Need a Usenet computer guru opinion please

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Assuming I'll be separating the troll answers to this post from the
useful information, I need an answer to a Usenet question if anyone
wants to take a moment to try and help with a bad situation. To the
regulars, bear with me on this as I need this answer to fit some
missing pieces together.

I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using
my name to post here on this forum. It's no big deal really as I'm
sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts
and the forgeries.

Fortunately I have a few international contacts who are looking into
it overseas for me. But discovering the culprit isn't my aim here
although that might be forthcoming with a bit of luck.
What's concerning me isn't the copied and pasted in text that has been
appearing here over my name, as anyone can do that, but rather how
someone can access the data and path necessary to have a post appear
with my name appearing as the poster in the thread hierarchy to the
point where someone can actually see my name as the poster and click
on the profile link to see my regular profile. For all practical
purposes, this would appear to be a post from me personally and I need
to find out how this person is accomplishing this.

For you Usenet gurus out there who might want to try and help with
this; I use Google groups for Usenet posting since I don't post all
that much any longer.
An example of the type of post I'm referring to where my name has been
forged can be found in the thread called [Complaint sent to x-
privat.org]
Checking that thread you will find a post supposedly from me, bearing
my name as the poster under a post from one of the suspect posts
showing the name of Ron May. On my Google threads this post shows as
number 8.Assuming I have no idea how this post appeared and had
nothing to do with it's being posted, can someone explain exactly how
a person can access this forum having my name and profile appear as
though the post came from me?
I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers
using my name and have taken the steps necessary along those lines,
but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
through links to my profile.
Is there any way at all this can be stopped by notifying Google
Groups? Is this even a Google Groups problem?
Any and all input (expected trolls excepted of course :-) appreciated.
Thanks, an I'm very sorry for having to take up the band width to
address these issues.
Perhaps one of these days we can get back to talking flying again :-)
Dudley Henriques

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
> through links to my profile.

Yeah, how can they. Baffling.

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:40:06 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques > wrote in
>:

>What's concerning me is ... how
>someone can access the data and path necessary to have a post appear
>with my name appearing as the poster in the thread hierarchy to the
>point where someone can actually see my name as the poster and click
>on the profile link to see my regular profile. For all practical
>purposes, this would appear to be a post from me personally and I need
>to find out how this person is accomplishing this.

They just have to lie about who the post is "from."

The software protocol that runs Usenet (NNTP) does
not check the authenticity of the "from" field. Nor
does Google cross-check the authenticity of a post
that says it was "from" >.

> ... can someone explain exactly how
>a person can access this forum having my name and profile appear as
>though the post came from me?

Once the post with the lying "from" field is injected into
any old server, Google archives it, finds your e-mail in the
from field, and sets it up so that the post is associated
with your profile.

>I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers
>using my name and have taken the steps necessary along those lines,
>but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
>through links to my profile?

Google doesn't check authenticity. It merely reports correlations.
It can't tell the difference between the real you and the counterfeit
you.

>Is there any way at all this can be stopped by notifying Google
>Groups?

You may ask Google to remove the counterfeit posts from their
archives. They say there is a removal tool available to you
if you are logged in to Google Groups:

<http://groups.google.com/group/google-groups-guide/web/google-groups-faq>

> Is this even a Google Groups problem?

Not really. It is a huge loophole in NNTP and not one that
is liable to be closed any time soon (that I know of--I am
not involved in that part of the system).

Marty
--
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[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 12:42*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
> > but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
> > through links to my profile.
>
> Yeah, how can they. Baffling.

It's getting less baffling every time you post.
DH

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

> I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using
> my name to post here on this forum.

That *******! :-)

> Fortunately I have a few international contacts who are looking into
> it overseas for me.

What a lucky guy you are! :-)))

> I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers

No, obviously you don't understand anything about how usenet works. :-)))))

[Brian Whatcott]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> ...
> I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using
> my name to post here on this forum. It's no big deal really as I'm
> sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts
> and the forgeries....

> Dudley Henriques

It might be useful to find out if the troll in question
is left or right-handed.

Brian W

[Ken S. Tucker]

On Nov 10, 9:42 am, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
> > but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
> > through links to my profile.
>
> Yeah, how can they. Baffling.

Well internet *identity theft* is currently regarded as pranksterism,
however, that crime is becoming serious, to the extent an injunction
could be imposed on imposters, as it is a form of fraud.
This is very much like a person writing a novel using the name
'Steven King' to gain on an authors trade-mark name.
It can get serious, just as copyrighted songs did.
Ken
PS: If this post is boring then I wrote it, it's the real me.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 12:53*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
> > I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using
> > my name to post here on this forum.
>
> That *******! :-)
>
> > Fortunately I have a few international contacts who are looking into
> > it overseas for me.
>
> What a lucky guy you are! :-)))
>
> > I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers
>
> No, obviously you don't understand anything about how usenet works. :-)))))

Troll

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 12:52*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> On Nov 10, 12:42*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>
> > Dudley Henriques wrote:
> > > but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
> > > through links to my profile.
>
> > Yeah, how can they. Baffling.
>
> It's getting less baffling every time you post.
> DH

217.162.205.36

[Jim Logajan]

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers
> using my name and have taken the steps necessary along those lines,
> but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
> through links to my profile.

Here's what I believe is happening:

Google Groups uses only the content of the "From:" header to automatically
associate posts to user profiles. So when someone places your name and e-
mail address in the header of their posts, then no matter what Usenet
service provider they posted from (and irrespective of all the other post's
headers) the Google Groups software will associate that post with your
Google Groups account.

So the Google Groups web site software displays your user profile when
someone (like you or I) clicks on the "View profile" of the forged post.
Fortunately that does nothing to compromise your Google account.

> Is there any way at all this can be stopped by notifying Google
> Groups? Is this even a Google Groups problem?

It's a problem with the user interface design of Google Groups that isn't
likely to be fixed since they probably don't consider it broken. I suspect
they wrote their software the way they did so that even if a poster changes
Usenet service providers, then so long as that user continues to post under
the same name and/or e-mail address, then their archives will associate all
posts to the same user profile. Sometimes that reasonable, sometimes not
(as in forgeries.)

In one sense, the Google Groups programming assumption reinforces the case
that such forgeries have the potential to be libelous and if persistent and
serious enough, might rate legal pursuit. Depends on whether the perp makes
the cost/benefit ratio low enough to pursue for you or anyone else so
targeted.

I've seen enough of the mismanagement (or deliberately criminal
management?) of x-privat.org and the owner's slow and non-responses to
complaints (and failures to blacklist repeated perps and failure to put in
place better registration procedures) that I think it would be reasonable
to target that provider. I think that from a legal strategy point of view,
it might be worthwhile to consider pointing out to the owner of the x-
privat.org machines that such libelous posts are originating on _their_
machines and they are responsible for said libel until they can prove
otherwise. In other words, if they aren't keeping records of who is posting
through their machine they have to be considered the authors of those
posts.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 12:49*pm, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" >
wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:40:06 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques > wrote in
> >:
>
> >What's concerning me is ... how
> >someone can access the data and path necessary to have a post appear
> >with my name appearing as the poster in the thread hierarchy to the
> >point where someone can actually see my name as the poster and click
> >on the profile link to see my regular profile. For all practical
> >purposes, this would appear to be a post from me personally and I need
> >to find out how this person is accomplishing this.
>
> They just have to lie about who the post is "from."
>
> The software protocol that runs Usenet (NNTP) does
> not check the authenticity of the "from" field. *Nor
> does Google cross-check the authenticity of a post
> that says it was "from" >.
>
> > ... can someone explain exactly how
> >a person can access this forum having my name and profile appear as
> >though the post came from me?
>
> Once the post with the lying "from" field is injected into
> any old server, Google archives it, finds your e-mail in the
> from field, and sets it up so that the post is associated
> with your profile.
>
> >I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers
> >using my name and have taken the steps necessary along those lines,
> >but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
> >through links to my profile?
>
> Google doesn't check authenticity. *It merely reports correlations.
> It can't tell the difference between the real you and the counterfeit
> you.
>
> >Is there any way at all this can be stopped by notifying Google
> >Groups?
>
> You may ask Google to remove the counterfeit posts from their
> archives. *They say there is a removal tool available to you
> if you are logged in to Google Groups:
>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/google-groups-guide/web/google-groups-faq>
>
> > Is this even a Google Groups problem?
>
> Not really. *It is a huge loophole in NNTP and not one that
> is liable to be closed any time soon (that I know of--I am
> not involved in that part of the system).
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Marty
> --
> Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk..*
> Seehttp://www.big-8.orgfor info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

Thanks Martin. Appreciate the feedback.
DH

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 1:30*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> > I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers
> > using my name and have taken the steps necessary along those lines,
> > but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
> > through links to my profile.
>
> Here's what I believe is happening:
>
> Google Groups uses only the content of the "From:" header to automatically
> associate posts to user profiles. So when someone places your name and e-
> mail address in the header of their posts, then no matter what Usenet
> service provider they posted from (and irrespective of all the other post's
> headers) the Google Groups software will associate that post with your
> Google Groups account.
>
> So the Google Groups web site software displays your user profile when
> someone (like you or I) clicks on the "View profile" of the forged post.
> Fortunately that does nothing to compromise your Google account.
>
> > Is there any way at all this can be stopped by notifying Google
> > Groups? Is this even a Google Groups problem?
>
> It's a problem with the user interface design of Google Groups that isn't
> likely to be fixed since they probably don't consider it broken. I suspect
> they wrote their software the way they did so that even if a poster changes
> Usenet service providers, then so long as that user continues to post under
> the same name and/or e-mail address, then their archives will associate all
> posts to the same user profile. Sometimes that reasonable, sometimes not
> (as in forgeries.)
>
> In one sense, the Google Groups programming assumption reinforces the case
> that such forgeries have the potential to be libelous and if persistent and
> serious enough, might rate legal pursuit. Depends on whether the perp makes
> the cost/benefit ratio low enough to pursue for you or anyone else so
> targeted.
>
> I've seen enough of the mismanagement (or deliberately criminal
> management?) of x-privat.org and the owner's slow and non-responses to
> complaints (and failures to blacklist repeated perps and failure to put in
> place better registration procedures) that I think it would be reasonable
> to target that provider. I think that from a legal strategy point of view,
> it might be worthwhile to consider pointing out to the owner of the x-
> privat.org machines that such libelous posts are originating on _their_
> machines and they are responsible for said libel until they can prove
> otherwise. In other words, if they aren't keeping records of who is posting
> through their machine they have to be considered the authors of those
> posts.

Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal
resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I
have.
As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a
close eye on it to see if it expands.
Dudley

[Jim Logajan]

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
> with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
> done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal
> resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
> been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I
> have.

I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, but
probably doesn't realize (or care) that he's already left trails to him
elsewhere. In fact the more service providers he uses, the easier it gets
to nail him.

> As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a
> close eye on it to see if it expands.

Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers.
And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational.

[Jim Logajan]

On Nov 10, 11:31*am, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service,

Read the headers too fast - he's now posting from a Swiss (ch) not
Chinese (cn) provider.

[Lee Ann Faulk]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:59:23 -0800 (PST), Jim Logajan wrote:

> Injection-Info: 12g2000pri.googlegroups.com; posting-host=207.172.126.29;
> posting-account=cwneDAkAAACfknJM_i61589Q9qmC6yDw

WTF that's Henriques!

[Bear Bottoms]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:58:10 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:

> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> ...
>> I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using
>> my name to post here on this forum. It's no big deal really as I'm
>> sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts
>> and the forgeries....
>
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> It might be useful to find out if the troll in question
> is left or right-handed.
>
> Brian W

Huh?
--
Bear Bottoms-Freeware Researcher Extraordinaire
Freeware website: http://bearware.info

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 2:59*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> On Nov 10, 11:31*am, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>
> > I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service,
>
> Read the headers too fast - he's now posting from a Swiss (ch) not
> Chinese (cn) provider.

Yep Zurich area.
DH

[Private]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
snip
as I'm
> sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts
> and the forgeries.

I have and hope to continue to read, enjoy and correspond with you here. I
assure you I have no trouble separating class from chaff.

snip

The Internet has been this way for a long time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog

Happy landings,

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 4:05*pm, "Private" > wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> snip
> *as I'm
>
> > sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts
> > and the forgeries.
>
> I have and hope to continue to read, enjoy and correspond with you here. *I
> assure you I have no trouble separating class from chaff.
>
> snip
>
> The Internet has been this way for a long time.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog
>
> Happy landings,

Thank you very much..............I think :-)) Not sure who anyone is
any longer :-)) To be quite frank with you I'm leaning heavily at this
point on giving Usenet a rest for a while. No big deal for sure or
long departure thing, but it just needs a rest......or at least I do
anyway.
Please feel free to use my private email if desired for any contact.
I'm always available to discuss aviation and aviation safety with both
friends and interested parties.
Jim Logajan has my email address in case the google munge interferes.
Best to you
Dudley Henriques

[Matt Barrow[_8_]]

"Fake Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
>> I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using
>> my name to post here on this forum.
>
> That *******! :-)

Actually, "that little sniveling, cowardly snotball".

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 2:31*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> > Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
> > with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
> > done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal
> > resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
> > been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I
> > have.
>
> I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, but
> probably doesn't realize (or care) that he's already left trails to him
> elsewhere. In fact the more service providers he uses, the easier it gets
> to nail him.
>
> > As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a
> > close eye on it to see if it expands.
>
> Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers.
> And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational.

What I'll never understand is what causes an individual to form such
an utter hatred for another based on what happens on Usenet. The
forgeries and replies are so filled with vitriol and personal attack
one has to wonder about the emotional stability involved. I would LOVE
to have the opportunity to go head to head with this character and
have him/her state in public and for his peers to see, EXACTLY what it
is that has caused these cogent personal attacks. Not the expected,
"because you're an idiot" or "because you think your crap stinks
better than everybody else's" type of reply either. THAT kind of reply
says absolutely nothing but that the person posting such replies
doesn't like someone else.
No, I would want a REASON...............and EXACT REASON.
What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have a
reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.
I probably yanked his chain somewhere back in the stone age and he
harbors some deep resentment.
Of course there IS always the chance that this character gets his
kicks out of trying to get someone to go off on him, hence a classic
troll rather than one of the above mentioned.
Anyway, it's a shame that someone with the smarts to go to that much
trouble to aggravate someone couldn't channel those efforts into
useful dialog with people.
As it happens, this same troll has taken on other people here as well,
so I don't really feel "special" :-))
Dudley Henriques

[Dave Doe]

In article <41618695-f7c4-4394-85fd-
>, says...
> On Nov 10, 2:31*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> > Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> > > Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
> > > with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
> > > done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal
> > > resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
> > > been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I
> > > have.
> >
> > I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, but
> > probably doesn't realize (or care) that he's already left trails to him
> > elsewhere. In fact the more service providers he uses, the easier it gets
> > to nail him.
> >
> > > As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a
> > > close eye on it to see if it expands.
> >
> > Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers..
> > And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational.
>
> What I'll never understand is what causes an individual to form such
> an utter hatred for another based on what happens on Usenet. The
> forgeries and replies are so filled with vitriol and personal attack
> one has to wonder about the emotional stability involved. I would LOVE
> to have the opportunity to go head to head with this character and
> have him/her state in public and for his peers to see, EXACTLY what it
> is that has caused these cogent personal attacks. Not the expected,
> "because you're an idiot" or "because you think your crap stinks
> better than everybody else's" type of reply either. THAT kind of reply
> says absolutely nothing but that the person posting such replies
> doesn't like someone else.
> No, I would want a REASON...............and EXACT REASON.
> What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have a
> reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.
> I probably yanked his chain somewhere back in the stone age and he
> harbors some deep resentment.
> Of course there IS always the chance that this character gets his
> kicks out of trying to get someone to go off on him, hence a classic
> troll rather than one of the above mentioned.
> Anyway, it's a shame that someone with the smarts to go to that much
> trouble to aggravate someone couldn't channel those efforts into
> useful dialog with people.
> As it happens, this same troll has taken on other people here as well,
> so I don't really feel "special" :-))
> Dudley Henriques

Well what I don't get - is why you simply don't just ignore him/her?

This is what these sort of folk *do* - and this person is suceeding in
baiting you to the extent that you have made this post (amoung others).

In short, surely if you just ignore them, bozo bin them - they'll
realise you are no fun to 'play' with - and go away.

Well that's my theory, and I'm stickin' with it! :)

--
Duncan.

[Jim Logajan]

Dave Doe > wrote:
> Well what I don't get - is why you simply don't just ignore him/her?
>
> This is what these sort of folk *do* - and this person is suceeding in
> baiting you to the extent that you have made this post (amoung
> others).

Hmmm. What you are implying is that it is OK to let someone else post
anything and everything using your name. Because no one here is talking
about simple trolling - we all know they are best ignored. The problem is
that when someone posts under another's name, it is often archived in many
different databases (Google is but one of them.) So those forged posts can
persist for years; and there will be no indicator to a future reader to
know that a given post is forged.

> In short, surely if you just ignore them, bozo bin them -

He'd need to killfile on his own name and e-mail address, though.

> they'll realise you are no fun to 'play' with - and go away.

The forger doesn't appear to be playing - he's got some funky emotional
problems.

> Well that's my theory, and I'm stickin' with it! :)

Well _my_ theory is that all brontosauruses are thin at one end; much, much
thicker in the middle; and then thin again at the far end.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 8:16*pm, Dave Doe > wrote:
> In article <41618695-f7c4-4394-85fd-
> >, says...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 2:31*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> > > Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> > > > Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
> > > > with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
> > > > done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal
> > > > resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
> > > > been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I
> > > > have.
>
> > > I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, but
> > > probably doesn't realize (or care) that he's already left trails to him
> > > elsewhere. In fact the more service providers he uses, the easier it gets
> > > to nail him.
>
> > > > As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a
> > > > close eye on it to see if it expands.
>
> > > Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers.
> > > And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational.
>
> > What I'll never understand is what causes an individual to form such
> > an utter hatred for another based on what happens on Usenet. The
> > forgeries and replies are so filled with vitriol and personal attack
> > one has to wonder about the emotional stability involved. I would LOVE
> > to have the opportunity to go head to head with this character and
> > have him/her state in public and for his peers to see, EXACTLY what it
> > is that has caused these cogent personal attacks. Not the expected,
> > "because you're an idiot" or "because you think your crap stinks
> > better than everybody else's" type of reply either. THAT kind of reply
> > says absolutely nothing but that the person posting such replies
> > doesn't like someone else.
> > No, I would want a REASON...............and EXACT REASON.
> > What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have a
> > reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.
> > I probably yanked his chain somewhere back in the stone age and he
> > harbors some deep resentment.
> > Of course there IS always the chance that this character gets his
> > kicks out of trying to get someone to go off on him, hence a classic
> > troll rather than one of the above mentioned.
> > Anyway, it's a shame that someone with the smarts to go to that much
> > trouble to aggravate someone couldn't channel those efforts into
> > useful dialog with people.
> > As it happens, this same troll has taken on other people here as well,
> > so I don't really feel "special" :-))
> > Dudley Henriques
>
> Well what I don't get - is why you simply don't just ignore him/her?
>
> This is what these sort of folk *do* - and this person is suceeding in
> baiting you to the extent that you have made this post (amoung others).
>
> In short, surely if you just ignore them, bozo bin them - they'll
> realise you are no fun to 'play' with - and go away.
>
> Well that's my theory, and I'm stickin' with it! :)
>
> --
> Duncan.

Ignoring a troll who posts under you using their own name or a
pseudonym can be ignored. Ignoring someone who posts using your name
and identity
is quite another thing.
Dudley Henriques

[Matt Barrow[_8_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 10, 2:31 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>
> Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers.
> And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational.

What I'll never understand is what causes an individual to form such
an utter hatred for another based on what happens on Usenet.

My guess is that you embarrassed him to HIMSELF. Perhaps the realization of
an astonishing short-coming has resulted in his striking out at you,
manifested in his psychotic attacks.

IOW, despite his bombast, inside he's utterly devastated.

Or maybe he's just an common cowardly thug who has a computer and some tech
skills rather than gang colors.

[Jim Logajan]

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have a
> reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.

Some people strap on bombs, walk into crowds of innocent people, and blow
themselves and others into eternal oblivion. Others walk into crowds and
shoot everyone in sight until they themselves are brought down. None of
them have reasons for their actions that general audiences would find
reasonable.

Trolls and suicide bombers are worlds apart in many important ways, but I
think they at least share in common an over-arching ego-centrism.

> I probably yanked his chain somewhere back in the stone age and he
> harbors some deep resentment.

I'd wager that is the case.

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 9:08*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> > What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have a
> > reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.
>
> Some people strap on bombs, walk into crowds of innocent people, and blow
> themselves and others into eternal oblivion. Others walk into crowds and
> shoot everyone in sight until they themselves are brought down. None of
> them have reasons for their actions that general audiences would find
> reasonable.
>
> Trolls and suicide bombers are worlds apart in many important ways, but I
> think they at least share in common an over-arching ego-centrism.
>
> > I probably yanked his chain somewhere back in the stone age and he
> > harbors some deep resentment.
>
> I'd wager that is the case.

I'm leaning heavily at this point toward putting RAP to bed for a
while by not posting here at all. In that way, at least the forger
will be alone using my name and the regulars here can deal with him or
not as they see fit. But at least doing that will free up all the time
this nonsense is taking up both here and with my time and effort.
There's really not all that much of use going on here these days
anyway :-))
In fact Jim, thinking about it now as I'm writing this, I think this
is what I will do. I'll continue to lurk here and see what is
developing if anything, as my effort to discover the source of all
this is progressing, and simply no longer post here as Dudley
Henriques.
So just so someone on the forum knows exactly what I've done, my
compuer's clock is showing 9:19PM EST. Figuring in a few minutes to
finish this, I think I'll stand down from RAP until further notice as
of 9:25EST. No post bearing my name after this time will be
legitimate.
Best to you as always,
Dudley Henriques

[Dave Doe]

In article <15cf22c4-fcbb-4ddc-9c1b-
>, says...
> On Nov 10, 8:16*pm, Dave Doe > wrote:
> > In article <41618695-f7c4-4394-85fd-
> > >, says...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 10, 2:31*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> > > > Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
> > > > > with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
> > > > > done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal
> > > > > resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
> > > > > been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I
> > > > > have.
> >
> > > > I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, but
> > > > probably doesn't realize (or care) that he's already left trails to him
> > > > elsewhere. In fact the more service providers he uses, the easier it gets
> > > > to nail him.
> >
> > > > > As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a
> > > > > close eye on it to see if it expands.
> >
> > > > Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers.
> > > > And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational.
> >
> > > What I'll never understand is what causes an individual to form such
> > > an utter hatred for another based on what happens on Usenet. The
> > > forgeries and replies are so filled with vitriol and personal attack
> > > one has to wonder about the emotional stability involved. I would LOVE
> > > to have the opportunity to go head to head with this character and
> > > have him/her state in public and for his peers to see, EXACTLY what it
> > > is that has caused these cogent personal attacks. Not the expected,
> > > "because you're an idiot" or "because you think your crap stinks
> > > better than everybody else's" type of reply either. THAT kind of reply
> > > says absolutely nothing but that the person posting such replies
> > > doesn't like someone else.
> > > No, I would want a REASON...............and EXACT REASON.
> > > What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have a
> > > reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.
> > > I probably yanked his chain somewhere back in the stone age and he
> > > harbors some deep resentment.
> > > Of course there IS always the chance that this character gets his
> > > kicks out of trying to get someone to go off on him, hence a classic
> > > troll rather than one of the above mentioned.
> > > Anyway, it's a shame that someone with the smarts to go to that much
> > > trouble to aggravate someone couldn't channel those efforts into
> > > useful dialog with people.
> > > As it happens, this same troll has taken on other people here as well,
> > > so I don't really feel "special" :-))
> > > Dudley Henriques
> >
> > Well what I don't get - is why you simply don't just ignore him/her?
> >
> > This is what these sort of folk *do* - and this person is suceeding in
> > baiting you to the extent that you have made this post (amoung others).
> >
> > In short, surely if you just ignore them, bozo bin them - they'll
> > realise you are no fun to 'play' with - and go away.
> >
> > Well that's my theory, and I'm stickin' with it! :)
> >
> > --
> > Duncan.
>
> Ignoring a troll who posts under you using their own name or a
> pseudonym can be ignored. Ignoring someone who posts using your name
> and identity
> is quite another thing.
> Dudley Henriques

I presume you have a list of posts that the imposter has done.

I there anything you can track by? - such as a unique IP?

--
Duncan.

[Dave Doe]

In article <15cf22c4-fcbb-4ddc-9c1b-
>, says...
> On Nov 10, 8:16*pm, Dave Doe > wrote:
> > In article <41618695-f7c4-4394-85fd-
> > >, says...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 10, 2:31*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> > > > Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
> > > > > with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
> > > > > done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal
> > > > > resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
> > > > > been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I
> > > > > have.
> >
> > > > I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, but
> > > > probably doesn't realize (or care) that he's already left trails to him
> > > > elsewhere. In fact the more service providers he uses, the easier it gets
> > > > to nail him.
> >
> > > > > As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a
> > > > > close eye on it to see if it expands.
> >
> > > > Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers.
> > > > And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational.
> >
> > > What I'll never understand is what causes an individual to form such
> > > an utter hatred for another based on what happens on Usenet. The
> > > forgeries and replies are so filled with vitriol and personal attack
> > > one has to wonder about the emotional stability involved. I would LOVE
> > > to have the opportunity to go head to head with this character and
> > > have him/her state in public and for his peers to see, EXACTLY what it
> > > is that has caused these cogent personal attacks. Not the expected,
> > > "because you're an idiot" or "because you think your crap stinks
> > > better than everybody else's" type of reply either. THAT kind of reply
> > > says absolutely nothing but that the person posting such replies
> > > doesn't like someone else.
> > > No, I would want a REASON...............and EXACT REASON.
> > > What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have a
> > > reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.
> > > I probably yanked his chain somewhere back in the stone age and he
> > > harbors some deep resentment.
> > > Of course there IS always the chance that this character gets his
> > > kicks out of trying to get someone to go off on him, hence a classic
> > > troll rather than one of the above mentioned.
> > > Anyway, it's a shame that someone with the smarts to go to that much
> > > trouble to aggravate someone couldn't channel those efforts into
> > > useful dialog with people.
> > > As it happens, this same troll has taken on other people here as well,
> > > so I don't really feel "special" :-))
> > > Dudley Henriques
> >
> > Well what I don't get - is why you simply don't just ignore him/her?
> >
> > This is what these sort of folk *do* - and this person is suceeding in
> > baiting you to the extent that you have made this post (amoung others).
> >
> > In short, surely if you just ignore them, bozo bin them - they'll
> > realise you are no fun to 'play' with - and go away.
> >
> > Well that's my theory, and I'm stickin' with it! :)
> >
> > --
> > Duncan.
>
> Ignoring a troll who posts under you using their own name or a
> pseudonym can be ignored. Ignoring someone who posts using your name
> and identity
> is quite another thing.
> Dudley Henriques

Looking at the headers (I only have a few posts to go by - my reader
crapped out bigtime when I moved it to a new drive)...

you: post on a MAC, use google groups
them: post on hispeed.ch (complaints to )

I assume you've done the obvious (admittedly not likely to have much
luck on a .ch site! :(

--
Duncan.

[george]

On Nov 11, 3:33 pm, Dave Doe > wrote:
> In article <15cf22c4-fcbb-4ddc-9c1b-
> >, says...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 8:16 pm, Dave Doe > wrote:
> > > In article <41618695-f7c4-4394-85fd-
> > > >, says...
>
> > > > On Nov 10, 2:31 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> > > > > Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
> > > > > > with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
> > > > > > done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal
> > > > > > resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
> > > > > > been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I
> > > > > > have.
>
> > > > > I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, but
> > > > > probably doesn't realize (or care) that he's already left trails to him
> > > > > elsewhere. In fact the more service providers he uses, the easier it gets
> > > > > to nail him.
>
> > > > > > As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a
> > > > > > close eye on it to see if it expands.
>
> > > > > Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers.
> > > > > And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational.
>
> > > > What I'll never understand is what causes an individual to form such
> > > > an utter hatred for another based on what happens on Usenet. The
> > > > forgeries and replies are so filled with vitriol and personal attack
> > > > one has to wonder about the emotional stability involved. I would LOVE
> > > > to have the opportunity to go head to head with this character and
> > > > have him/her state in public and for his peers to see, EXACTLY what it
> > > > is that has caused these cogent personal attacks. Not the expected,
> > > > "because you're an idiot" or "because you think your crap stinks
> > > > better than everybody else's" type of reply either. THAT kind of reply
> > > > says absolutely nothing but that the person posting such replies
> > > > doesn't like someone else.
> > > > No, I would want a REASON...............and EXACT REASON.
> > > > What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have a
> > > > reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.
> > > > I probably yanked his chain somewhere back in the stone age and he
> > > > harbors some deep resentment.
> > > > Of course there IS always the chance that this character gets his
> > > > kicks out of trying to get someone to go off on him, hence a classic
> > > > troll rather than one of the above mentioned.
> > > > Anyway, it's a shame that someone with the smarts to go to that much
> > > > trouble to aggravate someone couldn't channel those efforts into
> > > > useful dialog with people.
> > > > As it happens, this same troll has taken on other people here as well,
> > > > so I don't really feel "special" :-))
> > > > Dudley Henriques
>
> > > Well what I don't get - is why you simply don't just ignore him/her?
>
> > > This is what these sort of folk *do* - and this person is suceeding in
> > > baiting you to the extent that you have made this post (amoung others).
>
> > > In short, surely if you just ignore them, bozo bin them - they'll
> > > realise you are no fun to 'play' with - and go away.
>
> > > Well that's my theory, and I'm stickin' with it! :)
>
> > > --
> > > Duncan.
>
> > Ignoring a troll who posts under you using their own name or a
> > pseudonym can be ignored. Ignoring someone who posts using your name
> > and identity
> > is quite another thing.
> > Dudley Henriques
>
> Looking at the headers (I only have a few posts to go by - my reader
> crapped out bigtime when I moved it to a new drive)...
>
> you: post on a MAC, use google groups
> them: post on hispeed.ch (complaints to )
>
> I assume you've done the obvious (admittedly not likely to have much
> luck on a .ch site! :(
>
Another thing that he could do is invoke the (whatever it is wherever
you are) telecommunications Act.
Its against the law to spread false/malicious material through a
Telecommunications system
And those boys can find the perp and prosecute them big time..

[romeomike]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

> So just so someone on the forum knows exactly what I've done, my
> compuer's clock is showing 9:19PM EST. Figuring in a few minutes to
> finish this, I think I'll stand down from RAP until further notice as
> of 9:25EST. No post bearing my name after this time will be
> legitimate.
> Best to you as always,
> Dudley Henriques

It's quite easy to tell the difference between what you write and what
the impostor writes, but I can see your frustration. I wish you the best
and hope the scum bags get their due.

[John E. Carty]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> On Nov 10, 9:08 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>> > What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have a
>> > reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.
>>
>> Some people strap on bombs, walk into crowds of innocent people, and blow
>> themselves and others into eternal oblivion. Others walk into crowds and
>> shoot everyone in sight until they themselves are brought down. None of
>> them have reasons for their actions that general audiences would find
>> reasonable.
>>
>> Trolls and suicide bombers are worlds apart in many important ways, but I
>> think they at least share in common an over-arching ego-centrism.
>>
>> > I probably yanked his chain somewhere back in the stone age and he
>> > harbors some deep resentment.
>>
>> I'd wager that is the case.
>
> I'm leaning heavily at this point toward putting RAP to bed for a
> while by not posting here at all. In that way, at least the forger
> will be alone using my name and the regulars here can deal with him or
> not as they see fit. But at least doing that will free up all the time
> this nonsense is taking up both here and with my time and effort.
> There's really not all that much of use going on here these days
> anyway :-))
> In fact Jim, thinking about it now as I'm writing this, I think this
> is what I will do. I'll continue to lurk here and see what is
> developing if anything, as my effort to discover the source of all
> this is progressing, and simply no longer post here as Dudley
> Henriques.
> So just so someone on the forum knows exactly what I've done, my
> compuer's clock is showing 9:19PM EST. Figuring in a few minutes to
> finish this, I think I'll stand down from RAP until further notice as
> of 9:25EST. No post bearing my name after this time will be
> legitimate.
> Best to you as always,
> Dudley Henriques

Sorry to here this Dudley as I've always enjoyed your postings, though I can
certainly understand why you're taking this action. Look forward to seeing
you here in the future :-)

[Jim Logajan]

Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> Figuring in a few minutes to
> finish this, I think I'll stand down from RAP until further notice as
> of 9:25EST. No post bearing my name after this time will be
> legitimate.

Delta Hotel, roger leaving Usenet airspace. Will look for you in other comm
airspaces.

[a[_3_]]

On Nov 10, 9:21*pm, Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> On Nov 10, 9:08*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dudley Henriques > wrote:
> > > What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have a
> > > reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.
>
> > Some people strap on bombs, walk into crowds of innocent people, and blow
> > themselves and others into eternal oblivion. Others walk into crowds and
> > shoot everyone in sight until they themselves are brought down. None of
> > them have reasons for their actions that general audiences would find
> > reasonable.
>
> > Trolls and suicide bombers are worlds apart in many important ways, but I
> > think they at least share in common an over-arching ego-centrism.
>
> > > I probably yanked his chain somewhere back in the stone age and he
> > > harbors some deep resentment.
>
> > I'd wager that is the case.
>
> I'm leaning heavily at this point toward putting RAP to bed for a
> while by not posting here at all. In that way, at least the forger
> will be alone using my name and the regulars here can deal with him or
> not as they see fit. But at least doing that will free up all the time
> this nonsense is taking up both here and with my time and effort.
> There's really not all that much of use going on here these days
> anyway :-))
> In fact Jim, thinking about it now as I'm writing this, I think this
> is what I will do. I'll continue to lurk here and see what is
> developing if anything, as my effort to discover the source of all
> this is progressing, and simply no longer post here as Dudley
> Henriques.
> So just so someone on the forum knows exactly what I've done, my
> compuer's clock is showing 9:19PM EST. Figuring in a few minutes to
> finish this, I think I'll stand down from RAP until further notice as
> of 9:25EST. No post bearing my name after this time will be
> legitimate.
> Best to you as always,
> Dudley Henriques

The unintended efforts of Mx, and the intended ones of bertie et al
drove rap to its knees. The anal sphincters including bloss in their
efforts to make it a personal insultground are assuring it will become
less useful to real pilots. They deserve our scorn, of course, but in
a way our sympathy too. Their postings are evidence they lead
pathetic lives.

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:44:53 -0800 (PST), a > wrote in
>:

> ... Their postings are evidence they lead
> pathetic lives.

I often think that about the significance of my
own posts. :o(

Marty
--
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See <http://www.big-8.org> for info on how to add or remove newsgroups.

[Rockie]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:00:35 -0500, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:37:06 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> Just seen this stuff from a x-post. The server you refer to below
>> <hispeed.ch> is NOT in China. It's a Swiss newsserver.
>>
>> (China = CN, Swiss = CH).
>>
>> HTH
>
> Correcto, h, CN = ChiNk, CH = CHeese. lol

Another invertebrate with hair. Makes me sick, I'm going to go and ****
my dog.
--
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Admin, Technical and Billing Contact: Annette Freeman (DYK7B)
Pirate Believer Productions P.O.Box 4481 Parker, CO 80134
Phone: (303)-549-7031

[Martin Hotze[_3_]]

Dave Doe schrieb:
> I assume you've done the obvious (admittedly not likely to have much
> luck on a .ch site! :(

What makes you believe that people in Switzerland don't take spam
complaints serious?

#m

[Martin Hotze[_3_]]

John E. Carty schrieb:
> Sorry to here this Dudley as I've always enjoyed your postings, though I can
> certainly understand why you're taking this action. Look forward to seeing
> you here in the future :-)

well, free usenet servers or services (yes, google-groups too) don't do
the best to usenet.

#m

[John Smith]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
....
> I have some fairly heavy police and legal
> resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
> been made aware of what's happening.

Obviously you don't understand that bragging like this is exactly what
makes you a rewarding target. You take yourself way too seriously.

BTW, replying to huge posts without even bothering to sensibly trim the
quotes is considered spam by many people, too.

[Dave Doe]

In article >, says...
> Dave Doe schrieb:
> > I assume you've done the obvious (admittedly not likely to have much
> > luck on a .ch site! :(
>
> What makes you believe that people in Switzerland don't take spam
> complaints serious?

Oh I'm sure the people in Switzerland do.

But I doubt whether many complaints to any usenet provider get much
attention - I've sent abuse complaints to altopia.com (USA?) and
eathlink.net - received nothing more than automated replies.

One complaint sent to Google got more than an automated reply (or is
it?)...
==================
Hi,

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The Google Groups account
you reported for Usenet abuse will be suspended soon. We appreciate your
assistance in keeping Google Groups as abuse-free as possible.

Sincerely,

The Google Groups Team
==================

but the posts continued.

--
Duncan.

[Dave Doe]

In article >,
says...
> In article >, says...
> > Dave Doe schrieb:
> > > I assume you've done the obvious (admittedly not likely to have much
> > > luck on a .ch site! :(
> >
> > What makes you believe that people in Switzerland don't take spam
> > complaints serious?
>
> Oh I'm sure the people in Switzerland do.
>
> But I doubt whether many complaints to any usenet provider get much
> attention - I've sent abuse complaints to altopia.com (USA?) and
> eathlink.net - received nothing more than automated replies.
>
> One complaint sent to Google got more than an automated reply (or is
> it?)...
> ==================
> Hi,
>
> Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The Google Groups account
> you reported for Usenet abuse will be suspended soon. We appreciate your
> assistance in keeping Google Groups as abuse-free as possible.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Google Groups Team
> ==================
>
> but the posts continued.

And I see, scrolling through my Windows Search (email) for 'abuse' -
that I've sent several other complaints too - none (other than the
google one above) got more than automated replies - many have no replies
at all.

So while I assume Dudley (and maybe others too) have sent a complaint
in, I would not ask Dudley to hold his breath until the spammer stops.

--
Duncan.

[Franklin[_17_]]

Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:08:08 -0600, Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>> Dudley Henriques > wrote:
>>> What's interesting about that is that the troll really doesn't have
>>> a reason that would be reasonable to a general audience.
>>
>> Some people strap on bombs, walk into crowds of innocent people, and
>> blow themselves and others into eternal oblivion. Others walk into
>> crowds and shoot everyone in sight until they themselves are brought
>> down. None of them have reasons for their actions that general
>> audiences would find reasonable.
>>
>> Trolls and suicide bombers are worlds apart in many important ways,
>> but I think they at least share in common an over-arching
>> ego-centrism.
>
> I wear Vasque Sundowners most of the time. Look them up. You couldn't
> afford them along side your our taxpayer funded video games because
> even so called enlightened societal structures know useless assholes
> like you don't deserve that standard of living. Fact is, you own no
> such thing for two reasons. You're a bloodsucker who doesn't rate
> them of course, and you don't spend enough time standing upright to
> warrant owning shoes in the first place.
>
> It's obvious someone struck a nerve, you actually do realize how much
> alike you and Henriques are, and you're lying your ass off trying to
> win back a bit of the dignity you never had.
>
> Sorry it didn't work out. ;)

Hello Jeffery, are you sure you didn't get fooled into buying fake
Vasque Sundowners? You're a bit prone to getting fooled. You wouldn't
know an MTM wrist watch if it hit you in the face despite your claims to
recognize one. Do you remember you posted this under the name David W.

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/86855d141fcc78e1>

It wasn't an MTM in the photo. It was a Porsche Orfina L5100.

MTMs have too many awkward gadgets for field use (such as remote
charging and tritium lume hands). You seem to love MTMs so much you
were posting to A.C.F. about them when you were calling yourself Krazee
Brenda: "I didn't buy this MTM on my wrist at K-Mart". LOL

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/62494d7079f87d63>

--
Small sample of Bear Bottoms's socks:
Jeffrey Bloss, Maxwell, David W, Ari, etc

[XXXXX]

On Nov 10, 9:04*pm, "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 10, 2:31 pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers..
> > And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational.
>
> What I'll never understand is what causes an individual to form such
> an utter hatred for another based on what happens on Usenet.
>
> My guess is that you embarrassed him to HIMSELF. Perhaps the realization of
> an astonishing short-coming has resulted in his striking out at you,
> manifested in his psychotic attacks.
>
> IOW, despite his bombast, inside he's utterly devastated.
>
> Or maybe he's just an common cowardly thug who has a computer and some tech
> skills rather than *gang colors.

Or maybe he just thinks it's funny how people like you get all worked
up over posts on an internet forum.

[Franklin[_18_]]

Dudley Henriques wrote:

> Assuming I'll be separating the troll answers to this post from the
> useful information, I need an answer to a Usenet question if anyone
> wants to take a moment to try and help with a bad situation. To the
> regulars, bear with me on this as I need this answer to fit some
> missing pieces together.
>
> I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using
> my name to post here on this forum. It's no big deal really as I'm
> sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts
> and the forgeries.
>
> Fortunately I have a few international contacts who are looking into
> it overseas for me. But discovering the culprit isn't my aim here
> although that might be forthcoming with a bit of luck.
> What's concerning me isn't the copied and pasted in text that has been
> appearing here over my name, as anyone can do that, but rather how
> someone can access the data and path necessary to have a post appear
> with my name appearing as the poster in the thread hierarchy to the
> point where someone can actually see my name as the poster and click
> on the profile link to see my regular profile. For all practical
> purposes, this would appear to be a post from me personally and I need
> to find out how this person is accomplishing this.
>
> For you Usenet gurus out there who might want to try and help with
> this; I use Google groups for Usenet posting since I don't post all
> that much any longer.
>
> An example of the type of post I'm referring to where my name has been
> forged can be found in the thread called [Complaint sent to x-
> privat.org]
>
> Checking that thread you will find a post supposedly from me, bearing
> my name as the poster under a post from one of the suspect posts
> showing the name of Ron May. On my Google threads this post shows as
> number 8.Assuming I have no idea how this post appeared and had
> nothing to do with it's being posted, can someone explain exactly how
> a person can access this forum having my name and profile appear as
> though the post came from me?
>
> I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers
> using my name and have taken the steps necessary along those lines,
> but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
> through links to my profile.
>
> Is there any way at all this can be stopped by notifying Google
> Groups? Is this even a Google Groups problem?
>
> Any and all input (expected trolls excepted of course :-) appreciated.
> Thanks, an I'm very sorry for having to take up the band width to
> address these issues.
>
> Perhaps one of these days we can get back to talking flying again :-)
> Dudley Henriques

It's not really a Google Groups problem. The FROM header can be set to
almost anything you like.

Most headers can be customized although one or two types of headers are
much harder.

In an open forum there is always the possibility of noise. Sometimes
the noise level gets very high. That's how it is.

Most news server admins will accept a certain level of trolling but
completely mimicing another person's email address in the FROM header is
usually seen as a serious violation of the TOS/AUP.



The posters in alt.privacy.anon-server can give you more info. The sock
posts there too and you will only detect him by how he writes. The good
news is that if he is identified then he's unlikely to win many
popularity contests held by other posters becuase he doesn't exactly
have a fan club. See this:

Here's a long thread from Feb last year in which the our puppet master
(it's probably a team effort so let's call them "Bear Bottoms" for
short) is using several nyms (such as Ari, Krazee Brenda and others).

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_frm/thread/ea16
5ed4464fe55e/e89f200d95b2c40> or <http://preview.tinyurl.com/yf8snan>

[Martin Hotze[_3_]]

XXXXX schrieb:

> Or maybe he just thinks it's funny how people like you get all worked
> up over posts on an internet forum.

*baahh* silly anonymous google-groups users mean that they are on a
forum. All they see is a fancy blinky webinterface.

google-groups has not really done any good to usenet.

#m

[Franklin[_18_]]

Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:45:32 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
>> with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
>> done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and
>> legal resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland
>> that have been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what
>> data I have.
>
> *You* gave them data? WTF, are they too stupid to do their own
> lookups? Good gruppe you got there, D00ds.
>
> Bet they are on Macs too. lol
>
>> As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping
>> a close eye on it to see if it expands. Dudley
>
> It's gone far enough. Everyone knows that international consequences
> of having the great D00dz Henriquers forged would be devastating,
> world ending, think of it.
>
> lol
>
> I see that you are still the same fool that you were a decade or so
> ago, nothing ever changes does it, you ignorant, fascist, right-wing
> fool?
>
> What are you, 99 years old now and still on track to be fascist net
> cop? Are you a rent-a-pig now waiting for your day in the sun to be a
> real pig slopping at the trough in the sun behind the barn?

Your post needs to be vicious in order to provoke a response but name-
calling like that is lower than whale ****.

Dud realizes no one believes a word of what you say, so his reply
becomes pointless. As for this reply, well, I just like to see your
trolls attempts get thwarted.

BTW good luck with the radio controlled aircraft.

<http://tinyurl.com/yl2w55a> OR
<http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.models.radio-
control.air/msg/5842c18a6139ddbe>

[Franklin[_18_]]

hummingbird wrote:

> 'Franklin' wrote thus:
>
>>MTMs have too many awkward gadgets for field use (such as remote
>>charging and tritium lume hands). You seem to love MTMs so much you
>>were posting to A.C.F. about them when you were calling yourself Krazee
>>Brenda: "I didn't buy this MTM on my wrist at K-Mart". LOL
>>
>><http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/62494d7079f87d63>
>
> That's a link to a post of yours dated Mar/2008, Franklin, wherein
> MTMs are not even mentioned. Duh!
>
> Is that the only way you can get other people to read your drivel
> ...post links to them, claiming they were posted by others in the
> hope that people will click the link and read what you wrote 18
> months later?

Immediately before my reply Krazee Brenda says:

"I didn't buy this MTM on my wrist at K-Mart"

Brenda dear, do you want to bet? LOL