P-63 (?) Airacobra/Kingcobra power question

[Ricky]

A question for the physics-minded among us, or for anyone who just has
the answer.

I have heard the Airacobra was underpowered and that got me to
thinking;
Does having an engine at the middle of the fuselage (in any plane for
that matter, like the XP-58) and connected by a long shaft contribute
to a loss of power delivered to the propeller? In other words; would
there be more power delivered the closer the engine is to the prop?
Does the shaft "eat up" power in any way? I am a mechanic and pilot
and fairly knowlegable about a/c physics & aerodynamics but this has
me stumped.

Thanks in advance for your ponderings and/or solution!

Ricky

[vaughn[_2_]]

"Ricky" > wrote in message
...
> Does having an engine at the middle of the fuselage (in any plane for
> that matter, like the XP-58) and connected by a long shaft contribute
> to a loss of power delivered to the propeller? In other words; would
> there be more power delivered the closer the engine is to the prop?

As its name "rec.aviation.piloting" implies, this group is more for airplane
drivers than for aircraft designers or aviation historians. You will get better
answers at rec.aviation.military, and perhaps some very interesting answers at
rec.aviation.homebuilt.

Regards
Vaughn

[a[_3_]]

On Nov 3, 9:13*am, Ricky > wrote:
> A question for the physics-minded among us, or for anyone who just has
> the answer.
>
> I have heard the Airacobra was underpowered and that got me to
> thinking;
> Does having an engine at the middle of the fuselage (in any plane for
> that matter, like the XP-58) and connected by a long shaft contribute
> to a loss of power delivered to the propeller? In other words; would
> there be more power delivered the closer the engine is to the prop?
> Does the shaft "eat up" power in any way? I am a mechanic and pilot
> and fairly knowlegable about a/c physics & aerodynamics but this has
> me stumped.
>
> Thanks in advance for your ponderings and/or solution!
>
> Ricky

Ricky, the question you'd have to ask is, if the energy is put into
the shaft at the engine end, where could it go? One answer is heat,
the the other sound energy, but really most of it is delivered to the
prop. Long shafts do cause vibration problems, but those can be
overcome.

As it happens, there are other reasons for putting engines close to
the front of a single engine airplane. The middle is a good place to
park passengers, you avoid the weight/space issues with the shaft.

My aerodynamic question had always been why there are fewer pusher
props. In a puller some of the wind energy is used up against the
airplane. In fact one of the things that made the Mooney 201 better
than the Executive is the windscreen and cowling were redesigned to
more effectively deflect the wind. In the case of the Mooney, the wind
against the airplane is airspeed plus that contributed by the prop,
and losses go up like something of the square of wind velocity.

This could be a long thread, and some posters may actually contribute
to the discussion.

[Ron Wanttaja[_2_]]

Ricky wrote:
> A question for the physics-minded among us, or for anyone who just has
> the answer.
>
> I have heard the Airacobra was underpowered and that got me to
> thinking;
> Does having an engine at the middle of the fuselage (in any plane for
> that matter, like the XP-58) and connected by a long shaft contribute
> to a loss of power delivered to the propeller? In other words; would
> there be more power delivered the closer the engine is to the prop?
> Does the shaft "eat up" power in any way? I am a mechanic and pilot
> and fairly knowlegable about a/c physics & aerodynamics but this has
> me stumped.

The shaft itself won't eat up power, but the various gearboxes and shaft
supports required will. Every bearing has a bit of friction; every
gearbox has a bit of drag. A long drive shaft, and the gearbox required
to let the cannon shoot through the hub, would cost more power than the
straight installation.

Whether it was enough to matter, in the case of the P-39, is another
thing. ISTR the P-39's problem was the lack of a turbocharger rather
than overall low power... the Airacobra started losing oommmmph above
12,000 feet, and it turned out that most of the combat was higher than that.

Remember, Tex Johnston won the Thompson Trophy in a P-39, and set a
speed record, besides.

Ron Wanttaja

[Ron Wanttaja[_2_]]

a wrote:

> My aerodynamic question had always been why there are fewer pusher
> props. In a puller some of the wind energy is used up against the
> airplane.

In a pusher, the prop has to operate in turbulent air stirred up by the
structure in front. Depending on the design of the airplane, the prop
also has to be stronger (e.g., heavier) to withstand the cycling loads
if there's a wing or something blocking part of the prop disk from the
slipstream (think Long-EZ).


Ron Wanttaja

[Ricky]

On Nov 3, 9:09*am, "vaughn" >
wrote:

> As its name "rec.aviation.piloting" implies, this group is more for airplane
> drivers than for aircraft designers or aviation historians...(rest snipped) *

> Regards
> Vaughn

Hey, thanks for your suggestion. I've been in Usenet since the early
90s and am very careful (generally) about on-topic discussion. This is
totally on topic and useful, interesting & beneficial to this
particular community. I am an "airplane driver," and, I'm sure you
know or will learn, drivers run the gamut of interest in airplanes in
every aspect.
I submit this topic with absolutely NO reservation that this is
violating the traditions of an "airplane driver's" group.

Thanks anyway,

Ricky

[Mike[_30_]]

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:10:54 -0800 (PST), Ricky wrote:

> On Nov 3, 9:09*am, "vaughn" >
> wrote:
>
>> As its name "rec.aviation.piloting" implies, this group is more for airplane
>> drivers than for aircraft designers or aviation historians...(rest snipped) *
>
>> Regards
>> Vaughn
>
> Hey, thanks for your suggestion. I've been in Usenet since the early
> 90s and am very careful (generally) about on-topic discussion. This is
> totally on topic and useful, interesting & beneficial to this
> particular community. I am an "airplane driver," and, I'm sure you
> know or will learn, drivers run the gamut of interest in airplanes in
> every aspect.
> I submit this topic with absolutely NO reservation that this is
> violating the traditions of an "airplane driver's" group.
>
> Thanks anyway,
>
> Ricky

This article should answer that for you. Good Luck!

http://tinyurl.com/5gt7

[a[_3_]]

On Nov 3, 10:55*am, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> a wrote:
> > My aerodynamic question had always been why there are fewer pusher
> > props. In a puller some of the wind energy is used up against the
> > airplane.
>
> In a pusher, the prop has to operate in turbulent air stirred up by the
> structure in front. *Depending on the design of the airplane, the prop
> also has to be stronger (e.g., heavier) to withstand the cycling loads
> if there's a wing or something blocking part of the prop disk from the
> slipstream (think Long-EZ).
>
> Ron Wanttaja

Thanks! I seem to remember the pusher in the C310 was less effective
too.

[Steve Hix[_2_]]

In article
>,
a > wrote:

> On Nov 3, 10:55*am, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> > a wrote:
> > > My aerodynamic question had always been why there are fewer pusher
> > > props. In a puller some of the wind energy is used up against the
> > > airplane.
> >
> > In a pusher, the prop has to operate in turbulent air stirred up by the
> > structure in front. *Depending on the design of the airplane, the prop
> > also has to be stronger (e.g., heavier) to withstand the cycling loads
> > if there's a wing or something blocking part of the prop disk from the
> > slipstream (think Long-EZ).
> >
> > Ron Wanttaja
>
> Thanks! I seem to remember the pusher in the C310 was less effective
> too.

Cessna?

The C-336/337 turns out to perform slightly better in single-engine
flight on the rear engine than the front.

[Steve Hix[_2_]]

In article >,
Ron Wanttaja > wrote:

> Ricky wrote:
> > A question for the physics-minded among us, or for anyone who just has
> > the answer.
> >
> > I have heard the Airacobra was underpowered and that got me to
> > thinking;
> > Does having an engine at the middle of the fuselage (in any plane for
> > that matter, like the XP-58) and connected by a long shaft contribute
> > to a loss of power delivered to the propeller? In other words; would
> > there be more power delivered the closer the engine is to the prop?
> > Does the shaft "eat up" power in any way? I am a mechanic and pilot
> > and fairly knowlegable about a/c physics & aerodynamics but this has
> > me stumped.
>
> [snip]
>
> Whether it was enough to matter, in the case of the P-39, is another
> thing. ISTR the P-39's problem was the lack of a turbocharger rather
> than overall low power... the Airacobra started losing oommmmph above
> 12,000 feet, and it turned out that most of the combat was higher than that.

Combat in the ETO tended to be higher than other theaters, which, since
the USAAC pulled the turbocharger from the P-39, hamstrung it in that
arena. The Airacobra was also a small aircraft, with limited fuel, as it
was designed as a point defense fighter, and lack of range hurt it, too.

That said, the Russians liked it pretty well, since air combat on the
eastern front tended to remain below 15,000', and it performed well down
there against the Luftwaffe. (In spite of the 37mm cannon, the P-39 was
used much more in the anti-air role, and not against German armor; the
Il-2 was much better down in the mud.)

The P-39/P-400 didn't exactly shine, not that it embarrassed itself, in
the Pacific, partly due to the long distances that were common there.

[Brian Whatcott]

Ricky wrote:
> A question for the physics-minded among us, or for anyone who just has
> the answer.
>
> I have heard the Airacobra was underpowered and that got me to
> thinking;
> Does having an engine at the middle of the fuselage (in any plane for
> that matter, like the XP-58) and connected by a long shaft contribute
> to a loss of power delivered to the propeller? In other words; would
> there be more power delivered the closer the engine is to the prop?
> Does the shaft "eat up" power in any way? I am a mechanic and pilot
> and fairly knowlegable about a/c physics & aerodynamics but this has
> me stumped.
>
> Thanks in advance for your ponderings and/or solution!
>
> Ricky

It's a question often asked in connection with long shafts.
The elastic angular compliance can be a positive help with vibrations,
which are absorbed by a quill shaft. But a shaft drive train that's
curved takes pillow blocks to support the curve, and these bearings take
some (small) power on their own account. Otherwise, air drag, and
bearing drag apart, there's no loss in a long quill shaft.

Brian W

[a[_3_]]

On Nov 3, 8:51*pm, brian whatcott > wrote:
> Ricky wrote:
> > A question for the physics-minded among us, or for anyone who just has
> > the answer.
>
> > I have heard the Airacobra was underpowered and that got me to
> > thinking;
> > Does having an engine at the middle of the fuselage (in any plane for
> > that matter, like the XP-58) and connected by a long shaft contribute
> > to a loss of power delivered to the propeller? In other words; would
> > there be more power delivered the closer the engine is to the prop?
> > Does the shaft "eat up" power in any way? I am a mechanic and pilot
> > and fairly knowlegable about a/c physics & aerodynamics but this has
> > me stumped.
>
> > Thanks in advance for your ponderings and/or solution!
>
> > Ricky
>
> It's a question often asked in connection with long shafts.
> The elastic angular compliance can be a positive help with vibrations,
> which are absorbed by a quill shaft. But a shaft drive train that's
> curved takes pillow blocks to support the curve, and these bearings take
> some (small) power on their own account. Otherwise, air drag, and
> bearing drag apart, there's no loss in a long quill shaft.
>
> Brian W

I had a ME design a centrifuge application with the shaft running well
above its critical speed a bunch of years ago, but don't remember the
tradeoffs that led me to accept that embodiment. It was not an
aviation application in any event. I did find the observation about
wind profiles around a pusher imposing design constraints -- I'd have
thought that far aft winds in the disk would be fairly uniform except
at high angles of attack.

Have you a sense of the improvement of thrust, if any, a given engine
might have wing mounted vs nose mounted? There's less to blow against
but the wind does extend to well past the prop disk so some of that
air near the outside diameter is compromised by the wing. I'm thinking
of an application where one wants the maximum endurance at fairly low
speeds. That around the world airplane that came out of Scaled
Composites might hold the answer.

[a[_3_]]

On Nov 3, 9:52*pm, a > wrote:
> On Nov 3, 8:51*pm, brian whatcott > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ricky wrote:
> > > A question for the physics-minded among us, or for anyone who just has
> > > the answer.
>
> > > I have heard the Airacobra was underpowered and that got me to
> > > thinking;
> > > Does having an engine at the middle of the fuselage (in any plane for
> > > that matter, like the XP-58) and connected by a long shaft contribute
> > > to a loss of power delivered to the propeller? In other words; would
> > > there be more power delivered the closer the engine is to the prop?
> > > Does the shaft "eat up" power in any way? I am a mechanic and pilot
> > > and fairly knowlegable about a/c physics & aerodynamics but this has
> > > me stumped.
>
> > > Thanks in advance for your ponderings and/or solution!
>
> > > Ricky
>
> > It's a question often asked in connection with long shafts.
> > The elastic angular compliance can be a positive help with vibrations,
> > which are absorbed by a quill shaft. But a shaft drive train that's
> > curved takes pillow blocks to support the curve, and these bearings take
> > some (small) power on their own account. Otherwise, air drag, and
> > bearing drag apart, there's no loss in a long quill shaft.
>
> > Brian W
>
> I had a ME design a centrifuge application with the shaft running well
> above its critical speed a bunch of years ago, but don't remember the
> tradeoffs that led me to accept that embodiment. *It was not an
> aviation application in any event. I did find the observation about
> wind profiles around a pusher imposing design constraints -- I'd have
> thought that far aft winds in the disk would be fairly uniform except
> at high angles of attack.
>
> Have you a sense of the improvement of thrust, if any, *a given engine
> might have wing mounted vs nose mounted? There's less to blow against
> but the wind does extend to well past the prop disk so some of that
> air near the outside diameter is compromised by the wing. I'm thinking
> of an application where one wants the maximum endurance at fairly low
> speeds. That around the world airplane that came out of Scaled
> Composites might hold the answer.

Opps, not built by scaled composites after all. Interesting that the
rear engine was the one that ran all of the time, so that was the more
efficient location (but what does Rutan know?).

[Ron Wanttaja[_2_]]

a wrote:
> On Nov 3, 10:55 am, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
>> a wrote:
>>> My aerodynamic question had always been why there are fewer pusher
>>> props. In a puller some of the wind energy is used up against the
>>> airplane.
>> In a pusher, the prop has to operate in turbulent air stirred up by the
>> structure in front. Depending on the design of the airplane, the prop
>> also has to be stronger (e.g., heavier) to withstand the cycling loads
>> if there's a wing or something blocking part of the prop disk from the
>> slipstream (think Long-EZ).
>>
>> Ron Wanttaja
>
> Thanks! I seem to remember the pusher in the C310 was less effective
> too.

As Steve pointed out, you were thinking of the C336/337 Skymaster. It
*did* have a better rate of climb on the rear engine. One theory I read
was that it was due to the aerodynamics of the rather blunt back end
being better when there was an engine to help suck the air past....

There's no real pat answer; you can find efficient pusher aircraft, just
like you can find efficient tractor planes.

For an example, see:

http://www.ar-5.com/

Years ago, when there was a controversy as to whether paddles or
propellers were most efficient for ships, the British came up with a
simple test: They built two identical ships, with identical engines,
one with paddles and one with a prop. They tied a rope between the
sterns, and had the captains go to full power to see which had more thrust.

Pity you can't do this with a couple of airplanes....

Ron Wanttaja

[Jim Logajan]

Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> Years ago, when there was a controversy as to whether paddles or
> propellers were most efficient for ships, the British came up with a
> simple test: They built two identical ships, with identical engines,
> one with paddles and one with a prop. They tied a rope between the
> sterns, and had the captains go to full power to see which had more
> thrust.

Wikipedia says that "In 1848 the British Admiralty held a tug of war
contest between a propeller driven ship, Rattler, and a paddle wheel ship,
Alecto. Rattler won, towing Alecto astern at 2.5 knots (4.6 km/h)...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propeller

However, it is probable that the paddle wheel ship simply didn't have the
right size paddles. Paddle wheels should be capable of efficiencies similar
to propellers - but it takes very large wheels.

[Ron Wanttaja[_2_]]

Jim Logajan wrote:

> However, it is probable that the paddle wheel ship simply didn't have the
> right size paddles. Paddle wheels should be capable of efficiencies similar
> to propellers - but it takes very large wheels.

Jim, Jim, Jim.... HOW can you set us up with a straight line like that?

1. "It's not the size of the wheels, it's how you use them."

2. "If they would have set up the wheels in a canard configuration, it
would have been more efficient."

:-)

Ron Wanttaja

[a[_3_]]

On Nov 4, 1:19*am, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> Jim Logajan wrote:
> > However, it is probable that the paddle wheel ship simply didn't have the
> > right size paddles. Paddle wheels should be capable of efficiencies similar
> > to propellers - but it takes very large wheels.
>
> Jim, Jim, Jim.... HOW can you set us up with a straight line like that?
>
> 1. *"It's not the size of the wheels, it's how you use them."
>
> 2. *"If they would have set up the wheels in a canard configuration, it
> would have been more efficient."
>
> :-)
>
> Ron Wanttaja

Paddle wheels got screwed. It's just another demonstration that the
spinning thing belongs on the back of the hull.

[Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]]

a wrote:
>
> Paddle wheels got screwed. It's just another demonstration that the
> spinning thing belongs on the back of the hull.
>

Except when it belongs in the front.

"At full load the Mackinaw displaced 5,252.4 tons and drew 19' 2.25" of
water. Her innovative features included a 12 foot diameter bow propeller
which draws water from beneath the ice ahead, both weakening the ice and
sending water along the sides of the hull and reducing ice friction. The
Mackinaw also has a heeling system which can shift nearly 112,000 gallons of
ballast water from side to side in 90 seconds, allowing a rocking motion
which assists the Mackinaw in freeing itself from ice."

http://www.mightymac.org/cgcmackinaw.htm

[Brian Whatcott]

Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
/snip/

>> Did anyone hear a noise? Sounded like an empty head rattling.
>
> To elaborate, my suggestion is that before posting you should give your
> head a shake to determine if there is anything inside and to consider
> whether you really wished to make the fact public.
>
/snip/
> Clown, I never said that a canard can't be well-cooled only in answering
> your fourth grade level question as to why "there has always been fewer
> pusher props.".
>
> duh.
>
> They are much harder to cool for one and several other reasons none of
> which you will be able to wrap your tiny, stunted clown mind around.

Jeffrey, I have largely skipped your posts til now.

But I just noticed how derogatory, abusive and nasty sounding
they are. Is this what you intended?
It's human nature to carry on an individual vendetta at times - but
you are broadcasting.

I imagine if someone whines to Google they will pull your mail.
That's just a minor inconvenience I know, but why don't you instead just
lighten up? Be abusive in private emails and we will never know.

Sincerely

Brian Whatcott.

[BDS]

It's sad that such a few unhappy individuals in their desire to impress
others with their infallible aviation knowledge have turned this ng into the
almost completely worthless cesspool that it has become with their
sophomoric sexual name calling and insults.

It's hard for me to believe that they are actually pilots considering the
personalities involved. I would certainly be ashamed to be associated with
any of them.


"brian whatcott" > wrote
>
> Jeffrey, I have largely skipped your posts til now.
> But I just noticed how derogatory, abusive and nasty sounding
> they are. Is this what you intended?
> It's human nature to carry on an individual vendetta at times - but
> you are broadcasting.
>
> I imagine if someone whines to Google they will pull your mail.
> That's just a minor inconvenience I know, but why don't you instead just
> lighten up? Be abusive in private emails and we will never know.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Brian Whatcott.

[Constable Leonovich]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:02:14 -0500, bds wrote:

> It's sad that such a few unhappy individuals in their desire to impress
> others with their infallible aviation knowledge have turned this ng into the
> almost completely worthless cesspool that it has become with their
> sophomoric sexual name calling and insults.
>
> It's hard for me to believe that they are actually pilots considering the
> personalities involved. I would certainly be ashamed to be associated with
> any of them.

I am on alert! I am alerted to your first-ever post to Usenet. I am
alerted to you. I am on alert to your sock-puppetry! I am alerted to
you!

--
http://www.tronguy.net (Yeppers, that's me!!)
http://current.com/items/88931310_tron_guy

[Brian Whatcott]

Hi folks,

Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?

Brian W

Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
....like an empty head rattling.
>> /snip/
>>> Clown, I never said ...
>>> duh.
>>>
>>> They are much harder to cool for one and several other reasons none of
>>> which you will be able to wrap your tiny, stunted clown mind around.
>> Jeffrey, I have largely skipped your posts til now.
>
> ... if you have an uncontrollable urge to make
> an assclown out ...

[Ron May]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>
> Brian W

Alric J. Knebel IP: 67.60.27.252
16201 Cervantes Court Biloxi, MS 39532
(228) 432-0131 or (228) 392-9967
http://tr.im/1f7z
30.26.30.52 N 88.52.46.90 W

His Legacy http://tinyurl.com/3523sj
Bloss Slogan - *Don't Dare **** With Me* 11/5/2009 2:27:54 PM

[vince]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:32:10 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:29:45 -0500, Ron May wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>>
>>> Brian W
>>
>> Alric J. Knebel IP: 67.60.27.252
>> 16201 Cervantes Court Biloxi, MS 39532
>> (228) 432-0131 or (228) 392-9967
>> http://tr.im/1f7z
>> 30.26.30.52 N 88.52.46.90 W
>>
>> His Legacy http://tinyurl.com/3523sj
>> Bloss Slogan - *Don't Dare **** With Me* 11/5/2009 2:27:54 PM
>
> Holy ****, May, why are you jeopardizing my job, my marriage for a few
> lousy Usenet posts?
>
> You're a fukktard, I hope you die.

all of us hope Brian has you fired, Alric aka AllDick.

vince

[Gordon Darling]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:32:10 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:29:45 -0500, Ron May wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>>
>>> Brian W
>>
>> Alric J. Knebel IP: 67.60.27.252
>> 16201 Cervantes Court Biloxi, MS 39532
>> (228) 432-0131 or (228) 392-9967
>> http://tr.im/1f7z
>> 30.26.30.52 N 88.52.46.90 W
>>
>> His Legacy http://tinyurl.com/3523sj
>> Bloss Slogan - *Don't Dare **** With Me* 11/5/2009 2:27:54 PM
>
> Holy ****, May, why are you jeopardizing my job, my marriage for a few
> lousy Usenet posts?
>
> You're a fukktard, I hope you die.

Careful with Bloss, he's no hit n run type.

Good luck, Brian, we are pulling for you!

Bloss Camp http://tr.im/hrFG
Motto: Run, rabbit, Run!

[Yrrah]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:29:45 -0500, Ron May wrote:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>
>> Brian W
>
> Alric J. Knebel IP: 67.60.27.252
> 16201 Cervantes Court Biloxi, MS 39532
> (228) 432-0131 or (228) 392-9967
> http://tr.im/1f7z
> 30.26.30.52 N 88.52.46.90 W
>
> His Legacy http://tinyurl.com/3523sj
> Bloss Slogan - *Don't Dare **** With Me* 11/5/2009 2:27:54 PM

HO HO HO finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yrrah

[Frank Camper]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:35:29 -0500, Gordon Darling wrote:

> Bloss Camp http://tr.im/hrFG
> Motto: Run, rabbit, Run!

heh

Fact.
--
Live To Spend It

[Jim Logajan]

brian whatcott > wrote:
> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?

That's probably not his real name. A search of the net indicates he has
trolled a rather diverse set of groups using that handle. He has mental
health issues and I believe should be treated no differently than anyone
with mental or physical handicaps.

I believe troll posts should be treated as one might treat a stranger
having an epileptic seizure: avoid making the problem worse by trying
overly active intervention.

It is your choice of course, but I think it is probably simplest to ignore
his posts and alert posters on an as-needed basis of his antics if any of
them appear to be unenlightened (i.e. suckered into debates with him.) I
personally don't think that there is anything useful to be gained from
tracking him down, as much as that idea may appeal to you.

[Jim Logajan]

Jeffrey Bloss > wrote:
> Holy ****, May, why are you jeopardizing my job, my marriage for a few
> lousy Usenet posts?
>
> You're a fukktard, I hope you die.

While I've had some exchange of insults with you, I do agree that you have
a right to be an anonymous prick. If you post anything libelous or such,
well, that's what the legal system is for.

(Anyone who posts mostly under the same "From" address doesn't need to be
"exposed" since the poster has made it trivial for readers to killfile
their posts.)

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:43:02 -0600, Jim Logajan wrote:

> brian whatcott > wrote:
>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>
> That's probably not his real name. A search of the net indicates he has
> trolled a rather diverse set of groups using that handle. He has mental
> health issues and I believe should be treated no differently than anyone
> with mental or physical handicaps.
>
> I believe troll posts should be treated as one might treat a stranger
> having an epileptic seizure: avoid making the problem worse by trying
> overly active intervention.
>
> It is your choice of course, but I think it is probably simplest to ignore
> his posts and alert posters on an as-needed basis of his antics if any of
> them appear to be unenlightened (i.e. suckered into debates with him.) I
> personally don't think that there is anything useful to be gained from
> tracking him down, as much as that idea may appeal to you.

Jim wasn't it you who thought that the flyover endangering 200 pax was a
"mishap not worthy of consequence?"

That incident included several career ending actions even before you get
into WHAT they were doing to cause the actions in question and the FAA
was perfectly justified in lifting the two certificates. In this
business there exists an environment concerning safety that allows no
"first time offenses" in the area these two pilots were operating. You
commit offenses in the category involved here and you are justifiably
history.

Before you shoot your mouth off as to who and what a troll is and how to
"ignore" them let me remind you of your endless battles with Bertie
Bunyip, Max and others whicxh effectively destroyed RAP.
Dudley Henriques

[Jim Logajan]

Jeffrey Bloss > wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:43:02 -0600, Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>> brian whatcott > wrote:
>>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>
>> That's probably not his real name. A search of the net indicates he
>> has trolled a rather diverse set of groups using that handle. He has
>> mental health issues and I believe should be treated no differently
>> than anyone with mental or physical handicaps.
>
> IOW, you want to **** me just like you did the retarded 6th grade
> grrl. Didn't think I knew about that, eh, Jimmie?

All potentially sharp or dangerous objects have been removed from the
vicinity. I can call an ambulance if the trolling seizure lasts longer than
five minutes.

[Nicetameetya]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:57:55 -0600, Jim Logajan wrote:

> Jeffrey Bloss > wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:43:02 -0600, Jim Logajan wrote:
>>
>>> brian whatcott > wrote:
>>>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>>
>>> That's probably not his real name. A search of the net indicates he
>>> has trolled a rather diverse set of groups using that handle. He has
>>> mental health issues and I believe should be treated no differently
>>> than anyone with mental or physical handicaps.
>>
>> IOW, you want to **** me just like you did the retarded 6th grade
>> grrl. Didn't think I knew about that, eh, Jimmie?
>
> All potentially sharp or dangerous objects have been removed from the
> vicinity. I can call an ambulance if the trolling seizure lasts longer than
> five minutes.

Please keep this crap out of ACF!

[elaich]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>
> Brian W

Tel (239) 732-8660
Toll Free 1-888-732-8660
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[Mark Marsh]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?

mommy, daddy, can i live with you the rest of my life?
Waaaaaaaaaa!!!! i don wanna work either.
(847) 253-2549



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[Kyle Hufford]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:56:29 -0500, Dudley Henriques wrote:

> Before you shoot your mouth off as to who and what a troll is and how to
> "ignore" them let me remind you of your endless battles with Bertie
> Bunyip, Max and others whicxh effectively destroyed RAP.
> Dudley Henriques

That was painful!
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clients come to me with questions and leave with blowjobs.
I specialize in Super Jumbo Suckdowns
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[Klaatu]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:29:45 -0500, Ron May wrote:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>
>> Brian W

And if you send an error when that happens, you know the padding
failed. Now if you keep trying different random blocks, what's
eventually going to happen?

You'll get a message with valid padding. Valid padding might be 0x3 0x3
0x3. Or it might be 0x4 0x4 0x4 0x4. But if you're basically generating
random blocks, what's the mostly likely padding you're going to get
that will pass the check?

HTH

[Max Wachtel]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:45:44 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:33:28 -0500, Klaatu wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:29:45 -0500, Ron May wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>>>
>>>> Brian W
>>
>> And if you send an error when that happens, you know the padding
>> failed. Now if you keep trying different random blocks, what's
>> eventually going to happen?
>>
>> You'll get a message with valid padding. Valid padding might be 0x3 0x3
>> 0x3. Or it might be 0x4 0x4 0x4 0x4. But if you're basically generating
>> random blocks, what's the mostly likely padding you're going to get
>> that will pass the check?
>>
>> HTH
>
> 0x1.
>
> And you're randomizing the output by tacking a random block in front of
> real ciphertext, which gets XOR'd during decryption. So you know the
> last byte of your random block...
>
> And the 0x1 that you know the padding is, and so that random byte XOR
> the last byte of the plaintext is 0x1, and so you know the last byte of
> the plaintext.
>
> (Pausing)
>
> And now that you know the last byte of the plaintext, you can make the
> padding come out to 0x2 and try randomizing the other 15 bytes to find
> out the next byte, and so on?

Blow me, hummingbird and all your socks!
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nomail.afraid.org is specifically set up for use in USENET.
Feel free to use it yourself.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 5, 2:56*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:43:02 -0600, Jim Logajan wrote:
> > brian whatcott > wrote:
> >> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>
> > That's probably not his real name. A search of the net indicates he has
> > trolled a rather diverse set of groups using that handle. He has mental
> > health issues and I believe should be treated no differently than anyone
> > with mental or physical handicaps.
>
> > I believe troll posts should be treated as one might treat a stranger
> > having an epileptic seizure: avoid making the problem worse by trying
> > overly active intervention.
>
> > It is your choice of course, but I think it is probably simplest to ignore
> > his posts and alert posters on an as-needed basis of his antics if any of
> > them appear to be unenlightened (i.e. suckered into debates with him.) I
> > personally don't think that there is anything useful to be gained from
> > tracking him down, as much as that idea may appeal to you.
>
> Jim wasn't it you who thought that the flyover endangering 200 pax was a
> "mishap not worthy of consequence?"
>
> That incident included several career ending actions even before you get
> into WHAT they were doing to cause the actions in question and the FAA
> was perfectly justified in lifting the two certificates. In this
> business there exists an environment concerning safety that allows no
> "first time offenses" in the area these two pilots were operating. You
> commit *offenses in the category involved here and you are justifiably
> history.
>
> Before you shoot your mouth off as to who and what a troll is and how to
> "ignore" them let me remind you of your endless battles with Bertie
> Bunyip, Max and others whicxh effectively destroyed RAP.
> Dudley Henriques

FWIW to everyone, the above post is NOT from me. I surely didn't post
this idiotic nonsense against Jim Logajan.

Don't know how you check out these things or if anyone is even
interested in checking it out but my email address is
. If you email me and check the path to my computer
I'm fairly certain you can establish who the real Dudley Henriques is.
Anyway, I'm really not interested in these Usenet hi jinks sofor the
future, if a post bearing my name doesn't come from THIS
computer,which is a Mac, and the post is hostile and directed to
someone you all know from experience I have no issues with, please
just assume that post isn't from me.
I don't know who the poster is but I only have experience with a
single individual on Usenet whom I would suspect and that would be the
poster known as Maxwell.

Dudley Henriques

[Ron May]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:02:58 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques wrote:


> Anyway, I'm really not interested in these Usenet hi jinks but...I
> would suspect and that would be the poster known as Maxwell.
>
> Dudley Henriques

STFU or make up your mind. Either you care or yu don't, DooRight.

Everyone, this asshole coward spineless worthless forger trolls have
already been kicked off several legitimate servers and only rogue
servers including Usenet4All, the ACSWFTs' only refuge.....I think
<VVBG>.
--
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don't. Anything posted through x-privat.org or anonymous mail2news
servers like dizum.com, reece.net and others in my name is a FORGERY,
In ACF, I post only through sunsite/dotsrc. In other groups, only via
eternal-september.

[Ross]

Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:29:45 -0500, Ron May wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>>
>>> Brian W
>> Alric J. Knebel IP: 67.60.27.252
>> 16201 Cervantes Court Biloxi, MS 39532
>> (228) 432-0131 or (228) 392-9967
>> http://tr.im/1f7z
>> 30.26.30.52 N 88.52.46.90 W
>>
>> His Legacy http://tinyurl.com/3523sj
>> Bloss Slogan - *Don't Dare **** With Me* 11/5/2009 2:27:54 PM
>
> Holy ****, May, why are you jeopardizing my job, my marriage for a few
> lousy Usenet posts?
>
> You're a fukktard, I hope you die.

Never email something that you would not mind to be printed on the front
page of a national newspaper. Then you have nothing to worry about.

Ron, I am not that computer savvy, but how the heck can you get all that
information?

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
Sold :(
KSWI

[Siavash Sabbaghpour]

Mark Marsh wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>
> mommy, daddy, can i live with you the rest of my life?
> Waaaaaaaaaa!!!! i don wanna work either.
> (847) 253-2549

I would be surprised if he or anyone can get a job over there with the
amount of immigrants flooding in to the UK now not to mention the recession.

[Franklin[_16_]]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:02:58 GMT, Dudley Henriques wrote:

> On Nov 5, 2:56*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:43:02 -0600, Jim Logajan wrote:
>> > brian whatcott > wrote:
>> >> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>
>> > That's probably not his real name. A search of the net indicates he
>> > has trolled a rather diverse set of groups using that handle. He
>> > has mental health issues and I believe should be treated no
>> > differently than anyone with mental or physical handicaps.
>>
>> > I believe troll posts should be treated as one might treat a
>> > stranger having an epileptic seizure: avoid making the problem
>> > worse by trying overly active intervention.
>>
>> > It is your choice of course, but I think it is probably simplest to
>> > ignore his posts and alert posters on an as-needed basis of his
>> > antics if any of them appear to be unenlightened (i.e. suckered
>> > into debates with him.) I personally don't think that there is
>> > anything useful to be gained from tracking him down, as much as
>> > that idea may appeal to you.
>>
>> Jim wasn't it you who thought that the flyover endangering 200 pax
>> was a "mishap not worthy of consequence?"
>>
>> That incident included several career ending actions even before you
>> get into WHAT they were doing to cause the actions in question and
>> the FAA was perfectly justified in lifting the two certificates. In
>> this business there exists an environment concerning safety that
>> allows no "first time offenses" in the area these two pilots were
>> operating. You commit *offenses in the category involved here and you
>> are justifiably history.
>>
>> Before you shoot your mouth off as to who and what a troll is and
>> how to "ignore" them let me remind you of your endless battles with
>> Bertie Bunyip, Max and others whicxh effectively destroyed RAP.
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> FWIW to everyone, the above post is NOT from me. I surely didn't post
> this idiotic nonsense against Jim Logajan.
>
> Don't know how you check out these things or if anyone is even
> interested in checking it out but my email address is
> . If you email me and check the path to my computer
> I'm fairly certain you can establish who the real Dudley Henriques is.
> Anyway, I'm really not interested in these Usenet hi jinks sofor the
> future, if a post bearing my name doesn't come from THIS
> computer,which is a Mac, and the post is hostile and directed to
> someone you all know from experience I have no issues with, please
> just assume that post isn't from me. I don't know who the poster is
> but I only have experience with a single individual on Usenet whom I
> would suspect and that would be the poster known as Maxwell.
>
> Dudley Henriques

"Maxwell" uses a lot of other names. In alt.comp.freeware he currently
posts as "Jeffrey Bloss".

I recently explained some of his work and copied that to the music
groups where this sock is also active. However I left out the aviation
and security groups. If you're interested then this is what I wrote:

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/6b9f81c7285f1539>

He's some disenchanted retired guy who still retains hopes of being a
pilot, pc security expert, member of special operations, and those sorts
of thing. I guess the Net is always going to be stuck with people who
live out their dreams online.

He's an accomplished sock and can maintain several different identities
at the same time. You can see this in the current thread "VST
Independence" in a.c.f.

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_thread/thread/1
c15e77679fdb15b/f71e0b7c2d576cee>

Some of his socks are placid but he's mostly noisy although I suspect
may be just a way of hiding limitations by bluster. As an example, his
boisterously proclaimed test of a pilot is surprisingly basic.

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/4f17a7ff25fdf2
dc>

I expect his various socks will soon start posting in order to muddle
any discussion about him. But, hey, who cares. It's only the internet.
It's not real life.

[John Stubbins[_2_]]

Mass sockpuppeteer and FORGER: 'Franklin Frell' wrote thus:

>"Maxwell" uses a lot of other names. In alt.comp.freeware he currently
>posts as "Jeffrey Bloss".
>
>I recently explained some of his work and copied that to the music
>groups where this sock is also active. However I left out the aviation
>and security groups. If you're interested then this is what I wrote:

[snip]

Franklin, such projection!
How you can write that with a straight face is astonishing.

Nobody gives a rat's as what you have to say.

Why is that, you ask?

It's because you are a shameless psychopath and ACF's longest and most
prolific user of socks and forgeries in its troubled history, and especially
since ACF was invaded by the Pricelessware Cult crowd ~2004 who abuse
the group for discussing private website business affairs. You are one
of Pricelessware's troublemakers who denigrate and attack anybody who
speaks out against their abuse. You are also involved in the unlawful
SALE of Pricelessware CDs containing FREE software. What a racket!
People can read all about it here:

http://qdeo.com/td5 (link to text document)

.... ... ... ...

Evidence: here's a list of your KNOWN socks/forgeries over the past
6-9 months alone. There are certainly very many more that have not
become known which would probably DOUBLE the number listed below.

Complete Franklin exposé here:

http://qdeo.com/tf7 (link to text document)

I know of NO other person who abuses Usenet behavioural standards
and protocols more than you. You are a sick freak:
__________________________________________________ _____
-Oct/2009-:
>Franklin >
>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>hummingbird > (A.C.F)
>chris hummingbird > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
(abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>hummingbird > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
(abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)

-Sep/2009-:
>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>Franklin >
>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>Franklin > (A.C.F)

-Jul/2009-:
>Chrissy Cruiser > (A.C.F + R.T.C)
>Bird Buttocks > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>Bare Busoms >
- via anonymous remailer
>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
>Franklin > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"Your Friendly Neighborhood Troll" >
- via anonymous remailer
>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
(abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>Franklin >
>Frankli n >

-Jun/2009-:
>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
(abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>Franklin >
>"aracari - archive" > (UK.P.M.) *forgery*
>Franklin <%65%6d%61%69%6c%2e>
>Bottoms Bird > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>Bottom Birds > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>Franklin <%65%6d%61%69%6c%2e%66%72%61%6e%6b%6c%69%6e%40%79%6 1%68%6f%6f%2e%63%6f%6d%2e%73%67>
>hummingbird > (UK.L + UK.P.M)
(abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>"Franklín" >
>Franklin >

-May/2009-:
>Franklin >
>Franklin >
>"Franklin (Hummingbird posting)" >
>Franklin >
>"Franklin - reference 9" >

-Apr/2009-:
>"Hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.L + UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"hummingbird (Franklin)" >
(UK.L + UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"franklin - reference 8" >
>agent Franklin >
>"hummingbird +" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"Franklin ~ reference" >

-Mar/2009-:
>Franklin >
>Franklin >
>"hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>Franklin > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>hummingbird > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>default >
>hummingbird > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)

-Jan/2009-:
>"Franklin (great posts)" >
>hummingbird F > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)

-Dec/2008-:
>hummingbird F > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>(¯`·.¸Chris Millbank¸.·´¯) > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>"Franklin - reference 7" >
>"Franklin (ACF) Hummingbird (UPM)" >
>"off-topic bombaster (BB)" > (A.C.F.)
>hummingbird > (N.S.R.)
>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>Bear Bottoms > (A.F.N.)
>Chris Millbank >
>Hummingbird > (A.F.N. + N.S.R.)
>Bear Bottoms > (A.F.N.)
>"Chris Millbank (Hummingbird)" > (N.S.R. + A.F.N.)
>"Franklin - refrerence 8" >
>"Franklin - reference 5" >
>"Franklin - reference 6" >
>"Franklin - reference 2" >
>"Franklin - reference 1" >
>"Franklin - reference 4" >
>"Franklin - reference 3" >
>hummingbird announcment >
>Franklin >
>hummingbird > (100% forgery used on UK.P.M.)
__________________________________________________ _____

--
Franklin revealed:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3020/2964549672_39b76c8118_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/2710211614_d220d489c5_o.jpg

[Ron May]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:23:34 -0600, Ross wrote:

> Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:29:45 -0500, Ron May wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>>>
>>>> Brian W
>>> Alric J. Knebel IP: 67.60.27.252
>>> 16201 Cervantes Court Biloxi, MS 39532
>>> (228) 432-0131 or (228) 392-9967
>>> http://tr.im/1f7z
>>> 30.26.30.52 N 88.52.46.90 W
>>>
>>> His Legacy http://tinyurl.com/3523sj
>>> Bloss Slogan - *Don't Dare **** With Me* 11/5/2009 2:27:54 PM
>>
>> Holy ****, May, why are you jeopardizing my job, my marriage for a few
>> lousy Usenet posts?
>>
>> You're a fukktard, I hope you die.
>
> Never email something that you would not mind to be printed on the front
> page of a national newspaper. Then you have nothing to worry about.
>
> Ron, I am not that computer savvy, but how the heck can you get all that
> information?

We have been after this Bloss clown for a year and finally caught him
with multiple cross pings and a retrace via Tor exit nodes.

He also posts as "Franklin" and claims he is a pilot. <no g>

Beware, he's a phool's tool.
--
Ron M. Anonymous posters have reasons to hide their identities. I
don't. Anything posted through x-privat.org or anonymous mail2news
servers like dizum.com, reece.net and others in my name is a FORGERY,
In ACF, I post only through sunsite/dotsrc. In other groups, only via
eternal-september.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:53:18 -0500, John Stubbins wrote:

> Mass sockpuppeteer and FORGER: 'Franklin Frell' wrote thus:
>
>>"Maxwell" uses a lot of other names. In alt.comp.freeware he currently
>>posts as "Jeffrey Bloss".
>>
>>I recently explained some of his work and copied that to the music
>>groups where this sock is also active. However I left out the aviation
>>and security groups. If you're interested then this is what I wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Franklin, such projection!
> How you can write that with a straight face is astonishing.
>
> Nobody gives a rat's as what you have to say.
>
> Why is that, you ask?
>
> It's because you are a shameless psychopath and ACF's longest and most
> prolific user of socks and forgeries in its troubled history, and especially
> since ACF was invaded by the Pricelessware Cult crowd ~2004 who abuse
> the group for discussing private website business affairs. You are one
> of Pricelessware's troublemakers who denigrate and attack anybody who
> speaks out against their abuse. You are also involved in the unlawful
> SALE of Pricelessware CDs containing FREE software. What a racket!
> People can read all about it here:
>
> http://qdeo.com/td5 (link to text document)
>
> ... ... ... ...
>
> Evidence: here's a list of your KNOWN socks/forgeries over the past
> 6-9 months alone. There are certainly very many more that have not
> become known which would probably DOUBLE the number listed below.
>
> Complete Franklin exposé here:
>
> http://qdeo.com/tf7 (link to text document)
>
> I know of NO other person who abuses Usenet behavioural standards
> and protocols more than you. You are a sick freak:
> __________________________________________________ _____
> -Oct/2009-:
>>Franklin >
>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>>hummingbird > (A.C.F)
>>chris hummingbird > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>hummingbird > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>
> -Sep/2009-:
>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>>Franklin >
>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>
> -Jul/2009-:
>>Chrissy Cruiser > (A.C.F + R.T.C)
>>Bird Buttocks > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>>Bare Busoms >
> - via anonymous remailer
>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
>>Franklin > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>"Your Friendly Neighborhood Troll" >
> - via anonymous remailer
>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>Franklin >
>>Frankli n >
>
> -Jun/2009-:
>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>Franklin >
>>"aracari - archive" > (UK.P.M.) *forgery*
>>Franklin <%65%6d%61%69%6c%2e>
>>Bottoms Bird > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>>Bottom Birds > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>>Franklin <%65%6d%61%69%6c%2e%66%72%61%6e%6b%6c%69%6e%40%79%6 1%68%6f%6f%2e%63%6f%6d%2e%73%67>
>>hummingbird > (UK.L + UK.P.M)
> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>"Franklín" >
>>Franklin >
>
> -May/2009-:
>>Franklin >
>>Franklin >
>>"Franklin (Hummingbird posting)" >
>>Franklin >
>>"Franklin - reference 9" >
>
> -Apr/2009-:
>>"Hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.L + UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>"hummingbird (Franklin)" >
> (UK.L + UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>"franklin - reference 8" >
>>agent Franklin >
>>"hummingbird +" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>"Franklin ~ reference" >
>
> -Mar/2009-:
>>Franklin >
>>Franklin >
>>"hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>Franklin > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>"hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>default >
>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>
> -Jan/2009-:
>>"Franklin (great posts)" >
>>hummingbird F > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>
> -Dec/2008-:
>>hummingbird F > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>>(¯`·.¸Chris Millbank¸.·´¯) > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>"Franklin - reference 7" >
>>"Franklin (ACF) Hummingbird (UPM)" >
>>"off-topic bombaster (BB)" > (A.C.F.)
>>hummingbird > (N.S.R.)
>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>>Bear Bottoms > (A.F.N.)
>>Chris Millbank >
>>Hummingbird > (A.F.N. + N.S.R.)
>>Bear Bottoms > (A.F.N.)
>>"Chris Millbank (Hummingbird)" > (N.S.R. + A.F.N.)
>>"Franklin - refrerence 8" >
>>"Franklin - reference 5" >
>>"Franklin - reference 6" >
>>"Franklin - reference 2" >
>>"Franklin - reference 1" >
>>"Franklin - reference 4" >
>>"Franklin - reference 3" >
>>hummingbird announcment >
>>Franklin >
>>hummingbird > (100% forgery used on UK.P.M.)
> __________________________________________________ _____

I got it. Boy this really ****es me off. I remember back in WWII I was
flying into a 200k headwind in my Pee-39 with guns a blazing I was
shooting niggars, Japs and Spics, killing them dead as fast as I could.
Got me a Congressional Medal of Honor form Ike who said:

The Teabagging (n)

The all time classic maneuver of tapping your cock on a chick's
forehead while she is sucking on your balls, and uttering the
timeless phrase- "Who's Your daddy?"

Those were the days.
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:35:44 +0000, Siavash Sabbaghpour wrote:

> Mark Marsh wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:22:17 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Anybody have Bloss's address and job details?
>>
>> mommy, daddy, can i live with you the rest of my life?
>> Waaaaaaaaaa!!!! i don wanna work either.
>> (847) 253-2549
>
> I would be surprised if he or anyone can get a job over there with the
> amount of immigrants flooding in to the UK now not to mention the recession.
That reminds me of the time I was flying my Pee39 guns ablazin' I was
killing Nigras ten to a load when I looked down and saw I was near
Birmingham (Alabama boy not England****lands).

I says to myself - Here's something odd... the day after I read this I
was proofreading the next issue of my wife's magazine BOOKHAPPY (plug)
and one of the articles reviews a number of books about "The Wickedest
City." One of which is "Phenix City Alabama, the Wickedest City in
America," at least up until the mid 1950s when a gubernatorial
candidate was gunned down on the main drag, martial law was declared,
the entire police force was arrested and all the whorehouses and
gambling joints were shut down. COINCIDENCE???

It's the water, I tell you. That, and the unbearable psychic pressure
that comes from actually living in Alabama. Huey can bitch about
Arkansas all he wants, but at least he's not having to deal with people
who think Lynyrd Skynyrd wrote the National Anthem. A place where the
police drove the Mafia out because they were COMPETITION--now THAT is a
sniffy place.
Dudley Henriques

[John Stubbins[_2_]]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:53:18 -0500, John Stubbins wrote:
>
>> Mass sockpuppeteer and FORGER: 'Franklin Frell' wrote thus:
>>
>>>"Maxwell" uses a lot of other names. In alt.comp.freeware he currently
>>>posts as "Jeffrey Bloss".
>>>
>>>I recently explained some of his work and copied that to the music
>>>groups where this sock is also active. However I left out the aviation
>>>and security groups. If you're interested then this is what I wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> Franklin, such projection!
>> How you can write that with a straight face is astonishing.
>>
>> Nobody gives a rat's as what you have to say.
>>
>> Why is that, you ask?
>>
>> It's because you are a shameless psychopath and ACF's longest and most
>> prolific user of socks and forgeries in its troubled history, and especially
>> since ACF was invaded by the Pricelessware Cult crowd ~2004 who abuse
>> the group for discussing private website business affairs. You are one
>> of Pricelessware's troublemakers who denigrate and attack anybody who
>> speaks out against their abuse. You are also involved in the unlawful
>> SALE of Pricelessware CDs containing FREE software. What a racket!
>> People can read all about it here:
>>
>> http://qdeo.com/td5 (link to text document)
>>
>> ... ... ... ...
>>
>> Evidence: here's a list of your KNOWN socks/forgeries over the past
>> 6-9 months alone. There are certainly very many more that have not
>> become known which would probably DOUBLE the number listed below.
>>
>> Complete Franklin exposé here:
>>
>> http://qdeo.com/tf7 (link to text document)
>>
>> I know of NO other person who abuses Usenet behavioural standards
>> and protocols more than you. You are a sick freak:
>> __________________________________________________ _____
>> -Oct/2009-:
>>>Franklin >
>>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>>>hummingbird > (A.C.F)
>>>chris hummingbird > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
>> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>>hummingbird > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
>> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>>
>> -Sep/2009-:
>>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>>>Franklin >
>>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>
>> -Jul/2009-:
>>>Chrissy Cruiser > (A.C.F + R.T.C)
>>>Bird Buttocks > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>>>Bare Busoms >
>> - via anonymous remailer
>>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
>>>Franklin > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>"Your Friendly Neighborhood Troll" >
>> - via anonymous remailer
>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>>Franklin >
>>>Frankli n >
>>
>> -Jun/2009-:
>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>>Franklin >
>>>"aracari - archive" > (UK.P.M.) *forgery*
>>>Franklin <%65%6d%61%69%6c%2e>
>>>Bottoms Bird > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>>>Bottom Birds > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>>>Franklin <%65%6d%61%69%6c%2e%66%72%61%6e%6b%6c%69%6e%40%79%6 1%68%6f%6f%2e%63%6f%6d%2e%73%67>
>>>hummingbird > (UK.L + UK.P.M)
>> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>>"Franklín" >
>>>Franklin >
>>
>> -May/2009-:
>>>Franklin >
>>>Franklin >
>>>"Franklin (Hummingbird posting)" >
>>>Franklin >
>>>"Franklin - reference 9" >
>>
>> -Apr/2009-:
>>>"Hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.L + UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>"hummingbird (Franklin)" >
>> (UK.L + UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>"franklin - reference 8" >
>>>agent Franklin >
>>>"hummingbird +" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>"Franklin ~ reference" >
>>
>> -Mar/2009-:
>>>Franklin >
>>>Franklin >
>>>"hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>Franklin > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>"hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>default >
>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>
>> -Jan/2009-:
>>>"Franklin (great posts)" >
>>>hummingbird F > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>
>> -Dec/2008-:
>>>hummingbird F > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>>>(¯`·.¸Chris Millbank¸.·´¯) > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>"Franklin - reference 7" >
>>>"Franklin (ACF) Hummingbird (UPM)" >
>>>"off-topic bombaster (BB)" > (A.C.F.)
>>>hummingbird > (N.S.R.)
>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>>>Bear Bottoms > (A.F.N.)
>>>Chris Millbank >
>>>Hummingbird > (A.F.N. + N.S.R.)
>>>Bear Bottoms > (A.F.N.)
>>>"Chris Millbank (Hummingbird)" > (N.S.R. + A.F.N.)
>>>"Franklin - refrerence 8" >
>>>"Franklin - reference 5" >
>>>"Franklin - reference 6" >
>>>"Franklin - reference 2" >
>>>"Franklin - reference 1" >
>>>"Franklin - reference 4" >
>>>"Franklin - reference 3" >
>>>hummingbird announcment >
>>>Franklin >
>>>hummingbird > (100% forgery used on UK.P.M.)
>> __________________________________________________ _____
>
>I got it. Boy this really ****es me off. I remember back in WWII I was
>flying into a 200k headwind in my Pee-39 with guns a blazing I was
>shooting niggars, Japs and Spics, killing them dead as fast as I could.
>Got me a Congressional Medal of Honor form Ike who said:
>
>The Teabagging (n)
>
>The all time classic maneuver of tapping your cock on a chick's
>forehead while she is sucking on your balls, and uttering the
>timeless phrase- "Who's Your daddy?"
>
>Those were the days.
>Dudley Henriques

Franklin gave me a teabagging once but his eyes popped out and his false teeth
kept coming loose while he stroked my new boobs: http://is.gd/4OUdr with his
3-fingered clubhand. Apart from that his tongue resembles grade 9 sandpaper
and he makes a howling noise like a hyena while he slurps like a drain.

--
-Franklin John Stubbins- \/"sockpuppets and forgers extraordinaire"\/.
Appointed supplier of socks/forgeries to the Pricelessware Cult since 2005.
Approved by the Pricelessware Dear Leader: Ron May.

"of all the things we've lost in our lives, we miss our minds the most"

[Sidney Lambe]

John Stubbins wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:53:18 -0500, John Stubbins wrote:
>>
>>> Mass sockpuppeteer and FORGER: 'Franklin Frell' wrote thus:
>>>
>>>> "Maxwell" uses a lot of other names. In alt.comp.freeware he currently
>>>> posts as "Jeffrey Bloss".
>>>>
>>>> I recently explained some of his work and copied that to the music
>>>> groups where this sock is also active. However I left out the aviation
>>>> and security groups. If you're interested then this is what I wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Franklin, such projection!
>>> How you can write that with a straight face is astonishing.
>>>
>>> Nobody gives a rat's as what you have to say.

>>> __________________________________________________ _____
>> I got it. Boy this really ****es me off. I remember back in WWII I was
>> flying into a 200k headwind in my Pee-39 with guns a blazing I was
>> shooting niggars, Japs and Spics, killing them dead as fast as I could.
>> Got me a Congressional Medal of Honor form Ike who said:
>>
>> The Teabagging (n)
>>
>> The all time classic maneuver of tapping your cock on a chick's
>> forehead while she is sucking on your balls, and uttering the
>> timeless phrase- "Who's Your daddy?"
>>
>> Those were the days.
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> Franklin gave me a teabagging once but his eyes popped out and his teeth
> kept coming loose while he stroked my boobs: http://is.gd/4OUdr with his
> 3-fingered clubhand. Apart from that his tongue resembles grade 9 sandpaper
> and he makes a howling noise like a hyena while he slurps like a drain.

Stroke your boobs? Sucking Franklin's balls in a teabagging? Your link
goes to: http://aracari.redirectme.net:8080/Images/stubbings.jpg

You homo Hummingb¡rd are a gay pimp. Thank God not all queers are as
sick like you.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:19:29 -0500, John Stubbins wrote:

> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:53:18 -0500, John Stubbins wrote:
>>
>>> Mass sockpuppeteer and FORGER: 'Franklin Frell' wrote thus:
>>>
>>>>"Maxwell" uses a lot of other names. In alt.comp.freeware he currently
>>>>posts as "Jeffrey Bloss".
>>>>
>>>>I recently explained some of his work and copied that to the music
>>>>groups where this sock is also active. However I left out the aviation
>>>>and security groups. If you're interested then this is what I wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Franklin, such projection!
>>> How you can write that with a straight face is astonishing.
>>>
>>> Nobody gives a rat's as what you have to say.
>>>
>>> Why is that, you ask?
>>>
>>> It's because you are a shameless psychopath and ACF's longest and most
>>> prolific user of socks and forgeries in its troubled history, and especially
>>> since ACF was invaded by the Pricelessware Cult crowd ~2004 who abuse
>>> the group for discussing private website business affairs. You are one
>>> of Pricelessware's troublemakers who denigrate and attack anybody who
>>> speaks out against their abuse. You are also involved in the unlawful
>>> SALE of Pricelessware CDs containing FREE software. What a racket!
>>> People can read all about it here:
>>>
>>> http://qdeo.com/td5 (link to text document)
>>>
>>> ... ... ... ...
>>>
>>> Evidence: here's a list of your KNOWN socks/forgeries over the past
>>> 6-9 months alone. There are certainly very many more that have not
>>> become known which would probably DOUBLE the number listed below.
>>>
>>> Complete Franklin exposé here:
>>>
>>> http://qdeo.com/tf7 (link to text document)
>>>
>>> I know of NO other person who abuses Usenet behavioural standards
>>> and protocols more than you. You are a sick freak:
>>> __________________________________________________ _____
>>> -Oct/2009-:
>>>>Franklin >
>>>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>>>>hummingbird > (A.C.F)
>>>>chris hummingbird > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
>>> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>>>hummingbird > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
>>> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>>>
>>> -Sep/2009-:
>>>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F)
>>>>Franklin >
>>>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>>>Franklin > (A.C.F)
>>>
>>> -Jul/2009-:
>>>>Chrissy Cruiser > (A.C.F + R.T.C)
>>>>Bird Buttocks > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>>>>Bare Busoms >
>>> - via anonymous remailer
>>>>Jeff Lin Ton > (A.C.F + UK.P.M)
>>>>Franklin > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>>"Your Friendly Neighborhood Troll" >
>>> - via anonymous remailer
>>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>>> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>>>Franklin >
>>>>Frankli n >
>>>
>>> -Jun/2009-:
>>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>>> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>>>Franklin >
>>>>"aracari - archive" > (UK.P.M.) *forgery*
>>>>Franklin <%65%6d%61%69%6c%2e>
>>>>Bottoms Bird > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>>>>Bottom Birds > (A.C.P.) - via anonymous remailer
>>>>Franklin <%65%6d%61%69%6c%2e%66%72%61%6e%6b%6c%69%6e%40%79%6 1%68%6f%6f%2e%63%6f%6d%2e%73%67>
>>>>hummingbird > (UK.L + UK.P.M)
>>> (abuse of a UK ISP top-level domain)
>>>>"Franklín" >
>>>>Franklin >
>>>
>>> -May/2009-:
>>>>Franklin >
>>>>Franklin >
>>>>"Franklin (Hummingbird posting)" >
>>>>Franklin >
>>>>"Franklin - reference 9" >
>>>
>>> -Apr/2009-:
>>>>"Hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.L + UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>>"hummingbird (Franklin)" >
>>> (UK.L + UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>>"franklin - reference 8" >
>>>>agent Franklin >
>>>>"hummingbird +" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>>"Franklin ~ reference" >
>>>
>>> -Mar/2009-:
>>>>Franklin >
>>>>Franklin >
>>>>"hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>>Franklin > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>>"hummingbird (Franklin)" > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>>default >
>>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>
>>> -Jan/2009-:
>>>>"Franklin (great posts)" >
>>>>hummingbird F > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>
>>> -Dec/2008-:
>>>>hummingbird F > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>>>>(¯`·.¸Chris Millbank¸.·´¯) > (UK.P.M + A.C.F)
>>>>"Franklin - reference 7" >
>>>>"Franklin (ACF) Hummingbird (UPM)" >
>>>>"off-topic bombaster (BB)" > (A.C.F.)
>>>>hummingbird > (N.S.R.)
>>>>hummingbird > (UK.P.M)
>>>>Bear Bottoms > (A.F.N.)
>>>>Chris Millbank >
>>>>Hummingbird > (A.F.N. + N.S.R.)
>>>>Bear Bottoms > (A.F.N.)
>>>>"Chris Millbank (Hummingbird)" > (N.S.R. + A.F.N.)
>>>>"Franklin - refrerence 8" >
>>>>"Franklin - reference 5" >
>>>>"Franklin - reference 6" >
>>>>"Franklin - reference 2" >
>>>>"Franklin - reference 1" >
>>>>"Franklin - reference 4" >
>>>>"Franklin - reference 3" >
>>>>hummingbird announcment >
>>>>Franklin >
>>>>hummingbird > (100% forgery used on UK.P.M.)
>>> __________________________________________________ _____
>>
>>I got it. Boy this really ****es me off. I remember back in WWII I was
>>flying into a 200k headwind in my Pee-39 with guns a blazing I was
>>shooting niggars, Japs and Spics, killing them dead as fast as I could.
>>Got me a Congressional Medal of Honor form Ike who said:
>>
>>The Teabagging (n)
>>
>>The all time classic maneuver of tapping your cock on a chick's
>>forehead while she is sucking on your balls, and uttering the
>>timeless phrase- "Who's Your daddy?"
>>
>>Those were the days.
>>Dudley Henriques
>
> Franklin gave me a teabagging once but his eyes popped out and his false teeth
> kept coming loose while he stroked my new boobs: http://is.gd/4OUdr with his
> 3-fingered clubhand. Apart from that his tongue resembles grade 9 sandpaper
> and he makes a howling noise like a hyena while he slurps like a drain.
Well I could tell you stories about me flying my Pee39 guns ablazin
killing gooks, Ricans and Frogs at every turn but I drool so I can't.
This Franklin now there's somebody I would like to take my pearl handled
Colt 45s to, I betcha I could light up his ass that peckerhead. I'd put
him on my ailerons and perform 90 banks all the livelong day that
mother****er and I mean he ****s his mother literally would be dizzier
than a Jew on a carousel on Easter.
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:01:54 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

> D00dles, put that crack pipe down. Seriously, right now, put that
> sonafabitch down, you're flying *high* alright.
>
> For the Love Of God, D00dles, get professional help and I don't mean a
> CFI.
>
> Your posts are the electronic ejaculations of a eunuch.
> But I do have some advice for you.
>
> Over the years, letters to Dear Abby and Ann Landers have convinced us
> that at least some domestic goddesses prefer performing their duties in
> the nude. For those inclined to this state of undress, Ann recommends
> wearing an apron while frying bacon.
>
> It will keep you from fire-greasing your Pee(pee). lol
I'm in the flight safety business. My opinion on this matter reflects
ONLY that aspect of the incident and is not intended to reflect the
legal end of the equation. I drool so get my bucket ready.
For me, the answer is obvious. Had I been asked for input on what
transpired that input would directly address the fact that by
definition, this aircraft while in operation requires a pilot in
command at all times. In the flight safety context, this equates to no
action taking place concerning the operation of the aircraft that is
accomplished without the complete knowledge and consent of that pilot
in command. In other words, this aircraft was, at various times during
the progress of it's flight, NOT in control of the required decision
making process of BOTH the pilots in question AND the ATC on the
ground responsible for traffic separation. So **** 'em, the FAA burned
them without stakes adios cocksuckers.
For me, as a safety adviser, there is absolutely no argument with the
FAA action based on the safety issue. As I said, the legal issues are
another matter yet to be decided.I'll comment on that after I dump my
droolbucket.
Dudley Henriques

[Frank Camper]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:27:39 -0500, Jeffrey F. Bloss wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
>
> Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
>
>>> Alric J. Knebel IP: 67.60.27.252
>>> 16201 Cervantes Court Biloxi, MS 39532
>>> (228) 432-0131 or (228) 392-9967
>>> http://tr.im/1f7z
>>> 30.26.30.52 N 88.52.46.90 W
>>>
>>> His Legacy http://tinyurl.com/3523sj
>>> Bloss Slogan - *Don't Dare **** With Me* 11/5/2009 2:27:54 PM
>>
>> Holy ****, May, why are you jeopardizing my job, my marriage for a few
>> lousy Usenet posts?
>
> This may be a bit of a stretch for your cognitive abilities, but
> it's not Mr. May putting anything in jeopardy here. What you're
> doing is blaming others for problems you create. The most notable
> consequence of that sort of psychological aberration is
> relinquishing the power to set things right. You'll never grow up,
> if you don't take responsibility for your own actions.
>
> In any case....
>
> The real reason I'm coming out of retirement per say, and making
> this post, is that I'm genuinely curious about why you'd want to
> pretend to be me? Is your life so empty and pointless you're
> compelled to assume someone else's identity at random, or is it more
> of a "revenge" thing? Was one of your socks on the receiving end of
> a beat down I handed out, or do you really just admire me that much?
>
> Either way I'm somewhat flattered given the fact that the last time
> I posted anything to Usenet was probably over 4 years ago. It's
> reassuring to know that I made such an impact on your life that your
> affections have festered for so long. I must have done my job quite
> well. :-)
>
> Regards,
> The real Jeffrey Bloss, now residing in central Pennsylvania, USA,
> in case anyone is actually interested.

Fact.
--
Live To Spend It

[Violet Gail Eldridge]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:27:39 -0500, Jeffrey F. Bloss wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
>
> Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
>
>>> Alric J. Knebel IP: 67.60.27.252
>>> 16201 Cervantes Court Biloxi, MS 39532
>>> (228) 432-0131 or (228) 392-9967
>>> http://tr.im/1f7z
>>> 30.26.30.52 N 88.52.46.90 W
>>>
>>> His Legacy http://tinyurl.com/3523sj
>>> Bloss Slogan - *Don't Dare **** With Me* 11/5/2009 2:27:54 PM
>>
>> Holy ****, May, why are you jeopardizing my job, my marriage for a few
>> lousy Usenet posts?

> The real reason I'm coming out of retirement per say, and making
> this post, is that I'm genuinely curious about why you'd want to
> pretend to be me? Is your life so empty and pointless you're
> compelled to assume someone else's identity at random, or is it more
> of a "revenge" thing? Was one of your socks on the receiving end of
> a beat down I handed out, or do you really just admire me that much?
>
> Either way I'm somewhat flattered given the fact that the last time
> I posted anything to Usenet was probably over 4 years ago. It's
> reassuring to know that I made such an impact on your life that your
> affections have festered for so long. I must have done my job quite
> well. :-)
>
> Regards,
> The real Jeffrey Bloss, now residing in central Pennsylvania, USA,
> in case anyone is actually interested.

Thanks for that, Jeffrey!
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm0tugjJs_A

[John Corliss]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:35:52 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

>> I imagine if someone whines to Google they will pull your mail.
>> That's just a minor inconvenience I know, but why don't you instead just
>> lighten up? Be abusive in private emails and we will never know.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> Brian Whatcott.

Pull his email? So fukken what, what****? Will somebody anybody give
this shriveled dickhead a lesson in Usenet?

By the way, what****, I live in the United States where freedom of
speech is guaranteed by our constitution. Not only that, but I have
lots of guns *also a constitutional right here* so if anybody else
comes after me, I can simply shoot them to death.

Capiche'?

[Desk Rabbit]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:27:52 -0500, Jeffrey F. Bloss wrote:

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> Ron May wrote:
>
>> We have been after this Bloss clown
>
> Hey! I resemble that remark. <grin>
>
>> for a year and finally caught him
>> with multiple cross pings and a retrace via Tor exit nodes.
>>
>> He also posts as "Franklin" and claims he is a pilot. <no g>
>
> Hmmmmmmmm.... Franklin.... I can't say as I recall that particular
> nic but then I've left a pretty significant string of nym hopper
> corpses lying alongside the information dirt road in my day. He
> wouldn't be tied up with the miscreants from a certain "anonymity
> service" I demolished a few years back would he? A notoriously
> unsavory band of mentals reportedly lead by one Georg Adem [sic],
> operating as privacy.li and possibly other fake anonymity services?
> The freaks who were tied up with "yardbird" and his pedophile ring,
> until they were busted?

*You* were the one who busted up privacy.lie? Ooooh, so manly, so manly!

>>
>> Beware, he's a phool's tool.
>
> You can say that again. Anyone who would want to eat from my full
> plate has to be nuts. Between work, family, having relocated across
> country, moving a house full of belongings 4 times in the last
> year and a half, getting back into the music scene after a long
> hiatus, and a budding relationship with a new girlfriend, I
> sometimes wish /I/ were someone else.

Aren't you?

> Maybe I should become this "Franklin" character. He seems to have
> quite a bit of free time on his hands. ;-)

Whose "Franklin"? Franklin Camper? AKA Bear Bottoms?

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Can't read it, too much scribble****.

[John Stubbins[_3_]]

Usenet troll Sidney Lambe wrote:

>John Stubbins wrote:
>> Franklin gave me a teabagging once but his eyes popped out and his teeth
>> kept coming loose while he stroked my boobs: http://is.gd/4OUdr with his
>> 3-fingered clubhand. Apart from that his tongue resembles grade 9 sandpaper
>> and he makes a howling noise like a hyena while he slurps like a drain.


>Frankln stroked your boobs? 3-fingered clubhand? howling noise like a hyena?
>slurps like a drain? sucking balls in a teabagging?

>He is a homo, John Stubbins. Do you have a picture of him?


Yes of course: http://is.gd/4P3TX

--
-Franklin John Stubbins- \/"sockpuppets and forgers extraordinaire"\/.
Appointed supplier of socks/forgeries to the Pricelessware Cult since 2005.
Approved by the Pricelessware Dear Leader: Ron May.

"of all the things we've lost in our lives, we miss our minds the most"

[David Cameron the autistic European]

In article d>,
says...
>
> Usenet troll Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
> >John Stubbins wrote:
> >> Franklin gave me a teabagging once but his eyes popped out and his teeth
> >> kept coming loose while he stroked my boobs: http://is.gd/4OUdr with his
> >> 3-fingered clubhand. Apart from that his tongue resembles grade 9 sandpaper
> >> and he makes a howling noise like a hyena while he slurps like a drain.
>
>
> >Frankln stroked your boobs? 3-fingered clubhand? howling noise like a hyena?
> >slurps like a drain? sucking balls in a teabagging?
>
> >He is a homo, John Stubbins. Do you have a picture of him?
>
>
> Yes of course: http://is.gd/4P3TX

hummingbírd, we love homos, but hate frogs.

Please stay on the same page.

--
David

[socialism.no.thanks]

John Stubbings posting as 'David Cameron the autistic European' wrote:
>"I love homos, but hate frogs. Please stay on the same page."


John Stubbings,
I have little interest in your sexual preferences but...

I see that you are getting very worried and edgy about the possibility
of David Cameron becoming the next British Prime Minister.
It's not difficult to see why. After 13 years of the most incompetent,
corrupt, wasteful and dishonest socialist govt under Blair, now Brown,
for the first time you will need to take personal responsibility for your
own life. Your days of living off the backs of other people with endless
state handouts, all paid for by others who carry unbearable levels of
taxation will soon be numbered.

It will take a new Tory Govt to sort out the absolute shambles of public
finances, our bankrupt nation, our broken society, restore incentives to
work and get public services working again to serve the people who fund
them. The state of Britain today is far worse than it was the last time
the socialist Labour Party were evicted from office in 1979. That took
M Thatcher to repair and doubtless David Cameron will not repair the
wreckage overnight, but deal with it he will. I am confident of that.

Hopefully, the people of Britain have now finally learnt that socialism
simply doesn't work - in all senses of the word.

regards,

--
the freedom/liberty and personal responsibility association :-)

[Manatee Memories]

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:43:58 +0000, socialism.no.thanks wrote:

> John Stubbings posting as 'David Cameron the autistic European' wrote:
>>"I love homos, but hate frogs. Please stay on the same page."
>
> John Stubbings,
> I have little interest in your sexual preferences but...
>
> I see that you are getting very worried and edgy about the possibility
> of David Cameron becoming the next British Prime Minister.
> It's not difficult to see why. After 13 years of the most incompetent,
> corrupt, wasteful and dishonest socialist govt under Blair, now Brown,
> for the first time you will need to take personal responsibility for your
> own life. Your days of living off the backs of other people with endless
> state handouts, all paid for by others who carry unbearable levels of
> taxation will soon be numbered.
>
> It will take a new Tory Govt to sort out the absolute shambles of public
> finances, our bankrupt nation, our broken society, restore incentives to
> work and get public services working again to serve the people who fund
> them. The state of Britain today is far worse than it was the last time
> the socialist Labour Party were evicted from office in 1979. That took
> M Thatcher to repair and doubtless David Cameron will not repair the
> wreckage overnight, but deal with it he will. I am confident of that.
>
> Hopefully, the people of Britain have now finally learnt that socialism
> simply doesn't work - in all senses of the word.
>
> regards,

What does this have to do with Barry <swoon>
--
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Computer possessed? Try DEVICE=C:\EXOR.SYS
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[Jeffrey Bloss]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:04:01 -0500, Manatee Memories wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:43:58 +0000, socialism.no.thanks wrote:
>
>> John Stubbings posting as 'David Cameron the autistic European' wrote:
>>>"I love homos, but hate frogs. Please stay on the same page."
>>
>> John Stubbings,
>> I have little interest in your sexual preferences but...
>>
>> I see that you are getting very worried and edgy about the possibility
>> of David Cameron becoming the next British Prime Minister.
>> It's not difficult to see why. After 13 years of the most incompetent,
>> corrupt, wasteful and dishonest socialist govt under Blair, now Brown,
>> for the first time you will need to take personal responsibility for your
>> own life. Your days of living off the backs of other people with endless
>> state handouts, all paid for by others who carry unbearable levels of
>> taxation will soon be numbered.
>>
>> It will take a new Tory Govt to sort out the absolute shambles of public
>> finances, our bankrupt nation, our broken society, restore incentives to
>> work and get public services working again to serve the people who fund
>> them. The state of Britain today is far worse than it was the last time
>> the socialist Labour Party were evicted from office in 1979. That took
>> M Thatcher to repair and doubtless David Cameron will not repair the
>> wreckage overnight, but deal with it he will. I am confident of that.
>>
>> Hopefully, the people of Britain have now finally learnt that socialism
>> simply doesn't work - in all senses of the word.
>>
>> regards,
>
> What does this have to do with Barry <swoon>

Not a ****ing thing, why is everything about ManiFag?
--
_?_ Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
(@ @) Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-oOO-(_)--OOo-------------------------------[ Groucho Marx ]--
grok! Devoted Microsoft User

[David Cameron the autistic European']

hummingbird wrote

> hummingbird changed David Cameron's words to read:
> >"I love homos, but hate frogs. Please stay on the same page."

> I see that you are getting very worried and edgy about the possibility
> of David Cameron becoming the next British Prime Minister.

Only a possibility now? s******

> It's not difficult to see why. After 13 years of the most incompetent,
> corrupt, wasteful and dishonest socialist govt under Blair, now Brown,
> for the first time you will need to take personal responsibility for your
> own life. Your days of living off the backs of other people with endless
> state handouts

If only.

> all paid for by others who carry unbearable levels of
> taxation will soon be numbered.

Only a muppet would believe that.

> It will take a new Tory Govt to sort out the absolute shambles of public
> finances, our bankrupt nation, our broken society,

We don't have a bankrupt nation or a broken society. We live in a
cultured, safe, lawful, wealthy, western country.

> restore incentives to
> work and get public services working again to serve the people who fund
> them.

Seriously, this is an insult to the people who work hard in these
services.

> The state of Britain today is far worse than it was the last time
> the socialist Labour Party were evicted from office in 1979. That took
> M Thatcher to repair and doubtless David Cameron will not repair the
> wreckage overnight, but deal with it he will. I am confident of that.

The truth is, many of us have made a lot of money these last dozen or so
years. Where were you?

> Hopefully, the people of Britain have now finally learnt that socialism
> simply doesn't work - in all senses of the word.

socialism <sigh> who cares about that? You don't have a clue about the
real challenges in the modern world.

We live in a ****ing amazing era, where the opportunities are
mindblowing, and all you can do is whine. <shrug>

Visionless know nothing that you are.

--
Barrow Boy

[DVH]

"David Cameron the autistic European'" > wrote in message
...

> The facts are we have had a dozen years of prosperity... and a bit of a
> correction... it happens

How are you measuring "prosperity"?

[David Cameron the autistic European]

In article >,
says...
>
> "David Cameron the autistic European'" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > The facts are we have had a dozen years of prosperity... and a bit of a
> > correction... it happens
>
> How are you measuring "prosperity"?

I wasn't measuring it DVH. I was just observing it.

3/4 car families. Houses piled high with posessions. Designer clothes
for the kids. Good healthcare. Couple of foreign holidays a year.

....and that's just people on the council estate I grew up on.

When I compare that to how I grew up. Just look at what has been
achieved. Amazing.

According to wikipaedia, the UK is the sixth largest economy in the
world. Blimey. Tiny island. *failed state* according to hummingbird.

Keep it real.

--
Dave

[DVH]

"David Cameron the autistic European" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> "David Cameron the autistic European'" > wrote in
>> message
>> ...
>>
>> > The facts are we have had a dozen years of prosperity... and a bit of a
>> > correction... it happens
>>
>> How are you measuring "prosperity"?
>
> I wasn't measuring it DVH. I was just observing it.
>
> 3/4 car families. Houses piled high with posessions. Designer clothes
> for the kids. Good healthcare. Couple of foreign holidays a year.

These are measurements. You're measuring prosperity in things like foreign
holidays and consumer goods.

No objection to that.

Your "index" could have increased in spite of any action by the Government.

For example having lots of consumer goods is a function of trade with China,
not the result of work by our dear leaders.

>
> ...and that's just people on the council estate I grew up on.
>
> When I compare that to how I grew up. Just look at what has been
> achieved. Amazing.

Yes, it is in many ways. I'm dubious as to how much of it was achieved by
government.

>
> According to wikipaedia, the UK is the sixth largest economy in the
> world. Blimey. Tiny island. *failed state* according to hummingbird.
>
> Keep it real.
>
> --
> Dave

[Ivan]

"David Cameron the autistic European" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> "David Cameron the autistic European'" > wrote in
>> message
>> ...
>>
>> > The facts are we have had a dozen years of prosperity... and a bit of a
>> > correction... it happens
>>
>> How are you measuring "prosperity"?
>
> I wasn't measuring it DVH. I was just observing it.
>
> 3/4 car families. Houses piled high with posessions. Designer clothes
> for the kids. Good healthcare. Couple of foreign holidays a year.
>
> ...and that's just people on the council estate I grew up on.
>

Funded by among other failed things as north sea oil, all of which (some may
think thankfully) are coming to an end, **** knows how we're going to find
sufficient cash to fund the 10,000,000 extra people expected in this already
overcrowded island within the next 20 years.
"So serious is this problem that some are inclined to see it in apocalyptic
terms: Jim Rogers, a renowned investor, has predicted that the demise of the
North Sea will send the pound crashing downwards, taking the UK into
banana-republic territory. It is not hard to see what he means."
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/edmundconway/6505670/North-Sea-oil-is-dragging-us-into-the-red.html>

>
>

> When I compare that to how I grew up. Just look at what has been
> achieved. Amazing.
>
> According to wikipaedia, the UK is the sixth largest economy in the
> world. Blimey. Tiny island. *failed state* according to hummingbird.
>
> Keep it real.
>
>

[David Cameron the autistic European]

In article >,
says...

> >> How are you measuring "prosperity"?
> >
> > I wasn't measuring it DVH. I was just observing it.
> >
> > 3/4 car families. Houses piled high with posessions. Designer clothes
> > for the kids. Good healthcare. Couple of foreign holidays a year.
>
> These are measurements. You're measuring prosperity in things like foreign
> holidays and consumer goods.
>
> No objection to that.
>
> Your "index" could have increased in spite of any action by the Government.

Come on. Maggie changed our way of thinking [or very least tackled the
real problems we all knew existed] and Blair continued with that.

If the brit mindset hadn't changed we would be the poorer for it, I
think.

As Cameron said, "in these difficult times, Britain needs leadership,
character, and judgement"

We do. The funny thing is though, he was talking about himself...

> > When I compare that to how I grew up. Just look at what has been
> > achieved. Amazing.
>
> Yes, it is in many ways. I'm dubious as to how much of it was achieved by
> government.

Even I'm not that cynical.
--
Dave

[David Cameron the autistic European]

In article >,
says...
>
> "David Cameron the autistic European" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> "David Cameron the autistic European'" > wrote in
> >> message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> > The facts are we have had a dozen years of prosperity... and a bit of a
> >> > correction... it happens
> >>
> >> How are you measuring "prosperity"?
> >
> > I wasn't measuring it DVH. I was just observing it.
> >
> > 3/4 car families. Houses piled high with posessions. Designer clothes
> > for the kids. Good healthcare. Couple of foreign holidays a year.
> >
> > ...and that's just people on the council estate I grew up on.
> >
>
> Funded by among other failed things as north sea oil, all of which (some may
> think thankfully) are coming to an end, **** knows how we're going to find
> sufficient cash to fund the 10,000,000 extra people expected in this already
> overcrowded island within the next 20 years.
> "So serious is this problem that some are inclined to see it in apocalyptic
> terms: Jim Rogers, a renowned investor, has predicted that the demise of the
> North Sea will send the pound crashing downwards, taking the UK into
> banana-republic territory. It is not hard to see what he means."
> <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/edmundconway/6505670/North-Sea-oil-is-dragging-us-into-the-red.html>

Aw! You don't really believe that do you Ivan. I've lived a long time
and it's boring the number of apocalypses I missed. <shrug>

The good news is the future is rarely what you expect. Wow!!

Anyway this has been a shrewd move by successive brit governments to
flog off our oil before the greens go and devalue it.

You see years ago we realised the do gooders were going to spoil our fun
so we decided to make hay while the sun shone...

Then we decided to take control of the situation, cos the greeens
weren't working hard enough [socialists], and get our scientists to
dream up 'the Big Con', the sting of all stings... Global Warming.

By the time our oil runs out, the carbon quotas will have kicked in and
then we can sell nuclear reprocessing to the rest of the world. See
that's politics.

We're already gearing up the geeks to declare smoking marajuna safe so
we can flog it to the extra 10,000,000 souls you mentioned. That should
raise the ambient temperature a couple of degrees and the taxes
collected will make up for the oil revenue deficit.

So we'll all be nice and warm and buying chinese goods for years to
come.

Have a spliff. Calm down. It's all in hand. Don't worry.

--
Dave - I don't inhale

[David Cameron the autistic European]

In article >,
says...
>
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:43:58 +0000, socialism.no.thanks
> > wrote Re The oh so sad case of
> John Stubbings:
>
> >It will take a new Tory Govt to sort out the absolute shambles of public
> >finances, our bankrupt nation, our broken society, restore incentives to
> >work and get public services working again to serve the people who fund
> >them.
>
> Wow! How can we get a Troy Govt in the U.S.??

We'll sell you one. Sending price list via email.

--
Dave

[dick blisters]

"John Corliss" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:35:52 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
>
>>> I imagine if someone whines to Google they will pull your mail.
>>> That's just a minor inconvenience I know, but why don't you instead just
>>> lighten up? Be abusive in private emails and we will never know.
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>>
>>> Brian Whatcott.
>
> Pull his email? So fukken what, what****? Will somebody anybody give
> this shriveled dickhead a lesson in Usenet?
>
> By the way, what****, I live in the United States where freedom of
> speech is guaranteed by our constitution. Not only that, but I have
> lots of guns *also a constitutional right here* so if anybody else
> comes after me, I can simply shoot them to death.
>
I always knew the US was filled with paranoid psychotics.

[George Osbourne the shadow chancer]

In article >,
says...

<big snip>

Wow! thanks hummy. This Stubbings is a big problem.

They should have allowed Northern Rock to go down like you advised me.

It would only have robbed a subset of the middle classes of their life
savings above £35,000. Mostly northern *******s anyway. So who cares.

Nothing like a run on the banks to oust a government I say.

I tried to talk the pound down as well, but that bugger Brown still
managed to keep us afloat.

I tried <shrug>

Thanks as always.

Georgie

[David Cameron Loves Homos Hates Frogs]

In article >,
says...

Hummy forget this barrow boy, I need your help. The bloody party is up
in arms about this Referendum thing on the Lisbon Treaty.

I can't seem to please anyone!!!

I did what you said and blamed the socialists, but it hasn't helped.

I mean people in /my/ party expect me to keep my word. I just don't know
what the world is coming to when shopkeepers, tradesmen, and such, start
thinking they have the right to speak when not spoken to.

Advise.

--
Dave

[John Corliss]

dick blisters wrote:
> A forgery of John Corliss wrote:
>> Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
>>
>>>> I imagine if someone whines to Google they will pull your mail.
>>>> That's just a minor inconvenience I know, but why don't you instead just
>>>> lighten up? Be abusive in private emails and we will never know.
>>
>> Pull his email? So fukken what, what etc.
>
> I always knew the US was filled with paranoid psychotics.

Regardless, you DO know that you were replying to a forgery I hope.

--
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Googlespam) and all x-privat.org posts (because of the forgery flood
posted through that service) with NewsProxy. No ad, cd, commercial,
cripple, demo, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR
warez for me, please.

[David Cameron the autistic European]

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:32:24 +0000, aracari wrote:

> Stubbings, I rarely waste time on your socialist mantras

hummingbird, I rarely waste time on your nauseous tantras

> but I'll say these things to you only once:

'Allo 'Allo! do I detect a touch of the frog in your throat...

hummingbird?s a French spy?
Shoot him down and let him die:

Down to business. Wow! a novelette, just for me

Let's précis

We're in the ****, but if we trust you, you'll save us.

Otherwise "everybody will become a state-snooper and armies
of chav apparatachiks will be dishing out orders to everybody
and dipping their hands in the till" ^eyes to heaven^

Labour ferried in the Polish to fix the polls. Pun intended.

Various BNP policies rehashed, shed loads of amateur economics, and
neatly avoiding the question...

Can Dave and George cut the mustard?

If you weren't such a joke I might even agree with you on some things,
but your leaning toward excessive exaggeration, downright intentional
misrepresentation, evasion, and character assasination of anyone who
might disagree with you, just negates any value in anything you ever
say, and makes dialogue impossible.

--
Dave

[Ricky]

On Nov 4, 5:50*pm, brian whatcott > wrote:

> Jeffrey, I have largely skipped your posts til now.

> Brian Whatcott.

Keep ignoring, as I am, maybe the kid will go.

Ricky

[Brian Whatcott]

Ricky wrote:
/snip/
> Keep ignoring, as I am, maybe the kid will go.
>
> Ricky
>

I was thinking...if Dudley got stirred up enough,
he might want to get the nym's middle finger
presented to him, one last time - on a platter.
This job apparently comes at a bargain price
these days. The economy, you know.

Brian W

[Franklin[_19_]]

Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:13:51 -0800 (PST), Ricky wrote:
>
>> Ricky
>
> Don't lose that number.

We hear you're leaving, that's OK.
I thought our little wild time had just begun.
I guess you kind of scared yourself, you turn and run.