Today I was a bit curious about what NOTAMs were issued when Mount Saint
Helens exploded in Washington back in 1980. Is there a place on the Web where
very old NOTAMs can be looked up (for free)?

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Today I was a bit curious about what NOTAMs were issued when Mount
> Saint Helens exploded in Washington back in 1980. Is there a place on
> the Web where very old NOTAMs can be looked up (for free)?
>

Why should we tell you for free?

In article >, Maxwell says...

>
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Today I was a bit curious about what NOTAMs were issued when Mount Saint
> > Helens exploded in Washington back in 1980. Is there a place on the Web
> > where
> > very old NOTAMs can be looked up (for free)?
>
> Troll elsewhere.

Why?

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Maxwell, ye cockered half a soul, this is the foul fiend
Flibbertigibbet, ye gobbled:

> I've got a computer... I don't NEED a life!

"Maxwell" <luv2^fly99@cox.^net> wrote in news:dtA8k.1301$oY2.726
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>
>
>

Nope


Bertie

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Today I was a bit curious about what NOTAMs were issued when Mount
> Saint Helens exploded in Washington back in 1980. Is there a place on
> the Web where very old NOTAMs can be looked up (for free)?

Why, you gong to do some retro simming?



Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

> Why, you gong to do some retro simming?

No. I was doing some research on the effect of volcanic eruptions on
aviation.

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Today I was a bit curious about what NOTAMs were issued when Mount Saint
> Helens exploded in Washington back in 1980. Is there a place on the Web
where
> very old NOTAMs can be looked up (for free)?

WOW! They certainly don't write NOTAMS that way anymore. I think it's a 9-11
thing.

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip writes:
>
>> Why, you gong to do some retro simming?
>
> No. I was doing some research on the effect of volcanic eruptions on
> aviation.
>

No need, you don't fly and the effects are well known.


Bertie

>>>Why, you gong to do some retro simming?
>>
>>No. I was doing some research on the effect of volcanic eruptions on
>>aviation.

In October of 2005 I was circling around Mt. St. Helens and noticed that
the visitor center was abandoned. On a nice day with steam pluming from
the crater, the visitor center is never empty. Turns out that they had
just issued a TFR within a 10-mile radius of the mountain due to
volcanic activity. Got home to hear that they had evacuated the visitor
center. I wasn't too worried about violating the TFR because I
generally fly a 10-mile radius anyway.


Here's a photo from the flight:
http://www.damnnearwiley.com/AdamsHelensHood72dpi.jpg

(It's actually Hood, St Helens, Jefferson.)

Apparently, the "Temporary Flight Restriction" from Oct. 2005 is still
active: http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_5_9066.html although
they've reduced the radius from 10 to 1.5 miles.

-c

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Bertie the Bunyip writes:

> > Why, you gong to do some retro simming?

> No. I was doing some research on the effect of volcanic eruptions on
> aviation.

In your research, how many volcanoes did you find that had any effect
on aviation in the past 50 years?


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jimp
> In your research, how many volcanoes did you find that had any effect
> on aviation in the past 50 years?

Well....I've done no research, but I know of at least one.

A B-747 flying in the South Pacific area had all four engines
flame-out due to volcanic ash. Once out of the cloud, the crew
was able to restart the engines. ATC routed traffic around that
area for some time.

Bob Moore
ATP B-727, B-707
Pan Am (retired)

writes:

> In your research, how many volcanoes did you find that had any effect
> on aviation in the past 50 years?

Just about every erupting volcano.

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:

> > In your research, how many volcanoes did you find that had any effect
> > on aviation in the past 50 years?

> Just about every erupting volcano.

How many is that and what are the percentages?


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Robert Moore wrote:

> jimp
>
>>In your research, how many volcanoes did you find that had any effect
>>on aviation in the past 50 years?
>
>
> Well....I've done no research, but I know of at least one.
>
> A B-747 flying in the South Pacific area had all four engines
> flame-out due to volcanic ash. Once out of the cloud, the crew
> was able to restart the engines. ATC routed traffic around that
> area for some time.
>
> Bob Moore
> ATP B-727, B-707
> Pan Am (retired)
Bob,
Are you perhhaps thinking of this one:

http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001213X29893&key=1

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

Scott Skylane wrote
> Bob, Are you perhhaps thinking of this one:
>
> http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001213X29893&key=1

Yep! That's it. A little confusion between North and South :)

Bob

Robert Moore > wrote in
. 15.205:

> Scott Skylane wrote
>> Bob, Are you perhhaps thinking of this one:
>>
>> http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001213X29893&key=1
>
> Yep! That's it. A little confusion between North and South :)
>
> Bob

BA 9 was the one south of the equator. It flew through the volcanic ash
from an eruption in Indonesia. Lost all 4 engines and had the windscreen,
nose, and leading edges abraided from the impact with the particles. They
could NOT see out of the windscreen for the rest of the flight.

--
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Silicon Rallye Inc.

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writes:

> How many is that and what are the percentages?

I didn't count them. Given the extreme danger from volcanic ash, just about
any eruption warrants some type of warning, although that isn't always
sufficient to keep over-confident private pilots away from the danger.

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:

> > How many is that and what are the percentages?

> I didn't count them. Given the extreme danger from volcanic ash, just about
> any eruption warrants some type of warning, although that isn't always
> sufficient to keep over-confident private pilots away from the danger.

You really aren't doing "research", for if you were, the first thing
you would obtain is the total number of volcanic eruptions.

Then, if you had some special interest in their effects on private pilots,
you would get the number that occured where private pilots could possibly
be flying.

So it would seem your real objective is to just start another ****ing
contest.


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Mxsmanic > wrote in
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> writes:
>
>> How many is that and what are the percentages?
>
> I didn't count them. Given the extreme danger from volcanic ash, just
> about any eruption warrants some type of warning, although that isn't
> always sufficient to keep over-confident private pilots away from the
> danger.

Identify one private pilot who was taken down by volcanic ash. You're just
excrement wired for sound Anthony. ******.

wrote in :

> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> writes:
>
>> > How many is that and what are the percentages?
>
>> I didn't count them. Given the extreme danger from volcanic ash,
>> just about any eruption warrants some type of warning, although that
>> isn't always sufficient to keep over-confident private pilots away
>> from the danger.
>
> You really aren't doing "research", for if you were, the first thing
> you would obtain is the total number of volcanic eruptions.
>
> Then, if you had some special interest in their effects on private
> pilots, you would get the number that occured where private pilots
> could possibly be flying.
>
> So it would seem your real objective is to just start another ****ing
> contest.
>
>

Anthony can't even start a ****ing contest correctly.

writes:

> You really aren't doing "research", for if you were, the first thing
> you would obtain is the total number of volcanic eruptions.
>
> Then, if you had some special interest in their effects on private pilots,
> you would get the number that occured where private pilots could possibly
> be flying.
>
> So it would seem your real objective is to just start another ****ing
> contest.

All I asked for was a source for historical NOTAMs, which no one has yet been
able to give me.

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:

> > You really aren't doing "research", for if you were, the first thing
> > you would obtain is the total number of volcanic eruptions.
> >
> > Then, if you had some special interest in their effects on private pilots,
> > you would get the number that occured where private pilots could possibly
> > be flying.
> >
> > So it would seem your real objective is to just start another ****ing
> > contest.

> All I asked for was a source for historical NOTAMs, which no one has yet been
> able to give me.

You **** everyone off with your 'tude then no one wants to help you out.

What a surprise.


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"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
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> writes:
>
>> You really aren't doing "research", for if you were, the first thing
>> you would obtain is the total number of volcanic eruptions.
>>
>> Then, if you had some special interest in their effects on private
>> pilots,
>> you would get the number that occured where private pilots could possibly
>> be flying.
>>
>> So it would seem your real objective is to just start another ****ing
>> contest.
>
> All I asked for was a source for historical NOTAMs, which no one has yet
> been
> able to give me.

They are just picking on you because you're an asshole.

wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote:

>
>>All I asked for was a source for historical NOTAMs, which no one has yet been
>>able to give me.
>
>
> You **** everyone off with your 'tude then no one wants to help you out.

> What a surprise.

Yep. Maybe it's not a matter of "able to give." My ground instruction
rate is forty bucks an hour and nobody here is obligated to give anybody
anything.

Volcanic Ash NOTAMS are called "ASHTAMS" which is a ridiculous mangling
of a perfectly good acronym for Notice to Airmen. "Ashes to Airmen?
That makes as much sense as "workaholic." ("My name is Chris. I'm
addicted to workahol.")

SNOTAM, BIRDTAM... DUMBTAM as UFOTAMs. If you're hauling hookers, file
a HO-TAM.


-c

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> writes:
>
>> You really aren't doing "research", for if you were, the first thing
>> you would obtain is the total number of volcanic eruptions.
>>
>> Then, if you had some special interest in their effects on private
>> pilots, you would get the number that occured where private pilots
>> could possibly be flying.
>>
>> So it would seem your real objective is to just start another ****ing
>> contest.
>
> All I asked for was a source for historical NOTAMs, which no one has
> yet been able to give me.
>

I could give it to you if you paid for it. For free, you get what you have
contributed to the aviation newsgroups: NOTHING.

writes:

> You **** everyone off with your 'tude then no one wants to help you out.

Only a handful of people find me irritating, but they are also the most vocal
in any group, as the two personality characteristics are often found together.
Since they are also among the least intelligent, they are rarely able to
answer my questions, and try to divert attention from that fact with their
rants. I've been dealing with such people for a very long time on USENET, and
I'm expert at it.

Nomen Nescio writes:

> Do you REALLY think you're fooling anybody?

I'm not trying to fool anybody.

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> writes:
>
>> You **** everyone off with your 'tude then no one wants to help you
>> out.
>
> Only a handful of people find me irritating, but they are also the
> most vocal in any group, as the two personality characteristics are
> often found together. Since they are also among the least intelligent,
> they are rarely able to answer my questions, and try to divert
> attention from that fact with their rants. I've been dealing with
> such people for a very long time on USENET, and I'm expert at it.
>

Actually, noone finds you irritating, just idiotic, and the only thing
youre expert at is acting the tit.


Bertie

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Nomen Nescio writes:
>
>> Do you REALLY think you're fooling anybody?
>
> I'm not trying to fool anybody.
>

Just as well.

bertie

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> writes:

> > You **** everyone off with your 'tude then no one wants to help you out.

> Only a handful of people find me irritating,

Apparently you can't count either.


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Hi,

In article >,
> wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> writes:
>
>> > You **** everyone off with your 'tude then no one wants to help you out.
>
>> Only a handful of people find me irritating,
>
> Apparently you can't count either.

Perhaps he has 247 fingers on each hand?

Andy

On Jun 29, 5:29 am, Andy Hawkins > wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In article >,
> > wrote:
>
> > Mxsmanic > wrote:
> >> writes:
>
> >> > You **** everyone off with your 'tude then no one wants to help you out.
>
> >> Only a handful of people find me irritating,
>
> > Apparently you can't count either.
>
> Perhaps he has 247 fingers on each hand?
>
And ten hands on each arm

On Jun 27, 1:22*am, Buster Hymen > wrote:
>
> Anthony can't even start a ****ing contest correctly.-

The guy just asked a simple question, and everyone starts bitching
about it. It doesn't seem like HE is the one trying to start a
"****ing contest".

There have been many more!

If you are looking for effect on airliner ops, lots.

They now stay away from the plumes and that is an effect.

An encounter is something to be avoided.

John





Robert Moore wrote:
> jimp
>
>>In your research, how many volcanoes did you find that had any effect
>>on aviation in the past 50 years?
>
>
> Well....I've done no research, but I know of at least one.
>
> A B-747 flying in the South Pacific area had all four engines
> flame-out due to volcanic ash. Once out of the cloud, the crew
> was able to restart the engines. ATC routed traffic around that
> area for some time.
>
> Bob Moore
> ATP B-727, B-707
> Pan Am (retired)

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Today I was a bit curious about what NOTAMs were issued when Mount Saint
> Helens exploded in Washington back in 1980. Is there a place on the Web
> where
> very old NOTAMs can be looked up (for free)?

Troll elsewhere.