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Larry Dighera
September 8th 07, 03:58 PM
FOUR SWISS CONTROLLERS CONVICTED OF MANSLAUGHTER
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/946-full.html#196075)
In the continuing fallout from a 2002 midair collision in
Swiss-controlled airspace in which 71 people died, four air
traffic control managers on Wednesday were convicted of
manslaughter, Reuters reported
(http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0481858020070904?pageNumber=2).
The judge said the managers were responsible for ensuring that at
least two controllers were on duty at all times, and the collision
could have been averted if any one of them had acted to prevent
the second controller on duty from taking a coffee break. That
left just one controller working at the time of the collision. The
lone controller was later killed by a Russian man who lost his
wife and two children in the crash.
Paul kgyy
September 9th 07, 02:44 AM
How does one "pay" for the deaths of 71 people?
Larry Dighera
September 9th 07, 07:41 PM
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:44:53 -0700, Paul kgyy >
wrote in om>:
>How does one "pay" for the deaths of 71 people?
Well it depends. For the four controllers convicted of manslaughter,
one would suppose that their sentences will suffice. The one murdered
by the widower paid with his life.
The Visitor[_2_]
September 9th 07, 11:45 PM
The one murdered by the widower, was simply murdered. If he paid with
his life he would have got the big sword out and done sodduko.
The other guys paid by visa. No jail time.
That's not a sentence?
John
Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:44:53 -0700, Paul kgyy >
> wrote in om>:
>
>
>>How does one "pay" for the deaths of 71 people?
>
>
> Well it depends. For the four controllers convicted of manslaughter,
> one would suppose that their sentences will suffice. The one murdered
> by the widower paid with his life.
Larry Dighera
September 10th 07, 10:08 AM
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:45:13 -0400, The Visitor
> wrote in
>:
>
>The other guys paid by visa. No jail time.
Where did you find that information?
Rolf Blom
September 10th 07, 01:48 PM
On 2007-09-10 00:45, The Visitor wrote:
> The one murdered by the widower, was simply murdered. If he paid with
> his life he would have got the big sword out and done sodduko.
>
-snip-
That's sounds like a dangerous puzzle?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudoku
The Visitor[_2_]
September 10th 07, 04:10 PM
Larry Dighera wrote:
> Where did you find that informatio
In the link, the great link...
"The public prosecutor had requested suspended jail sentences ranging
from 6 to 15 months."
Somewhat a guess I suppose but if the prosecutor is asking for a s.s.
then it won't be worse.
The Visitor[_2_]
September 10th 07, 04:17 PM
Yeah that's just me being light, about a serious topic. In some cultures
it is the honourable thing to do. Others it is mental illness or the
cowards way out. I just had the thought, that if a person was paying
with his life, then it would have been his decision. I wonder what
happened to the widower?
John
Rolf Blom wrote:
> On 2007-09-10 00:45, The Visitor wrote:
>
>>The one murdered by the widower, was simply murdered. If he paid with
>>his life he would have got the big sword out and done sodduko.
>>
>
> -snip-
>
> That's sounds like a dangerous puzzle?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudoku
The Visitor[_2_]
September 10th 07, 04:22 PM
Remember this one?
http://tinyurl.com/yt3526
"a maintenance manager working for the company at Haneda committed
suicide to "apologize" for the accident."
The Visitor wrote:
> Yeah that's just me being light, about a serious topic. In some cultures
> it is the honourable thing to do. Others it is mental illness or the
> cowards way out. I just had the thought, that if a person was paying
> with his life, then it would have been his decision. I wonder what
> happened to the widower?
>
> John
>
> Rolf Blom wrote:
>
>> On 2007-09-10 00:45, The Visitor wrote:
>>
>>> The one murdered by the widower, was simply murdered. If he paid with
>>> his life he would have got the big sword out and done sodduko.
>>>
>>
>> -snip-
>>
>> That's sounds like a dangerous puzzle?
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudoku
>
>
Kloudy via AviationKB.com
September 10th 07, 07:18 PM
The Visitor wrote:
>The one murdered by the widower, was simply murdered. If he paid with
>his life he would have got the big sword out and done sodduko.
I think you mena seppuku
Sudoku..he hee
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Kloudy via AviationKB.com
September 10th 07, 07:20 PM
Kloudy wrote:
>
>I think you mena seppuku
I think I mena...
uh.. "mean". ; )
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Larry Dighera
September 10th 07, 10:11 PM
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:22:12 -0400, The Visitor
> wrote in
>:
>Remember this one?
>http://tinyurl.com/yt3526
>
>
> "a maintenance manager working for the company at Haneda committed
>suicide to "apologize" for the accident."
>
520 Deaths for the want of a row of rivets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123
The subsequent repair performed by Boeing was flawed. Boeing's
procedures called for a doubler plate with two rows of rivets to
cover up the damaged bulkhead, but the engineers fixing the
aircraft used two doubler plates with only one row of rivets. This
reduced the part's resistance to metal fatigue by 70%. According
to the FAA, the one "doubler plate" which was specified for the
job, (the FAA calls it a "splice plate" - essentially a patch),
was surprisingly cut into two pieces parallel to the stress crack
it was intended to reinforce, "to make it fit".[3] This negated
the effectiveness of one of the two rows of rivets. During the
investigation Boeing calculated that this incorrect installation
would fail after approximately 10,000 pressurizations; the
aircraft accomplished 12,319 take-offs between the installation of
the new plate and the final accident.
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