VFR into IMC and almost into terrain - on video

[Jim Logajan]

I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
pilot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk

[Jim Logajan]

Jim Logajan > wrote:
> I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
> pilot:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk

Just read through the comments on the video - the video poster says an FAA
investigation or case is indeed in progress.

[Ross]

Jim Logajan wrote:
> I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
> pilot:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk

Was that laughing at the end? I would not be laughing. How stupid.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
Sold :(
KSWI

[Mike Ash]

In article >,
Jim Logajan > wrote:

> I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
> pilot:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk

That'll put hair on your chest! Talk about lucky to be alive....

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

[Mike Ash]

In article >,
Ross > wrote:

> Jim Logajan wrote:
> > I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
> > pilot:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk
>
> Was that laughing at the end? I would not be laughing. How stupid.

Laughter is a perfectly normal human response to surviving danger. It
doesn't say anything bad about them, or that they don't also take it
seriously.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

[Darkwing]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
>I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
> pilot:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk


HOLY CRAP! That is an amazing piece of video there.

[Jim Logajan]

Ross > wrote:
> Jim Logajan wrote:
>> I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
>> pilot:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk
>
> Was that laughing at the end? I would not be laughing. How stupid.

Not stupid - reading through the comments posted below the video, you'd
find this exchange:

"I trust the laughing at the end was showing joy in being alive, rather
than thinking the whole thing was a merry jape?"

"You'd be exactly right in that assumption. We knew full well just how
fortunate we were to be alive. What you hear is nervous laughter because we
weren't sure how to deal with it otherwise."

and:

"For days afterwards I wasn't right.. I just couldn't comprehend how we
didn't die. It was like I was listening to myself talking to people in
disbelief that I was actually alive. In the raw footage, after it shows my
friend's reaction he turns the camera on his lap sideways and it shows me
curling up and bracing for impact. I haven't lost trust in pilots but there
is no chance of me flying in a small plane unless weather conditions are
perfect and the pilot knows how to not rely fully on gps."

[Jim Logajan]

"Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
>> pilot:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk
>
>
> HOLY CRAP! That is an amazing piece of video there.

Controlled flight into terrain isn't (alas) uncommon - but videos of close
calls like that do appear to be unusual.

I once searched the NTSB database for helicopter accidents having 2 or more
fatalities over a few years time and saw that a depressingly large fraction
appeareed to be due to emergency medical helicopters flying into terrain at
night or VFR into IMC.

[Orval Fairbairn[_2_]]

In article >,
"Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
> > pilot:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk
>
>
> HOLY CRAP! That is an amazing piece of video there.

I would file that under "Stupid Pilot Tricks."

BTW: What happened to the L-39 that started out in formation with them?
He was on the left, so he should have gotten a front-row seat to the
action.

--
Remove _'s from email address to talk to me.

[a[_3_]]

On Oct 21, 10:57*pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote:
> In article >,
>
> *"Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > >I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
> > > pilot:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk
>
> > HOLY CRAP! That is an amazing piece of video there.
>
> I would file that under "Stupid Pilot Tricks."
>
> BTW: What happened to the L-39 that started out in formation with them?
> He was on the left, so he should have gotten a front-row seat to the
> action.
>
> --
> Remove _'s *from email address to talk to me.

I doubt there were two pilots stupid enough to be formation flying in
the soup! Does anyone know if the L 39 was IFR?

There's another strange thing about the video -- if you watch the
pilot when he's lost visual reference, he 'presents' as calm as any of
us rated on instruments might be in the clouds. He clearly was not
looking left for the L 39. Wouldn't you think most guys flying that
equipment would be rated for instruments and simply know better than
to do that?

Often the threads here have to do with marginal improvements in safe
flying: fine tuning for guys who are already pretty safe pilots. It
scares me to know there are clowns like this guy sharing our airspace.
Controlled flight into the ground harms him and his pax -- he could
also wander onto my airway. I want him out of my sky!

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "OF" == Orval Fairbairn > writes:

OF> BTW: What happened to the L-39 that started out in formation
OF> with them? He was on the left, so he should have gotten a
OF> front-row seat to the action.

Imagine trying to continue formation into IMC...more idiocy if done.
--
Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist
(pirate?). You do it with a whole fleet and are called an emperor.
~ St. Augustine

[VOR-DME]

In article >,
says...

>
>The only thing amazing is the incredible amount of inexperience and
>naïveté you are showing with this post.


Jeffrey Bloss is having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that
today's world population comprises 6,791,799.999 morons and one Jeffrey
Bloss. It's lonely at the top.

[Dan D[_2_]]

Did the L39 fly through also?



"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message .. .
> I wonder if the feds will or can use this video as evidence against the
> pilot:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nm8pNgqBAk

[[email protected][_2_]]

On Oct 22, 3:01*am, Bob Fry > wrote:
> >>>>> "OF" == Orval Fairbairn > writes:
>
> * * OF> BTW: What happened to the L-39 that started out in formation
> * * OF> with them? *He was on the left, so he should have gotten a
> * * OF> front-row seat to the action.
>
> Imagine trying to continue formation into IMC...more idiocy if done.

Actually, flying formation IMC is relatively easy and common in the
military. You just close up to fingertip and stay there until lead
wags you out. Can be really vertigo inducing - in two seat planes
it's common to ask the other pilot/WSO to confirm the attitude!
Formation letdowns through weather are the normal way to return, and
if an instrument approach is required, the wingman will "drag" prior
to the IAF to establish separation.

Most clouds are not very thick and seeing the lead is easy. However,
a nice puffy cumulus can really surprise the wingman and force a rapid
separation maneuver (prebriefed, of course) when lead - 10 feet away -
disappears as you pop into the cloud!

That being said, the L-39 pilot would have been insane to follow the
Bonanza into the weather at low altitude without a clearance!

Kirk