Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
technology.

On 2008-11-05 06:31:18 -0800, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > said:

> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
> technology.

They are still required for the commercial pilot ticket. It is still my
favorite part of training commercial pilots. It gets a little, you
know, competitive... :-)

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"jeremy" > wrote in message
...
> Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:
>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>> power?
>
> Always possible but the damage/precision ratio can make it lots of fun.
>
> JJ

A little tale on myself. In the early days - late 40's/ early 50's - we flew
out of a short grass strip with not much buffer if you crossed the threshold
a little high. So you always aimed at the "numbers". After a long winter
when most hops were just for proficiency purposes, I had occasion to cross
country, landing at Blacksburg, Va. Came over the fence about 50/60 feet
high and did a go-around - with about 7000 feet of runway in front of me. No
one said anything when I got down, but I had a comment ready - "Just
shooting an approach". Old habits hard to break!

On Nov 5, 6:31*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
> technology.

Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
the only one here still flying a real airplane?

-Robert, CFII

Robert M. Gary > wrote:
> On Nov 5, 6:31Â*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
>> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
>> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
>> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
>> technology.
>
> Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
> All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
> the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>
> -Robert, CFII

Probably from watching the activities at a typical GA airport with a
runway that is much less than 10,000 feet and seeing people float halfway
down the runway then come to a screeching halt to avoid running off the
end.

I see it happening all the time.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

On Nov 5, 1:15*pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Nov 5, 6:31*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>
> > Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
> > power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
> > training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
> > contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
> > It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
> > technology.
>
> Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
> All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
> the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>
> -Robert, CFII

Robert
Get over yourself! Lets regale everyone about flying 20' over the
water and 200' in a J-3. What does that have to do with improving
anything here? What is your definition of a "real airplane"? You just
having a bad day?

C J Campbell > wrote in
news:2008110507210816807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

> On 2008-11-05 06:31:18 -0800, "Ol Shy & Bashful" >
> said:
>
>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
>> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
>> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
>> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
>> technology.
>
> They are still required for the commercial pilot ticket.


Without power?

Bertie

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in news:83015d41-88f4-4c78-a938-
:

> On Nov 5, 6:31*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
>> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
>> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
>> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
>> technology.
>
> Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
> All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
> the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>

No,


Bertie

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in news:83015d41-88f4-4c78-a938-
:

> On Nov 5, 6:31*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
>> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
>> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
>> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
>> technology.
>
> Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
> All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
> the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>


BTW, what's hypothetical about that?

Bertie

"Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
...
> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
> technology.

Now? Prob'ly not - I'm way too rusty. Back when I was active? Sheeit yes.
Piece of cake. 'course I was flying a taildragger which makes it real easy
if you don't mind doing wheelies.

Dunno that this is anything new. 30+ years ago, I used hand out at the
airport and watch the local flight school Cherokees floating down to at
least midfield again and again.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

"Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in news:0aa58b1f-defc-4c06-
:

> On Nov 5, 1:15*pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
>> On Nov 5, 6:31*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>>
>> > Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>> > power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
>> > training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
>> > contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
>> > It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
>> > technology.
>>
>> Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
>> All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
>> the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>>
>> -Robert, CFII
>
> Robert
> Get over yourself! Lets regale everyone about flying 20' over the
> water and 200' in a J-3.


Sheesh you get a nosebleed doing that.



Bertie

On Nov 5, 2:15*pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Nov 5, 6:31*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>
> > Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
> > power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
> > training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
> > contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
> > It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
> > technology.
>
> Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
> All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
> the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>
> -Robert, CFII

Rocky likes to float these little teasers out here for people to play
with. It's a totally viable teaching technique and I did it all
through my tenure in aviation.
You may prefer things done another way, but I would HARDLY call it
spam, or insinuate that Rocky doesn't fly real airplanes. Now Mxemanix
is another matter entirely :-)))
Dudley Henriques

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...

>> They are still required for the commercial pilot ticket.
>
>
> Without power?

Mine were. (of course, my Commercial is in gliders)

Vaughn

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>> They are still required for the commercial pilot ticket.
>>
>>
>> Without power?
>
> Mine were. (of course, my Commercial is in gliders)
>

If the truth be known, I can't remember. Had ot do one ofr my CFI renewal
from a slip ( in a 45 champ)



Bertie

All the time... Instruct in gliders.. for me the touch down point is ON the
number.. for my students I have them use the first centerline stripe. When
towing, PA-25.. Down and stopped in the first 700ft of runway. We have about
600-700ft of gravel under run to the threshold with no obstructions within
1000ft of the threshold.

When I took my Commercial Multi check ride, the DPE challenged me to
complete the Single Engine approach and touch within the "Captains Bars" to
complete both the SE approach and the accuracy landing portion of the PTS.
He did tell me the SE approach was critical and the bonus was saving another
pattern for the accuracy landing. If the accuracy did not work out. I would
have another pattern to complete the accuracy landing.

When it all came together and I touched in the 1st 3rd of the Captains
Bars.. he mumbled under his breath about "damm glider pilots".

BT

"Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
...
> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
> technology.

It's easier to spot land in a glider, although an aircraft with johnson bar
flaps comes in at a close second.


"BT" > wrote in message
...
> All the time... Instruct in gliders.. for me the touch down point is ON
> the number.. for my students I have them use the first centerline stripe.
> When towing, PA-25.. Down and stopped in the first 700ft of runway. We
> have about 600-700ft of gravel under run to the threshold with no
> obstructions within 1000ft of the threshold.
>
> When I took my Commercial Multi check ride, the DPE challenged me to
> complete the Single Engine approach and touch within the "Captains Bars"
> to complete both the SE approach and the accuracy landing portion of the
> PTS. He did tell me the SE approach was critical and the bonus was saving
> another pattern for the accuracy landing. If the accuracy did not work
> out. I would have another pattern to complete the accuracy landing.
>
> When it all came together and I touched in the 1st 3rd of the Captains
> Bars.. he mumbled under his breath about "damm glider pilots".
>
> BT
>
> "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
>> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
>> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
>> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
>> technology.
>
>

Robert M. Gary wrote:

>
> Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
> All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
> the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>
> -Robert, CFII


Huh? You are an instructor? The best ones I ever had challenged me to do
things beyond that required for a rating or endorsement. At least Old
Shy tries to promote discussion about aviation here. You trying to
discourage it?

On Nov 5, 7:53*pm, "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote:
> It's easier to spot land in a glider, although an aircraft with johnson bar
> flaps comes in at a close second.
>
> "BT" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > All the time... Instruct in gliders.. for me the touch down point is ON
> > the number.. for my students I have them use the first centerline stripe.
> > When towing, PA-25.. Down and stopped in the first 700ft of runway. We
> > have about 600-700ft of gravel under run to the threshold with no
> > obstructions within 1000ft of the threshold.
>
> > When I took my Commercial Multi check ride, the DPE challenged me to
> > complete the Single Engine approach and touch within the "Captains Bars"
> > to complete both the SE approach and the accuracy landing portion of the
> > PTS. He did tell me the SE approach was critical and the bonus was saving
> > another pattern for the accuracy landing. If the accuracy did not work
> > out. I would have another pattern to complete the accuracy landing.
>
> > When it all came together and I touched in the 1st 3rd of the Captains
> > Bars.. he mumbled under his breath about "damm glider pilots".
>
> > BT
>
> > "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
> ....
> >> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
> >> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
> >> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
> >> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
> >> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
> >> technology.

I can't say this over on the student group of course :-)))))))

........but for pilots who are comfortable flying behind the power
curve and can walk that fine line keeping the airplane out of coffin
corner (the power curve coffin corner NOT the altitude coffin
corner :-) in a powered aircraft, a good pilot can plop down many
light airplanes very close to the parameters available to a glider
using spoilers.
Dudley Henriques

Plopping does not count except for back country strips where it is needed..
Nor does the technique of dropping the Johnson Bar to the floor count..
Smooth roll on landings please..
Although I must admit sometimes in the Pawnee the 3 pointers plop on before
I expect it.
That dang bird just hates a 3 knot tail wind and a 3 point landing
combination.
BT

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...


I can't say this over on the student group of course :-)))))))

........but for pilots who are comfortable flying behind the power
curve and can walk that fine line keeping the airplane out of coffin
corner (the power curve coffin corner NOT the altitude coffin
corner :-) in a powered aircraft, a good pilot can plop down many
light airplanes very close to the parameters available to a glider
using spoilers.
Dudley Henriques

On Nov 5, 9:41*pm, "BT" > wrote:
> Plopping does not count except for back country strips where it is needed...
> Nor does the technique of dropping the Johnson Bar to the floor count..
> Smooth roll on landings please..
> Although I must admit sometimes in the Pawnee the 3 pointers plop on before
> I expect it.
> That dang bird just hates a 3 knot tail wind and a 3 point landing
> combination.
> BT
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> I can't say this over on the student group *of course :-)))))))
>
> .......but for pilots who are comfortable flying behind the power
> curve and can walk that fine line keeping the airplane out of coffin
> corner (the power curve coffin corner NOT the altitude coffin
> corner :-) in a powered aircraft, a good pilot can plop down many
> light airplanes very close to the parameters available to a glider
> using spoilers.
> Dudley Henriques

I must be missing something. Are you folks talking "regulation spot
landings" or just putting the airplane down on a specific spot? If the
latter, a behind the curve approach flown by a good pilot comfortable
in that environment will most certainly put the airplane down within a
few feet of the desired spot if the final approach path allows the
shallow approach.
Other than this, a normal spot landing in a powered airplane should
not be as accurate as one flown in a glider......considering of course
no difference between the two cockpits, which can be a HUGE factor in
deciding these things :-)))
DH

On Nov 5, 1:31*pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:

> Robert
> Get over yourself! Lets regale everyone about flying 20' over the
> water and 200' in a J-3. What does that have to do with improving
> anything here? What is your definition of a "real airplane"? You just
> having a bad day?

It just seems ashame. We used to have students post problems and we
would offer them solutions. Now you're posting a solution that is
looking for a problem. I just think its a sad commentary on this group
that we have to find problems for solutions because there isn't enough
real aviation going on to stimulate discussion about actual student
problems.

-Robert, CFII

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
news:cf0c5a28-4548-4dbd-b644-
I must be missing something.

No, you're missing a lot of things.

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 5, 2:15 pm, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Nov 5, 6:31 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>
> > Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
> > power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
> > training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
> > contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
> > It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
> > technology.
>
> Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
> All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
> the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>
> -Robert, CFII

Rocky likes to float these little teasers out here for people to play
with. It's a totally viable teaching technique and I did it all
through my tenure in aviation.
You may prefer things done another way, but I would HARDLY call it
spam, or insinuate that Rocky doesn't fly real airplanes. Now Mxemanix
is another matter entirely :-)))
Dudley Henriques

-------------------------------------------

No it not. It's just Rocky's way of setting around singing "How Great I Art"
because he doesn't have a life. You know, a lot like you.

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 5, 1:31 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:

> Robert
> Get over yourself! Lets regale everyone about flying 20' over the
> water and 200' in a J-3. What does that have to do with improving
> anything here? What is your definition of a "real airplane"? You just
> having a bad day?

It just seems ashame. We used to have students post problems and we
would offer them solutions. Now you're posting a solution that is
looking for a problem. I just think its a sad commentary on this group
that we have to find problems for solutions because there isn't enough
real aviation going on to stimulate discussion about actual student
problems.

-Robert, CFII


--------------------------------------------------------------------------


It's because a very small group of closed mind control freaks (most over the
hill and without a life), insist on controlling every aspect of this group.
And since they all firmly believe they know all the answers, there is very
little left to talk about, except how great they are.

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:15:07 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
> wrote:

>On Nov 5, 6:31*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
>> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
>> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
>> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
>> technology.
>
>Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
>All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
>the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>
>-Robert, CFII

I've been out flying the Tailwind twice in the last week.
sad isnt it to see this level of armchair waffle.
Stealth Pilot

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> news:cf0c5a28-4548-4dbd-b644-
> I must be missing something.
>
> No, you're missing a lot of things.

.....sez Maxie, the non-pilot.

This makes three posts in this thread alone with nothing to offer other than
his usual mindless Okie blather. I have little doubt he'll be up to a few
dozen in no time flat.

"BT" > wrote in message
...
> Plopping does not count except for back country strips where it is
> needed..
> Nor does the technique of dropping the Johnson Bar to the floor count..
> Smooth roll on landings please..

Count in whose book? With just a small surplus of energy to enable a bit of
float, combined with dumping the flaps at the right moment, one can hit a
very precise point and get a smooth roll. It's simply a matter of managing
energy and the plane's capabilities. Since the point of the exercise is to
show off short field or off field landing skills, I say use whatever
aerodynamic properties the aircraft has to your advantage. Your reasoning
makes as much sense as telling a glider pilot they can't use their spoilers.
Furthermore if you ever have a real dead stick landing, knowing how to use
your flaps in such a situation is very handy indeed and could make the
difference between a reusable aircraft or a smoking crater.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Nov 5, 1:31 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>
>> Robert
>> Get over yourself! Lets regale everyone about flying 20' over the
>> water and 200' in a J-3. What does that have to do with improving
>> anything here? What is your definition of a "real airplane"? You just
>> having a bad day?
>
> It just seems ashame. We used to have students post problems and we
> would offer them solutions. Now you're posting a solution that is
> looking for a problem. I just think its a sad commentary on this group
> that we have to find problems for solutions because there isn't enough
> real aviation going on to stimulate discussion about actual student
> problems.
>
> -Robert, CFII
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> It's because a very small group of closed mind control freaks (most over
> the
> hill and without a life), insist on controlling every aspect of this
> group.
> And since they all firmly believe they know all the answers, there is very
> little left to talk about, except how great they are.

No, we just firmly believe you don't know ANY of the answers, Okie, and you
reinforce that belief with each of your posts. So you shouldn't confuse
your limitless ignorance as arrogance on behalf of others.

So what brings you back, Maxie? Did you finally figure out what your
momma's password was? I bet that really ****ed you off when she changed it.

On 2008-11-05 14:50:32 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:

> C J Campbell > wrote in
> news:2008110507210816807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
>
>> On 2008-11-05 06:31:18 -0800, "Ol Shy & Bashful" >
>> said:
>>
>>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>>> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
>>> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
>>> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
>>> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
>>> technology.
>>
>> They are still required for the commercial pilot ticket.
>
>
> Without power?
>
> Bertie

Power off 180 degree accuracy landing.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Nov 6, 1:30*am, "Robert M. Gary" > wrote:
> On Nov 5, 1:31*pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>
> > Robert
> > Get over yourself! Lets regale everyone about flying 20' over the
> > water and 200' in a J-3. What does that have to do with improving
> > anything here? What is your definition of a "real airplane"? You just
> > having a bad day?
>
> It just seems ashame. We used to have students post problems and we
> would offer them solutions. Now you're posting a solution that is
> looking for a problem. I just think its a sad commentary on this group
> that we have to find problems for solutions because there isn't enough
> real aviation going on to stimulate discussion about actual student
> problems.
>
> -Robert, CFII

What the devil IS your problem? This is absolutely normal procedure
for ANY competent CFI. It's done all the time.
I don't know what your problem is with this poster but he is doing
nothing improper, either from the instructor, OR the forum point of
view.
Dudley Henriques

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:27:17 GMT, Mike wrote:

>> It's because a very small group of closed mind control freaks (most over
>> the
>> hill and without a life), insist on controlling every aspect of this
>> group.
>> And since they all firmly believe they know all the answers, there is very
>> little left to talk about, except how great they are.
>
> No, we just firmly believe you don't know ANY of the answers,

There's proof right there from Mike the over the hill asshole.
--
If you really must fellate me,
Though the thought appalls;
Remember work the shaft
And cup the balls.
http://tinyurl.com/krvrm

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> On Nov 5, 6:31 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
>> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
>> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
>> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
>> technology.
>
> Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
> All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
> the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>
> -Robert, CFII

I am still here and flying. I have filtered all the MXs, Berties, etc.
These groups used to enlightening and educational. I tried to use the
POA website, but there is just too much to go though. Here you had the
same thing but it was much easier to navigate. If I need to use that
format, I'll check in with the Cessna Pilot Association. I am a member.
I'll keep out here and read and post as I have a need. Maybe the other
will start coming back.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

On Nov 6, 12:13*pm, Ross > wrote:
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
> > On Nov 5, 6:31 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
> >> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
> >> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
> >> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
> >> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
> >> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
> >> technology.
>
> > Where is this coming from? Is this what this group has degraded to?
> > All we get is spam, MX, and posts about hypothetical situations. Am I
> > the only one here still flying a real airplane?
>
> > -Robert, CFII
>
> I am still here and flying. I have filtered all the MXs, Berties, etc.
> These groups used to enlightening and educational. I tried to use the
> POA website, but there is just too much to go though. Here you had the
> same thing but it was much easier to navigate. If I need to use that
> format, I'll check in with the Cessna Pilot Association. I am a member.
> I'll keep out here and read and post as I have a need. Maybe the other
> will start coming back.
>
> --
>
> Regards, Ross
> C-172F 180HP
> KSWI

I can understand the Mxemanic thing but why are contributing CFI's
like Gary taking on someone like Rocky; a competent instructor
actively working in the profession and simply putting things out to
the forum (aviation related of course) designed to engender active and
pertinent discussion which is totally on topic?
Seems to me, even the active instructors here are getting sucked into
this constant never ending bickering that serves no aviation purpose.
DH

C J Campbell > wrote in
news:2008110606333375249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

> On 2008-11-05 14:50:32 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:
>
>> C J Campbell > wrote in
>> news:2008110507210816807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
>>
>>> On 2008-11-05 06:31:18 -0800, "Ol Shy & Bashful" >
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
>>>> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
>>>> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
>>>> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
>>>> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
>>>> technology.
>>>
>>> They are still required for the commercial pilot ticket.
>>
>>
>> Without power?
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Power off 180 degree accuracy landing.
>

God, I'd forgotten, and I've never trained anyone for a Commercial power
rating either..


Bertie

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> news:cf0c5a28-4548-4dbd-b644-
> I must be missing something.
>
> No, you're missing a lot of things.
>
>

Ahh, just come back to liven things up, Okie boi?


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
|C J Campbell > wrote in
| news:2008110606333375249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
|
| > On 2008-11-05 14:50:32 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:
| >
| >> C J Campbell > wrote in
| >> news:2008110507210816807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
| >>
| >>> On 2008-11-05 06:31:18 -0800, "Ol Shy & Bashful" >
| >>> said:
| >>>
| >>>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot without
| >>>> power? If not you should do some serious practice or get some good
| >>>> training until you can. What happened to the old time spot landing
| >>>> contests that were taking place regularly on weekends?
| >>>> It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the tubes in favor of
| >>>> technology.
| >>>
| >>> They are still required for the commercial pilot ticket.
| >>
| >>
| >> Without power?
| >>
| >> Bertie
| >
| > Power off 180 degree accuracy landing.
| >
|
| God, I'd forgotten, and I've never trained anyone for a Commercial power
| rating either..
|
|
| Bertie
|

Mx has suffered a lot of failures too.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > On Nov 5, 1:31 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
| >
| >> Robert
| >> Get over yourself! Lets regale everyone about flying 20' over the
| >> water and 200' in a J-3. What does that have to do with improving
| >> anything here? What is your definition of a "real airplane"? You just
| >> having a bad day?
| >
| > It just seems ashame. We used to have students post problems and we
| > would offer them solutions. Now you're posting a solution that is
| > looking for a problem. I just think its a sad commentary on this group
| > that we have to find problems for solutions because there isn't enough
| > real aviation going on to stimulate discussion about actual student
| > problems.
| >
| > -Robert, CFII
| >
| >
|
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
| >
| >
| > It's because a very small group of closed mind control freaks (most over
| > the
| > hill and without a life), insist on controlling every aspect of this
| > group.
| > And since they all firmly believe they know all the answers, there is
very
| > little left to talk about, except how great they are.
|
| No, we just firmly believe ...........

What's this we stuff retardo, you got a mouse in your pocket, or are you
convinced you dick is talking to you.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> | >
> ...
> | > On Nov 5, 1:31 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
> | >
> | >> Robert
> | >> Get over yourself! Lets regale everyone about flying 20' over the
> | >> water and 200' in a J-3. What does that have to do with improving
> | >> anything here? What is your definition of a "real airplane"? You just
> | >> having a bad day?
> | >
> | > It just seems ashame. We used to have students post problems and we
> | > would offer them solutions. Now you're posting a solution that is
> | > looking for a problem. I just think its a sad commentary on this group
> | > that we have to find problems for solutions because there isn't enough
> | > real aviation going on to stimulate discussion about actual student
> | > problems.
> | >
> | > -Robert, CFII
> | >
> | >
> |
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | >
> | >
> | > It's because a very small group of closed mind control freaks (most
> over
> | > the
> | > hill and without a life), insist on controlling every aspect of this
> | > group.
> | > And since they all firmly believe they know all the answers, there is
> very
> | > little left to talk about, except how great they are.
> |
> | No, we just firmly believe ...........
>
> What's this we stuff retardo, you got a mouse in your pocket, or are you
> convinced you dick is talking to you.

The "we" is the same as your "they", you subliterate Okie, and yes I'm
pretty convinced that you do talk. It's just that nobody wants to hear your
Okie blather.

Try and keep up.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >
| > | > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
| > | >
| > ...
| > | > On Nov 5, 1:31 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> Robert
| > | >> Get over yourself! Lets regale everyone about flying 20' over the
| > | >> water and 200' in a J-3. What does that have to do with improving
| > | >> anything here? What is your definition of a "real airplane"? You
just
| > | >> having a bad day?
| > | >
| > | > It just seems ashame. We used to have students post problems and we
| > | > would offer them solutions. Now you're posting a solution that is
| > | > looking for a problem. I just think its a sad commentary on this
group
| > | > that we have to find problems for solutions because there isn't
enough
| > | > real aviation going on to stimulate discussion about actual student
| > | > problems.
| > | >
| > | > -Robert, CFII
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > It's because a very small group of closed mind control freaks (most
| > over
| > | > the
| > | > hill and without a life), insist on controlling every aspect of this
| > | > group.
| > | > And since they all firmly believe they know all the answers, there
is
| > very
| > | > little left to talk about, except how great they are.
| > |
| > | No, we just firmly believe ...........
| >
| > What's this we stuff retardo, you got a mouse in your pocket, or are you
| > convinced you dick is talking to you.
|
| The "we" is the same as your "they", you subliterate Okie, and yes I'm
| pretty convinced that you do talk. It's just that nobody wants to hear
your
| Okie blather.
|
| Try and keep up.
|

You sound like Mx on crack. But the only crack you're smoken is Berties.

How does it feel to be nothing more than a second hand "hey boy" for a
lifeless wannabe like Gertie.

Maybe you could go find a bucket to stand on, and kiss Mx's ass.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | >
> | > | > "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> | > | >
> | >
> ...
> | > | > On Nov 5, 1:31 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote:
> | > | >
> | > | >> Robert
> | > | >> Get over yourself! Lets regale everyone about flying 20' over the
> | > | >> water and 200' in a J-3. What does that have to do with improving
> | > | >> anything here? What is your definition of a "real airplane"? You
> just
> | > | >> having a bad day?
> | > | >
> | > | > It just seems ashame. We used to have students post problems and
> we
> | > | > would offer them solutions. Now you're posting a solution that is
> | > | > looking for a problem. I just think its a sad commentary on this
> group
> | > | > that we have to find problems for solutions because there isn't
> enough
> | > | > real aviation going on to stimulate discussion about actual
> student
> | > | > problems.
> | > | >
> | > | > -Robert, CFII
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > It's because a very small group of closed mind control freaks
> (most
> | > over
> | > | > the
> | > | > hill and without a life), insist on controlling every aspect of
> this
> | > | > group.
> | > | > And since they all firmly believe they know all the answers, there
> is
> | > very
> | > | > little left to talk about, except how great they are.
> | > |
> | > | No, we just firmly believe ...........
> | >
> | > What's this we stuff retardo, you got a mouse in your pocket, or are
> you
> | > convinced you dick is talking to you.
> |
> | The "we" is the same as your "they", you subliterate Okie, and yes I'm
> | pretty convinced that you do talk. It's just that nobody wants to hear
> your
> | Okie blather.
> |
> | Try and keep up.
> |
>
> You sound like Mx on crack. But the only crack you're smoken is Berties.
>
> How does it feel to be nothing more than a second hand "hey boy" for a
> lifeless wannabe like Gertie.
>
> Maybe you could go find a bucket to stand on, and kiss Mx's ass.

Wow, Maxie, do you honestly think that everyone in this NG that calls you
out for a subliterate Okie with nothing coherent to offer is Bertie's "hey
boy"? You're much more delusional than I originally thought and that's
really saying something.

Please do keep up the silly Okie metaphors, Maxie. The entertainment value
is well worth it.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
|
| Wow, Maxie, do you honestly think that everyone in this NG that calls you
| out for a subliterate Okie with nothing coherent to offer is Bertie's "hey
| boy"? You're much more delusional than I originally thought and that's
| really saying something.
|
| Please do keep up the silly Okie metaphors, Maxie. The entertainment
value
| is well worth it.
|

If you look like a duck, walk like a duck and quack like a duck, your a
duck.

You don't need my opinion to prove it, you've earned it.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>|C J Campbell > wrote in
>| news:2008110606333375249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
>|
>| > On 2008-11-05 14:50:32 -0800, Bertie the Bunyip > said:
>| >
>| >> C J Campbell > wrote in
>| >> news:2008110507210816807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:
>| >>
>| >>> On 2008-11-05 06:31:18 -0800, "Ol Shy & Bashful"
>| >>> > said:
>| >>>
>| >>>> Can you land to a spot within 100' of the designated spot
>| >>>> without power? If not you should do some serious practice or get
>| >>>> some good training until you can. What happened to the old time
>| >>>> spot landing contests that were taking place regularly on
>| >>>> weekends? It appears that Pilot Proficiency has gone down the
>| >>>> tubes in favor of technology.
>| >>>
>| >>> They are still required for the commercial pilot ticket.
>| >>
>| >>
>| >> Without power?
>| >>
>| >> Bertie
>| >
>| > Power off 180 degree accuracy landing.
>| >
>|
>| God, I'd forgotten, and I've never trained anyone for a Commercial
>| power rating either..
>|
>|
>| Bertie
>|
>
> Mx has suffered a lot of failures too.
>

Not as many as you,though, eh?


Oh wait, you did win the CNTOM ......

my mistake.






Bertie

You two should get a room, or something. You sound like two old married
folks.

Really, take it outside, or e-mail your insults to each other.

Nobody gives a **** about what you two think of each other, or if you think
the other is talking out their ass, when responding to posts.

Give it a rest, already.

Really.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
| You two should get a room, or something. You sound like two old married
| folks.
|
| Really, take it outside, or e-mail your insults to each other.
|
| Nobody gives a **** about what you two think of each other, or if you
think
| the other is talking out their ass, when responding to posts.
|
| Give it a rest, already.
|
| Really.
| --
| Jim in NC
|
|

You must have a really ****ty marriage.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in :

>
> "Morgans" > wrote in message
> ...
>| You two should get a room, or something. You sound like two old married
>| folks.
>|
>| Really, take it outside, or e-mail your insults to each other.
>|
>| Nobody gives a **** about what you two think of each other, or if you
> think
>| the other is talking out their ass, when responding to posts.
>|
>| Give it a rest, already.
>|
>| Really.
>| --
>| Jim in NC
>|
>|
>
> You must have a really ****ty marriage.
>

Jealous fjukktard.


Bertie

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | Wow, Maxie, do you honestly think that everyone in this NG that calls
> you
> | out for a subliterate Okie with nothing coherent to offer is Bertie's
> "hey
> | boy"? You're much more delusional than I originally thought and that's
> | really saying something.
> |
> | Please do keep up the silly Okie metaphors, Maxie. The entertainment
> value
> | is well worth it.
> |
>
> If you look like a duck, walk like a duck and quack like a duck, your a
> duck.

If you look like a subliterate Okie, walk like a subliterate Okie, and snort
like a subliterate Okie, YOU'RE a subliterate Okie.

Never change, Maxipad. I like you just the way you are.


>
> You don't need my opinion to prove it, you've earned it.