Continental Airlines had a murder suspect on board its flight to New Delhi but
refused to turn around and land because of the cost of dumping fuel:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-06-14/news/snake-on-a-plane/

Odd that carrying nail clippers on board can result in felony charges, but
killing your spouse and making a run for it is okay.

I make it to be about 10 PM, or 2200, in Paris on a Saturday night.

Many single middleaged men even in the United States, let alone in the
City of Lights, would be out with their friends. Could this posting be
evidence of a social problem?

The only life he has is the vicarious one he enjoys by playing on the
computer. He is envious of real pilots, and feels that by proving to himself
that his intellect is somehow superior, he is better than people who
actually fly airplanes, either as a profession or avocation.

He does not appear to have any other life, either socially or
professionionally.


> wrote in message
oups.com...
>I make it to be about 10 PM, or 2200, in Paris on a Saturday night.
>
> Many single middleaged men even in the United States, let alone in the
> City of Lights, would be out with their friends. Could this posting be
> evidence of a social problem?
>
>

Viperdoc wrote:
> The only life he has is the vicarious one he enjoys by playing on the
> computer. He is envious of real pilots, and feels that by proving to
> himself that his intellect is somehow superior, he is better than
> people who actually fly airplanes, either as a profession or
> avocation.
> He does not appear to have any other life, either socially or
> professionionally.
>


When a simple google kicks back 140,000 hits, that's something. When
EVERYBODY, from the HUNDREDS of groups he's posted in, reports they want to
filet, draw & quarter the dip****, that tells more. Personally I can't
imagine being so absolutely desperate for attention to warrant this much
effort, but................. He GETS IT!!!!!!
Go figure..........

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Continental Airlines had a murder suspect on board its flight to New Delhi but
> refused to turn around and land because of the cost of dumping fuel:
>
> http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-06-14/news/snake-on-a-plane/
>
> Odd that carrying nail clippers on board can result in felony charges, but
> killing your spouse and making a run for it is okay.

Why should the airline bear the cost of this?

Can you please provide a cite of someone getting charged with a felony
for carrying nail clippers, or where CO thought it was OK to kill a spouse?

They guy went through the "security" screening, so where was the danger
to the plane and/or passengers? The guy wasn't going anywhere. He was
detained in India.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:10:42 +0200, Mxsmanic >
wrote:

>Continental Airlines had a murder suspect on board its flight to New Delhi but
>refused to turn around and land because of the cost of dumping fuel:
>
>http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-06-14/news/snake-on-a-plane/
>
>Odd that carrying nail clippers on board can result in felony charges, but
>killing your spouse and making a run for it is okay.

Since he had gone through security, what would be the difference where
the authorities took him into custody?

He thinks he's smarter than everybody else, but can't find or hold a job in
the US or France. Yet, he blames this on outsourcing, rather than seeing
this as a personal reflection on his abilities or personality.

Would YOU want to work with someone like him?

In message > Mxsmanic
> wrote:

>Continental Airlines had a murder suspect on board its flight to New Delhi but
>refused to turn around and land because of the cost of dumping fuel:
>
>http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-06-14/news/snake-on-a-plane/
>
>Odd that carrying nail clippers on board can result in felony charges, but
>killing your spouse and making a run for it is okay.

Not at all, rather, not worth delaying the plane since the accused can
be detained and returned at much lower expense.

What's the rush? It's not liked the murderee is getting any deader.

--
If quitters never win, and winners never quit,
what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"?

The individual in question is a SUSPECT!!!

Americans in these post 9/11 days have developed a propensity to forget that
one of the basic tenets of British based legal systems is the Presumption of
Innocence. Suspects are innocent until found guilty in a Court of Law.

Gauntanamo and 'rendering' etc seems to be eroding precepts, part of
American Law (and matured through Magna Carta et al - over centuries!)
inherited from Great Britain.

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Continental Airlines had a murder suspect on board its flight to New Delhi
> but
> refused to turn around and land because of the cost of dumping fuel:
>
> http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-06-14/news/snake-on-a-plane/
>
> Odd that carrying nail clippers on board can result in felony charges, but
> killing your spouse and making a run for it is okay.

Viperdoc wrote:
> He thinks he's smarter than everybody else, but can't find or hold a job in
> the US or France. Yet, he blames this on outsourcing, rather than seeing
> this as a personal reflection on his abilities or personality.
>
> Would YOU want to work with someone like him?
>
>

Like it or not, his post was on topic, unlike your followups.
I don't agree with what he said, but it was appropriate for the newsgroup.

A,

> Gauntanamo and 'rendering' etc seems to be eroding precepts,
>

The understatement of the day...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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In rec.aviation.piloting NotABushSupporter > wrote:
> Viperdoc wrote:
>> He thinks he's smarter than everybody else, but can't find or hold a job in
>> the US or France. Yet, he blames this on outsourcing, rather than seeing
>> this as a personal reflection on his abilities or personality.
>>
>> Would YOU want to work with someone like him?
>>
>>
>
> Like it or not, his post was on topic, unlike your followups.
> I don't agree with what he said, but it was appropriate for the newsgroup.
>

Yes, but no.

Yes, on topic for rec.travel.air, which is geared more towards
commercial air travel (as per the r.t.a charter), but *not* for
rec.aviation.piloting, which is geared towards (general) aviation and
piloting (as per the r.a.p. charter):

http://www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/rec/rec.travel.air

ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/rec/rec.aviation-reorg

So the OP should have kept this pertinent to the proper group,
instead of causing the issue we are seeing. That is now corrected.

Followups set now only to rec.travel.air.
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Sometimes there is hope, however. Where we live, in Durham NC, the NC
bar association came down hard on Durham County DA Mike Nifong because
he ignored the presumption of innocence. His disbarment is the most
severe measure the association can take against him.

Mifong's problems are just starting. Now there is likely to be civil
and criminal charges brought against him.

My husband and I hope to soon to have the place where we live known
for its science and medicine, and not a rogue DA.



On Jun 17, 3:37 am, Thomas Borchert >
wrote:
> A,
>
> > Gauntanamo and 'rendering' etc seems to be eroding precepts,
>
> The understatement of the day...
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"A Mate" > wrote ...

> The individual in question is a SUSPECT!!!
>
> Americans in these post 9/11 days have developed a propensity to forget
> that one of the basic tenets of British based legal systems is the
> Presumption of Innocence. Suspects are innocent until found guilty in a
> Court of Law.
>
....and with a warrant for his arrest issued/arrived after he had been
allowed to board and the flight had flown off.

You do understand that even in British courts with the similar presumption
of innocence, warrants are issued for "suspects" as a matter of routine
unless they are standing on the steps of the police station, arms
out-stretched for the cuffs. Everybody arrested is a "suspect", and those
who attempt to flee jurisdictions may (under both of our legal systems) be
held without bail.

As for being overwrought about GITMO, you do remember that back in 1945, the
UK and US didn't release all the German POWs at the end of hostilities.
Investigations and war crimes trials went on for several years.

Now, we might debate over which of the prisoners at GITMO were combatants,
since none had uniforms, but neither of us (and the Australian and other
troops in Afghanistan getting shot out/targeted by bombs) would allow that
the "war was over", so it seems to me, aside from those apprehended who
weren't combatants (and since 6 of those released earlier ended up showing
back up in Afghanistan and getting killed in combat, that's tough to
decide), I'm of the opinion we ought to simply follow precedent and keep'em,
GITMO being a nice warm place even in the winter (although they don't get to
use the pretty beach and the golf course (which I have, having been there
long ago with the Navy).

Are they mistreated? Accounts vary. They certainly are clothed, fed,
provided water and indoor plumbing, occasional showers, religious materials
and opportunity to practice the religion. None of the various outside
inspectors have managed to provide much if any evidence of "durance vile",
although keeping the prisoners separate and not allowing them a structured
military organization violates Geneva and other accords. Of course, nobody
wants to admit being a "senior officer", so allowing them to exist as part
of a military organization simply doesn't happen. Orange jump suits? Well,
unlike military prisoners in uniform (or who may be supplied replacement
uniforms by their own country), these folks had no uniforms, and no parent
military or country to send them uniforms. When assigned to duty aboard an
a/c in the Navy, I was issued (admittedly, a long time ago) an orange flight
suit to wear, same colors as those of the prisoners. I suppose we could
have issued them pink ones. Flip-flops? 'Bout right for GITMO's climate,
although you wouldn't want to run through the cactus in them.

I do recall that the wool Winter uniforms in which many German and Italian
prisoners were captured in weren't comfortable in the Texas Summers. I do
recall (as a youngster) seeing them working (the Italians with no fences,
and constantly escaping, not to go home, but to stay) in the fields clad in
US Army fatigues with big "P" stenciled on them. Were those more "legal" or
"suitable" than orange jump suits? I also recall the murderous riots (at an
island prison camp operated by the ROK and Allies, inc. Australia) among the
Korean war NK and Chinese POWs, busily murdering who didn't want to be
returned in droves. Prisoners are not always quiet, docile and
non-dangerous. The ones in GITMO are on the record pretty bad about
assaulting guards, throwing urine and feces, etc., not actions designed to
get you shipped home with a new set of clothes and a $10 bill...

TMO

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Sometimes there is hope, however. Where we live, in Durham NC, the NC
> bar association came down hard on Durham County DA Mike Nifong because
> he ignored the presumption of innocence. His disbarment is the most
> severe measure the association can take against him.
>
> Mifong's problems are just starting. Now there is likely to be civil
> and criminal charges brought against him.
>
> My husband and I hope to soon to have the place where we live known
> for its science and medicine, and not a rogue DA.
>
>

You do understand that Durham and Duke existed for decades only because of
profits from growing tobacco and selling cigarettes, a bit of an
equivocating issue in your moral stance.....

.....and youall did elect the guy, so don't disclaim responsibility. The
lawsuits by the lacrosse players will be against the county, and you as
taxpayers will have to pay for the defense and any settlements. They may
sue the exDA personally, but his pockets are likely shallow, whereas the
County (if he was the County DA, as in most states) will be the deep pocket
defendant in civil actions.

The local paper hasn't mentioned that?

TMO

Without a doubt the medical research being done at Duke Hospital will
never outweigh the damage tobacco has done, but it's a step in the
right direction.

Of course Nifong was elected, but like some other people not by a
majority of us. The good news, as I've stated, is there has been a
correction. It's not the total answer and n3ever will be, but part of
it.

Even better is that now in this state, ad I hope elsewhere, it's
recognized that although the Duke players 'won' because their families
had the resources to defende them, others with less deserve the same
treatment. Part of the language heard in our courts is "to be
Nifonged" and juries are listening.

Any civil judgements leveled against him, by the way, will be his
problem. The protection and pockets of the taxpayers are protected
here because he did not act in good faith. He is VERY exposed.




On Jun 17, 11:54 am, "TMOliver" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > Sometimes there is hope, however. Where we live, in Durham NC, the NC
> > bar association came down hard on Durham County DA Mike Nifong because
> > he ignored the presumption of innocence. His disbarment is the most
> > severe measure the association can take against him.
>
> > Mifong's problems are just starting. Now there is likely to be civil
> > and criminal charges brought against him.
>
> > My husband and I hope to soon to have the place where we live known
> > for its science and medicine, and not a rogue DA.
>
> You do understand that Durham and Duke existed for decades only because of
> profits from growing tobacco and selling cigarettes, a bit of an
> equivocating issue in your moral stance.....
>
> ....and youall did elect the guy, so don't disclaim responsibility. The
> lawsuits by the lacrosse players will be against the county, and you as
> taxpayers will have to pay for the defense and any settlements. They may
> sue the exDA personally, but his pockets are likely shallow, whereas the
> County (if he was the County DA, as in most states) will be the deep pocket
> defendant in civil actions.
>
> The local paper hasn't mentioned that?
>
> TMO

> wrote ....

>
> Any civil judgements leveled against him, by the way, will be his
> problem. The protection and pockets of the taxpayers are protected
> here because he did not act in good faith. He is VERY exposed.
>
While NCarolina law may differ from the codes in other states, generally
you'll find that governmental entities are responsible for the acts of
public officials, even acting in "bad faith", "gross negligence", or
criminally (since much precedent holds that to keep someone on the payroll
who acts in such a manner renders the governmental entity liable for having
done so. Before you make a claim as rash as you made in the paragraph
above, you'd better check with a lawyer.

The Duke defendants, along with suing Nifong for his actions, will sue the
county (if that's whose agent Nifong was) as having provided him with
official cover for his misdeeds.

You'd best hope that NCarolian has a low tort claims limit for local
governments....

TMO

wrote)
> Of course Nifong was elected, but like some other people not by a majority
> of us.


Ok, let's try this once more:

This is how the game is played. These are the RULES!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_World_Series
1991 World Series

--------------------MIN -------ATL
Game 1) .......... 5 ............ 2
Game 2) .......... 3 ............ 2

Game 3) .......... 4 ............ 5
Game 4) .......... 2 ............ 3
Game 5) .......... 5 .......... 14

Game 6) .......... 4 ............ 3
Game 7) .......... 1 ............ 0

TOTALS ........ 24 .......... 29

Hmm... how can that be?

Minnesota Twins: 1991 World Series Champions!

Into deep left center...for Mitchell...And we'll see you... TOMORROW
NIGHT! - CBS television announcer Jack Buck, announcing Twins center fielder
Kirby Puckett's game-winning eleventh-inning walk-off home run in Game 6
against Charlie Leibrandt."

"Puckett swings and hits a blast! Deep left center! Way back! Way back! IT'S
GONE!!! The Twins go to the seventh game! Touch 'em all Kirby Puckett! Touch
'em all Kirby Puckett! And the Twins have won this game 4-3 on a dramatic
home run by Kirby Puckett! - WCCO announcer John Gordon, announcing the same
event."

"The play is to home! Out there...out there!!! - Jack Buck calling Atlanta
Brave Sid Bream hitting into a top of the 8th inning ending double play in
Game 7."

"And after eight full innings of play, Atlanta nothing, Minnesota
nothing...I *think* we'll be back in just a moment. - An emotionally-drained
Vin Scully, concluding the heart-stopping 8th inning of the CBS Radio
broadcast of Game 7 after both teams had quashed bases-loaded, one-out
scoring threats."

"Atlanta hasn't scored in ten innings against Jack Morris! - Jack Buck
calling the end of the top of the 10th inning in Game 7."

"THE TWINS ARE GOING TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES! The Twins have won it! It's a
base hit, it's a 1-0, ten inning victory! - Jack Buck calling Gene Larkin's
World Series clinching hit on CBS-TV."

"It was I think probably the greatest World Series ever! - Commissioner Fay
Vincent during the World Series Trophy presentation ceremony."


Paul-Mont