Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay? Your
thoughts?

http://www.aerobid.net

wrote:

> Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay?

No.


Your
> thoughts?

In order for there to be an auction there has to be stuff up for auction.

On Apr 3, 12:24 pm, Newps > wrote:
> wrote:
> > Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay?
>
> No.
>
> Your
>
> > thoughts?
>
> In order for there to be an auction there has to be stuff up for auction.

Well we could use something like this :-) eBay is like Walmart - has
a lot of stuff but does not specialize in things like aviation. I
just noticed that these guys launched the site a few days ago. I will
give them a shot - got some airplane parts I will list along with a
few flight sims. Hopefully with the right marketing they can get a
lot of traffic and users there. eBay was probably like that back in
1995 lol I mean - I never heard of them until 1999...

There have been several aviation auction sites in the last 10 years.
One was quite active as ebay was still getting known. ebay is not
Walmart, ebay actually has everything.




wrote:

> On Apr 3, 12:24 pm, Newps > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>
>>>Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay?
>>
>>No.
>>
>> Your
>>
>>
>>>thoughts?
>>
>>In order for there to be an auction there has to be stuff up for auction.
>
>
> Well we could use something like this :-) eBay is like Walmart - has
> a lot of stuff but does not specialize in things like aviation. I
> just noticed that these guys launched the site a few days ago. I will
> give them a shot - got some airplane parts I will list along with a
> few flight sims. Hopefully with the right marketing they can get a
> lot of traffic and users there. eBay was probably like that back in
> 1995 lol I mean - I never heard of them until 1999...
>

On Apr 3, 1:45 pm, Newps > wrote:
> There have been several aviation auction sites in the last 10 years.
> One was quite active as ebay was still getting known. ebay is not
> Walmart, ebay actually has everything.
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > On Apr 3, 12:24 pm, Newps > wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> >>>Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay?
>
> >>No.
>
> >> Your
>
> >>>thoughts?
>
> >>In order for there to be an auction there has to be stuff up for auction.
>
> > Well we could use something like this :-) eBay is like Walmart - has
> > a lot of stuff but does not specialize in things like aviation. I
> > just noticed that these guys launched the site a few days ago. I will
> > give them a shot - got some airplane parts I will list along with a
> > few flight sims. Hopefully with the right marketing they can get a
> > lot of traffic and users there. eBay was probably like that back in
> > 1995 lol I mean - I never heard of them until 1999...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Interesting. Please don't get me wrong here - I like eBay but have
found their aviation related auctions to under represent the overall
GA community. There are for example 100,000 general aviation planes
in the U.S. alone. You will be lucky if you find 100 or so listed on
eBay... I hope that AeroBid brings aviation enthusiasts together in
the same way print publications like Trade-a-Plane have done for many
decades...

wrote:


>
> Interesting. Please don't get me wrong here - I like eBay but have
> found their aviation related auctions to under represent the overall
> GA community. There are for example 100,000 general aviation planes
> in the U.S. alone. You will be lucky if you find 100 or so listed on
> eBay... I hope that AeroBid brings aviation enthusiasts together in
> the same way print publications like Trade-a-Plane have done for many
> decades...

Nobody with a brain buys a plane at auction unless it's salvage.

On Apr 3, 2:09 pm, Newps > wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > Interesting. Please don't get me wrong here - I like eBay but have
> > found their aviation related auctions to under represent the overall
> > GA community. There are for example 100,000 general aviation planes
> > in the U.S. alone. You will be lucky if you find 100 or so listed on
> > eBay... I hope that AeroBid brings aviation enthusiasts together in
> > the same way print publications like Trade-a-Plane have done for many
> > decades...
>
> Nobody with a brain buys a plane at auction unless it's salvage.

I beg to differ. I know of several people that have gotten planes
from eBay. They actually visited the buyer in person before bidding.
It is better than buying from a classified ad as there is a chance you
may snatch a really good deal. Afterall if you can't afford to visit a
buyer and inspect an airplane - you should not be considering a
purchase anyway. :-) I am a huge fan of Trade-a-Plane and Aero Trader
but hope that a site like AeroBid may offer better deals on planes,
parts and service. Only time will tell... There are no listing fees
on that site (just reading their fee structure) - that is a good thing
considering eBay charges listing fees...

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay? Your
> thoughts?

Forgive me if I am wrong, but this smells like thinly-disguised spam to me.
Whoever you are, if you think that spam is a great addition to your business
model, then I predict a very short, unhappy life for your enterprise.

Vaughn

wrote:
>
> I beg to differ. I know of several people that have gotten planes
> from eBay. They actually visited the buyer in person before bidding.
> It is better than buying from a classified ad as there is a chance you
> may snatch a really good deal. Afterall if you can't afford to visit a
> buyer and inspect an airplane - you should not be considering a
> purchase anyway. :-) I am a huge fan of Trade-a-Plane and Aero Trader
> but hope that a site like AeroBid may offer better deals on planes,
> parts and service. Only time will tell... There are no listing fees
> on that site (just reading their fee structure) - that is a good thing
> considering eBay charges listing fees...
>

I agree... Ebay opens up a huge market of potential buyers for
your plane. If you post good photos, provide detailed information
about the plane you are likely to generate more interest. I have
seen quite a few planes on Ebay that appear very attractive.

As with any other venue for selling aircraft, it is up to
the buyer to inspect the plane in person before making a
committment.

Even if Ebay charges listing fees, it is a great way to
advertise your plane... to a whole lot of people.

On Apr 3, 2:42 pm, "Vaughn Simon" >
wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay? Your
> > thoughts?
>
> Forgive me if I am wrong, but this smells like thinly-disguised spam to me.
> Whoever you are, if you think that spam is a great addition to your business
> model, then I predict a very short, unhappy life for your enterprise.
>
> Vaughn

Would you make the same accusation if you met me in person? I just
want your honest opinion about eBay vs. niche auction sites... That
is all - no need to get paranoid on me...

Newps wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay?
>
> No.
>
>
> Your
>> thoughts?
>
> In order for there to be an auction there has to be stuff up for
> auction.

I agree with Newps. It doesn't have a chance. But the way to prove me wrong
is take an aviation related item and post it on both and see which site
sells it for the most.

spcek, you compare Ebay to Wal-Mart and to a certain extent that is true.
I'd be willing to bet that even the big aviation products dealers, like
Sporty's would crap their pants if they heard that Wal-Mart was going to
start an aviation products department and there wouldn't be an independent
FBO left standing if they opened Wal-Mart FBOs accross the country.

On Apr 3, 3:41 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
wrote:
> Newps wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> >> Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay?
>
> > No.
>
> > Your
> >> thoughts?
>
> > In order for there to be an auction there has to be stuff up for
> > auction.
>
> I agree with Newps. It doesn't have a chance. But the way to prove me wrong
> is take an aviation related item and post it on both and see which site
> sells it for the most.
>
> spcek, you compare Ebay to Wal-Mart and to a certain extent that is true.
> I'd be willing to bet that even the big aviation products dealers, like
> Sporty's would crap their pants if they heard that Wal-Mart was going to
> start an aviation products department and there wouldn't be an independent
> FBO left standing if they opened Wal-Mart FBOs accross the country.

The reason I mentioned Wal-Mart was because one time I suggested my
cousin to get some hunting supplies there.
He laughed at me stating that you don't go to Wal-Mart for that. You
go to a specialized store that deals with hunting/fishing
products. I am applying the same logic here. Sure, everyone has
heard of Wal-Mart and eBay but what about countless mom and pap
shops. Is specialization a good thing at all? Not to deviate from
the topic, but as a customer I don't always want the cheapest and most
accessible. I want the best from a huge selection. Look at Trade-a-
Plane. I actually pay for that :-)

wrote:
> On Apr 3, 3:41 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
> wrote:
>> Newps wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay?
>>
>>> No.
>>
>>> Your
>>>> thoughts?
>>
>>> In order for there to be an auction there has to be stuff up for
>>> auction.
>>
>> I agree with Newps. It doesn't have a chance. But the way to prove
>> me wrong is take an aviation related item and post it on both and
>> see which site sells it for the most.
>>
>> spcek, you compare Ebay to Wal-Mart and to a certain extent that is
>> true. I'd be willing to bet that even the big aviation products
>> dealers, like Sporty's would crap their pants if they heard that Wal-
>> Mart was going to start an aviation products department and there
>> wouldn't be an independent FBO left standing if they opened Wal-Mart
>> FBOs accross the country.
>
> The reason I mentioned Wal-Mart was because one time I suggested my
> cousin to get some hunting supplies there.
> He laughed at me stating that you don't go to Wal-Mart for that. You
> go to a specialized store that deals with hunting/fishing
> products. I am applying the same logic here. Sure, everyone has
> heard of Wal-Mart and eBay but what about countless mom and pap
> shops. Is specialization a good thing at all? Not to deviate from
> the topic, but as a customer I don't always want the cheapest and most
> accessible. I want the best from a huge selection. Look at Trade-a-
> Plane. I actually pay for that :-)


But when you are talking about an auction site (it doesn't matter if you are
talking about aviation or BeanyBabies) you are in fact trying to save money
or find something that you can't find locally. If it is the later then the
larger the forum the better chance you have of finding it. If you aren't you
just go to a retailer and pay full retail.

And your cousin is just being a snob. I'll bet Wal-Mart sells more hunting
and fishing supplies than any other two retailers combined.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Would you make the same accusation if you met me in person?

Based on what I know so far...yes.

Vaughn

wrote:
>
>Would you make the same accusation if you met me in person? I just
>want your honest opinion about eBay vs. niche auction sites... That
>is all - no need to get paranoid on me...

I would. You've already posted this same thing three times today. I
don't think you want our opinion that badly.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Message posted via http://www.aviationkb.com

On Apr 3, 6:43 pm, "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote:
> wrote:
>
> >Would you make the same accusation if you met me in person? I just
> >want your honest opinion about eBay vs. niche auction sites... That
> >is all - no need to get paranoid on me...
>
> I would. You've already posted this same thing three times today. I
> don't think you want our opinion that badly.
>
> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>
> --
> Message posted viahttp://www.aviationkb.com

>From all three forums (General Aviation, Student Pilot, Piloting)
where I have posted my question I have gathered the following info:

1. In order for a niche auction site to compete with eBay it has to
have high volume of traffice, lot of auctions and lower prices. Is
competition even the right term here? In fact this scenario (while a
bit hard to imagine at first) is doable as many niche sites continue
to exist based on the fact that people like specialized communities
much like this forum.
2. Comparing niche auction and eBay as comparing apples to oranges.
There are millions of auctions on eBay but realistically, aviation or
any other specialized auction type represent a small number. A
specialized auction site much like a specialized store in real life
draws enthusiasts and people who appreciate great choices and fair
prices. An example would be Best Buy vs. Micro Center if we were to
talk about computer hardware and software... Specialization can be a
good thing from both the consumer and business owner point of few.
3. Trade-a-Plane is a wonderful publication that has been around for
70 years. I would love to see something like that on the Internet in
the form of an auction. I hope AeroBid or whatever other entity out
there is able to pull it off. I am sick of eBays, Microsofts and Wal-
marts... I feel that competition can be a good thing in this world.
When you have 95% market domination by any entity you have less choice
in both service and cost savings. I have been to many actual (real
world) airplane/airplane part auctions around the country and have
found them exciting. I have made some good and a few bad deals (my
fault) there...

wrote:

>
> The reason I mentioned Wal-Mart was because one time I suggested my
> cousin to get some hunting supplies there.
> He laughed at me stating that you don't go to Wal-Mart for that. You
> go to a specialized store that deals with hunting/fishing
> products.


Maybe, depends what you're buying. Do you know exactly what you want?
Then get it at Walmart because it will be cheaper. Not sure and need
help then go to Mom and Pop, but still probably buy it from Walmart
because it will be cheaper. It's really not a good analogy.



I am applying the same logic here. Sure, everyone has
> heard of Wal-Mart and eBay but what about countless mom and pap
> shops.

If I am interested in something I want to be able to go look it up now,
ebay provides that.



Is specialization a good thing at all?


It will hurt you because I am not interested in a one trick pony. No
way you'll get more aviation stuff than ebay.

wrote:

A
> specialized auction site much like a specialized store in real life
> draws enthusiasts and people who appreciate great choices and fair
> prices. An example would be Best Buy vs. Micro Center if we were to
> talk about computer hardware and software... Specialization can be a
> good thing from both the consumer and business owner point of few.

Everybody sells computers. I know what I want and don't care where it
come from. The only people willing to pay more for service when buying
a computer are old people who don't anything about computers. But I'm
not paying you $100 more for a computer because you have knowelgable in
the store.

wrote:
> On Apr 3, 6:43 pm, "JGalban via AviationKB.com" <u32749@uwe> wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Would you make the same accusation if you met me in person? I just
>>> want your honest opinion about eBay vs. niche auction sites... That
>>> is all - no need to get paranoid on me...
>>
>> I would. You've already posted this same thing three times
>> today. I don't think you want our opinion that badly.
>>
>> John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
>>
>> --
>> Message posted viahttp://www.aviationkb.com
>
>> From all three forums (General Aviation, Student Pilot, Piloting)
> where I have posted my question I have gathered the following info:
>
> 1. In order for a niche auction site to compete with eBay it has to
> have high volume of traffice, lot of auctions and lower prices. Is
> competition even the right term here? In fact this scenario (while a
> bit hard to imagine at first) is doable as many niche sites continue
> to exist based on the fact that people like specialized communities
> much like this forum.
> 2. Comparing niche auction and eBay as comparing apples to oranges.
> There are millions of auctions on eBay but realistically, aviation or
> any other specialized auction type represent a small number. A
> specialized auction site much like a specialized store in real life
> draws enthusiasts and people who appreciate great choices and fair
> prices. An example would be Best Buy vs. Micro Center if we were to
> talk about computer hardware and software... Specialization can be a
> good thing from both the consumer and business owner point of few.
> 3. Trade-a-Plane is a wonderful publication that has been around for
> 70 years. I would love to see something like that on the Internet in
> the form of an auction. I hope AeroBid or whatever other entity out
> there is able to pull it off. I am sick of eBays, Microsofts and Wal-
> marts... I feel that competition can be a good thing in this world.
> When you have 95% market domination by any entity you have less choice
> in both service and cost savings. I have been to many actual (real
> world) airplane/airplane part auctions around the country and have
> found them exciting. I have made some good and a few bad deals (my
> fault) there...

1. The thing that works as an auction for e-bay is the large number bidders
they bring to your item. No niche site is ever going to bring even a small
percentage of the traffic.

2. E-Bay might as well be niche be cause of their design. I have two links
in my favorites one takes me to aircraft for sale and the other to aviation
related parts.

3. You need to see last week's edition of Penn and Tellers "Bull****" on
Showtime. They get a bunch of anti Wal-Mart people and show how most of
their argument against Wal-Mart, and other big box stores is, well,
Bull****.

One little bit of trivia from the show was that Wal-Mart saves the average
family over $2,000 per year.

You say you like competition but must really not. Competition means that at
some point there is going to be a winner. Competition is what built
Wal-Mart, E-Bay and just about any other big box you can think of. They won.
Nothing stops someone from stepping up to compete again but the bar has been
raised and the new competitor to clear it.

Disclaimer: I am a partial owner of both Wal-Mart and a couple of other Big
Box stores.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:


>
> Disclaimer: I am a partial owner of both Wal-Mart and a couple of other Big
> Box stores.
>

We all are.

On Apr 4, 10:23 am, Newps > wrote:
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>
> > Disclaimer: I am a partial owner of both Wal-Mart and a couple of other Big
> > Box stores.
>
> We all are.

Suppose for the sake of argument if a specialized auction site has a
tremendous amount of auctions, costs less than eBay and has a big
community around it. I think that this business model can coexist
with eBay. Forbes has a nice little article about it with niche
auction links...

http://www.forbes.com/bow/b2c/category.jhtml?id=242

On 3 Apr 2007 09:39:29 -0700, wrote in
om>:

>Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay? Your
>thoughts?
>
>http://www.aerobid.net

If the aerobid sales commission is lower than eBay's, it will attract
sellers, but only if there is sufficient buyer bidding competition to
drive the sale price above what the item would have sold for on eBay.
Ultimately, buyers need to have incentive to patronize an alternate
auction site to eBay's well established and somewhat proven record of
successful transactions. What will attract buyers to aerobid? It's
got to be either lower prices, in which case sellers will not be
attracted, larger selection, over which aerobid has no control, or
some sort of value-added benefit...

wrote:
> On Apr 4, 10:23 am, Newps > wrote:
>> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>>
>>> Disclaimer: I am a partial owner of both Wal-Mart and a couple of
>>> other Big Box stores.
>>
>> We all are.
>
> Suppose for the sake of argument if a specialized auction site has a
> tremendous amount of auctions, costs less than eBay and has a big
> community around it. I think that this business model can coexist
> with eBay. Forbes has a nice little article about it with niche
> auction links...
>
> http://www.forbes.com/bow/b2c/category.jhtml?id=242

Each one of those is aiming at an market that is so much larger than that of
the GA market that it makes it (or the owners hope to make it) profitable as
a stand alone entity. The GA market is really pretty small compared to just
about anything. It is one of the reasons stuff costs so damn much.

There is also the not so far fetched idea that the owners of those sites sit
around every night and pray to whatever god they worship that they draw just
enough business that E-bay wants to buy them. That seems to be the primary
business model in the .com world.

On Apr 4, 11:45 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Apr 4, 10:23 am, Newps > wrote:
> >> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>
> >>> Disclaimer: I am a partial owner of both Wal-Mart and a couple of
> >>> other Big Box stores.
>
> >> We all are.
>
> > Suppose for the sake of argument if a specialized auction site has a
> > tremendous amount of auctions, costs less than eBay and has a big
> > community around it. I think that this business model can coexist
> > with eBay. Forbes has a nice little article about it with niche
> > auction links...
>
> >http://www.forbes.com/bow/b2c/category.jhtml?id=242
>
> Each one of those is aiming at an market that is so much larger than that of
> the GA market that it makes it (or the owners hope to make it) profitable as
> a stand alone entity. The GA market is really pretty small compared to just
> about anything. It is one of the reasons stuff costs so damn much.
>
> There is also the not so far fetched idea that the owners of those sites sit
> around every night and pray to whatever god they worship that they draw just
> enough business that E-bay wants to buy them. That seems to be the primary
> business model in the .com world.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I just read recently in one of AOPA's issues that there are roughly
450,000 pilots in the U.S. and little over 100,000 GA planes...
Classified ad business is huge... I understand that a lot of baby
boomers are airplane owners and there may be a computer barrier there
- then again I may be wrong. What do you think? I am looking to buy
a used Cessna 172 and right not there are only a dozen or so listed on
eBay. I wish AeroBid or a similar site would have over a hundred
listed. I would actually make plans to visit the closest sellers and
inspect some airplanes. Instead I am circling ads in Trade-a-Plane
and making the best of it...

wrote:


>
> I just read recently in one of AOPA's issues that there are roughly
> 450,000 pilots in the U.S. and little over 100,000 GA planes...
> Classified ad business is huge

It is not, that is not a big market. How many golfers are out there?
25 million?



.... I understand that a lot of baby
> boomers are airplane owners

You understand wrong. You already said there are 100,000 GA planes. If
every one was a Cirrus owned by a boomer it would still be a trivial number.



I would actually make plans to visit the closest sellers and
> inspect some airplanes. Instead I am circling ads in Trade-a-Plane
> and making the best of it...

Why this fascination with an auction site to buy a 172? They are
everywhere. You shouldn't have to travel more than 300 miles to find a
good 172 to buy.

wrote:
> On Apr 4, 11:45 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
> wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> On Apr 4, 10:23 am, Newps > wrote:
>>>> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>>
>>>>> Disclaimer: I am a partial owner of both Wal-Mart and a couple of
>>>>> other Big Box stores.
>>
>>>> We all are.
>>
>>> Suppose for the sake of argument if a specialized auction site has a
>>> tremendous amount of auctions, costs less than eBay and has a big
>>> community around it. I think that this business model can coexist
>>> with eBay. Forbes has a nice little article about it with niche
>>> auction links...
>>
>>> http://www.forbes.com/bow/b2c/category.jhtml?id=242
>>
>> Each one of those is aiming at an market that is so much larger than
>> that of the GA market that it makes it (or the owners hope to make
>> it) profitable as a stand alone entity. The GA market is really
>> pretty small compared to just about anything. It is one of the
>> reasons stuff costs so damn much.
>>
>> There is also the not so far fetched idea that the owners of those
>> sites sit around every night and pray to whatever god they worship
>> that they draw just enough business that E-bay wants to buy them.
>> That seems to be the primary business model in the .com world.- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I just read recently in one of AOPA's issues that there are roughly
> 450,000 pilots in the U.S. and little over 100,000 GA planes...
> Classified ad business is huge... I understand that a lot of baby
> boomers are airplane owners and there may be a computer barrier there
> - then again I may be wrong. What do you think? I am looking to buy
> a used Cessna 172 and right not there are only a dozen or so listed on
> eBay. I wish AeroBid or a similar site would have over a hundred
> listed. I would actually make plans to visit the closest sellers and
> inspect some airplanes. Instead I am circling ads in Trade-a-Plane
> and making the best of it...


450,000 pilots (many not active) and 100,000 GA planes (which means far
fewer owners because many are owned by people or companies that own multiple
aircraft) is a really small market. I'd bet there are more people in
Wal-Marts in Arkansas at this moment (1:05pm CDT) than there are people that
will ever buy aviation items online.

As has been mentioned buying an airplane on E-Bay really doesn't happen that
often because people aren't buying airplanes sight unseen. Those that are
selling aircraft via E-Bay are using it as an online classified service. And
there is lots of competition in that market including Trade-a-Planes own
online site.

There are 100's of 172 for sale online. They are just spread out over
multiple sites. That ought to make you happy. You said you are in favor of
competition.

wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2:42 pm, "Vaughn Simon" >
> wrote:
>
> wrote in message
>>
ups.com...
>>
>>
>>>Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay? Your
>>>thoughts?
>>
>> Forgive me if I am wrong, but this smells like thinly-disguised spam to me.
>>Whoever you are, if you think that spam is a great addition to your business
>>model, then I predict a very short, unhappy life for your enterprise.
>>
>>Vaughn
>
>
> Would you make the same accusation if you met me in person? I just
> want your honest opinion about eBay vs. niche auction sites... That
> is all - no need to get paranoid on me...
>


You seem to know an awful lot about this business for just a casual
observer who found a cool site. Methinks you are a stakeholder.

wrote:
> On Apr 3, 3:41 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Newps wrote:
>>
wrote:
>>
>>>>Niche auction for aviation... Can it compete with eBay?
>>
>>>No.
>>
>>> Your
>>>
>>>>thoughts?
>>
>>>In order for there to be an auction there has to be stuff up for
>>>auction.
>>
>>I agree with Newps. It doesn't have a chance. But the way to prove me wrong
>>is take an aviation related item and post it on both and see which site
>>sells it for the most.
>>
>>spcek, you compare Ebay to Wal-Mart and to a certain extent that is true.
>>I'd be willing to bet that even the big aviation products dealers, like
>>Sporty's would crap their pants if they heard that Wal-Mart was going to
>>start an aviation products department and there wouldn't be an independent
>>FBO left standing if they opened Wal-Mart FBOs accross the country.
>
>
> The reason I mentioned Wal-Mart was because one time I suggested my
> cousin to get some hunting supplies there.
> He laughed at me stating that you don't go to Wal-Mart for that. You
> go to a specialized store that deals with hunting/fishing
> products. I am applying the same logic here. Sure, everyone has
> heard of Wal-Mart and eBay but what about countless mom and pap
> shops. Is specialization a good thing at all? Not to deviate from
> the topic, but as a customer I don't always want the cheapest and most
> accessible. I want the best from a huge selection. Look at Trade-a-
> Plane. I actually pay for that :-)
>


You PAY for trade-a-plane?

Why?

I didn't think anyone paid for that anymore - except maybe every now and
then when one was i n the marlet for a plane and couldn;t find listings
online.

On Apr 4, 6:02 pm, Tim > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Apr 3, 3:41 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>Newps wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> >>>>Nicheauctionfor aviation... Can it compete with eBay?
>
> >>>No.
>
> >>> Your
>
> >>>>thoughts?
>
> >>>In order for there to be anauctionthere has to be stuff up for
> >>>auction.
>
> >>I agree with Newps. It doesn't have a chance. But the way to prove me wrong
> >>is take an aviation related item and post it on both and see which site
> >>sells it for the most.
>
> >>spcek, you compare Ebay to Wal-Mart and to a certain extent that is true.
> >>I'd be willing to bet that even the big aviation products dealers, like
> >>Sporty's would crap their pants if they heard that Wal-Mart was going to
> >>start an aviation products department and there wouldn't be an independent
> >>FBO left standing if they opened Wal-Mart FBOs accross the country.
>
> > The reason I mentioned Wal-Mart was because one time I suggested my
> > cousin to get some hunting supplies there.
> > He laughed at me stating that you don't go to Wal-Mart for that. You
> > go to a specialized store that deals with hunting/fishing
> > products. I am applying the same logic here. Sure, everyone has
> > heard of Wal-Mart and eBay but what about countless mom and pap
> > shops. Is specialization a good thing at all? Not to deviate from
> > the topic, but as a customer I don't always want the cheapest and most
> > accessible. I want the best from a huge selection. Look at Trade-a-
> > Plane. I actually pay for that :-)
>
> You PAY for trade-a-plane?
>
> Why?
>
> I didn't think anyone paid for that anymore - except maybe every now and
> then when one was i n the marlet for a plane and couldn;t find listings
> online.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It is only $3 lol and I don't buy it every time it comes out which is
3 times per month. I am very familiar with traditional auctions. I
am also a bargain hunter and auctions unlike classified ads provide
opportunities to snatch a good deal. For example I am looking into
inspecting this airplane on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-Cessna-172-SP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63677QQihZ004QQitemZ 140104034089QQrdZ1

At $65K it is a steal but I need to confirm that by inspecting it in
person. Now would anyone here complain if there was a great auction
site out there with 5 times the amount of aviation stuff currently
listed on eBay...

wrote:

>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-Cessna-172-SP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63677QQihZ004QQitemZ 140104034089QQrdZ1
>
> At $65K it is a steal but I need to confirm that by inspecting it in
> person. Now would anyone here complain if there was a great auction
> site out there with 5 times the amount of aviation stuff currently
> listed on eBay...
>

That plane isn't such a steal. The whole tail was replaced because it
was bent forward of the tail, that's a lot of damage. Plus the engine
and prop were trashed after hitting a light. It was already on a
salvage site.

On Apr 4, 9:54 pm, Newps > wrote:
> wrote:
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-Cessna-172-SP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQc...
>
> > At $65K it is a steal but I need to confirm that by inspecting it in
> > person. Now would anyone here complain if there was a greatauction
> > site out there with 5 times the amount of aviation stuff currently
> > listed on eBay...
>
> That plane isn't such a steal. The whole tail was replaced because it
> was bent forward of the tail, that's a lot of damage. Plus the engine
> and prop were trashed after hitting a light. It was already on a
> salvage site.

With the right mechanic you can fix just about anything. Besides
without the in person inspection it is hard to estimate the damage...

wrote:
>Now would anyone here complain if there was a great auction
> site out there with 5 times the amount of aviation stuff currently
> listed on eBay...
>

Of course we wouldn't but what makes you think that AeroBid or any other
site could have 5 times the aviation stuff that E-Bay has. I just
checked and they don't have a single aircraft listed.

And you might want to tell your friends at AeroBid that AeroBid is a
drug prescribed for people who need long-term treatment of asthma. They
might ought to be concerned about trademark problems.

wrote:
> On Apr 4, 9:54 pm, Newps > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-Cessna-172-SP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQc...
>>
>>>At $65K it is a steal but I need to confirm that by inspecting it in
>>>person. Now would anyone here complain if there was a greatauction
>>>site out there with 5 times the amount of aviation stuff currently
>>>listed on eBay...
>>
>>That plane isn't such a steal. The whole tail was replaced because it
>>was bent forward of the tail, that's a lot of damage. Plus the engine
>>and prop were trashed after hitting a light. It was already on a
>>salvage site.
>
>
> With the right mechanic you can fix just about anything. Besides
> without the in person inspection it is hard to estimate the damage...

Exactly, so you aren't finding a steal on a plane on an auction site.
It's no different than the million other 172's out there for sale.

On Apr 5, 7:20 pm, Newps > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Apr 4, 9:54 pm, Newps > wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-Cessna-172-SP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQc...
>
> >>>At $65K it is a steal but I need to confirm that by inspecting it in
> >>>person. Now would anyone here complain if there was a greatauction
> >>>site out there with 5 times the amount of aviation stuff currently
> >>>listed on eBay...
>
> >>That plane isn't such a steal. The whole tail was replaced because it
> >>was bent forward of the tail, that's a lot of damage. Plus the engine
> >>and prop were trashed after hitting a light. It was already on a
> >>salvage site.
>
> > With the right mechanic you can fix just about anything. Besides
> > without the in person inspection it is hard to estimate the damage...
>
> Exactly, so you aren't finding a steal on a plane on anauctionsite.
> It's no different than the million other 172's out there for sale.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Which brings up a good point... If you see a lot of bidders for a
particual plane, that is an indication of a good deal. Chances are
that the airplane/helicopter/glider has been inspected by various
bidders and is in good shape. The safest bet is for you - the
potential buyer to check it out in person. The ideal case scenario is
if you are buying from someone you know really well and that person
has exactly what you want. The chances of that happening are slim.
That is why I will continue hoping for an online auction site that
will rival Trade-a-Plane in the number of offerings per aircraft.

On another topic, I would also like the see the same thing happen for
cars. eBay motors simply dominates the transportation market in
general... It would be nice to have a few other choices...don't you
think?