Ban the CNE Airshow

[Mad as a Box of Frogs]

This rediculous low budget annual CNE airshow is a waste of time and
resources, dangerous to the public's well-being and should be banned
for the rest of time.



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[Garry O]

"Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
...
>
> Am I the only one with half a brain?

It would seem so, I hope that helps.

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[Michael[_9_]]

On Sep 4, 1:49*pm, (Mad as a Box of Frogs)
wrote:
> This rediculous low budget annual CNE airshow is a waste of time and
> resources, dangerous to the public's well-being and should be banned
> for the rest of time.

Agreed. Time for it to stop. Write David Miller.

[Mad as a Box of Frogs]

In article >,
Michael > wrote:
>On Sep 4, 1:49*pm, (Mad as a Box of Frogs)
>wrote:
>> This rediculous low budget annual CNE airshow is a waste of time and
>> resources, dangerous to the public's well-being and should be banned
>> for the rest of time.
>
>Agreed. Time for it to stop. Write David Miller.


Truly the most dangerous waste of time over the top of Toronto.
Since the early 90s I've petitioned for an end to this chronic
aviation masturbation - the CNE will do anything for ticket sales,
nevermind that dozens of fliers have been killed over the years in
this "spectacle" of carnage.


The WORST! *7* men - in a Nimrod 1995 - at the CNE AIRSHOW.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19950902-0
Accident description
Status: Final
Date: 02 SEP 1995
Type: British Aerospace Nimrod MR.2P
Operator: Royal Air Force - RAF
Registration: XV239
C/n / msn: 8014
First flight:
Crew: Fatalities: 7 / Occupants: 7
Passengers: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 0
Total: Fatalities: 7 / Occupants: 7
Airplane damage: Written off
Airplane fate: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: 0,8 km (0.5 mls) off Toronto, ON (Canada) show on map
Phase: Maneuvering (MNV)
Nature: Military
Departure airport: ?
Destination airport: ?
Narrative:

The Inquiry detenmined that the captain made an error of judgement in
modifying one of the display manoeuvres to the extent that he stalled the
aircraft at a height and attitude from which recovery was impossible. The
Inquiry considered that contributory factors could have included
deficiencies in the flight deck crew's training and in the method of
supervision which could have allowed the captain to develop an unsafe
technique without full appreciation of the consequences.

~~~~~~

Note: this occured 1/2 mile from the downtown core of Toronto over Lake
Ontario God willing.



Worldwide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airshow_accidents


~~~~~~~~~~~

Call for the end of ALL military aircraft airshows immediately.

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[Atheist Chaplain[_2_]]

"Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> Michael > wrote:
>>On Sep 4, 1:49 pm, (Mad as a Box of Frogs)
>>wrote:
>>> This rediculous low budget annual CNE airshow is a waste of time and
>>> resources, dangerous to the public's well-being and should be banned
>>> for the rest of time.
>>
>>Agreed. Time for it to stop. Write David Miller.
>
>
> Truly the most dangerous waste of time over the top of Toronto.
> Since the early 90s I've petitioned for an end to this chronic
> aviation masturbation - the CNE will do anything for ticket sales,
> nevermind that dozens of fliers have been killed over the years in
> this "spectacle" of carnage.
>
>
> The WORST! *7* men - in a Nimrod 1995 - at the CNE AIRSHOW.
> http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19950902-0
> Accident description
> Status: Final
> Date: 02 SEP 1995
> Type: British Aerospace Nimrod MR.2P
> Operator: Royal Air Force - RAF
> Registration: XV239
> C/n / msn: 8014
> First flight:
> Crew: Fatalities: 7 / Occupants: 7
> Passengers: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 0
> Total: Fatalities: 7 / Occupants: 7
> Airplane damage: Written off
> Airplane fate: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
> Location: 0,8 km (0.5 mls) off Toronto, ON (Canada) show on map
> Phase: Maneuvering (MNV)
> Nature: Military
> Departure airport: ?
> Destination airport: ?
> Narrative:
>
> The Inquiry detenmined that the captain made an error of judgement in
> modifying one of the display manoeuvres to the extent that he stalled the
> aircraft at a height and attitude from which recovery was impossible. The
> Inquiry considered that contributory factors could have included
> deficiencies in the flight deck crew's training and in the method of
> supervision which could have allowed the captain to develop an unsafe
> technique without full appreciation of the consequences.
>
> ~~~~~~
>
> Note: this occured 1/2 mile from the downtown core of Toronto over Lake
> Ontario God willing.
>
>
>
> Worldwide:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airshow_accidents
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Call for the end of ALL military aircraft airshows immediately.
>
> --
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> DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?


you truly are an idiot of the highest caliber, well done expecting an
aviation group to help you to ban an air show, it just shows how truly out
of touch with reality you are.
I for one would love for my local area to host an air show with the
reputation of the CNE, instead I have to fly/drive hundreds, sometimes
thousands of miles to see one.

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[vaughn[_2_]]

"Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
...
> Truly the most ...

Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.

Vaughn

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
"vaughn" > wrote:

> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Truly the most ...
>
> Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.

The dried frog pills, right?

[Mad as a Box of Frogs]

In article >,
Steve Hix > wrote:
>In article >,
> "vaughn" > wrote:
>
>> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Truly the most ...
>>
>> Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.
>
>The dried frog pills, right?


No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.


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[Orval Fairbairn[_2_]]

In article >,
(Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:

> In article >,
> Steve Hix > wrote:
> >In article >,
> > "vaughn" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Truly the most ...
> >>
> >> Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.
> >
> >The dried frog pills, right?
>
>
> No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.

.....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain stem!

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[Mad as a Box of Frogs]

In article >,
Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>In article >,
> (Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Steve Hix > wrote:
>> >In article >,
>> > "vaughn" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > Truly the most ...
>> >>
>> >> Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.
>> >
>> >The dried frog pills, right?
>>
>>
>> No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.
>
>....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain stem!


Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.

Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead of
offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other bumpkins
offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea what
I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe from
supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
of dingbats similar to yourself.


hth hand stfu GSTQ



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[Garry O]

"Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>>In article >,
>> (Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> Steve Hix > wrote:
>>> >In article >,
>>> > "vaughn" > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >> > Truly the most ...
>>> >>
>>> >> Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.
>>> >
>>> >The dried frog pills, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.
>>
>>....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain stem!
>
>
> Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.
>
> Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead of
> offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other bumpkins
> offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea what
> I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe from
> supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
> of dingbats similar to yourself.
>
>
> hth hand stfu GSTQ
>
>
>
> --
> Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
> DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?

It would seem that I was correct, you really are the only one here with half
a brain, as originally suggested by your sig.
I would recommend that you actually put that half to work, instead of only
using a few neurons at a time as is currently obvious to all in the Aviation
groups.
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[Orval Fairbairn[_2_]]

In article >,
"Garry O" > wrote:

> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article
> > >,
> > Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
> >>In article >,
> >> (Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> Steve Hix > wrote:
> >>> >In article >,
> >>> > "vaughn" > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
> >>> >> ...
> >>> >> > Truly the most ...
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.
> >>> >
> >>> >The dried frog pills, right?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.
> >>
> >>....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain stem!
> >
> >
> > Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.
> >
> > Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead of
> > offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other bumpkins
> > offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea what
> > I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe from
> > supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
> > of dingbats similar to yourself.
> >
> >
> > hth hand stfu GSTQ
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
> > DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?
>
> It would seem that I was correct, you really are the only one here with half
> a brain, as originally suggested by your sig.
> I would recommend that you actually put that half to work, instead of only
> using a few neurons at a time as is currently obvious to all in the Aviation
> groups.

No -- he just proved that he doesn't even have half a brain -- more like
the brain stem only!

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[jerry wass]

What is the CNE air show???

Garry O wrote:
> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article
>> >,
>> Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> (Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> Steve Hix > wrote:
>>>> >In article >,
>>>> > "vaughn" > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
>>>> >> ...
>>>> >> > Truly the most ...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.
>>>> >
>>>> >The dried frog pills, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.
>>>
>>> ....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain stem!
>>
>>
>> Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.
>>
>> Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead of
>> offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other bumpkins
>> offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea what
>> I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe from
>> supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
>> of dingbats similar to yourself.
>>
>>
>> hth hand stfu GSTQ
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
>> DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?
>
> It would seem that I was correct, you really are the only one here with
> half a brain, as originally suggested by your sig.
> I would recommend that you actually put that half to work, instead of
> only using a few neurons at a time as is currently obvious to all in the
> Aviation groups.

[Garry O]

"Jerry Wass" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
> What is the CNE air show???
>
> Garry O wrote:
>> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article
>>> >,
>>> Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> (Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> Steve Hix > wrote:
>>>>> >In article >,
>>>>> > "vaughn" > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
>>>>> >> ...
>>>>> >> > Truly the most ...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The dried frog pills, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.
>>>>
>>>> ....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain stem!
>>>
>>>
>>> Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.
>>>
>>> Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead of
>>> offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other bumpkins
>>> offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea what
>>> I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe from
>>> supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
>>> of dingbats similar to yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>> hth hand stfu GSTQ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
>>> DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?
>>
>> It would seem that I was correct, you really are the only one here with
>> half a brain, as originally suggested by your sig.
>> I would recommend that you actually put that half to work, instead of
>> only using a few neurons at a time as is currently obvious to all in the
>> Aviation groups.

Canadian International Air Show :-)
http://www.cias.org/
One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
millions) into the local economy every year.

--
Flying RA Aus, because its cheaper and I can do it more often :-)

[Mad as a Box of Frogs]

In article >,
Garry O > wrote:
>"Jerry Wass" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the CNE air show???
>>
>> Garry O wrote:
>>> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> In article
>>>> >,
>>>> Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> (Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> Steve Hix > wrote:
>>>>>> >In article >,
>>>>>> > "vaughn" > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
>>>>>> >> ...
>>>>>> >> > Truly the most ...
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >The dried frog pills, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.
>>>>>
>>>>> ....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain stem!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.
>>>>
>>>> Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead of
>>>> offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other bumpkins
>>>> offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea what
>>>> I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe from
>>>> supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
>>>> of dingbats similar to yourself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hth hand stfu GSTQ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
>>>> DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?
>>>
>>> It would seem that I was correct, you really are the only one here with
>>> half a brain, as originally suggested by your sig.
>>> I would recommend that you actually put that half to work, instead of
>>> only using a few neurons at a time as is currently obvious to all in the
>>> Aviation groups.
>
>Canadian International Air Show :-)
>http://www.cias.org/
>One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
>millions) into the local economy every year.
>
>--
>Flying RA Aus, because its cheaper and I can do it more often :-)
>


Hold it in a field hundreds of kilometers away from the core of the GTA.
Let 'em all crash and burn out there. 7 fliers in a Nimrod would have
still been alive if not for the restrictions imposed on a freaking Nimrod
trying to fly at low altitude within the confines of office towers,
condominiums and city parks packed with spectators.

Insanity.


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[Garry O]

"Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Garry O > wrote:
>>"Jerry Wass" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the CNE air show???
>>>
>>> Garry O wrote:
>>>> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >,
>>>>> Orval Fairbairn > wrote:
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> (Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> Steve Hix > wrote:
>>>>>>> >In article >,
>>>>>>> > "vaughn" > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> "Mad as a Box of Frogs" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> >> ...
>>>>>>> >> > Truly the most ...
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >The dried frog pills, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain
>>>>>> stem!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.
>>>>>
>>>>> Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead
>>>>> of
>>>>> offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other
>>>>> bumpkins
>>>>> offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea
>>>>> what
>>>>> I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe
>>>>> from
>>>>> supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
>>>>> of dingbats similar to yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hth hand stfu GSTQ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
>>>>> DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?
>>>>
>>>> It would seem that I was correct, you really are the only one here with
>>>> half a brain, as originally suggested by your sig.
>>>> I would recommend that you actually put that half to work, instead of
>>>> only using a few neurons at a time as is currently obvious to all in
>>>> the
>>>> Aviation groups.
>>
>>Canadian International Air Show :-)
>>http://www.cias.org/
>>One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
>>millions) into the local economy every year.
>>
>>--
>>Flying RA Aus, because its cheaper and I can do it more often :-)
>>
>
>
> Hold it in a field hundreds of kilometers away from the core of the GTA.
> Let 'em all crash and burn out there. 7 fliers in a Nimrod would have
> still been alive if not for the restrictions imposed on a freaking Nimrod
> trying to fly at low altitude within the confines of office towers,
> condominiums and city parks packed with spectators.
>
> Insanity.
>
>
> --
> Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
> DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?

you keep mourning for the loss of the Nimrod crew but seem very keen for
everyone else to die, does retardation run deep in your family, or is it
just you with the problem ??
The only one here with obvious insanity problem is you.

--
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[BERNIE THE BUNION]

> What is the CNE air show???

Canadian National Exhibition

And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.

[Garry O]

"BERNIE THE BUNION" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>> What is the CNE air show???
>
> Canadian National Exhibition
>
> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.

we figured that :-)

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[Michael Ross]

Garry O wrote:
> "BERNIE THE BUNION" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>>> What is the CNE air show???
>>
>> Canadian National Exhibition
>>
>> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.
>
> we figured that :-)
>

Yeah, way to toss ad hominems just because you disagree with opinions.
Reflects poorly on you. When someone is trying to engage you in
intelligent conversation, you can either respond intelligently or grab
hold and squeeze your nuts until the urge to say something stupid has
passed.

>>Canadian International Air Show :-)
>>http://www.cias.org/
>>One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
>>millions) into the local economy every year.

What no one is talking about here is the health impact of military jet
fuel. Any dollars "injected" are spent many times over in health care.

The direct health impacts of military jet fuel, which is sprayed
directly over us in copious quantities of aerosol for six days each
year, are well documented in Toxicologic Assessment of Jet-Propulsion
Fuel 8, Subcommittee on Jet-Propulsion Fuel 8, Committee on Toxicology,
National Research Council (National Academies Press, 2003). It's
available here, free of charge:
http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10578

Of the many components of JP-8: benzene, naphthalene, Poly-Aromatic
Hydrocarbons, heavy metals (lead), countless known carcinogens,
mutagens, neurotoxins, immuno-suppressants, irritants, etc...

The air show website arrogantly semi-apologizes for the noise and
"disturbance" during this week. It ignores the health issues and points
out the financial benefits. Financial benefits to whom? Every single
cent Toronto pockets from the air show will be spent many times over in
the future for its consequences. As just one example, the neurotoxins
spewed today will without a doubt contribute to the incidence of
schizophrenia, which in turn will grow the number of homeless in the
city, costing us money in countless ways.

It is time for this arrogance and frivolous destruction of human life to
stop. This is not a war zone. This is not pollution by necessity and
military dictum. This is boys playing with toys and whimpering when
adults take the toys away because they are harmful to society.

[jerry wass]

BERNIE THE BUNION wrote:
>> What is the CNE air show???
>
> Canadian National Exhibition
>
> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.

I could tell that ! just didn't know the original premise.

[[email protected]]

In article >,
Garry O > wrote:
>
>Canadian International Air Show :-)
>http://www.cias.org/
>One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
>millions) into the local economy every year.

You seem to be knowledgable about the technical aspects, but I don't
think the quantity of money involved is very significant. How many
people come to Toronto just for this airshow, and not the CNE per se?
Surely far fewer than for many other events like Caribana and the Gay
Pride celebrations. And hundreds of thousands of dollars isn't all that
much these days, y'know. It costs on the order of half a million to
buy a very ordinary small old house on a tiny lot in downtown Toronto.
Even a downtown condo costs about that much. In an economy of more than
2 million people in Toronto and about 8-10 million in the GTA, even a
few million dollars isn't very much.

I live several miles north of the site, and I've put up with the noise
for decades. When the planes turn around between stunts, they do so
over my house and a lot of other densely populated terrain in downtown
Toronto -- probably some of the most densely populated terrain in Canada.

This year the noise was substantially worse than it's ever been. I could
feel the porch floorboards vibrating under my feet on some passes,
as well as a sort of vibration in my bones and chest. The noise level
was often painful, and it kept setting off car alarms. This is really
unacceptable, even if it's "only" six days.

We took some photos of the planes causing the most problems as they flew
overhead, and they had US NAVY painted on the undersides. Perhaps this
troupe flew much lower than usual.

I'd like to know if any effort is made to minimize noise by, for example,
doing as much of the turning as possible over the lake, or at higher
altitudes. I think there should be limits set on the intensity of noise
at ground level away from the site of the actual show -- these fliers
should be able to modify their performances to meet rules that make
them less of a problem for the hundreds of thousands of people under
their flight paths who are not interested in the airshow. It's not
like it's taking place in a rural area where the spectators outnumber
the uninvolved.

I suspect that if some significant effort at noise abatement isn't made,
the airshow may indeed be banned. If the CIAS isn't willing to do so,
they may have to find another venue for the show.

[tom c[_3_]]

"BERNIE THE BUNION" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>> What is the CNE air show???
>
> Canadian National Exhibition
>
> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.

Which one of you?

[BERNIE THE BUNION]

> >> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.

> Yeah, way to toss ad hominems just because you disagree with opinions.
> Reflects poorly on you. When someone is trying to engage you in
> intelligent conversation

WHAT INTELLIGENT CONVERSATIONS......???????

> The direct health impacts of military jet fuel, which is sprayed
> directly over us in copious quantities of aerosol for six days each
> year, are well documented

As apposed to the air pollution that comes from all those cars that run
through Toronto 24 hours a day every day of the year.

If your going to use that weak arguement then shouldn't you be whining
about how much pollution comes from the Pearson (intenational) airport.

Take those guys on first and see how far you get in the various general
newsgroups you crossposted too.

Then go after diesel trucks and busses, then taxis.

Once you have gotten those polluters off the road then come back here
and go after a six day airshow enjoyed by millions of your fellow
citizens.

Until then put a sock in it you idiot.

[Michael Ross]

BERNIE THE BUNION wrote:
>>>> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.
>
>> Yeah, way to toss ad hominems just because you disagree with opinions.
>> Reflects poorly on you. When someone is trying to engage you in
>> intelligent conversation
>
> WHAT INTELLIGENT CONVERSATIONS......???????
>
>> The direct health impacts of military jet fuel, which is sprayed
>> directly over us in copious quantities of aerosol for six days each
>> year, are well documented
>
> As apposed to the air pollution that comes from all those cars that run
> through Toronto 24 hours a day every day of the year.
>
> If your going to use that weak arguement then shouldn't you be whining
> about how much pollution comes from the Pearson (intenational) airport.
>
> Take those guys on first and see how far you get in the various general
> newsgroups you crossposted too.
>
> Then go after diesel trucks and busses, then taxis.
>
> Once you have gotten those polluters off the road then come back here
> and go after a six day airshow enjoyed by millions of your fellow
> citizens.

Millions? Um, no. The CNE had just over ONE million visitors this year,
NOT the just air show. That's 50,000 people a day, so 150,000 max for
the air show days if every single CNE attendee watched the little boy
toys flutter about. Which they didn't.

>
> Until then put a sock in it you idiot.

Yay, I'm an idiot too! Pot--kettle--black....

You, on the other hand, don't know how to read. Or write. (It's
"opposed", not "apposed", among other civilized uses of English you
failed to use.)

What you ignored is that I said MILITARY jet fuel (JP-8). It's 100 times
more poisonous than commercial aviation fuel or automobile fuel, because
those are regulated. The military throws its weight around and instills
fear in people to circumvent regulatory control.

So no. I will go after any unnecessary use of JP-8, the military poison,
as the most urgent threat to the city of Toronto and its 6 million
inhabitants.

[Mad as a Box of Frogs]

In article >,
> wrote:
>In article >,
>Garry O > wrote:
>>
>>Canadian International Air Show :-)
>>http://www.cias.org/
>>One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
>>millions) into the local economy every year.
>

Buy this man a round!!!!!!!!!!


>I live several miles north of the site, and I've put up with the noise
>for decades. When the planes turn around between stunts, they do so
>over my house and a lot of other densely populated terrain in downtown
>Toronto -- probably some of the most densely populated terrain in Canada.

My point underscored - by the majority of Torontonians. It *has* to be
stopped. Petition is necessary.

My new cause I suppose - wait - not new. I've been beating this tree
trunk for more than 13 years.


>This year the noise was substantially worse than it's ever been. I could
>feel the porch floorboards vibrating under my feet on some passes,
>as well as a sort of vibration in my bones and chest. The noise level
>was often painful, and it kept setting off car alarms. This is really
>unacceptable, even if it's "only" six days.

Windows vibrating. Every life form flying or running terrified. Worse than
the worst of thunderstorms. Truly insane "entertainment". For what?
The pathetic rotting carcass of CNE coffers.


>We took some photos of the planes causing the most problems as they flew
>overhead, and they had US NAVY painted on the undersides. Perhaps this
>troupe flew much lower than usual.

Ya think? I was told fines were levied. I've checked for a news story
about this but have yet to pun down the actual story. The DB level cuased
ringing in the ears for a good while after the assholes landed.

>I'd like to know if any effort is made to minimize noise by, for example,
>doing as much of the turning as possible over the lake, or at higher
>altitudes. I think there should be limits set on the intensity of noise
>at ground level away from the site of the actual show -- these fliers
>should be able to modify their performances to meet rules that make
>them less of a problem for the hundreds of thousands of people under
>their flight paths who are not interested in the airshow. It's not
>like it's taking place in a rural area where the spectators outnumber
>the uninvolved.


The rediculous spectacle has to be relocated to an area where there is no
chance of thousands of people being incinerated from *another*
catastrophic crash. It is the repugnant CNE cash greedy that insists on
this annual Russian roulette show being located over the city core.
All important box office sales to keep pumping life into a truly mundane
"exhibition". We do not need supersonic military aircraft formation flying
over our city. Period.

>I suspect that if some significant effort at noise abatement isn't made,
>the airshow may indeed be banned. If the CIAS isn't willing to do so,
>they may have to find another venue for the show.


Petition.

Great followup sir!


--
Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?

[Mad as a Box of Frogs]

In article >,
Michael Ross > wrote:
>Garry O wrote:
>> "BERNIE THE BUNION" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>> What is the CNE air show???
>>>
>>> Canadian National Exhibition
>>>
>>> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.
>>
>> we figured that :-)
>>
>
>Yeah, way to toss ad hominems just because you disagree with opinions.
>Reflects poorly on you. When someone is trying to engage you in
>intelligent conversation, you can either respond intelligently or grab
>hold and squeeze your nuts until the urge to say something stupid has
>passed.
>
> >>Canadian International Air Show :-)
> >>http://www.cias.org/
> >>One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
> >>millions) into the local economy every year.
>
>What no one is talking about here is the health impact of military jet
>fuel. Any dollars "injected" are spent many times over in health care.
>
>The direct health impacts of military jet fuel, which is sprayed
>directly over us in copious quantities of aerosol for six days each
>year, are well documented in Toxicologic Assessment of Jet-Propulsion
>Fuel 8, Subcommittee on Jet-Propulsion Fuel 8, Committee on Toxicology,
>National Research Council (National Academies Press, 2003). It's
>available here, free of charge:
>http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10578
>
>Of the many components of JP-8: benzene, naphthalene, Poly-Aromatic
>Hydrocarbons, heavy metals (lead), countless known carcinogens,
>mutagens, neurotoxins, immuno-suppressants, irritants, etc...

6 days, perhaps a dozen jets flying over a 2 to four hour period.
How many tons of toxins? I'm sure the math isn't hard to calculate.

Don't bother, *Tons* will suffice.


>The air show website arrogantly semi-apologizes for the noise and
>"disturbance" during this week. It ignores the health issues and points
>out the financial benefits. Financial benefits to whom? Every single
>cent Toronto pockets from the air show will be spent many times over in
>the future for its consequences. As just one example, the neurotoxins
>spewed today will without a doubt contribute to the incidence of
>schizophrenia, which in turn will grow the number of homeless in the
>city, costing us money in countless ways.
>
>It is time for this arrogance and frivolous destruction of human life to
>stop. This is not a war zone. This is not pollution by necessity and
>military dictum. This is boys playing with toys and whimpering when
>adults take the toys away because they are harmful to society.


One of those toys - like many before that have hit terra firma in
TORONTO, will level an entire neighborhood. A slight tick of the wings
of two separate toys is all it will take, or a brief moment of wind shear.
Anyone recall pictures of the World Trade Center swallowing a couple of
low speed commercial aircraft not so long ago?

Get them to hell away from my neighborhood now.



--
Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?

[Alan Baker]

In article >,
Michael Ross > wrote:

> BERNIE THE BUNION wrote:
> >>>> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.
> >
> >> Yeah, way to toss ad hominems just because you disagree with opinions.
> >> Reflects poorly on you. When someone is trying to engage you in
> >> intelligent conversation
> >
> > WHAT INTELLIGENT CONVERSATIONS......???????
> >
> >> The direct health impacts of military jet fuel, which is sprayed
> >> directly over us in copious quantities of aerosol for six days each
> >> year, are well documented
> >
> > As apposed to the air pollution that comes from all those cars that run
> > through Toronto 24 hours a day every day of the year.
> >
> > If your going to use that weak arguement then shouldn't you be whining
> > about how much pollution comes from the Pearson (intenational) airport.
> >
> > Take those guys on first and see how far you get in the various general
> > newsgroups you crossposted too.
> >
> > Then go after diesel trucks and busses, then taxis.
> >
> > Once you have gotten those polluters off the road then come back here
> > and go after a six day airshow enjoyed by millions of your fellow
> > citizens.
>
> Millions? Um, no. The CNE had just over ONE million visitors this year,
> NOT the just air show. That's 50,000 people a day, so 150,000 max for
> the air show days if every single CNE attendee watched the little boy
> toys flutter about. Which they didn't.

You think that only the people who attend the CNE see the airshow?

How... ...limited of you.

>
> >
> > Until then put a sock in it you idiot.
>
> Yay, I'm an idiot too! Pot--kettle--black....
>
> You, on the other hand, don't know how to read. Or write. (It's
> "opposed", not "apposed", among other civilized uses of English you
> failed to use.)
>
> What you ignored is that I said MILITARY jet fuel (JP-8). It's 100 times
> more poisonous than commercial aviation fuel or automobile fuel, because
> those are regulated. The military throws its weight around and instills
> fear in people to circumvent regulatory control.
>
> So no. I will go after any unnecessary use of JP-8, the military poison,
> as the most urgent threat to the city of Toronto and its 6 million
> inhabitants.

Citations for this?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

[Alan Baker]

In article >,
(Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:

> In article >,
> Michael Ross > wrote:
> >Garry O wrote:
> >> "BERNIE THE BUNION" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> What is the CNE air show???
> >>>
> >>> Canadian National Exhibition
> >>>
> >>> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.
> >>
> >> we figured that :-)
> >>
> >
> >Yeah, way to toss ad hominems just because you disagree with opinions.
> >Reflects poorly on you. When someone is trying to engage you in
> >intelligent conversation, you can either respond intelligently or grab
> >hold and squeeze your nuts until the urge to say something stupid has
> >passed.
> >
> > >>Canadian International Air Show :-)
> > >>http://www.cias.org/
> > >>One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
> > >>millions) into the local economy every year.
> >
> >What no one is talking about here is the health impact of military jet
> >fuel. Any dollars "injected" are spent many times over in health care.
> >
> >The direct health impacts of military jet fuel, which is sprayed
> >directly over us in copious quantities of aerosol for six days each
> >year, are well documented in Toxicologic Assessment of Jet-Propulsion
> >Fuel 8, Subcommittee on Jet-Propulsion Fuel 8, Committee on Toxicology,
> >National Research Council (National Academies Press, 2003). It's
> >available here, free of charge:
> >http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10578
> >
> >Of the many components of JP-8: benzene, naphthalene, Poly-Aromatic
> >Hydrocarbons, heavy metals (lead), countless known carcinogens,
> >mutagens, neurotoxins, immuno-suppressants, irritants, etc...
>
> 6 days, perhaps a dozen jets flying over a 2 to four hour period.
> How many tons of toxins? I'm sure the math isn't hard to calculate.

And yet, you don't bother...

>
> Don't bother, *Tons* will suffice.
>
>
> >The air show website arrogantly semi-apologizes for the noise and
> >"disturbance" during this week. It ignores the health issues and points
> >out the financial benefits. Financial benefits to whom? Every single
> >cent Toronto pockets from the air show will be spent many times over in
> >the future for its consequences. As just one example, the neurotoxins
> >spewed today will without a doubt contribute to the incidence of
> >schizophrenia, which in turn will grow the number of homeless in the
> >city, costing us money in countless ways.
> >
> >It is time for this arrogance and frivolous destruction of human life to
> >stop. This is not a war zone. This is not pollution by necessity and
> >military dictum. This is boys playing with toys and whimpering when
> >adults take the toys away because they are harmful to society.
>
>
> One of those toys - like many before that have hit terra firma in
> TORONTO, will level an entire neighborhood. A slight tick of the wings
> of two separate toys is all it will take, or a brief moment of wind shear.
> Anyone recall pictures of the World Trade Center swallowing a couple of
> low speed commercial aircraft not so long ago?
>
> Get them to hell away from my neighborhood now.

Unless your "neighbourhood" is the water of the harbour...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

[Michael Ross]

Alan Baker wrote:
> In article >,
> Michael Ross > wrote:
>
>> BERNIE THE BUNION wrote:
>>>>>> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.
>>>> Yeah, way to toss ad hominems just because you disagree with opinions.
>>>> Reflects poorly on you. When someone is trying to engage you in
>>>> intelligent conversation
>>> WHAT INTELLIGENT CONVERSATIONS......???????
>>>
>>>> The direct health impacts of military jet fuel, which is sprayed
>>>> directly over us in copious quantities of aerosol for six days each
>>>> year, are well documented
>>> As apposed to the air pollution that comes from all those cars that run
>>> through Toronto 24 hours a day every day of the year.
>>>
>>> If your going to use that weak arguement then shouldn't you be whining
>>> about how much pollution comes from the Pearson (intenational) airport.
>>>
>>> Take those guys on first and see how far you get in the various general
>>> newsgroups you crossposted too.
>>>
>>> Then go after diesel trucks and busses, then taxis.
>>>
>>> Once you have gotten those polluters off the road then come back here
>>> and go after a six day airshow enjoyed by millions of your fellow
>>> citizens.
>> Millions? Um, no. The CNE had just over ONE million visitors this year,
>> NOT the just air show. That's 50,000 people a day, so 150,000 max for
>> the air show days if every single CNE attendee watched the little boy
>> toys flutter about. Which they didn't.
>
> You think that only the people who attend the CNE see the airshow?
>
> How... ...limited of you.
>
>> > Until then put a sock in it you idiot.
>>
>> Yay, I'm an idiot too! Pot--kettle--black....
>>
>> You, on the other hand, don't know how to read. Or write. (It's
>> "opposed", not "apposed", among other civilized uses of English you
>> failed to use.)
>>
>> What you ignored is that I said MILITARY jet fuel (JP-8). It's 100 times
>> more poisonous than commercial aviation fuel or automobile fuel, because
>> those are regulated. The military throws its weight around and instills
>> fear in people to circumvent regulatory control.
>>
>> So no. I will go after any unnecessary use of JP-8, the military poison,
>> as the most urgent threat to the city of Toronto and its 6 million
>> inhabitants.
>
> Citations for this?

Alan, please take the time to read the entire thread, where you will
find the citations. Or do you mean what dictionary is the word "apposed"
found in? ;)

>

[R[_2_]]

Michael Ross wrote:
> Alan, please take the time to read the entire thread, where you will
> find the citations.

I am not Alan, however, you got my curiosity up.
Nowhere, in this thread, or, in the links you posted is any
substantiation that JP-8 is any more toxic than commercial grade Jet-A,
A1, or, even kerosene. I am curious, from where do you derive this
idea. Your link to the study
"Toxicologic Assessment of Jet-Propulsion Fuel 8" actually serves to
debunk the notion that JP-8 is any more toxic than Jet-A.

I am guessing that you have not read the links that you are posting.

Citations?

[Mad as a Box of Frogs]

In article >,
Alan Baker > wrote:
>In article >,
> (Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Michael Ross > wrote:
>> >Garry O wrote:
>> >> "BERNIE THE BUNION" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> What is the CNE air show???
>> >>>
>> >>> Canadian National Exhibition
>> >>>
>> >>> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.
>> >>
>> >> we figured that :-)
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yeah, way to toss ad hominems just because you disagree with opinions.
>> >Reflects poorly on you. When someone is trying to engage you in
>> >intelligent conversation, you can either respond intelligently or grab
>> >hold and squeeze your nuts until the urge to say something stupid has
>> >passed.
>> >
>> > >>Canadian International Air Show :-)
>> > >>http://www.cias.org/
>> > >>One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
>> > >>millions) into the local economy every year.
>> >
>> >What no one is talking about here is the health impact of military jet
>> >fuel. Any dollars "injected" are spent many times over in health care.
>> >
>> >The direct health impacts of military jet fuel, which is sprayed
>> >directly over us in copious quantities of aerosol for six days each
>> >year, are well documented in Toxicologic Assessment of Jet-Propulsion
>> >Fuel 8, Subcommittee on Jet-Propulsion Fuel 8, Committee on Toxicology,
>> >National Research Council (National Academies Press, 2003). It's
>> >available here, free of charge:
>> >http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10578
>> >
>> >Of the many components of JP-8: benzene, naphthalene, Poly-Aromatic
>> >Hydrocarbons, heavy metals (lead), countless known carcinogens,
>> >mutagens, neurotoxins, immuno-suppressants, irritants, etc...
>>
>> 6 days, perhaps a dozen jets flying over a 2 to four hour period.
>> How many tons of toxins? I'm sure the math isn't hard to calculate.
>
>And yet, you don't bother...
>
>>
>> Don't bother, *Tons* will suffice.
>>
>>
>> >The air show website arrogantly semi-apologizes for the noise and
>> >"disturbance" during this week. It ignores the health issues and points
>> >out the financial benefits. Financial benefits to whom? Every single
>> >cent Toronto pockets from the air show will be spent many times over in
>> >the future for its consequences. As just one example, the neurotoxins
>> >spewed today will without a doubt contribute to the incidence of
>> >schizophrenia, which in turn will grow the number of homeless in the
>> >city, costing us money in countless ways.
>> >
>> >It is time for this arrogance and frivolous destruction of human life to
>> >stop. This is not a war zone. This is not pollution by necessity and
>> >military dictum. This is boys playing with toys and whimpering when
>> >adults take the toys away because they are harmful to society.
>>
>>
>> One of those toys - like many before that have hit terra firma in
>> TORONTO, will level an entire neighborhood. A slight tick of the wings
>> of two separate toys is all it will take, or a brief moment of wind shear.
>> Anyone recall pictures of the World Trade Center swallowing a couple of
>> low speed commercial aircraft not so long ago?
>>
>> Get them to hell away from my neighborhood now.
>
>Unless your "neighbourhood" is the water of the harbour...



Try you best to stay focused Alan. The area they turn around in is the
thread. You weren`t here, yet you babble on. The aircraft fly directly
over the GTA from the downtown core - north to the 401 - east to the DVP
and west to the Humber River, hoping they`ll be able to turn around to do
another fly past the idiots watching from ground, at the pathetic CNE.

Millons of people live in the area boundaried by the above landmarks.
They do *nothing* over the water - you are dull.

--
Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?

[R[_2_]]

Mad as a Box of Frogs wrote:

> They do *nothing* over the water - you are dull.

I am not answering for Alan, but merely making a personal observation:
When I watch the Airshow at the CNE, I have grabbed a stretch of grass
on one of the islands adjoining the southside of the exhibition grounds
and watched the airshow, while, facing south with nothing, but water and
airplanes in front of me.

[Alan Baker]

In article >,
(Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:

> In article >,
> Alan Baker > wrote:
> >In article >,
> > (Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> Michael Ross > wrote:
> >> >Garry O wrote:
> >> >> "BERNIE THE BUNION" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> What is the CNE air show???
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Canadian National Exhibition
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.
> >> >>
> >> >> we figured that :-)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Yeah, way to toss ad hominems just because you disagree with opinions.
> >> >Reflects poorly on you. When someone is trying to engage you in
> >> >intelligent conversation, you can either respond intelligently or grab
> >> >hold and squeeze your nuts until the urge to say something stupid has
> >> >passed.
> >> >
> >> > >>Canadian International Air Show :-)
> >> > >>http://www.cias.org/
> >> > >>One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
> >> > >>millions) into the local economy every year.
> >> >
> >> >What no one is talking about here is the health impact of military jet
> >> >fuel. Any dollars "injected" are spent many times over in health care.
> >> >
> >> >The direct health impacts of military jet fuel, which is sprayed
> >> >directly over us in copious quantities of aerosol for six days each
> >> >year, are well documented in Toxicologic Assessment of Jet-Propulsion
> >> >Fuel 8, Subcommittee on Jet-Propulsion Fuel 8, Committee on Toxicology,
> >> >National Research Council (National Academies Press, 2003). It's
> >> >available here, free of charge:
> >> >http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10578
> >> >
> >> >Of the many components of JP-8: benzene, naphthalene, Poly-Aromatic
> >> >Hydrocarbons, heavy metals (lead), countless known carcinogens,
> >> >mutagens, neurotoxins, immuno-suppressants, irritants, etc...
> >>
> >> 6 days, perhaps a dozen jets flying over a 2 to four hour period.
> >> How many tons of toxins? I'm sure the math isn't hard to calculate.
> >
> >And yet, you don't bother...
> >
> >>
> >> Don't bother, *Tons* will suffice.
> >>
> >>
> >> >The air show website arrogantly semi-apologizes for the noise and
> >> >"disturbance" during this week. It ignores the health issues and points
> >> >out the financial benefits. Financial benefits to whom? Every single
> >> >cent Toronto pockets from the air show will be spent many times over in
> >> >the future for its consequences. As just one example, the neurotoxins
> >> >spewed today will without a doubt contribute to the incidence of
> >> >schizophrenia, which in turn will grow the number of homeless in the
> >> >city, costing us money in countless ways.
> >> >
> >> >It is time for this arrogance and frivolous destruction of human life to
> >> >stop. This is not a war zone. This is not pollution by necessity and
> >> >military dictum. This is boys playing with toys and whimpering when
> >> >adults take the toys away because they are harmful to society.
> >>
> >>
> >> One of those toys - like many before that have hit terra firma in
> >> TORONTO, will level an entire neighborhood. A slight tick of the wings
> >> of two separate toys is all it will take, or a brief moment of wind shear.
> >> Anyone recall pictures of the World Trade Center swallowing a couple of
> >> low speed commercial aircraft not so long ago?
> >>
> >> Get them to hell away from my neighborhood now.
> >
> >Unless your "neighbourhood" is the water of the harbour...
>
>
>
> Try you best to stay focused Alan. The area they turn around in is the
> thread. You weren`t here, yet you babble on. The aircraft fly directly
> over the GTA from the downtown core - north to the 401 - east to the DVP
> and west to the Humber River, hoping they`ll be able to turn around to do
> another fly past the idiots watching from ground, at the pathetic CNE.
>
> Millons of people live in the area boundaried by the above landmarks.
> They do *nothing* over the water - you are dull.

Aircraft pretty regularly turn around without mishap.

They do all the stunts over the water.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

[[email protected]]

In article >,
Mad as a Box of Frogs > wrote:
>
>Petition.

And who will you present the petition to? CIAS? CNE? Why should they do
anything other than ignore it?

It would be more effective to write to your MP, MPP and city councillor.
That's what I intend to do. I also intend to present the case calmly
and without hyperbole, asking whether there are noise limit rules, and
whether they can be enforced more effectively.

Rather than spending your time and effort on petitions, encourage others
to write to the people who can actually do something about the problem,
and can be motivated to act, rather than the people whose vested interest
is in the status quo.

>Great followup sir!

That's ma'am, not sir.

[Garry O]

> wrote in message
.. .
> In article >,
> Mad as a Box of Frogs > wrote:
>>
>>Petition.
>
> And who will you present the petition to? CIAS? CNE? Why should they do
> anything other than ignore it?
>
> It would be more effective to write to your MP, MPP and city councillor.
> That's what I intend to do. I also intend to present the case calmly
> and without hyperbole, asking whether there are noise limit rules, and
> whether they can be enforced more effectively.
>
> Rather than spending your time and effort on petitions, encourage others
> to write to the people who can actually do something about the problem,
> and can be motivated to act, rather than the people whose vested interest
> is in the status quo.
>
>>Great followup sir!
>
> That's ma'am, not sir.
>

And the MP's etc will look at it, look at the generated revenue and toss it
in the too hard basket while telling you they "will look into it"

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Flying RA Aus, because its cheaper and I can do it more often :-)

[jan olieslagers[_2_]]

Mad as a Box of Frogs schreef:
> This rediculous low budget

discussion has nothing to do with homebuilding an aeroplane.
Begone from rec.aviation.homebuilt!