IVAW - Chris

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Iraq Veterans Against the War
http://ivaw.org


Chris
Branch: Army National Guard of the United States (ARNG)
Rank: e-4
Home: Illinois

I served in the Michigan Army National Guard for six years as a 13B
(Artilleryman) in Charlie 1-119th. I was mobilized to Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba to serve in Camp Delta as a prison guard.

http://ivaw.org/view/profiles


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Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions are moral, and
no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.

definition:
murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS.

[mkf]

On Nov 9, 1:17*pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." > wrote:
> Iraq Veterans Against the War
> * *http://ivaw.org
>
> Chris
> Branch: Army National Guard of the United States (ARNG)
> Rank: e-4
> Home: Illinois
>
> I served in the Michigan Army National Guard for six years as a 13B
> (Artilleryman) in Charlie 1-119th. I was mobilized to Guantanamo
> Bay, Cuba to serve in Camp Delta as a prison guard.
>
> * *http://ivaw.org/view/profiles
>
> --
> Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions are moral, and
> no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.
>
> definition:
> * murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS.

This war shows a large inconsistency, with regard to morality. In
1945, the Nuremberg trials declared that "I was only following orders"
was not an adequate defense for immoral actions. Then, when soldiers
refused to be deployed to Iraq because of moral objections, believing
in their right to do so based on the results of the Nuremberg trials,
the result was "soldiers are not expected to make their own moral
decisions unless their orders directly conflict with the Geneva
Conventions." In other words "we have moral standards when it suits
us".

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

mkf wrote:

> On Nov 9, 1:17 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." > wrote:
>
>>Iraq Veterans Against the War
>> http://ivaw.org
>>
>>Chris
>>Branch: Army National Guard of the United States (ARNG)
>>Rank: e-4
>>Home: Illinois
>>
>>I served in the Michigan Army National Guard for six years as a 13B
>>(Artilleryman) in Charlie 1-119th. I was mobilized to Guantanamo
>>Bay, Cuba to serve in Camp Delta as a prison guard.
>>
>> http://ivaw.org/view/profiles
>>
>>--
>>Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions are moral, and
>>no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.
>>
>>definition:
>> murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS.
>
>
> This war shows a large inconsistency, with regard to morality. In
> 1945, the Nuremberg trials declared that "I was only following orders"
> was not an adequate defense for immoral actions. Then, when soldiers
> refused to be deployed to Iraq because of moral objections, believing
> in their right to do so based on the results of the Nuremberg trials,
> the result was "soldiers are not expected to make their own moral
> decisions unless their orders directly conflict with the Geneva
> Conventions." In other words "we have moral standards when it suits
> us".

Yep. Morality has taken a back seat to official U.S. government law.

Even refusing an illegal (U.S. law) order has no meaning since there is apparently
no way to prove it illegal, as the Lt. Watada case showed. Watada claimed the
war is illegal but the evidence of illegality was not allowed in his court martial.
http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/content/view/786/1/



--
Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions are moral, and
no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.

definition:
murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS.