http://www.courant.com/community/news/en/hc-ewinplane0901.artsep01,0,5972072.story

Anyone know -- what speed does a T/M stall at? My guess is pretty slow,
say 30 kts.

This is exactly how I envision a crash into trees "ought to" happen, if
its gotta happen, in a slow-stalling speed craft, say a single Cessna.
Just a little luck, a little help from the wind, full flaps if you got
em, and controlled flight as slow as possible into the treetops...


T

Tman <x@x> wrote in :

> http://www.courant.com/community/news/en/hc-ewinplane0901.artsep01,0,59
> 72072.story
>
> Anyone know -- what speed does a T/M stall at? My guess is pretty
> slow, say 30 kts.
>

About 38 Knots.

> This is exactly how I envision a crash into trees "ought to" happen,
> if its gotta happen, in a slow-stalling speed craft, say a single
> Cessna. Just a little luck, a little help from the wind, full flaps if
> you got em, and controlled flight as slow as possible into the
> treetops...
>

ouch. Poor thing. Looks like it will live to fight another day, though.

They don't have much in the way of carb heat. Icing is very common problem
with a Gypsy.



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> Tman <x@x> wrote in :
>
>> http://www.courant.com/community/news/en/hc-ewinplane0901.artsep01,0,59
>> 72072.story
>>
>> Anyone know -- what speed does a T/M stall at? My guess is pretty
>> slow, say 30 kts.
>>
>
> About 38 Knots.
>
>> This is exactly how I envision a crash into trees "ought to" happen,
>> if its gotta happen, in a slow-stalling speed craft, say a single
>> Cessna. Just a little luck, a little help from the wind, full flaps if
>> you got em, and controlled flight as slow as possible into the
>> treetops...
>>
>
> ouch. Poor thing. Looks like it will live to fight another day, though.
>
> They don't have much in the way of carb heat. Icing is very common problem
> with a Gypsy.
>
>
>
> Bertie

Isn't Google nice, shame you never post the link.

Now come back and lie about it. Tell us how you already knew and never have
to use Google.

On Sep 1, 7:49 am, "Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote:
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in 8.18...

>
> > They don't have much in the way of carb heat. Icing is very common problem
> > with a Gypsy.
>
> > Bertie
>
> Isn't Google nice, shame you never post the link.
>
> Now come back and lie about it. Tell us how you already knew and never have
> to use Google.

Be hard to find that on Google, I think. I owned an Auster
with Gipsy, and it quit on me when it iced up. The Auster's setup had
automatic carb heat, and I suspect the Tiger Moth uses the same thing.
The heat comes on as the power is reduced through about half throttle,
since it's linked to the throttle instead of being separate, and so if
the dewpoint is high enough carb ice is likely. Further, the heat is
marginal; it's taken from up against the side of the crankcase, which
may or may not be very warm. It doesn't come off the exhaust like most
NA aircraft. Ice at full throttle is therefore very possible.
http://www.johnjohn.co.uk/compare-tigermothflights/img/gipsy_major.jpg
You can see that big round thing in the middle of the picture? The
carb heat pickup, and linkages are visible around the heat valve,
connected to the throttle on the carb below the valve.

Dan

> wrote in message
...
>
> Be hard to find that on Google, I think. I owned an Auster
> with Gipsy, and it quit on me when it iced up. The Auster's setup had
> automatic carb heat, and I suspect the Tiger Moth uses the same thing.
> The heat comes on as the power is reduced through about half throttle,
> since it's linked to the throttle instead of being separate, and so if
> the dewpoint is high enough carb ice is likely. Further, the heat is
> marginal; it's taken from up against the side of the crankcase, which
> may or may not be very warm. It doesn't come off the exhaust like most
> NA aircraft. Ice at full throttle is therefore very possible.
>
> http://www.johnjohn.co.uk/compare-tigermothflights/img/gipsy_major.jpg
> You can see that big round thing in the middle of the picture? The
> carb heat pickup, and linkages are visible around the heat valve,
> connected to the throttle on the carb below the valve.
>
> Dan


Carb heat had nothing to do with it, the question was stall speed.

By the way, since when did you take Bertie to raise?

"Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Tman <x@x> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> http://www.courant.com/community/news/en/hc-
ewinplane0901.artsep01,0,
>>> 59 72072.story
>>>
>>> Anyone know -- what speed does a T/M stall at? My guess is pretty
>>> slow, say 30 kts.
>>>
>>
>> About 38 Knots.
>>
>>> This is exactly how I envision a crash into trees "ought to" happen,
>>> if its gotta happen, in a slow-stalling speed craft, say a single
>>> Cessna. Just a little luck, a little help from the wind, full flaps
>>> if you got em, and controlled flight as slow as possible into the
>>> treetops...
>>>
>>
>> ouch. Poor thing. Looks like it will live to fight another day,
>> though.
>>
>> They don't have much in the way of carb heat. Icing is very common
>> problem with a Gypsy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Isn't Google nice, shame you never post the link.



Didn't have to. I've flown Tiger Moths.
>
> Now come back and lie about it. Tell us how you already knew and never
> have to use Google.
>


Bwawhahwhahwhahwh!



Bertie
>
>

wrote in
:

> On Sep 1, 7:49 am, "Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote:
>> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in
>> 8.18...
>
>>
>> > They don't have much in the way of carb heat. Icing is very common
>> > problem with a Gypsy.
>>
>> > Bertie
>>
>> Isn't Google nice, shame you never post the link.
>>
>> Now come back and lie about it. Tell us how you already knew and
>> never have to use Google.
>
> Be hard to find that on Google, I think. I owned an Auster
> with Gipsy, and it quit on me when it iced up. The Auster's setup had
> automatic carb heat, and I suspect the Tiger Moth uses the same thing.
> The heat comes on as the power is reduced through about half throttle,
> since it's linked to the throttle instead of being separate, and so if
> the dewpoint is high enough carb ice is likely. Further, the heat is
> marginal; it's taken from up against the side of the crankcase, which
> may or may not be very warm. It doesn't come off the exhaust like most
> NA aircraft. Ice at full throttle is therefore very possible.
> http://www.johnjohn.co.uk/compare-
tigermothflights/img/gipsy_maj
> or.jpg
> You can see that big round thing in the middle of the picture? The
> carb heat pickup, and linkages are visible around the heat valve,
> connected to the throttle on the carb below the valve.


Yeah, it never happened to me, but I was warned about it.

"Don't dawdle around at low revs"

Bertie

"Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote in :

>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Be hard to find that on Google, I think. I owned an Auster
>> with Gipsy, and it quit on me when it iced up. The Auster's setup had
>> automatic carb heat, and I suspect the Tiger Moth uses the same thing.
>> The heat comes on as the power is reduced through about half throttle,
>> since it's linked to the throttle instead of being separate, and so if
>> the dewpoint is high enough carb ice is likely. Further, the heat is
>> marginal; it's taken from up against the side of the crankcase, which
>> may or may not be very warm. It doesn't come off the exhaust like most
>> NA aircraft. Ice at full throttle is therefore very possible.
>>
>> http://www.johnjohn.co.uk/compare-tigermothflights/img/gipsy_major.jpg
>> You can see that big round thing in the middle of the picture? The
>> carb heat pickup, and linkages are visible around the heat valve,
>> connected to the throttle on the carb below the valve.
>>
>> Dan
>
>
> Carb heat had nothing to do with it, the question was stall speed.


Wow! New heights of idiocy!
>
> By the way, since when did you take Bertie to raise?



Evidentally the same time as you, whatever that means, k00kie boi.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Didn't have to. I've flown Tiger Moths.


Ya lie about everything else, why stop now.

"jeremy" > wrote in message
...
> According to the article the TM has two "layers" of wings :-)

A rare example of a reporter actually getting something basically right, in
spite of an apparent profound ignorance of aviation and its vocabulary.


--
Vaughn

.................................................. .......
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:26:50 -0400, Tman wrote:

> http://www.courant.com/community/news/en/hc-ewinplane0901.artsep01,0,5972072.story
>
> Anyone know -- what speed does a T/M stall at? My guess is pretty slow,
> say 30 kts.

Max speed: 92 kt
Cruise speed: 75 kt
Stall: 35 kt
Rate of climb: 750 fpm
Range: 200 nm

Engine
Gipsy Major 1 developing 130 hp at 2,350 rpm.

> This is exactly how I envision a crash into trees "ought to" happen, if
> its gotta happen, in a slow-stalling speed craft, say a single Cessna.
> Just a little luck, a little help from the wind, full flaps if you got
> em, and controlled flight as slow as possible into the treetops...
>
> T

Nice job, yeah.

On Sep 1, 6:26*am, Tman <x@x> wrote:
> http://www.courant.com/community/news/en/hc-ewinplane0901.artsep01,0,...
>
> Anyone know -- what speed does a T/M stall at? *My guess is pretty slow,
> say 30 kts.
>
> This is exactly how I envision a crash into trees "ought to" happen, if
> its gotta happen, in a slow-stalling speed craft, say a single Cessna.
> Just a little luck, a little help from the wind, full flaps if you got
> em, and controlled flight as slow as possible into the treetops...
>
> T

Augered in is for sure what had not happened. JFK Jr augered in. This
pilot looks to have impacted at minimum airspeed, good on him!

"Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Didn't have to. I've flown Tiger Moths.
>
>
> Ya lie about everything else, why stop now.
>
>
>

Really?


Name one, k00kie boi.





Bertie

On Sep 2, 8:53*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> Really?
>
> Name one, k00kie boi.
>
Seems to have been engine failure on takeoff.
We used to use DH82s in the topdressing industry.
Todays wreck at the end of the airstrip was back flying the next day
thanks to very good engineers and the toughness of the aeroplane

george > wrote in news:17ac164a-6cb2-4ffc-ae83-
:

> On Sep 2, 8:53*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> Really?
>>
>> Name one, k00kie boi.
>>
> Seems to have been engine failure on takeoff.
> We used to use DH82s in the topdressing industry.
> Todays wreck at the end of the airstrip was back flying the next day
> thanks to very good engineers and the toughness of the aeroplane
>
>

Hard to beat a steel tube fuse and wood wings for strenght!

bertie

On Sep 2, 10:45*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> george > wrote in news:17ac164a-6cb2-4ffc-ae83-
> :
>
> > On Sep 2, 8:53*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
> >> Really?
>
> >> Name one, k00kie boi.
>
> > Seems to have been engine failure on takeoff.
> > We used to use DH82s in the topdressing industry.
> > Todays wreck at the end of the airstrip was back flying the next day
> > thanks to very good engineers and the toughness of the aeroplane
>
> Hard to beat a steel tube fuse and wood wings for strenght!

Hey Bertie.
Keep up with the details and your little playmate from several
messages back might have to admit that you know something of the
DH82 ..
:-)

george > wrote in news:e4aaa3ee-4fc4-48de-b34f-
:

> On Sep 2, 10:45*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> george > wrote in news:17ac164a-6cb2-4ffc-ae83-
>> :
>>
>> > On Sep 2, 8:53*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>> >> Really?
>>
>> >> Name one, k00kie boi.
>>
>> > Seems to have been engine failure on takeoff.
>> > We used to use DH82s in the topdressing industry.
>> > Todays wreck at the end of the airstrip was back flying the next day
>> > thanks to very good engineers and the toughness of the aeroplane
>>
>> Hard to beat a steel tube fuse and wood wings for strenght!
>
> Hey Bertie.
> Keep up with the details and your little playmate from several
> messages back might have to admit that you know something of the


Wouldn't matter if I was Geoffrey DeHavilland. He wouldn't admit it.

He seems to think he's doing me some damage, or something. It is fun
watching him try, though.

I haven't got a lot of Tiggy time. I would really like to try some of the
other Moths, though. I always thought the Hornet Moth was a beautiful
airplane, for instance. And the Gypsy Moth is th epretiest of the lot in my
book. Maybe someday..

Bertie

On Sep 2, 12:06*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> I haven't got a lot of Tiggy time. I would really like to try some of the
> other Moths, though. I always thought the Hornet Moth was a beautiful
> airplane, for instance. And the Gypsy Moth is th epretiest of the lot in my
> book. Maybe someday..
>
I've got (as I mentioned elsewhere) a couple of hours but I much
prefer the enclosed cockpit with the knob marked Cabin Heat. :-)

george > wrote in
:

> On Sep 2, 12:06*pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> I haven't got a lot of Tiggy time. I would really like to try some of
>> the other Moths, though. I always thought the Hornet Moth was a
>> beautiful airplane, for instance. And the Gypsy Moth is th epretiest
>> of the lot in
> my
>> book. Maybe someday..
>>
> I've got (as I mentioned elsewhere) a couple of hours but I much
> prefer the enclosed cockpit with the knob marked Cabin Heat. :-)
>

Not me! Biplanes biplanes biplanes...



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> george > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Sep 2, 12:06 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't got a lot of Tiggy time. I would really like to try some of
>>> the other Moths, though. I always thought the Hornet Moth was a
>>> beautiful airplane, for instance. And the Gypsy Moth is th epretiest
>>> of the lot in
>> my
>>> book. Maybe someday..
>>>
>> I've got (as I mentioned elsewhere) a couple of hours but I much
>> prefer the enclosed cockpit with the knob marked Cabin Heat. :-)
>>
>
> Not me! Biplanes biplanes biplanes...
>
>
>
> Bertie

Talks cheap for an anonymous wanna be.

Ref Mx.

"Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> george > wrote in
>> news:0a9a5143-fbf4-4694-b22b-ad1b6c94e18f@
25g2000prz.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 12:06 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I haven't got a lot of Tiggy time. I would really like to try some
of
>>>> the other Moths, though. I always thought the Hornet Moth was a
>>>> beautiful airplane, for instance. And the Gypsy Moth is th
epretiest
>>>> of the lot in
>>> my
>>>> book. Maybe someday..
>>>>
>>> I've got (as I mentioned elsewhere) a couple of hours but I much
>>> prefer the enclosed cockpit with the knob marked Cabin Heat. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Not me! Biplanes biplanes biplanes...
>>
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Talks cheap for an anonymous wanna be.





Yes, it is,



Bertie

On Sep 3, 12:34*am, "Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote:

> Talks cheap for an anonymous wanna be.

And so you persist

"george" > wrote in message
...
On Sep 3, 12:34 am, "Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote:

>> Talks cheap for an anonymous wanna be.

>And so you persist

I don't claim to be a world class aviatior. Take it up with your hero
Gertie.

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in message
...
>
> "george" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Sep 3, 12:34 am, "Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote:
>
>>> Talks cheap for an anonymous wanna be.
>
>>And so you persist
>
> I don't claim to be a world class aviatior. Take it up with your hero
> Gertie.

You don't claim to be an aviator period, and your complete lack of any
substantive posts prove it. You have proved yourself to be a world class
putz.

On Sep 3, 11:31*am, "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote:
> "george" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Sep 3, 12:34 am, "Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote:
>
> >> Talks cheap for an anonymous wanna be.
> >And so you persist
>
> I don't claim to be a world class aviatior. Take it up with your hero

You're not up on understanding remarks in context !

"Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote in :

>
> "george" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Sep 3, 12:34 am, "Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote:
>
>>> Talks cheap for an anonymous wanna be.
>
>>And so you persist
>
> I don't claim to be a world class aviatior. Take it up with your hero
> Gertie.

Awww, you sound bitter and not just a little bit twisted.



Bertie

On Sep 3, 4:38*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote :
>
>
>
> > "george" > wrote in message
> ....
> > On Sep 3, 12:34 am, "Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote:
>
> >>> Talks cheap for an anonymous wanna be.
>
> >>And so you persist
>
> > I don't claim to be a world class aviatior. Take it up with your hero
> > Gertie.
>
> Awww, you sound bitter and not just a little bit twisted.
>
> Bertie

I would not be surprised if he were actually the alter ego and
sockpuppet of MX. Or perhaps Jay.

wrote in
:

> On Sep 3, 4:38*am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > "george" > wrote in message
>>
>> >m..
> .
>> > On Sep 3, 12:34 am, "Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Talks cheap for an anonymous wanna be.
>>
>> >>And so you persist
>>
>> > I don't claim to be a world class aviatior. Take it up with your
>> > hero Gertie.
>>
>> Awww, you sound bitter and not just a little bit twisted.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I would not be surprised if he were actually the alter ego and
> sockpuppet of MX. Or perhaps Jay.


Jay tried it before and it bit him on the ass. Nah, Maxie is a different
k00k.


Bertie

on 9/3/2008 6:25 AM said the following:
> On Sep 3, 4:38 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> "Lonnie" <@_#~#@.^net> wrote :
>>
>>
>>
>>> "george" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> On Sep 3, 12:34 am, "Zebulon" <@###@.^net> wrote:
>>>>> Talks cheap for an anonymous wanna be.
>>>> And so you persist
>>> I don't claim to be a world class aviatior. Take it up with your hero
>>> Gertie.
>> Awww, you sound bitter and not just a little bit twisted.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> I would not be surprised if he were actually the alter ego and
> sockpuppet of MX. Or perhaps Jay.

Nah, Maxie is a *special* resident of Oklahoma.