Of a commercial airline flight. Is it just out of the question?
I have a comm'l ticket and am an avid aviator so we I might have
something to bond with the crew on the ground, and can understand the
need to stay out of their hair in the air.
That said, I'm not a beautiful lady, so I don't have that going for me.
I imagine that no degree of schmoozing and trying can get me into a jump
seat, unless I happen to know one of the crew. Anyone disagree?
T

Tman wrote:
>
> seat, unless I happen to know one of the crew. Anyone disagree?
> Two

At least on a US based scheduled carrier, you can't usually there simply
by knowing the crew.

In the last year or two, "Flying" author Dick Karl did a ride-along with
fellow "Flying" author Les Abend, on one of Capt. Abend's trips. The
pass he needed required nearly an act of Congress to get, but it was
possible.

Once upon a time, Air Traffic Controllers were allowed to ride in the
jumpseat with proper FAA credentials. From what I understand, even that
is no longer allowed.

I've hitched rides on Part 135 shared charters by knowing the crew, but
the other passengers thought I was another paying customer, and there is
no FAA reg forbidding a free passenger.

When I was a kid in the 70's, a neighbor who flew for American took me
outside on the ramp to walk around parked aircraft @ JFK. We even got
to walk up the external Jetway stairs to tour the planes. It's too bad
there's pretty much no way to do casual stuff like that anymore.

"Tman" > wrote in message
...
| Of a commercial airline flight. Is it just out of the question?
| I have a comm'l ticket and am an avid aviator so we I might have
| something to bond with the crew on the ground, and can understand the
| need to stay out of their hair in the air.
| That said, I'm not a beautiful lady, so I don't have that going for me.
| I imagine that no degree of schmoozing and trying can get me into a jump
| seat, unless I happen to know one of the crew. Anyone disagree?
| T

Prior to 911, some airlines would allow employees (without facial hair) to
ride jump seat at the Captains discretion. The practice was not uncommon,
and often used to allow one more person on an otherwise full aircraft. No
way to tell how often the Captains said yes. Since 911, I'm not really sure.
The no facial hair requirement was specified to assure proper fit of the O2
mask in an emergency.

Tman > wrote:
> Of a commercial airline flight. Is it just out of the question?
> I have a comm'l ticket and am an avid aviator so we I might have
> something to bond with the crew on the ground, and can understand the
> need to stay out of their hair in the air.
> That said, I'm not a beautiful lady, so I don't have that going for me.
> I imagine that no degree of schmoozing and trying can get me into a jump
> seat, unless I happen to know one of the crew. Anyone disagree?
> T

Post 9/11 with locked doors to the cockpit and mouthwash being
confiscated?

You've got to be kidding.

Maybe on Aeroflot where they aren't quite as anal.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

"Tman" > wrote in message
...
> Of a commercial airline flight. Is it just out of the question?
> I have a comm'l ticket and am an avid aviator so we I might have something
> to bond with the crew on the ground, and can understand the need to stay
> out of their hair in the air.
> That said, I'm not a beautiful lady, so I don't have that going for me.
> I imagine that no degree of schmoozing and trying can get me into a jump
> seat, unless I happen to know one of the crew. Anyone disagree?
> T

I used to do it all the time pre-9/11. A couple of the cool ones included a
take-off in a 747-440 from JFK and a 777 IMC approach into HKG. It was only
possible because my fiancee at the time was an active flight attendant at
the time. I've heard that it is possible now only on non-US carriers on
international flights while out of US airspace with an even better chance on
non-US airport trip pairs. If you don't know anyone, my guess is that your
chances are slim to none no matter what carrier.

If you really have the itch, go buy one of those World Air Routes in cockpit
videos. Aside from the [minimal] physical sensations, the experience is
identical and in many ways better since they explain the flight and aircraft
systems in many of the videos.

Marco

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:16:58 -0500, Tman wrote:

> Of a commercial airline flight. Is it just out of the question?

What you are trying to do is possible if you know a pilot and he/she has an
empty maintenance ferry flight.

I had the great fortune to ride on such a flight in a B-737 a couple of
years ago.

With no passengers the flight operates under Part 91 flight rules.

With passengers you are out of luck:
http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part121-547-FAR.shtml


--
Dallas

On Dec 4, 3:35*am, "Marco Leon" > wrote:
t carrier.
>
> If you really have the itch, go buy one of those World Air Routes in cockpit
> videos. Aside from the [minimal] physical sensations, the experience is
> identical and in many ways better since they explain the flight and aircraft
> systems in many of the videos.

you wouldnt be related to Msxmanic by any chance?

Maxwell wrote:
> The no facial hair requirement was specified to assure proper fit of the O2
> mask in an emergency.

?

I see lots of airline pilots with thick mustaches.

"terry" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 4, 3:35 am, "Marco Leon" > wrote:
t carrier.
>
> If you really have the itch, go buy one of those World Air Routes in
> cockpit
> videos. Aside from the [minimal] physical sensations, the experience is
> identical and in many ways better since they explain the flight and
> aircraft
> systems in many of the videos.
>
>you wouldnt be related to Msxmanic by any chance?


Hopefully they don't breed in large numbers.

"Tman" > wrote in message
...
> Of a commercial airline flight. Is it just out of the question?
> I have a comm'l ticket and am an avid aviator so we I might have something
> to bond with the crew on the ground, and can understand the need to stay
> out of their hair in the air.
> That said, I'm not a beautiful lady, so I don't have that going for me.
> I imagine that no degree of schmoozing and trying can get me into a jump
> seat, unless I happen to know one of the crew. Anyone disagree?
> T

Was on a little puddle jumper when I was around 10 or so and to all places
"SPACE CAMP"! It was a regular flight but they allowed me and a friend that
went with me into the cockpit and watch for a little while, (now that I
think about it, kind of like in Airplane! but I don't remember the Captain
asking me about gladiator movies).

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
> Maxwell wrote:
>> The no facial hair requirement was specified to assure proper fit of the
>> O2 mask in an emergency.
>
> ?
>
> I see lots of airline pilots with thick mustaches.

As usual, Maxie doesn't know what he's squawking about.

It depends on the airline in question, but mustaches are generally tolerated
and some even allow beards under certain criteria.

Riding in the jump seat is highly overrated. Even back in the day when I
could ride jumpseat, I preferred to ride in the back, even if it was in
coach.

"terry" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 4, 3:35 am, "Marco Leon" > wrote:
t carrier.
>
> If you really have the itch, go buy one of those World Air Routes in
> cockpit
> videos. Aside from the [minimal] physical sensations, the experience is
> identical and in many ways better since they explain the flight and
> aircraft
> systems in many of the videos.

you wouldnt be related to Msxmanic by any chance?

Nope, Marco is a particpant in this group from way back.

What he says sounds about right. Unless you know someone in a non US
airline, chances of a jump seat ride are slim to none. If that is not you
then perhaps a video ride is the best you will do. And since the physical
sensations on a commercial flight are only slightly more exciting than
sitting in a recliner in your living room, that description sounds about
right too.

Don't be too quick to judge everyone on MX's standards. His simming is not
the problem. He is, in every other way.
--
Jim in NC

On Dec 2, 5:16*pm, Tman > wrote:
> Of a commercial airline flight. *Is it just out of the question?

> That said, I'm not a beautiful lady, so I don't have that going for me.
> I imagine that no degree of schmoozing and trying can get me into a jump
> * seat, unless I happen to know one of the crew. *Anyone disagree?
> T

The only way to ride the jumpseat for quite some time (Pre 9-11 even)
is to be a Flight crewmember with an airline that participates in a
program were your employment can be verified. If your airline does not
participate you can still request a ride but it wont be in the
jumpseat. You would ride in the back space permiting. I took my father
in the jumpseat on one of the last 135 legs that my airline flew
before having to comply with 121 along with all the other commuters
and that was about 12 years ago , so it has been this way for a long
time. The employment verification thing came about after 9/11.
Pretty much the big difference is that things are alot quieter ,
faster TO and landing speeds and a really good autopilot/autothrottle
(G).
Frank

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
...
| Maxwell wrote:
| > The no facial hair requirement was specified to assure proper fit of
the O2
| > mask in an emergency.
|
| ?
|
| I see lots of airline pilots with thick mustaches.

Hard to say, probably depends on the airline and coverage of the mustache.
If it didn't interfere with the O2 masks, like many beards, probably not a
factor.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
|
| As usual, Maxie doesn't know what he's squawking about.
|
| It depends on the airline in question, but mustaches are generally
tolerated
| and some even allow beards under certain criteria.
|
| Riding in the jump seat is highly overrated. Even back in the day when I
| could ride jumpseat, I preferred to ride in the back, even if it was in
| coach.
|

Well by all means little Mikey Mouth, what airlines allow beards that
interrupt the seal of an O2 mask.

Mike wrote:

>
> It depends on the airline in question, but mustaches are generally
> tolerated and some even allow beards under certain criteria.
>
By the airlines maybe, but I imagine not tolerated too well by the cabin
crew.
(Chafing issues on the "lay"over).
T

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "terry" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Dec 4, 3:35 am, "Marco Leon" > wrote:
>
>And since the physical sensations on a commercial flight are only slightly
>more exciting than sitting in a recliner in your living room, that
>description sounds about right too.


That is always my hope!

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:18:43 GMT, Mike wrote:

> Riding

TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
Mikey

SHUT THE **** UP ASSHOLE
--
Bear Bottoms
Private Attorney General

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
> Nope, Marco is a particpant in this group from way back.
>
> What he says sounds about right. Unless you know someone in a non US
> airline, chances of a jump seat ride are slim to none. If that is not you
> then perhaps a video ride is the best you will do. And since the physical
> sensations on a commercial flight are only slightly more exciting than
> sitting in a recliner in your living room, that description sounds about
> right too.
>
> Don't be too quick to judge everyone on MX's standards. His simming is
> not the problem. He is, in every other way.
> --
> Jim in NC

Thanks for the backup Jim. No, MX I'm not although I've sparred with him a
few times until I became enlightened.

Part of the reason I was able to get the jump seats back then was becasue I
was a pilot. I had some good conversations about aircraft systems with a few
in the cockpit crew because of that fact.

The videos are quite close to being there. For pilots--especially instrument
rated ones active in the system--there's even a thing or two to learn about
the different airlines' IFR procedures and what you might be able to
incorporate in your own process.To me, those procedures are the main reason
why their accident record is so good.

Marco

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | As usual, Maxie doesn't know what he's squawking about.
> |
> | It depends on the airline in question, but mustaches are generally
> tolerated
> | and some even allow beards under certain criteria.
> |
> | Riding in the jump seat is highly overrated. Even back in the day when
> I
> | could ride jumpseat, I preferred to ride in the back, even if it was in
> | coach.
> |
>
> Well by all means little Mikey Mouth, what airlines allow beards that
> interrupt the seal of an O2 mask.

None, but that wasn't what I claimed, Okie.

How about you name one single airline that DOESN'T allow mustaches, as you
claimed?

Have you ever worn an aviation O2 mask?

Obviously not.

I don't know of any major domestic airlines that allow them, although that
doesn't mean they don't. Mostly it's just a few regionals and foreign
carriers. The point is it's up to the airline in question.

Here's one that does allow them, but there are several more.

http://www.arcticcircleair.com/Jumpseating.htm

"Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:18:43 GMT, Mike wrote:
>
>> Riding
>
> TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
> Mikey

Only because you're too stupid to realize that's exactly where a kook like
you SHOULD be posting, Kookie.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...

|
| None, but that wasn't what I claimed, Okie.
|
| How about you name one single airline that DOESN'T allow mustaches, as you
| claimed?
|
| Have you ever worn an aviation O2 mask?
|
| Obviously not.
|
| I don't know of any major domestic airlines that allow them, although that
| doesn't mean they don't. Mostly it's just a few regionals and foreign
| carriers. The point is it's up to the airline in question.
|
| Here's one that does allow them, but there are several more.
|
| http://www.arcticcircleair.com/Jumpseating.htm
|

We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will have to
give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your own
homework.

And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always posting
messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of mouse
clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you are to
have the last word, even when you are always wrong.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
| ...
| > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:18:43 GMT, Mike wrote:
| >
| >> Riding
| >
| > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't work
| > Mikey
|
| Only because you're too stupid to realize that's exactly where a kook like
| you SHOULD be posting, Kookie.
|

Says the queen of kooks.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
>
> |
> | None, but that wasn't what I claimed, Okie.
> |
> | How about you name one single airline that DOESN'T allow mustaches, as
> you
> | claimed?
> |
> | Have you ever worn an aviation O2 mask?
> |
> | Obviously not.
> |
> | I don't know of any major domestic airlines that allow them, although
> that
> | doesn't mean they don't. Mostly it's just a few regionals and foreign
> | carriers. The point is it's up to the airline in question.
> |
> | Here's one that does allow them, but there are several more.
> |
> | http://www.arcticcircleair.com/Jumpseating.htm
> |
>
> We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will have to
> give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your own
> homework.
>
> And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always posting
> messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of mouse
> clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you are to
> have the last word, even when you are always wrong.

You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
> | ...
> | > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:18:43 GMT, Mike wrote:
> | >
> | >> Riding
> | >
> | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't
> work
> | > Mikey
> |
> | Only because you're too stupid to realize that's exactly where a kook
> like
> | you SHOULD be posting, Kookie.
> |
>
> Says the queen of kooks.

Ah, another Me2 reply from Maxie as predicted.

Dumb and dumber strike again.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| >
| > |
| > | None, but that wasn't what I claimed, Okie.
| > |
| > | How about you name one single airline that DOESN'T allow mustaches, as
| > you
| > | claimed?
| > |
| > | Have you ever worn an aviation O2 mask?
| > |
| > | Obviously not.
| > |
| > | I don't know of any major domestic airlines that allow them, although
| > that
| > | doesn't mean they don't. Mostly it's just a few regionals and foreign
| > | carriers. The point is it's up to the airline in question.
| > |
| > | Here's one that does allow them, but there are several more.
| > |
| > | http://www.arcticcircleair.com/Jumpseating.htm
| > |
| >
| > We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will have
to
| > give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your own
| > homework.
| >
| > And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always posting
| > messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of mouse
| > clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you are
to
| > have the last word, even when you are always wrong.
|
| You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.


We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will have to
give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your own
homework.

And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always posting
messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of mouse
clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you are to
have the last word, even when you are always wrong.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:18:43 GMT, Mike wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> Riding
| > | >
| > | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't
| > work
| > | > Mikey
| > |
| > | Only because you're too stupid to realize that's exactly where a kook
| > like
| > | you SHOULD be posting, Kookie.
| > |
| >
| > Says the queen of kooks.
|
| Ah, another Me2 reply from Maxie as predicted.
|
| Dumb and dumber strike again.
|

Oh, so you think there is two of you in there now, uh?

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | >
> | > |
> | > | None, but that wasn't what I claimed, Okie.
> | > |
> | > | How about you name one single airline that DOESN'T allow mustaches,
> as
> | > you
> | > | claimed?
> | > |
> | > | Have you ever worn an aviation O2 mask?
> | > |
> | > | Obviously not.
> | > |
> | > | I don't know of any major domestic airlines that allow them,
> although
> | > that
> | > | doesn't mean they don't. Mostly it's just a few regionals and
> foreign
> | > | carriers. The point is it's up to the airline in question.
> | > |
> | > | Here's one that does allow them, but there are several more.
> | > |
> | > | http://www.arcticcircleair.com/Jumpseating.htm
> | > |
> | >
> | > We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will have
> to
> | > give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your own
> | > homework.
> | >
> | > And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always posting
> | > messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of mouse
> | > clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you are
> to
> | > have the last word, even when you are always wrong.
> |
> | You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.
>
>
> We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will have to
> give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your own
> homework.
>
> And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always posting
> messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of mouse
> clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you are to
> have the last word, even when you are always wrong.

You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "Bear Bottoms" > wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:18:43 GMT, Mike wrote:
> | > | >
> | > | >> Riding
> | > | >
> | > | > TRYING TO ISOLATE MY RESPONSE TO soc.subculture.online.kooks ddn't
> | > work
> | > | > Mikey
> | > |
> | > | Only because you're too stupid to realize that's exactly where a
> kook
> | > like
> | > | you SHOULD be posting, Kookie.
> | > |
> | >
> | > Says the queen of kooks.
> |
> | Ah, another Me2 reply from Maxie as predicted.
> |
> | Dumb and dumber strike again.
> |
>
> Oh, so you think there is two of you in there now, uh?

You proved my point brilliantly, meat head.

Keep checking the thread and think harder, Okie. It might come to you
eventually, or you can ask your newfound non-pilot colleague to help.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >
| > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | None, but that wasn't what I claimed, Okie.
| > | > |
| > | > | How about you name one single airline that DOESN'T allow
mustaches,
| > as
| > | > you
| > | > | claimed?
| > | > |
| > | > | Have you ever worn an aviation O2 mask?
| > | > |
| > | > | Obviously not.
| > | > |
| > | > | I don't know of any major domestic airlines that allow them,
| > although
| > | > that
| > | > | doesn't mean they don't. Mostly it's just a few regionals and
| > foreign
| > | > | carriers. The point is it's up to the airline in question.
| > | > |
| > | > | Here's one that does allow them, but there are several more.
| > | > |
| > | > | http://www.arcticcircleair.com/Jumpseating.htm
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will
have
| > to
| > | > give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your own
| > | > homework.
| > | >
| > | > And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always
posting
| > | > messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of
mouse
| > | > clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you
are
| > to
| > | > have the last word, even when you are always wrong.
| > |
| > | You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.
| >
| >
| > We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will have
to
| > give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your own
| > homework.
| >
| > And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always posting
| > messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of mouse
| > clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you are
to
| > have the last word, even when you are always wrong.
|
| You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.
|

How so little mikey? Let's set if you can explain.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...

Not at all, you clueless little dumb ass.

Just keep rattling your empty little pointed head.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | >
> | > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > | > ...
> | > | >
> | > | > |
> | > | > | None, but that wasn't what I claimed, Okie.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | How about you name one single airline that DOESN'T allow
> mustaches,
> | > as
> | > | > you
> | > | > | claimed?
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Have you ever worn an aviation O2 mask?
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Obviously not.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | I don't know of any major domestic airlines that allow them,
> | > although
> | > | > that
> | > | > | doesn't mean they don't. Mostly it's just a few regionals and
> | > foreign
> | > | > | carriers. The point is it's up to the airline in question.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Here's one that does allow them, but there are several more.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | http://www.arcticcircleair.com/Jumpseating.htm
> | > | > |
> | > | >
> | > | > We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will
> have
> | > to
> | > | > give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your
> own
> | > | > homework.
> | > | >
> | > | > And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always
> posting
> | > | > messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of
> mouse
> | > | > clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you
> are
> | > to
> | > | > have the last word, even when you are always wrong.
> | > |
> | > | You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.
> | >
> | >
> | > We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will have
> to
> | > give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your own
> | > homework.
> | >
> | > And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always posting
> | > messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of mouse
> | > clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you are
> to
> | > have the last word, even when you are always wrong.
> |
> | You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.
> |
>
> How so little mikey? Let's set if you can explain.

I prefer to leave you clueless, Okie.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
>
> Not at all, you clueless little dumb ass.
>
> Just keep rattling your empty little pointed head.

Awww, poor Maxie. He got busted cold, couldn't deal with it, and clipped
out his screw up.

I don't know why you bother. Failure should come easy to an anacephalic
Okie like you.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | ...
| > | >
| > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > | > ...
| > | > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| > | > | ...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > | > | > ...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | None, but that wasn't what I claimed, Okie.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | How about you name one single airline that DOESN'T allow
| > mustaches,
| > | > as
| > | > | > you
| > | > | > | claimed?
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Have you ever worn an aviation O2 mask?
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Obviously not.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | I don't know of any major domestic airlines that allow them,
| > | > although
| > | > | > that
| > | > | > | doesn't mean they don't. Mostly it's just a few regionals and
| > | > foreign
| > | > | > | carriers. The point is it's up to the airline in question.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Here's one that does allow them, but there are several more.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | http://www.arcticcircleair.com/Jumpseating.htm
| > | > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | > We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I
will
| > have
| > | > to
| > | > | > give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your
| > own
| > | > | > homework.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always
| > posting
| > | > | > messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of
| > mouse
| > | > | > clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate
you
| > are
| > | > to
| > | > | > have the last word, even when you are always wrong.
| > | > |
| > | > | You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will
have
| > to
| > | > give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your own
| > | > homework.
| > | >
| > | > And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always
posting
| > | > messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of
mouse
| > | > clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you
are
| > to
| > | > have the last word, even when you are always wrong.
| > |
| > | You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.
| > |
| >
| > How so little mikey? Let's set if you can explain.
|
| I prefer to leave you clueless, Okie.
|

Yeah, I didn't think so.

"Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
...
| "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
| > ...
| >
| > Not at all, you clueless little dumb ass.
| >
| > Just keep rattling your empty little pointed head.
|
| Awww, poor Maxie. He got busted cold, couldn't deal with it, and clipped
| out his screw up.
|
| I don't know why you bother. Failure should come easy to an anacephalic
| Okie like you.
|

Really, why don't you show it to us. Bet ya can't, as usual.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | > | ...
> | > | >
> | > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > | > ...
> | > | > | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | > | > | ...
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > | > | > ...
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | None, but that wasn't what I claimed, Okie.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | How about you name one single airline that DOESN'T allow
> | > mustaches,
> | > | > as
> | > | > | > you
> | > | > | > | claimed?
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Have you ever worn an aviation O2 mask?
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Obviously not.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | I don't know of any major domestic airlines that allow them,
> | > | > although
> | > | > | > that
> | > | > | > | doesn't mean they don't. Mostly it's just a few regionals
> and
> | > | > foreign
> | > | > | > | carriers. The point is it's up to the airline in question.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Here's one that does allow them, but there are several more.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | http://www.arcticcircleair.com/Jumpseating.htm
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I
> will
> | > have
> | > | > to
> | > | > | > give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do
> your
> | > own
> | > | > | > homework.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always
> | > posting
> | > | > | > messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple
> of
> | > mouse
> | > | > | > clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate
> you
> | > are
> | > | > to
> | > | > | > have the last word, even when you are always wrong.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > We'll take that as a No, you don't know **** as usual. But I will
> have
> | > to
> | > | > give you credit for finally learning to use Google, and do your
> own
> | > | > homework.
> | > | >
> | > | > And you really do need to loose your childish habit of always
> posting
> | > | > messages to follow up to your home groups. It's only a couple of
> mouse
> | > | > clicks for us to correct it, and it demonstrates how desperate you
> are
> | > to
> | > | > have the last word, even when you are always wrong.
> | > |
> | > | You really are completely clueless, Maxipad.
> | > |
> | >
> | > How so little mikey? Let's set if you can explain.
> |
> | I prefer to leave you clueless, Okie.
> |
>
> Yeah, I didn't think....

Exactly.

"Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> ...
> | "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote in message
> | ...
> | >
> | > "Mike" <nospam @ aol.com> wrote in message
> | > ...
> | >
> | > Not at all, you clueless little dumb ass.
> | >
> | > Just keep rattling your empty little pointed head.
> |
> | Awww, poor Maxie. He got busted cold, couldn't deal with it, and
> clipped
> | out his screw up.
> |
> | I don't know why you bother. Failure should come easy to an anacephalic
> | Okie like you.
> |
>
> Really, why don't you show it to us. Bet ya can't, as usual.

Why would I want to prove you're an anacephalic Okie when you do that
brilliantly yourself?