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They were returning to Ankeny, IA, after a day business trip. Reports
of engine trouble preceded the crash.

Very sad.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2931503E
>
> They were returning to Ankeny, IA, after a day business trip. Reports
> of engine trouble preceded the crash.
>
> Very sad.

Once again, the second engine takes the twin to the site of the crash. Why do
twins continue to crash with an engine failure, from a low altitude airport, in
cool temperatures? Where is the twin reliability and survivability that the two
engines are supposed to give?

It doesn't make sense.
--
Jim in NC

I have never flown a T303. That is the Crusader I'm thinking of? But I
have heard they were underpowered so I would not expect too much single
engine capability. Still a great looking airplane.

John

Jay Honeck wrote:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2931503E
>
> They were returning to Ankeny, IA, after a day business trip. Reports
> of engine trouble preceded the crash.
>
> Very sad.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

That is sad. I was expecting to read about a plane landing on a road
like the Piper in France.

Ron Lee

Morgans > wrote:

> Once again, the second engine takes the twin to the site of the crash. Why do
> twins continue to crash with an engine failure, from a low altitude airport, in
> cool temperatures? Where is the twin reliability and survivability that the two
> engines are supposed to give?

The USA Today article mentions fog at the time of the crash so perhaps
engine failure was not the cause. You might need to wait until more facts
come out before jumping to that conclusion.


--
Peter

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Morgans > wrote:
>
>> Once again, the second engine takes the twin to the site of the crash. Why
>> do
>> twins continue to crash with an engine failure, from a low altitude airport,
>> in
>> cool temperatures? Where is the twin reliability and survivability that the
>> two
>> engines are supposed to give?
>
> The USA Today article mentions fog at the time of the crash so perhaps
> engine failure was not the cause. You might need to wait until more facts
> come out before jumping to that conclusion.

OK, I had not seen where weather was any factor.
--
Jim in NC

In article >, "Morgans" >
wrote:

> Once again, the second engine takes the twin to the site of the crash. Why
> do
> twins continue to crash with an engine failure, from a low altitude airport,
> in
> cool temperatures? Where is the twin reliability and survivability that the
> two
> engines are supposed to give?

successful one engine out landings in a twin are non-events.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

In article >,
"Morgans" > wrote:

> Where is the twin reliability and survivability that the two
> engines are supposed to give?

It isn't the airplane's capabilities, its the pilot's.

On 2006-11-14, Morgans > wrote:
> Once again, the second engine takes the twin to the site of the crash.
<snip where is supposed safety>

This is because we don't hear about any of the successful single engine
landings.

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Morgans wrote:
Where is the twin reliability
> and survivability that the two engines are supposed to give?
>

Gone with forgotten skills. Recurrent training, and currency
requirements are pretty lax.

> Where is the twin reliability
>> and survivability that the two engines are supposed to give?
>>
>
> Gone with forgotten skills. Recurrent training, and currency requirements are
> pretty lax.

I would think a charter company would have it's pilots up to snuff on currency,
and recurrent training, and up to the challenge of an engine out, even on
takeoff.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
>> Where is the twin reliability
>>
>>> and survivability that the two engines are supposed to give?
>>>
>>
>> Gone with forgotten skills. Recurrent training, and currency
>> requirements are pretty lax.
>
>
> I would think a charter company would have it's pilots up to snuff on
> currency, and recurrent training, and up to the challenge of an engine
> out, even on takeoff.
Here's the pilots information. Wife was quoted as he was flying these
folks as a favor. Not a legal charter.



Name : TREWET, JOHN MITCHELL
Airman's Address : 2508 CHESTNUT ST
ATLANTIC, IA, 50022-2523
FAA Region : Central
Date of Medical : Feb, 2005
Class of Medical : 2
Expiration of Class 2 : Feb, 2006
Airman Certificates : Private Pilot
Airplane Single and Multi Engine Land
Instrument Airplane

"Margy Natalie" > wrote

> Here's the pilots information. Wife was quoted as he was flying these folks
> as a favor. Not a legal charter.

Oooh, that was not a part of the news story. (surprise, surprise)

Not to make light of the situation, but if the pilot wasn't dead, he would be in
big trouble with the FAA, I think.

I'll wait for more of the investigation to become public. I won't be surprised
to see that the weather was below what he might have been comfortable with, but
was under pressure to "get-there-itis."
--
Jim in NC

Jim,
Go back to Jay's link, there are more recent articles linked on the left
hand side. I was actually amazed at the effort that went into the article
about the pilot not having a commercial cert.
JimB

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...
> Jim,
> Go back to Jay's link, there are more recent articles linked on the left
> hand side. I was actually amazed at the effort that went into the article
> about the pilot not having a commercial cert.

My newsreader suddenly purged all of this group's past posts. It has never done
anything like that before, so I think I might have accidentally unsubscribed, or
something.

I know I could google, (I always seem to screw up googling groups) but do you
think you could post that link again, for me? (in a little, little
ce) -please- ??
--
Jim in NC (begging just a little)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2931503E

There ya go :)
Jim

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim Burns" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jim,
> > Go back to Jay's link, there are more recent articles linked on the left
> > hand side. I was actually amazed at the effort that went into the
article
> > about the pilot not having a commercial cert.
>
> My newsreader suddenly purged all of this group's past posts. It has never
done
> anything like that before, so I think I might have accidentally
unsubscribed, or
> something.
>
> I know I could google, (I always seem to screw up googling groups) but do
you
> think you could post that link again, for me? (in a little, little
> ce) -please- ??
> --
> Jim in NC (begging just a little)
>

"Jim Burns" > wrote

> http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2931503E
>
> There ya go :)
> Jim

Thaaaanksss! :-)
--
Jim in NC