extremely awkward and potentially tiring (especially for dead
reckoning). I use something similar to that in many VFR flights, but
I still resort to VORs. With VORs you can mentally figure out things
and plot your course without having to do much in the way of
calculation. For example, in my last flight this afternoon I just
looked at the sectional and saw that when I was about 23 miles west of
the Imperial VOR on its 255 radial, I could turn to 295° towards the
Julian VOR and go northwest on the latter's 115 radial. No calculator
needed for that. Doing it by landmarks would be a lot more
troublesome.

> The reality is that it will depend on your
> examiner. Most VFR cross country flight will involve some combination
> of navigation skills- you have to get on that airway somehow, right? :)
> On your checkride, note your time when you takeoff, and explain to the
> examiner how you are getting from the runway onto course. Make all your
> turns from point A to point B, and update your flight log times as you
> go.This might satisy him/her that you have the skills. You are the one
> planning your cross country, so make sure you know what you have
> planned- examiners have a sixth sense for knowing what you don't
> know,lol.

Are examiners smarter than instructors? Are examiners experienced
pilots, or just bureaucrats, or what?

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Gary Drescher writes:

> Just to clarify: Mx has said repeatedly that he has no intention of ever
> flying a plane (even for a single intro flight, let alone a checkride).
> Hence, the terse replies to his question.

How does that change the answer?

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"Cirrus" > wrote in
oups.com:

> Thanks for thinking of me :)
> I had no idea that this guy was going to waste my info. That was 10
> minutes I could have spent doing something else...I'm new in these
> forums, so thanks guys!

Not a problem. Keep contributing *smile* as there are pleny (like myself)
that do appreciate the time spend.

Now if I survive the cost of my current annual and get back in the air
myself.... The ugly word of corrosion came up.....

Allen

Don't sweat it Jamie. If you're at all interested in the psychology of human
behavior, the whole thing...the postings and the answers to the postings
are a hoot and a half :-)
The best way to handle it is simply to lay back and watch in the background.
It actually makes my day really. I know many of the people who post here
from many years of exposure to their personalities and their knowledge of
aviation, which in many cases is quite extensive. The fun part is to watch
the thread start, then from simply viewing the names of those who respond,
take a mental shot at what the responders will be saying BEFORE looking at
the response. I'm getting quite good at it. My wife (the psychologist) is
REALLY good at it.
I have to admit however in my defense, that she so far is two "dinners at
the Outback"and a bottle of Jack Daniels down :-))))
Dudley Henriques


"Cirrus" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>
>>
>> Save your quality replies for those that will fully appreciate your
>> input.
>>
>> Allen
>
> Allen and others,
>
> Thanks for thinking of me :)
> I had no idea that this guy was going to waste my info. That was 10
> minutes I could have spent doing something else...I'm new in these
> forums, so thanks guys!
>

I love the replies that point out how MX is such a waste of time, while if
you did a count of the posts, a vast majority of them do nothing more than
jump down MX's throat. Talk about a waste of time.

But you're definitely right...it is entertaining. And I've even figured out
how to make my filters work.;-)

mike

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Don't sweat it Jamie. If you're at all interested in the psychology of
> human behavior, the whole thing...the postings and the answers to the
> postings are a hoot and a half :-)
> The best way to handle it is simply to lay back and watch in the
> background.
> It actually makes my day really. I know many of the people who post here
> from many years of exposure to their personalities and their knowledge of
> aviation, which in many cases is quite extensive. The fun part is to watch
> the thread start, then from simply viewing the names of those who respond,
> take a mental shot at what the responders will be saying BEFORE looking at
> the response. I'm getting quite good at it. My wife (the psychologist) is
> REALLY good at it.
> I have to admit however in my defense, that she so far is two "dinners at
> the Outback"and a bottle of Jack Daniels down :-))))

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
>>"Cirrus" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>>> All these "replies", and I can see how you are still confused...
>>> Hope this helps. Good luck and have fun on the checkride!
>>>
>> Just to clarify: Mx has said repeatedly that he has no intention of ever
>> flying a plane (even for a single intro flight, let alone a checkride).
>> Hence, the terse replies to his question.
>
> How does that change the answer?

It changes the motivation to provide an answer. Your wording gave the
impression that you have an impending checkride, thus tricking a helpful
person into spending time assisting you with it.

It IS amazing :-) I can't for the life of me figure out what makes some of
the answering posters so publicly angry with him. He's been here long enough
for everyone to get a good look at exactly what's going on.....at least it
seems clear enough to me, but I might be missing something the others are
catching. Hell, all people have to do is avoid him. You open your
reader.....he's there.....you move on to brighter pastures. I just don't get
all this "plonking" and "engagement" with him. He's posted under me several
times. I just move on to something more interesting....like watching the cat
sleep......or counting the threads in the hall carpet.....you know, more
exciting stuff like that. :-)
Those who answer him with useful information HAVE to notice the lack of
reciprocal appreciation for their time and effort....and this would be for
those he doesn't take on from a "superior knowledge base" after they answer
him :-)
Either he's a outright troll, or the most unappreciative and obnoxious
person I've ever come across on Usenet :-))
The real interesting thing in all this is that if he approached the people
on these groups in a different manner, I know from my own experience
watching aviation people over time, (not to mention being one of these
people myself) that as a group, they would never put down someone coming
here from a flight simulation venue to ask intelligent and pertinent real
world questions. This group just isn't that crass a bunch of folks. Hell, if
anything, most of the real world pilots on these groups would bend over
backwards to help someone who approached them in a friendly and appreciative
manner.
Anyway...for whatever the reason......its "been good for my appetite. I won
another "Outback Steak tonight!!!! :-))
Dudley Henriques

"mike regish" > wrote in message
. ..
>I love the replies that point out how MX is such a waste of time, while if
>you did a count of the posts, a vast majority of them do nothing more than
>jump down MX's throat. Talk about a waste of time.
>
> But you're definitely right...it is entertaining. And I've even figured
> out how to make my filters work.;-)
>
> mike
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Don't sweat it Jamie. If you're at all interested in the psychology of
>> human behavior, the whole thing...the postings and the answers to the
>> postings are a hoot and a half :-)
>> The best way to handle it is simply to lay back and watch in the
>> background.
>> It actually makes my day really. I know many of the people who post here
>> from many years of exposure to their personalities and their knowledge of
>> aviation, which in many cases is quite extensive. The fun part is to
>> watch the thread start, then from simply viewing the names of those who
>> respond, take a mental shot at what the responders will be saying BEFORE
>> looking at the response. I'm getting quite good at it. My wife (the
>> psychologist) is REALLY good at it.
>> I have to admit however in my defense, that she so far is two "dinners at
>> the Outback"and a bottle of Jack Daniels down :-))))
>
>

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
:
> Hell, all people have to do
> is avoid him. You open your reader.....he's there.....you move on to
> brighter pastures.

Dudley,

The above is the approach I have been taking just to do my part on
reducing the noise level.

I figure if we collectively "ignore him", then he will go away.

> Those who answer him with useful information HAVE to notice the lack
> of
> reciprocal appreciation for their time and effort....and this would be
> for those he doesn't take on from a "superior knowledge base" after
> they answer him :-)
> Either he's a outright troll, or the most unappreciative and obnoxious
> person I've ever come across on Usenet :-))

The problem is that new comers like Jamie spent 10 minutes of his time
not knowing that Mx is trolling. So, my avenue of contributing will be
to let new comers know he is not a pilot and has no intention of flying a
real plane. And ignore the rest of the noise level. And I will never
directly reply to his postings, that's my commitment :-)

> This group just isn't that crass a
> bunch of folks. Hell, if anything, most of the real world pilots on
> these groups would bend over backwards to help someone who approached
> them in a friendly and appreciative manner.

You are absolutely right Dudley. The problem I have is that Mx is taking
simming to a unhealthy level. Asking questions like it's a life and
death situation when it's only a computer game. The way the questions
are presented, one would think he was flying a real plane, and the
answers are given accordingly. If his intent was to progress into the
real world of flight, I'd be first in line to help out, but when he goes
on the pretense it's real world in a sim world, that raised my dander.

> Anyway...for whatever the reason......its "been good for my appetite.
> I won another "Outback Steak tonight!!!! :-))

Dang, gonna have to watch those weight and balances are you not :-)

Allen

Gary Drescher writes:

> It changes the motivation to provide an answer.

Why?

> Your wording gave the impression that you have an impending
> checkride, thus tricking a helpful person into spending time
> assisting you with it.

I didn't say anything about an impending checkride, and readers have
their own interpretations, over which I have no control. And some
people may be willing to provide answers with or without an impending
checkride. Others just spend their time attacking their fellow human
beings.

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"A Lieberma" > wrote in message
. 18...
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
> :
>> Hell, all people have to do
>> is avoid him. You open your reader.....he's there.....you move on to
>> brighter pastures.
>
> Dudley,
>
> The above is the approach I have been taking just to do my part on
> reducing the noise level.
>
> I figure if we collectively "ignore him", then he will go away.

Its a shame really. There's a world of good information on these groups for
someone with a good attitude. For someone as seemingly interested in flight
simmimg as this person is, to lose that to a bad attitude is just plain
tragic.
>
>> Those who answer him with useful information HAVE to notice the lack
>> of
>> reciprocal appreciation for their time and effort....and this would be
>> for those he doesn't take on from a "superior knowledge base" after
>> they answer him :-)
>> Either he's a outright troll, or the most unappreciative and obnoxious
>> person I've ever come across on Usenet :-))
>
> The problem is that new comers like Jamie spent 10 minutes of his time
> not knowing that Mx is trolling. So, my avenue of contributing will be
> to let new comers know he is not a pilot and has no intention of flying a
> real plane. And ignore the rest of the noise level. And I will never
> directly reply to his postings, that's my commitment :-)

I wouldn't make any extra effort to do that aside from the occasional post
like this one that deals with him in a peripheral manner with a 3rd party.
Its just not worth your time really.
>
>> This group just isn't that crass a
>> bunch of folks. Hell, if anything, most of the real world pilots on
>> these groups would bend over backwards to help someone who approached
>> them in a friendly and appreciative manner.
>
> You are absolutely right Dudley. The problem I have is that Mx is taking
> simming to a unhealthy level. Asking questions like it's a life and
> death situation when it's only a computer game. The way the questions
> are presented, one would think he was flying a real plane, and the
> answers are given accordingly. If his intent was to progress into the
> real world of flight, I'd be first in line to help out, but when he goes
> on the pretense it's real world in a sim world, that raised my dander.

Well...as some others have so correctly pointed out, some people only have a
simulator and can't fly for various reasons; but that's no excuse for
someone with this character's attitude
:-)
All these people have to do is approach a group like this one in a friendly
non-confrontational manner and they'll have pilots from students to CFI's
all over them trying to be of some help.
One thing's for sure. If this one's a troll, he's nailed a ton of otherwise
smart people, and if he's not a troll and just someone sincerely interested
in aviation, what he's done here is a tragedy of wasted time...both
his......and the groups'.
>
>> Anyway...for whatever the reason......its "been good for my appetite.
>> I won another "Outback Steak tonight!!!! :-))
>
> Dang, gonna have to watch those weight and balances are you not :-)
>
> Allen

That's the good thing about being retired. I don't have to fit into that
smaltsy flight suit with all the sponsor's patches on it any more. If I
guess what the poster answering him is going to say accurately enough, my
wife has to take me out to dinner. If I miss, I have to pay!! Tonight, its
an Outback Steak for me compliments of my wife and Bob Noel!!! :-)))
Dudley Henriques

Mxsmanic wrote:
> How many instruments am I allowed to use for VFR flight (for purposes
> of exams)? Is it okay to use VORs to find my way, or do I have to fly
> exclusively using landmarks without any radionavigation?

You need to know how to use all those methods. Expect to have an
examiner or instructor disable various instruments so don't rely on
just one method. DeadRec and Pilotage are still required to be taught
for the private PTS as well.

-Robert, CFII

Cirrus wrote:
> Thanks for thinking of me :)
> I had no idea that this guy was going to waste my info. That was 10
> minutes I could have spent doing something else...I'm new in these
> forums, so thanks guys!

Your info wasn't wasted. I'm sure there were plenty of readers who
found something of interest in what you wrote, and appreciated it.

Never let anyone tell you whom to answer or not. All good posts aid
someone somewhere, sometime.

Kev

> Tonight, its
> an Outback Steak for me compliments of my wife and Bob Noel!!!

Seems like more interesting than the replies is your scorecard. Care to
share?

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose > wrote in news:5J83h.1578$vP1.1221
@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

> Seems like more interesting than the replies is your scorecard. Care to
> share?

Let me guess, Dudley and his wife would be betting on who would be the
first one to ask the above question. *cheshire grin*

Allen

The examiners that I have encountered are pilots - very good pilots - and
caring. They want us to succeed in each check ride. If things don't go well,
they are more likely to instruct than fold their burearcratic arms.

As for flying VFR... dead reckoning in the real world is easier than in a
sim. Landmarks are much more apparent and useful.

The approach is to plot a course using a sectional - including calculating a
magnetic heading that compensates for wind etc. Fly that heading and verify
your position using landmarks every 15 minutes or so. Don't fly to the next
landmark visually, correct your heading and fly that.

To your question of what instruments to use, it depends on what you are
trying to demonstrate. FAA PTS requires that you demonstrate the ability to
dead reckon as well as navigate using electronic navaids.

So, for dead reckoning, you need only the basic instruments to control the
plane, a clock and a magnetic compass. A directional gyro is also permitted
but you need to be adjusting it correctly with reference to the compass.

A VOR is the most basic instrument for using navaids. If that is all the
plane has, that is all you need to use. Typically, you are expected to
demonstrate mastery of any instrument in the plane.

--
-------------------------------
Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK
"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Cirrus writes:
>
>> All these "replies", and I can see how you are still confused. It's
>> been a while since my Prive checkride, but be expected to demonstrate
>> pilotage, dead reckoning, and use of navaids. Notice on the PTS that
>> both areas are listed.
>
> I looked in the FAA guide and it didn't unconfuse me much.
>
> Flying for any distance with just landmarks or by dead reckoning would
> be extremely awkward and potentially tiring (especially for dead
> reckoning). I use something similar to that in many VFR flights, but
> I still resort to VORs. With VORs you can mentally figure out things
> and plot your course without having to do much in the way of
> calculation. For example, in my last flight this afternoon I just
> looked at the sectional and saw that when I was about 23 miles west of
> the Imperial VOR on its 255 radial, I could turn to 295° towards the
> Julian VOR and go northwest on the latter's 115 radial. No calculator
> needed for that. Doing it by landmarks would be a lot more
> troublesome.
>
>> The reality is that it will depend on your
>> examiner. Most VFR cross country flight will involve some combination
>> of navigation skills- you have to get on that airway somehow, right? :)
>> On your checkride, note your time when you takeoff, and explain to the
>> examiner how you are getting from the runway onto course. Make all your
>> turns from point A to point B, and update your flight log times as you
>> go.This might satisy him/her that you have the skills. You are the one
>> planning your cross country, so make sure you know what you have
>> planned- examiners have a sixth sense for knowing what you don't
>> know,lol.
>
> Are examiners smarter than instructors? Are examiners experienced
> pilots, or just bureaucrats, or what?
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

"Jose" > wrote in message
m...
>> Tonight, its an Outback Steak for me compliments of my wife and Bob
>> Noel!!!
>
> Seems like more interesting than the replies is your scorecard. Care to
> share?

Tonight makes two dinners at Outback.....one on the Natalie's, and the other
on Bob Noel. The bottle of Jack Daniels is compliments of Blanche.....God
bless Blanche!!!! :-))
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote:
> Those who answer him with useful information HAVE to notice the lack of
> reciprocal appreciation for their time and effort....and this would be
> for those he doesn't take on from a "superior knowledge base" after
> they answer him :-)
> Either he's a outright troll, or the most unappreciative and obnoxious
> person I've ever come across on Usenet :-))

To be fair, a quick Google Groups search indicates that he has thanked
several posters for answering his questions:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/0a3551ecbaa51afb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/5da6c8a5c18b196d
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/61d3b0be6732ace2
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.student/msg/b4828677c1ff2f71

Also note that mxsmanic was posting to the rec.aviation.* groups at least as
far back as 2002, though using a different e-mail address but the same
handle.

I also noted the following from Google Groups:

From June 1998 to June 2005, he appears to have posted over 58,000 messages
across 443 newsgroups under a hotmail.com account.
From June 2005 to present, he appears to have posted over 12,000 messages
across 114 newsgroups under his current account.
(That's appears to be an average of 20 to 25 posts a day.)

He therefore should not be considered a neophyte poster. I also stumbled
across e-mail from him to at least one IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force)
mailing list. His opinionated postings there did not appear to be always well
received.

In article >,
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote:

> wife has to take me out to dinner. If I miss, I have to pay!! Tonight, its
> an Outback Steak for me compliments of my wife and Bob Noel!!! :-)))

Hey, glad I could help.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

He should by all means be given credit for every positive response he has
given to those answering him.
I see you mention "several" here, which is definitely a positive. On the
other hand, I see he has posted some 70,000 messages across 557 newsgroups
ranging between June of 1998 and the present. Let me see here........excuse
me while I do the math :-)))
Seriously, I could be mistaken but I think he might do a lot better if he
upped that "several" figure just a bit higher :-))
Dudley Henriques

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote:
>> Those who answer him with useful information HAVE to notice the lack of
>> reciprocal appreciation for their time and effort....and this would be
>> for those he doesn't take on from a "superior knowledge base" after
>> they answer him :-)
>> Either he's a outright troll, or the most unappreciative and obnoxious
>> person I've ever come across on Usenet :-))
>
> To be fair, a quick Google Groups search indicates that he has thanked
> several posters for answering his questions:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/0a3551ecbaa51afb
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/5da6c8a5c18b196d
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/61d3b0be6732ace2
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.student/msg/b4828677c1ff2f71
>
> Also note that mxsmanic was posting to the rec.aviation.* groups at least
> as
> far back as 2002, though using a different e-mail address but the same
> handle.
>
> I also noted the following from Google Groups:
>
> From June 1998 to June 2005, he appears to have posted over 58,000
> messages
> across 443 newsgroups under a hotmail.com account.
> From June 2005 to present, he appears to have posted over 12,000 messages
> across 114 newsgroups under his current account.
> (That's appears to be an average of 20 to 25 posts a day.)
>
> He therefore should not be considered a neophyte poster. I also stumbled
> across e-mail from him to at least one IETF (Internet Engineering Task
> Force)
> mailing list. His opinionated postings there did not appear to be always
> well
> received.

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote:
>
>> wife has to take me out to dinner. If I miss, I have to pay!! Tonight,
>> its
>> an Outback Steak for me compliments of my wife and Bob Noel!!! :-)))
>
> Hey, glad I could help.

You're welcome. Actually, when it comes to competing with my wife, I'm not
right all that often
:-)
Now if I can just pass up on ordering that damn tasty bloomin onion
thing.................... :-))
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
:

> Now if I can just pass up on ordering that damn tasty bloomin onion
> thing.................... :-))

Then order some coconut shrimp for me :-))

Allen

"A Lieberma" > wrote in message
. 18...
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Now if I can just pass up on ordering that damn tasty bloomin onion
>> thing.................... :-))
>
> Then order some coconut shrimp for me :-))
>
> Allen

Now you've done it......now I'm REALLY hungry. I'll probably end up with the
damn onion thing AND the shrimp!! :-)
DH

The ribeye with shrimp on the side.



"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
|
| "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
| . 18...
| > "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
| > :
| >
| >> Now if I can just pass up on ordering that damn tasty
bloomin onion
| >> thing.................... :-))
| >
| > Then order some coconut shrimp for me :-))
| >
| > Allen
|
| Now you've done it......now I'm REALLY hungry. I'll
probably end up with the
| damn onion thing AND the shrimp!! :-)
| DH
|
|

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote:
> He should by all means be given credit for every positive response he
> has given to those answering him.
> I see you mention "several" here, which is definitely a positive. On
> the other hand, I see he has posted some 70,000 messages across 557
> newsgroups ranging between June of 1998 and the present. Let me see
> here........excuse me while I do the math :-)))

Frankly I did more "research" on his posting count than I normally would
have cared to devote to a non-aviation topic (thankfully Google Group's
search mechanisms and poster "Profiles" makes such research easy). But the
meta-topic keeps coming up, so I thought I'd check into it.

> Seriously, I could be mistaken but I think he might do a lot better if
> he upped that "several" figure just a bit higher :-))

I agree. There is other advice one may offer to him, but unless it is
solicited, I don't think it would be taken. But that's just human nature, I
think.

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote:
>> He should by all means be given credit for every positive response he
>> has given to those answering him.
>> I see you mention "several" here, which is definitely a positive. On
>> the other hand, I see he has posted some 70,000 messages across 557
>> newsgroups ranging between June of 1998 and the present. Let me see
>> here........excuse me while I do the math :-)))
>
> Frankly I did more "research" on his posting count than I normally would
> have cared to devote to a non-aviation topic (thankfully Google Group's
> search mechanisms and poster "Profiles" makes such research easy). But the
> meta-topic keeps coming up, so I thought I'd check into it.
>
>> Seriously, I could be mistaken but I think he might do a lot better if
>> he upped that "several" figure just a bit higher :-))
>
> I agree. There is other advice one may offer to him, but unless it is
> solicited, I don't think it would be taken. But that's just human nature,
> I
> think.

Yes; human nature is indeed a strange thing.....interesting though!!
:-))
Dudley Henriques

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...
> The ribeye with shrimp on the side.

Is there ANYTHING on the Outback menu that's not tasty? If there is, I
haven't seen it yet :-)
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
:

> Either he's a outright troll, or the most unappreciative and obnoxious
> person I've ever come across on Usenet :-))

I think the latter. I just have trouble believing that someone who was
REALLY a troll would continue to use the same handle for so many years on
all of the various newsgroups where he trolls.

They've been calling his number since 2000. Although I found a post from
1998 which seems to predate his troll-like activities. It was even posted
using his real first name.

A very good description of his tactics was posted in 2004 here:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?C2C022A1E

They call him a troll there, but I think he is just some sort of manic
depressive schizophrenic. He desperately seeks validation and uses his
sophistry to get it, at least in his own mind.

If you google MXSManic in Google Newsgroups, you will get a pretty thorough
listing of the various newsgroups where he has been bashed over the years,
including sci.med, soc.men, alt.support.diet, alt.support.shyness,
rec.travel.air, alt.os.linux-slackware, rec.roller-coaster, and others.

Of course I shouldn't leave this one out, from alt.games.microsoft.flight-
sim: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A20132A1E

Hi again guys,
So I just looked through the 40 replies that this guy got started. I
have to admit to feeling like I fell for his game. I thought a real
student was looking for some help on a checkride. But that aside, I've
also seen a lot of what makes me so proud to be a pilot in all of this.
I think pilots really are (as many of you pointed out) concerned about
their fellow aviators out there. We are a close knit, but hugely
extended family. I can fly to a strange FBO, and never having met a
pilot, ask him/her where to get a cheap meal or find some oil. I
remember one time I met a pilot that got stuck at my FBO. I was heading
up to practice some maneuvers, so I offered to drop him off at his
airport 80 miles away- nothing expected in return. I know lots of
pilots with stories like this. And far from being elitists, I think any
of us REALLY like helping eachother- whether it's answering student
questions, simmer questions, or telling the guy in final to watch out
for the ducks that you nearly hit on the runway a few minutes ago. I'm
glad to have gotten a chance to "meet" a lot of you today, so thanks
again. Today mxsmaniac is that duck sitting on the end of the
runway....

I look forward to answering and asking more questions in the future.
And if I ever put my foot in my mouth, just know no that it's never on
purpose :)

"Cirrus" > wrote in oups.com:

> I think pilots really are (as many of you pointed out) concerned about
> their fellow aviators out there. We are a close knit, but hugely
> extended family. I can fly to a strange FBO, and never having met a
> pilot, ask him/her where to get a cheap meal or find some oil. I
> remember one time I met a pilot that got stuck at my FBO. I was heading
> up to practice some maneuvers, so I offered to drop him off at his
> airport 80 miles away- nothing expected in return. I know lots of
> pilots with stories like this. And far from being elitists, I think any
> of us REALLY like helping eachother- whether it's answering student
> questions, simmer questions, or telling the guy in final to watch out
> for the ducks that you nearly hit on the runway a few minutes ago. I'm
> glad to have gotten a chance to "meet" a lot of you today, so thanks
> again. Today mxsmaniac is that duck sitting on the end of the
> runway....

Very well written Cirrus.

I made a long post on "Why do I fly" a couple of months ago. Check out

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.aviation.student/browse_frm/thread/b48e4c56ab01f1ea/7f74582207b32acc#7f74582207b32acc

You will see that we are indeed a close knit bunch of people.

> I look forward to answering and asking more questions in the future.
> And if I ever put my foot in my mouth, just know no that it's never on
> purpose :)

Who knows how many times I ate toe jam in newsgroups :-)

No biggie, pick up the pieces and move on, and most importantly learn from it.

Allen

You might very well have it nailed correctly. If this is his issue, it makes
it all the more a shame.
I know more than one simulator pilot who has come into the real aviation
venue successfully and gained wide acceptance because of their friendly
approach and constant quest for knowledge. Its so easy to be appreciative
and friendly.
The strange thing is that he actually asks some very intelligent questions
hidden in all that nastiness of his. The obvious thing is that he believes
before he asks them, that he knows more of the answer than the one he will
get.....and mostly he's wrong; so he loses.........and in a way, those who
engage him lose as well, since in many cases the only thing that's advanced
is the level of angst. Oh well........what is it they say...........that's
Usenet!!!! :-)
Dudley Henriques

"Judah" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Either he's a outright troll, or the most unappreciative and obnoxious
>> person I've ever come across on Usenet :-))
>
> I think the latter. I just have trouble believing that someone who was
> REALLY a troll would continue to use the same handle for so many years on
> all of the various newsgroups where he trolls.
>
> They've been calling his number since 2000. Although I found a post from
> 1998 which seems to predate his troll-like activities. It was even posted
> using his real first name.
>
> A very good description of his tactics was posted in 2004 here:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?C2C022A1E
>
> They call him a troll there, but I think he is just some sort of manic
> depressive schizophrenic. He desperately seeks validation and uses his
> sophistry to get it, at least in his own mind.
>
> If you google MXSManic in Google Newsgroups, you will get a pretty
> thorough
> listing of the various newsgroups where he has been bashed over the years,
> including sci.med, soc.men, alt.support.diet, alt.support.shyness,
> rec.travel.air, alt.os.linux-slackware, rec.roller-coaster, and others.
>
> Of course I shouldn't leave this one out, from alt.games.microsoft.flight-
> sim: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A20132A1E

"Cirrus" > wrote in message
oups.com...

> I look forward to answering and asking more questions in the future.
> And if I ever put my foot in my mouth, just know no that it's never on
> purpose :)

Like I always told people who were checking out in T6's and P51's; its ok to
put your foot in your mouth once in a while. Just make sure its the LEFT
foot!!! You might need the other one in a hurry someday :-))
Dudley Henriques

> Just make sure its the LEFT
> foot!!! You might need the other one

What does the right foot control on a T6 or P51?

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

I don't like coconut, but Shrimp on the Barbie, with their
home-made bread is a meal.

If you like Italian, Carrabba's is great.

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"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| ...
| > The ribeye with shrimp on the side.
|
| Is there ANYTHING on the Outback menu that's not tasty? If
there is, I
| haven't seen it yet :-)
| Dudley Henriques
|
|

rudder because the common accident is a "torque roll" or
another, leaving the runway, stage left.



"Jose" > wrote in message
m...
|> Just make sure its the LEFT
| > foot!!! You might need the other one
|
| What does the right foot control on a T6 or P51?
|
| Jose
| --
| "Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you
can't see where
| it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry
Potter).
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

if it is in the airplane.. you are expected to know how to use it
for "exams"
BT

"Newps" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> BT writes:
>>
>>
>>>both
>>
>>
>> Well, now I have answers of none and both. One of these answers must
>> be incorrect.
>
> One of them is.
>

> their fellow aviators out there. We are a close knit, but hugely
> extended family. I can fly to a strange FBO, and never having met a
> pilot, ask him/her where to get a cheap meal or find some oil. I
> remember one time I met a pilot that got stuck at my FBO. I was heading
> up to practice some maneuvers, so I offered to drop him off at his
> airport 80 miles away- nothing expected in return. I know lots of
> pilots with stories like this. And far from being elitists, I think any

Yes, well said. I experienced this 2 weeks ago when my airplane
wouldn't start on a nice sunny day and had to be taken down for
maintenence. I was getting my things out of the plane and heading out
to the parking lot when a Dutch pilot in the lounge who had come all
the way from Europe to build hours for an ATP asked me if he wanted to
go fly with him. I was thrilled and it really made my day as he took me
on a long cross country to Harris Ranch and on the way back showed me
how to do an ILS approach at Modesto [this is in Northern CA]. I had no
idea about instrument approaches before this and it was really cool
when he asked me to look out front when we were at decision height at
Modesto. We were lined up perfectly for 28R! I got to fly free with a
stranger for 4hrs and also got my first taste of instrument flight, how
cool is that!

BT writes:

> if it is in the airplane.. you are expected to know how to use it
> for "exams"

But are you always _allowed_ to use it? I know how to use all the
instruments I have, but navigating without some of them might be
difficult.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
:

> You might very well have it nailed correctly. If this is his issue, it
> makes it all the more a shame.
> I know more than one simulator pilot who has come into the real aviation
> venue successfully and gained wide acceptance because of their friendly
> approach and constant quest for knowledge. Its so easy to be
> appreciative and friendly.
> The strange thing is that he actually asks some very intelligent
> questions hidden in all that nastiness of his. The obvious thing is that
> he believes before he asks them, that he knows more of the answer than
> the one he will get.....and mostly he's wrong; so he loses.........and
> in a way, those who engage him lose as well, since in many cases the
> only thing that's advanced is the level of angst. Oh well........what is
> it they say...........that's Usenet!!!! :-)
> Dudley Henriques

Yeah, it is quite a shame. I think he is fairly intelligent, but his
emotional disconnection with reality is more powerful. I've met people who
are like this "in real life" too. I used to manage one. He was a very
talented programmer. The team was able to work out how to deal with him for
the most part, but in the end, he was invited to find work elsewhere, and he
became someone else's problem.

Like you say... That's Usenet...

"Jose" > wrote in message
m...
>> Just make sure its the LEFT foot!!! You might need the other one
>
> What does the right foot control on a T6 or P51?

Left turning tendencies are quite high in powerful tailwheel airplanes.
Actually, the T6 can get a bit hairy for BOTH feet on the rollout after
landing. :-)
The 51, the F8F and the P47 are fairly stable on landings but can keep you
on your right foot a bit on takeoff.
Dudley Henriques

We have a Carrabba's near the house. Been there many times. Great food.
D

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
...
>I don't like coconut, but Shrimp on the Barbie, with their
> home-made bread is a meal.
>
> If you like Italian, Carrabba's is great.
>
> Carrabba's Italian Grill Carrabba's Italian Grill. Website
> includes menu, locator and gift cards.
> www.carrabbas.com/ - 12k - Cached - Similar pages
>
>
> Carrabba's Italian Grill Carrabba's serves fresh,
> flavorful Italian dishes prepared from the finest ...
> Carrabba's Italian Grill, in cooperation with the Gluten
> Intolerance Group®, ...
> www.carrabbas.com/menu.asp - 20k - Cached - Similar
> pages
> [ More results from www.carrabbas.com ]
>
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | "Jim Macklin" > wrote
> in message
> | ...
> | > The ribeye with shrimp on the side.
> |
> | Is there ANYTHING on the Outback menu that's not tasty? If
> there is, I
> | haven't seen it yet :-)
> | Dudley Henriques
> |
> |
>
>

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The ribeye with shrimp on the side.
>
> Is there ANYTHING on the Outback menu that's not tasty? If there is, I
> haven't seen it yet :-)
> Dudley Henriques
>
>
It might be a bit pricey, but the filet mignon with a sweet potato is
KILLER! :)

--
Mike

Hence the training we get on flight planning, ded reckoning, etc.

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> BT writes:
>
> > if it is in the airplane.. you are expected to know how to use it
> > for "exams"
>
> But are you always _allowed_ to use it? I know how to use all the
> instruments I have, but navigating without some of them might be
> difficult.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

you don't need any isnturments to navigate..
its called pilotage.. all you need is your BRAIN
BT

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> BT writes:
>
>> if it is in the airplane.. you are expected to know how to use it
>> for "exams"
>
> But are you always _allowed_ to use it? I know how to use all the
> instruments I have, but navigating without some of them might be
> difficult.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

"BT" > wrote in :

> you don't need any isnturments to navigate..
> its called pilotage.. all you need is your BRAIN
> BT

Or reboot the computer and start over if the brain fails to engage.

Allen

BT writes:

> you don't need any isnturments to navigate..
> its called pilotage.. all you need is your BRAIN

A lot of pilots died in the days before instruments. That's why they
are there now.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

> Love of technology is fine, but the default way of VFR navigation is
> without instruments, just compass and a map. If you want to do it
> "properly", do it that way. I googled up this tutorial, it's actually
> aimed at flight simmers:
>
> http://stoenworks.com/Tutorials/Navigation%20tutorial.html

Looking through it, it seems to tell me mostly things that I already
know. It does define RNAV, though, which I had never gotten around to
looking up; it turns out that it simply describes something that I was
already doing more than a decade ago.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> A lot of pilots died in the days before instruments. That's why they
> are there now.

I can't tell you how many lives were saved by the invention of the valve
trombone. Trying to reach 7th position on a slide in a typical GA cockpit
so often resulted in loss of control.

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

> Then you shouldn't have problems navigating without instruments, as you
> said earlier, because it's all explained in there. It's the first
> chapter only.

The methods are simple. Carrying them out in the real world is very
tedious and awkward. I used to do it, but I don't do it much anymore.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Roy Smith > wrote:
>Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> A lot of pilots died in the days before instruments. That's why they
>> are there now.
>
>I can't tell you how many lives were saved by the invention of the valve
>trombone. Trying to reach 7th position on a slide in a typical GA cockpit
>so often resulted in loss of control.

(*spit*)
And another choc shake all over the keyboard....

Perhaps MX deserves his own entry/warning in the FAQ?

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>"Jose" > wrote in message
>>> Tonight, its an Outback Steak for me compliments of my wife and Bob
>>> Noel!!!
>>
>> Seems like more interesting than the replies is your scorecard. Care to
>> share?
>
>Tonight makes two dinners at Outback.....one on the Natalie's, and the other
>on Bob Noel. The bottle of Jack Daniels is compliments of Blanche.....God
>bless Blanche!!!! :-))
>Dudley Henriques

Me? What did I do? Not me! I wasn't even there! Never saw anything!
And I have iron clad alibi, too!

Carraba's and Outback have the same parent company. Notice that
they frequently (not all the time) share parking lots.

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>He should by all means be given credit for every positive response he has
>given to those answering him.
>I see you mention "several" here, which is definitely a positive. On the
>other hand, I see he has posted some 70,000 messages across 557 newsgroups
>ranging between June of 1998 and the present. Let me see here........excuse
>me while I do the math :-)))

557 newsgroups?

He's not a troll. He has a serious problem that far exceeds anything
I've ever seen! Talk about addicted to newsgroups....

70K+ messages?

Gadzooks, how on earth does he have time to sim? That works out to
24 per day, assuming every day. What about food - no, wait. He eats
at the sim or the computer. Sleep? Work? Live social contact that
doesn't involve a sim or a computer?

"Blanche" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>He should by all means be given credit for every positive response he has
>>given to those answering him.
>>I see you mention "several" here, which is definitely a positive. On the
>>other hand, I see he has posted some 70,000 messages across 557 newsgroups
>>ranging between June of 1998 and the present. Let me see
>>here........excuse
>>me while I do the math :-)))
>
> 557 newsgroups?
>
> He's not a troll. He has a serious problem that far exceeds anything
> I've ever seen! Talk about addicted to newsgroups....
>
> 70K+ messages?
>
> Gadzooks, how on earth does he have time to sim? That works out to
> 24 per day, assuming every day. What about food - no, wait. He eats
> at the sim or the computer. Sleep? Work? Live social contact that
> doesn't involve a sim or a computer?

I'm not absolutely sure, but he might be living proof that sex with a
computer is actually possible.
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> "Jose" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>>Tonight, its an Outback Steak for me compliments of my wife and Bob
>>>Noel!!!
>>
>>Seems like more interesting than the replies is your scorecard. Care to
>>share?
>
>
> Tonight makes two dinners at Outback.....one on the Natalie's, and the other
> on Bob Noel. The bottle of Jack Daniels is compliments of Blanche.....God
> bless Blanche!!!! :-))
> Dudley Henriques
>
>
How did we get you the dinner?! I have to stop marking whole threads
read, but when MX shows up I tend to leave.

Margy

Cirrus > wrote:
>Hi again guys,

[snip lots of good thoughts]

>again. Today mxsmaniac is that duck sitting on the end of the
>runway....

I need to ask my brother where he stored his shotgun....

I think you might have been out on the field putting cans under the Navion
to collect all that hydraulic fluid while this was going on :-)
Ron answered one of Mx's posts and I told my wife what he was going to say
to Mx before we opened the response. Walla!!! One Outback steak for my
side!! :-)
Dudley Henriques


"Margy Natalie" > wrote in message
m...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> "Jose" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>
>>>>Tonight, its an Outback Steak for me compliments of my wife and Bob
>>>>Noel!!!
>>>
>>>Seems like more interesting than the replies is your scorecard. Care to
>>>share?
>>
>>
>> Tonight makes two dinners at Outback.....one on the Natalie's, and the
>> other on Bob Noel. The bottle of Jack Daniels is compliments of
>> Blanche.....God bless Blanche!!!! :-))
>> Dudley Henriques
> How did we get you the dinner?! I have to stop marking whole threads
> read, but when MX shows up I tend to leave.
>
> Margy

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> The methods are simple. Carrying them out in the real world is very
> tedious and awkward. I used to do it, but I don't do it much anymore.

Better go see a doctor my friend. You are very dillusional in that you
can't tell the difference between the real world or a sim world when you
say "I used to do it and don't do it much anymore". YOUR WORDS, not mine.

And this folks is why we need NOT TO RESPOND to him, and warn new people
not to fall into his trap of thinking they are helping a fellow pilot.

This guy is worse then a tooth ache.

Allen

Blanche > wrote in news:1162764840.751135
@irys.nyx.net:

> I need to ask my brother where he stored his shotgun....

Tell him in the gun cabinet. I haven't had good duck in some time.....

And Outback don't have duck on their menu *cheshire grin*

Allen

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
>I just move on to something more interesting....like watching the cat
>sleep......or counting the threads in the hall carpet.....you know, more
>exciting stuff like that. :-)

I sell carpet for a living. Are you having a go at carpets Dudley?!?! ;-)
hehe
Oz/Crash Lander

A Lieberma writes:

> Better go see a doctor my friend. You are very dillusional in that you
> can't tell the difference between the real world or a sim world when you
> say "I used to do it and don't do it much anymore". YOUR WORDS, not mine.

This type of navigation requires neither simulator nor aircraft. It's
all paper and rulers, and a calculator or slide rule sometimes.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I just move on to something more interesting....like watching the cat
>>sleep......or counting the threads in the hall carpet.....you know, more
>>exciting stuff like that. :-)
>
> I sell carpet for a living. Are you having a go at carpets Dudley?!?! ;-)
> hehe
> Oz/Crash Lander

Well, I can't say I've ever flown one, but hell.....I'll give them a try
:-)))))
Dudley

In article >,
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote:

> I think you might have been out on the field putting cans under the Navion
> to collect all that hydraulic fluid while this was going on :-)
> Ron answered one of Mx's posts and I told my wife what he was going to say
> to Mx before we opened the response. Walla!!! One Outback steak for my
> side!! :-)
> Dudley Henriques

<confusion> is that your game? guessing posts before reading them?
Is it any posts, or just specific ones?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:24:49 -0500, "Dudley Henriques" >
wrote:

>> I sell carpet for a living. Are you having a go at carpets Dudley?!?! ;-)
>> hehe
>> Oz/Crash Lander
>
>Well, I can't say I've ever flown one, but hell.....I'll give them a try

You might just wait until N61FC comes up for sale, then...

Ron "Look it up" Wanttaja

I don't have a "game". The ongoing "thing" with this Mx character has just
gotten so boring, that guessing what specific people will say in reply to
him based on experience with their individual online personnas and/or
personalities has just added a bit of humor to the way we use Usenet around
our house.
Dudley Henriques

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote:
>
>> I think you might have been out on the field putting cans under the
>> Navion
>> to collect all that hydraulic fluid while this was going on :-)
>> Ron answered one of Mx's posts and I told my wife what he was going to
>> say
>> to Mx before we opened the response. Walla!!! One Outback steak for my
>> side!! :-)
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> <confusion> is that your game? guessing posts before reading them?
> Is it any posts, or just specific ones?
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> Looking for a sig the
> lawyers will hate
>

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:24:49 -0500, "Dudley Henriques"
> >
> wrote:
>
>>> I sell carpet for a living. Are you having a go at carpets Dudley?!?!
>>> ;-)
>>> hehe
>>> Oz/Crash Lander
>>
>>Well, I can't say I've ever flown one, but hell.....I'll give them a try
>
> You might just wait until N61FC comes up for sale, then...

Of course there's always Snoopy's doghouse to try as well.
DH

On 11/05/06 14:22, A Lieberma wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
>> The methods are simple. Carrying them out in the real world is very
>> tedious and awkward. I used to do it, but I don't do it much anymore.
>
> Better go see a doctor my friend. You are very dillusional in that you
> can't tell the difference between the real world or a sim world when you
> say "I used to do it and don't do it much anymore". YOUR WORDS, not mine.

Hey, Allen. How many times are you going to stop responding to him?

>
> And this folks is why we need NOT TO RESPOND to him, and warn new people
> not to fall into his trap of thinking they are helping a fellow pilot.

Most people are smart enough to figure that out on their own, aren't they?

>
> This guy is worse then a tooth ache.
>
> Allen

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
>"Blanche" > wrote in message
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>>He should by all means be given credit for every positive response he has
>>>given to those answering him.
>>>I see you mention "several" here, which is definitely a positive. On the
>>>other hand, I see he has posted some 70,000 messages across 557 newsgroups
>>>ranging between June of 1998 and the present. Let me see
>>>here........excuse
>>>me while I do the math :-)))
>>
>> 557 newsgroups?
>>
>> He's not a troll. He has a serious problem that far exceeds anything
>> I've ever seen! Talk about addicted to newsgroups....
>>
>> 70K+ messages?
>>
>> Gadzooks, how on earth does he have time to sim? That works out to
>> 24 per day, assuming every day. What about food - no, wait. He eats
>> at the sim or the computer. Sleep? Work? Live social contact that
>> doesn't involve a sim or a computer?
>
>I'm not absolutely sure, but he might be living proof that sex with a
>computer is actually possible.

NASA, UVA, et al should be proud that all these years of R&D efforts
into Virtual Reality have a practical use -- Virtual Sex. It
really is an entirely new aspect of simming.....

A Lieberma > wrote:
>Blanche > wrote in news:1162764840.751135

>> I need to ask my brother where he stored his shotgun....
>
>Tell him in the gun cabinet. I haven't had good duck in some time.....
>
>And Outback don't have duck on their menu *cheshire grin*

"So be kind to your fair, feathered friends,
For a duck may be somebody's mother...."

Mark Hansen > wrote in
:

> Hey, Allen. How many times are you going to stop responding to him?

You are right Mark, I sure ain't a'behavin, but sure can't stand stupid
stuff. Hey, I did control myself and didn't respond to his even more
ludicrous response.

> Most people are smart enough to figure that out on their own, aren't
> they?

Well, newbies may not know, so I'd figure to throw that extra paragraph
in....

Honestly, will keep trying to behave :-)

Gettign back on topic, will be at the airport Monday to see what's the
final verdict on the corrosion on my plane. Hopefully they will be able to
fix it up without further ado so I can get the annual signed off and back
in the air!

Allen

Blanche > wrote in news:1162782252.429093
@irys.nyx.net:

> A Lieberma > wrote:
>>Blanche > wrote in news:1162764840.751135
>
>>> I need to ask my brother where he stored his shotgun....
>>
>>Tell him in the gun cabinet. I haven't had good duck in some time.....
>>
>>And Outback don't have duck on their menu *cheshire grin*
>
> "So be kind to your fair, feathered friends,
> For a duck may be somebody's mother...."

So are you suggesting I eat crow???? *bigger cheshire grin*

"Blanche" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>
>>"Blanche" > wrote in message
>>> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>>>He should by all means be given credit for every positive response he
>>>>has
>>>>given to those answering him.
>>>>I see you mention "several" here, which is definitely a positive. On the
>>>>other hand, I see he has posted some 70,000 messages across 557
>>>>newsgroups
>>>>ranging between June of 1998 and the present. Let me see
>>>>here........excuse
>>>>me while I do the math :-)))
>>>
>>> 557 newsgroups?
>>>
>>> He's not a troll. He has a serious problem that far exceeds anything
>>> I've ever seen! Talk about addicted to newsgroups....
>>>
>>> 70K+ messages?
>>>
>>> Gadzooks, how on earth does he have time to sim? That works out to
>>> 24 per day, assuming every day. What about food - no, wait. He eats
>>> at the sim or the computer. Sleep? Work? Live social contact that
>>> doesn't involve a sim or a computer?
>>
>>I'm not absolutely sure, but he might be living proof that sex with a
>>computer is actually possible.
>
> NASA, UVA, et al should be proud that all these years of R&D efforts
> into Virtual Reality have a practical use -- Virtual Sex. It
> really is an entirely new aspect of simming.....

I'm sitting here laughing like hell trying to visualize just what kind of
hardware one would have to upgrade into to make THIS work!!! :-)))
Dudley Henriques

In article >,
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote:

> I don't have a "game". The ongoing "thing" with this Mx character has just
> gotten so boring, that guessing what specific people will say in reply to
> him based on experience with their individual online personnas and/or
> personalities has just added a bit of humor to the way we use Usenet around
> our house.
> Dudley Henriques

hmmm. Since I killfilled it in 2002, I'm now confused as to how
I helped you get a meal at Outback, unless the guessing includes
posts about it, not just replies to it.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote:
> "Blanche" > wrote:
>> NASA, UVA, et al should be proud that all these years of R&D efforts
>> into Virtual Reality have a practical use -- Virtual Sex. It
>> really is an entirely new aspect of simming.....
>
> I'm sitting here laughing like hell trying to visualize just what kind
> of hardware one would have to upgrade into to make THIS work!!! :-)))

Well, um, I believe the British science fiction TV comedy series "Red
Dwarf" had such hardware in one of its episodes. If I recall correctly,
Lister (the last living human in the universe) wore a crotch unit while
playing a virtual reality game, which he allegedly wore out. ;-)

You broke the code.
I guessed you for an add on negative to another post in this thread (not by
Mx) and just happened to luck out for a steak!!
DH


"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote:
>
>> I don't have a "game". The ongoing "thing" with this Mx character has
>> just
>> gotten so boring, that guessing what specific people will say in reply to
>> him based on experience with their individual online personnas and/or
>> personalities has just added a bit of humor to the way we use Usenet
>> around
>> our house.
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> hmmm. Since I killfilled it in 2002, I'm now confused as to how
> I helped you get a meal at Outback, unless the guessing includes
> posts about it, not just replies to it.
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> Looking for a sig the
> lawyers will hate
>

"mike regish" > wrote in message
...
> You can use them all.
>
> mike

And sometimes none of them.

>
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> BT writes:
>>
>>> both
>>
>> Well, now I have answers of none and both. One of these answers must
>> be incorrect.
>>
>> --
>> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>
>

"BT" > wrote in message
...
> you don't need any isnturments to navigate..
> its called pilotage.. all you need is your BRAIN
> BT

That's the show stopper for him.

>
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>> BT writes:
>>
>>> if it is in the airplane.. you are expected to know how to use it
>>> for "exams"
>>
>> But are you always _allowed_ to use it? I know how to use all the
>> instruments I have, but navigating without some of them might be
>> difficult.
>>
>> --
>> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>
>

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Gary Drescher writes:
>
>> Just to clarify: Mx has said repeatedly that he has no intention of ever
>> flying a plane (even for a single intro flight, let alone a checkride).
>> Hence, the terse replies to his question.
>
> How does that change the answer?
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

You asked a simulated question and got simulated answers. Next.

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Now if I can just pass up on ordering that damn tasty bloomin onion
> thing.................... :-))

Their towamba (sp?) pasta is pretty good... Used to be better though... They
used to put crawfish in it also... Now, it's just shrimp... Not sure if it's
worth going out there and putting up with the local place's crappy
ventilation system that allows the non-smokers to be poisoned by the smokers
though... Oh well, their loss...

In article >,
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote:

> You broke the code.
> I guessed you for an add on negative to another post in this thread (not by
> Mx) and just happened to luck out for a steak!!

You should add points for difficulty. I mean, come on, that I have a low
opinion of trolls is trivially easy for anyone to determine.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Martin Hotze wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:45:47 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> >> both
> >
> >Well, now I have answers of none and both. One of these answers must
> >be incorrect.
>
> well, the correct answer is 42.
>
> as always.
>
>
> #m
> --
> Enemy Combatant <http://itsnotallbad.com/>
> ... because a President says so ...
What was the question, again?
-Kees.

On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 03:50:58 +0000, Jim Logajan wrote:

> If I recall correctly,
> Lister (the last living human in the universe) wore a crotch unit while
> playing a virtual reality game, which he allegedly wore out. ;-)

This is unclear. Did he wear out:

* crotch unit,
* game, or
* crotch

?

- Andrew (not sure he wants to know the answer)

Two, one for each eye. I find that generally works well.

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> How many instruments am I allowed to use for VFR flight (for purposes
> of exams)? Is it okay to use VORs to find my way, or do I have to fly
> exclusively using landmarks without any radionavigation?
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Andrew Gideon > wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 03:50:58 +0000, Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>> If I recall correctly,
>> Lister (the last living human in the universe) wore a crotch unit while
>> playing a virtual reality game, which he allegedly wore out. ;-)
>
> This is unclear. Did he wear out:
>
> * crotch unit,
> * game, or
> * crotch

Crotch unit.

>
> ?
>
> - Andrew (not sure he wants to know the answer)

Ah, the old "Ask, but please don't tell" policy. ;-)

On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:16:34 +0000, Jim Logajan wrote:

> Ah, the old "Ask, but please don't tell" policy. ;-)

Right, something exactly like that. Sometimes I have to ask, and then
find myself fearing the answer.

<Laugh>

- Andrew

"A Lieberma" > wrote

> Gettign back on topic, will be at the airport Monday to see what's the
> final verdict on the corrosion on my plane. Hopefully they will be able to
> fix it up without further ado so I can get the annual signed off and back
> in the air!

Perhaps I missed it (for obvious reasons) but where 'bouts did they find the
corrosion, and how much?
--
Jim in NC

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote

> Well, I can't say I've ever flown one, but hell.....I'll give them a try
> :-)))))

Isn't there a semi-famous warbird (don't remember which kind) that has a name
and nose art something like "magic carpet?"

I could just be imagining it, but it would be a good name!
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" > wrote in
:

> Perhaps I missed it (for obvious reasons) but where 'bouts did they
> find the corrosion, and how much?

Just aft of the pilot side door, on the fuselage. There was paint bubbling
up, which I had thought was just a poor job in the paint. A little
scraping, and sure enough, corrosion. Interesting enough, not in a place
where water can sit, and on the inside, I don't have any leaks where the
spot is.

Well turns out, corosion X, primer and paint will fix it, but I now have a
cylinder problem to deal with (I posted this to rec.aviation.owning).

500 hours after a major overhaul, hard to believe I am talking about a
cylinder with low compressions.

Ah, the pains of ownership..... which will melt away once I get airworthy
:-)

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:
> 500 hours after a major overhaul, hard to believe I am talking about a
> cylinder with low compressions.
>
> Ah, the pains of ownership..... which will melt away once I get airworthy



Better to be finding out about this now instead of over Asheville one dark
night. Consider it a gift.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

I thought this reply was great, even though the initial poster might
not need the information, he isn't the only one reading. I appreciated
the insight so the time was not wasted
Thank You.



Cirrus wrote:
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> All these "replies", and I can see how you are still confused. It's
> been a while since my Prive checkride, but be expected to demonstrate
> pilotage, dead reckoning, and use of navaids. Notice on the PTS that
> both areas are listed. The reality is that it will depend on your
> examiner. Most VFR cross country flight will involve some combination
> of navigation skills- you have to get on that airway somehow, right? :)
> On your checkride, note your time when you takeoff, and explain to the
> examiner how you are getting from the runway onto course. Make all your
> turns from point A to point B, and update your flight log times as you
> go.This might satisy him/her that you have the skills. You are the one
> planning your cross country, so make sure you know what you have
> planned- examiners have a sixth sense for knowing what you don't
> know,lol.
> Also, there are a lot of things listed in hte PTS. You can expect that
> the examiner will be lumping things together in the interest of time.
> If you did everthing on the PTS individually, your checkride would last
> all day. For example, they can combine a distraction with turns around
> a point and evaluate how well you hold altitude all at the same time.
> For my checkride, after we did the initial part of my flight plan the
> examiner said that he wanted me to divert to another airport. he asked
> me to figure out when and how we would get there, and to make it
> happen. I was allowed to use everthing available to me- my charts,
> navaids, but most importantly my training and common sense. I guessing
> this will be the part where your pilotage and dead reckoning skills
> will be most handy. They just want to make sure you are safe up there.
> Hope this helps. Good luck and have fun on the checkride!

I think there was a General back in WW2 who had something in nose art about
a magic carpet on his airplane. It was a Gooney Bird if I remember, but
can't be sure.
Sounds like a name like that would be too good to pass up on :-))
Dudley

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote
>
>> Well, I can't say I've ever flown one, but hell.....I'll give them a try
>> :-)))))
>
> Isn't there a semi-famous warbird (don't remember which kind) that has a
> name and nose art something like "magic carpet?"
>
> I could just be imagining it, but it would be a good name!
> --
> Jim in NC

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in
:

> Better to be finding out about this now instead of over Asheville one
> dark night. Consider it a gift.

You're not hearing me complaining when it was discovered, that you can be
rest assured having one fail in flight 3500 feet and 15 miles from
destination prior to my overhaul!

I told my wife, that plane is safer then both of our cars for all that is
checked out during the annual :-)

Alllen

Mxsmanic wrote:
> How many instruments am I allowed to use for VFR flight


Both of them.

- J.O.-