I'm planning a trip to Yellowstone, does anyone know what the IFR
minimum vector altitude is for direct routing from Cody (COD) to West
Yellowstone (WYS)? There is no airway between these two points.

On Aug 20, 7:02*pm, cd > wrote:
> I'm planning a trip to Yellowstone, does anyone know what the IFR
> minimum vector altitude is for direct routing from Cody (COD) to West
> Yellowstone (WYS)? *There is no airway between these two points.

I am guessing.... 12,000

On Aug 20, 9:18 pm, " > wrote:
> On Aug 20, 7:02 pm, cd > wrote:
>
> > I'm planning a trip to Yellowstone, does anyone know what the IFR
> > minimum vector altitude is for direct routing from Cody (COD) to West
> > Yellowstone (WYS)? There is no airway between these two points.
>
> I am guessing.... 12,000

On the L-13 ifr enroute low altitude chart the Off Route Obstruction
Clearance Altitude (OROCA) is 15,500 to the west of Cody. If the MVA
is only 12,000 that would be great, I'm trying to avoid using oxygen.
Maybe I should call Salt Lake Center and ask. Does anyone know their
phone number in that area?

On Aug 20, 9:36 pm, cd > wrote:
> Maybe I should call Salt Lake Center and ask. Does anyone know their
> phone number in that area?

Google.
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"cd" > wrote in message
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> On Aug 20, 9:18 pm, " > wrote:
>> On Aug 20, 7:02 pm, cd > wrote:
>>
>> > I'm planning a trip to Yellowstone, does anyone know what the IFR
>> > minimum vector altitude is for direct routing from Cody (COD) to West
>> > Yellowstone (WYS)? There is no airway between these two points.
>>
>> I am guessing.... 12,000
>
> On the L-13 ifr enroute low altitude chart the Off Route Obstruction
> Clearance Altitude (OROCA) is 15,500 to the west of Cody. If the MVA
> is only 12,000 that would be great, I'm trying to avoid using oxygen.
> Maybe I should call Salt Lake Center and ask. Does anyone know their
> phone number in that area?

http://flighttraining.aopa.org/members/flight_bag/pdfs/atc.pdf

Most of the phone numbers listed will only be answered during normal
business hours.

I don't see how the MVA could possibly be 12,000 since flying direct takes
you over Dead Indian Peak which is higher than 12,000.

This time of year you generally get VMC in that area in the mornings, and if
it's IMC, you probably don't want to tangle with those types of mountains in
a normally aspirated aircraft unless you're very familiar with the area
and/or have a lot of actual time in the mountains. A guy in a 182 just
killed himself and his family just south of Breckenridge during marginal
weather and supposedly he had a lot of mountain time.

I just got done with a trip to Glacier Nat'l Park and I went to Yellowstone
last year around this same time.

I don't know if you've been in that area before, but if you tell me where
you're coming from, where you want to end up, what kind of plane, and what
you're doing there (vacation or whatever), I can come up with some
suggestions if you want them or there might be someone that's from that area
that can do a better job.

Last year I parked the plane at Gardiner (29S) which is a nice friendly
little airport just north of the park. It's relatively easy to get to from
the north flying through the valleys (VFR of course), and you don't need to
get into the oxygen altitudes. Flying through the valley from LVM is
awesome.

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>,
cd > wrote:

> On the L-13 ifr enroute low altitude chart the Off Route Obstruction
> Clearance Altitude (OROCA) is 15,500 to the west of Cody. If the MVA
> is only 12,000 that would be great, I'm trying to avoid using oxygen.
> Maybe I should call Salt Lake Center and ask. Does anyone know their
> phone number in that area?

Call FSS and tell them you need the number for the Salt Lake Center
Watch Desk. They have it, whether they will give it to you is another
story.

On Aug 21, 8:38 am, "Mike" > wrote:
> "cd" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Aug 20, 9:18 pm, " > wrote:
> >> On Aug 20, 7:02 pm, cd > wrote:
>
> >> > I'm planning a trip to Yellowstone, does anyone know what the IFR
> >> > minimum vector altitude is for direct routing from Cody (COD) to West
> >> > Yellowstone (WYS)? There is no airway between these two points.
>
> >> I am guessing.... 12,000
>
> > On the L-13 ifr enroute low altitude chart the Off Route Obstruction
> > Clearance Altitude (OROCA) is 15,500 to the west of Cody. If the MVA
> > is only 12,000 that would be great, I'm trying to avoid using oxygen.
> > Maybe I should call Salt Lake Center and ask. Does anyone know their
> > phone number in that area?
>
> http://flighttraining.aopa.org/members/flight_bag/pdfs/atc.pdf
>
> Most of the phone numbers listed will only be answered during normal
> business hours.
>
> I don't see how the MVA could possibly be 12,000 since flying direct takes
> you over Dead Indian Peak which is higher than 12,000.
>
> This time of year you generally get VMC in that area in the mornings, and if
> it's IMC, you probably don't want to tangle with those types of mountains in
> a normally aspirated aircraft unless you're very familiar with the area
> and/or have a lot of actual time in the mountains. A guy in a 182 just
> killed himself and his family just south of Breckenridge during marginal
> weather and supposedly he had a lot of mountain time.
>
> I just got done with a trip to Glacier Nat'l Park and I went to Yellowstone
> last year around this same time.
>
> I don't know if you've been in that area before, but if you tell me where
> you're coming from, where you want to end up, what kind of plane, and what
> you're doing there (vacation or whatever), I can come up with some
> suggestions if you want them or there might be someone that's from that area
> that can do a better job.
>
> Last year I parked the plane at Gardiner (29S) which is a nice friendly
> little airport just north of the park. It's relatively easy to get to from
> the north flying through the valleys (VFR of course), and you don't need to
> get into the oxygen altitudes. Flying through the valley from LVM is
> awesome.

This is a vacation with my wife and two kids ages 10 and 8, I'm only
staying two days at Yellowstone. I'm coming from Michigan in a turbo
Twin Cessna (C320), but my wife would like to avoid using oxygen, but
I do have onboard oxygen in the plane. My last fuel stop is going to
be Rapid City, SD (RAP) from there I'm planning routing direct to
Crazy Woman VOR CZI V324 RLY(Worland VOR) V319 COD(Cody), then direct
to WYS(West Yellow Stone). I should be able to stay at 12,000 until
Cody. I called Salt Lake Center, they looked at their charts and said
there isn't a MVA, but the Minimum IFR Altitude (MIA) between Cody and
West Yellowstone is 14,300, but he thought there was an area that I
could get vectored at 14,000. So I'm not expecting to need to go
higher than 15,000, I'll be using a cannula, but my family shouldn't
need to since I shouldn't be up there for more than 30 min.

"cd" > wrote in message
...
> On Aug 21, 8:38 am, "Mike" > wrote:
>> "cd" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On Aug 20, 9:18 pm, " > wrote:
>> >> On Aug 20, 7:02 pm, cd > wrote:
>>
>> >> > I'm planning a trip to Yellowstone, does anyone know what the IFR
>> >> > minimum vector altitude is for direct routing from Cody (COD) to
>> >> > West
>> >> > Yellowstone (WYS)? There is no airway between these two points.
>>
>> >> I am guessing.... 12,000
>>
>> > On the L-13 ifr enroute low altitude chart the Off Route Obstruction
>> > Clearance Altitude (OROCA) is 15,500 to the west of Cody. If the MVA
>> > is only 12,000 that would be great, I'm trying to avoid using oxygen.
>> > Maybe I should call Salt Lake Center and ask. Does anyone know their
>> > phone number in that area?
>>
>> http://flighttraining.aopa.org/members/flight_bag/pdfs/atc.pdf
>>
>> Most of the phone numbers listed will only be answered during normal
>> business hours.
>>
>> I don't see how the MVA could possibly be 12,000 since flying direct
>> takes
>> you over Dead Indian Peak which is higher than 12,000.
>>
>> This time of year you generally get VMC in that area in the mornings, and
>> if
>> it's IMC, you probably don't want to tangle with those types of mountains
>> in
>> a normally aspirated aircraft unless you're very familiar with the area
>> and/or have a lot of actual time in the mountains. A guy in a 182 just
>> killed himself and his family just south of Breckenridge during marginal
>> weather and supposedly he had a lot of mountain time.
>>
>> I just got done with a trip to Glacier Nat'l Park and I went to
>> Yellowstone
>> last year around this same time.
>>
>> I don't know if you've been in that area before, but if you tell me where
>> you're coming from, where you want to end up, what kind of plane, and
>> what
>> you're doing there (vacation or whatever), I can come up with some
>> suggestions if you want them or there might be someone that's from that
>> area
>> that can do a better job.
>>
>> Last year I parked the plane at Gardiner (29S) which is a nice friendly
>> little airport just north of the park. It's relatively easy to get to
>> from
>> the north flying through the valleys (VFR of course), and you don't need
>> to
>> get into the oxygen altitudes. Flying through the valley from LVM is
>> awesome.
>
> This is a vacation with my wife and two kids ages 10 and 8, I'm only
> staying two days at Yellowstone. I'm coming from Michigan in a turbo
> Twin Cessna (C320), but my wife would like to avoid using oxygen, but
> I do have onboard oxygen in the plane. My last fuel stop is going to
> be Rapid City, SD (RAP) from there I'm planning routing direct to
> Crazy Woman VOR CZI V324 RLY(Worland VOR) V319 COD(Cody), then direct
> to WYS(West Yellow Stone). I should be able to stay at 12,000 until
> Cody. I called Salt Lake Center, they looked at their charts and said
> there isn't a MVA, but the Minimum IFR Altitude (MIA) between Cody and
> West Yellowstone is 14,300, but he thought there was an area that I
> could get vectored at 14,000. So I'm not expecting to need to go
> higher than 15,000, I'll be using a cannula, but my family shouldn't
> need to since I shouldn't be up there for more than 30 min.

Actually passengers aren't required to be on supplemental oxygen until
15,000', even if you're up there all day. But depending on how susceptible
to hypoxia your wife is, she may wish she had accepted if she's dealing with
a headache, lethargy, and nausea when you land. I'm guessing it's only
going to take you a couple of hours or less so it may not be a big issue.
WYS is a safe bet for a short trip. It's centrally located to the park and
there's no problem getting rental cars. I like Gardiner because there's no
tiedown fees, the fuel is cheaper, and I just like the town better.

cd wrote:
>
>This is a vacation with my wife and two kids ages 10 and 8, I'm only
>staying two days at Yellowstone. I'm coming from Michigan in a turbo
>Twin Cessna (C320), but my wife would like to avoid using oxygen, but
>I do have onboard oxygen in the plane. My last fuel stop is going to
>be Rapid City, SD (RAP) from there I'm planning routing direct to
>Crazy Woman VOR CZI V324 RLY(Worland VOR) V319 COD(Cody), then direct
>to WYS(West Yellow Stone). I should be able to stay at 12,000 until
>Cody. I called Salt Lake Center, they looked at their charts and said
>there isn't a MVA, but the Minimum IFR Altitude (MIA) between Cody and
>West Yellowstone is 14,300, but he thought there was an area that I
>could get vectored at 14,000. So I'm not expecting to need to go
>higher than 15,000, I'll be using a cannula, but my family shouldn't
>need to since I shouldn't be up there for more than 30 min.

Any reason you can't go VFR after Cody? The weather this time of year is
generally pretty good unless there are afternoon T-storms (which you wouldn't
want to tangle with VFR or IFR). I've flown COD to WYS numerous times at 10,
500 ft. (following the highway).

I spent a couple of weeks at WYS last month. It's a good year to go. Not
much in the way of fires in the region.

Tell the folks at Yellowstone Aviation that John in Phoenix says Hi.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

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