I am in the market for a new glider again

[glider25]

Hi guys,

I am in the market for a new glider again. I am currently flying a
Genesis 2 (2013) with a partner. I am looking for a glider for myself
to start competing a little more. I am looking at the following
gliders and would appreciate some input:

PIK20D - wing mold profile problem
Ventus A and B - I easily fit in the A 5'10 150lbs - may not be in
price range
ASW 20 - not much wrong but still expensive
DG 300 - standard ship but not bad performance

I am not a high time pilot but have 700 hrs in a hang glider, 600 hrs
in private plane (complex single) and about 130 in a glider. I have
quite a few flights over 300k one flight of 500k in the Genesis.

Jeff Runciman

[Tim Taylor]

On Nov 11, 1:09*pm, glider25 > wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I am in the market for a new glider again. *I am currently flying a
> Genesis 2 (2013) with a partner. *I am looking for a glider for myself
> to start competing a little more. *I am looking at the following
> gliders and would appreciate some input:
>
> PIK20D - wing mold profile problem
> Ventus A and B - I easily fit in the A 5'10 150lbs - may not be in
> price range
> ASW 20 - not much wrong but still expensive
> DG 300 - standard ship but not bad performance
>
> I am not a high time pilot but have 700 hrs in a hang glider, 600 hrs
> in private plane (complex single) and about 130 in a glider. *I have
> quite a few flights over 300k one flight of 500k in the Genesis.
>
> Jeff Runciman

For the $$ the best price/performance/handling is the LS-3. Talk to
JJ he has one for sale.

The ASW 20 is great if modified with good winglets, same for the
Ventus A
and B. If most of your flying will be dry or ridges go with the ASW
20, if western running with water the Ventus is a good choice.

The PIK is a good ship but different and will be harder to sell and
the wing suffers in wet conditions.

The DG 300 is nice but does not perform as well as the LS-4 and Discus
and usually is higher in price than the performance would suggest for
racing.

My $0.02

[T8]

On Nov 11, 3:09*pm, glider25 > wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I am in the market for a new glider again. *I am currently flying a
> Genesis 2 (2013) with a partner. *I am looking for a glider for myself
> to start competing a little more. *I am looking at the following
> gliders and would appreciate some input:
>
> PIK20D - wing mold profile problem
> Ventus A and B - I easily fit in the A 5'10 150lbs - may not be in
> price range
> ASW 20 - not much wrong but still expensive
> DG 300 - standard ship but not bad performance
>
> I am not a high time pilot but have 700 hrs in a hang glider, 600 hrs
> in private plane (complex single) and about 130 in a glider. *I have
> quite a few flights over 300k one flight of 500k in the Genesis.
>
> Jeff Runciman

Check out asw-20 owners yahoo group for info on '20s. A community of
several hundred nice, enthusiastic, mostly knowledgeable people and
one old sorehead (who is less enthusiastic, but still knowledgeable).

Hard to provide specific input in response to very general inquiry.

DG, PIK suitable for handicap comps. Ventus and 20 can be competitive
in 15m at regional level. Ventus and 20 are very different despite
similar performance. You should understand differences before you
buy! Advance warning... you'll run into a certain "Ford vs. Chevy"
bias here. For any glider... and especially an old glider...
understand what support is available (and what isn't) if/when you
need help.

-Evan Ludeman / T8 (ASW-20B)

[brianDG303[_2_]]

On Nov 11, 1:11*pm, T8 > wrote:
> On Nov 11, 3:09*pm, glider25 > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi guys,
>
> > I am in the market for a new glider again. *I am currently flying a
> > Genesis 2 (2013) with a partner. *I am looking for a glider for myself
> > to start competing a little more. *I am looking at the following
> > gliders and would appreciate some input:
>
> > PIK20D - wing mold profile problem
> > Ventus A and B - I easily fit in the A 5'10 150lbs - may not be in
> > price range
> > ASW 20 - not much wrong but still expensive
> > DG 300 - standard ship but not bad performance
>
> > I am not a high time pilot but have 700 hrs in a hang glider, 600 hrs
> > in private plane (complex single) and about 130 in a glider. *I have
> > quite a few flights over 300k one flight of 500k in the Genesis.
>
> > Jeff Runciman
>
> Check out asw-20 owners yahoo group for info on '20s. *A community of
> several hundred nice, enthusiastic, mostly knowledgeable people and
> one old sorehead (who is less enthusiastic, but still knowledgeable).
>
> Hard to provide specific input in response to very general inquiry.
>
> DG, PIK suitable for handicap comps. *Ventus and 20 can be competitive
> in 15m at regional level. *Ventus and 20 are very different despite
> similar performance. *You should understand differences before you
> buy! *Advance warning... you'll run into a certain "Ford vs. Chevy"
> bias here. *For any glider... and especially an old glider...
> understand what support is available (and what isn't) *if/when you
> need help.
>
> -Evan Ludeman / T8 (ASW-20B)

I fly the DG300, and I think I can give you an unbiased report. They
are said by everyone to not win contests, and I have no reason not to
believe that is true. They are VERY comfortable, very easy to fly,
hate to spin, don't much like to stall either, just a really fun and
easy ship. So, if it is winning you are after, I expect you will look
to other gliders. But if fun and safe and easy to fly are more
important keep it on the list.

Safe = predictable, easy stall when they stall, can take off with the
canopy AND the spoilers unlocked without a problem, auto hook-ups.

Brian

[PCool]

Me too, I love the DG300. We have some of them at the club, and Discus and
Discus2. I chose to fly the club class with the dg300.
It is much more comfortable than the discus, it has the same performance in
glide than a discus , granted. But it does NOT climb like a discus in weak
thermals. Discus is like an automatic gear car. DG300 is manual gear. Over
Discus, dg300 has 2 advantages: 1- an higher wheel if you do an outlanding.
2- a 25kmh slower speed for landing.
For the same price or something similar, of course it's better to get a
discus, but if you get a cheap DG300 you are going to get a nice machine!

paolo

"brianDG303" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
On Nov 11, 1:11 pm, T8 > wrote:
> On Nov 11, 3:09 pm, glider25 > wrote:
>
>
>

I fly the DG300, and I think I can give you an unbiased report. They
are said by everyone to not win contests, and I have no reason not to
believe that is true. They are VERY comfortable, very easy to fly,
hate to spin, don't much like to stall either, just a really fun and
easy ship. So, if it is winning you are after, I expect you will look
to other gliders. But if fun and safe and easy to fly are more
important keep it on the list.

Safe = predictable, easy stall when they stall, can take off with the
canopy AND the spoilers unlocked without a problem, auto hook-ups.

Brian

[Uncle Fuzzy]

On Nov 11, 12:09*pm, glider25 > wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I am in the market for a new glider again. *I am currently flying a
> Genesis 2 (2013) with a partner. *I am looking for a glider for myself
> to start competing a little more. *I am looking at the following
> gliders and would appreciate some input:
>
> PIK20D - wing mold profile problem
> Ventus A and B - I easily fit in the A 5'10 150lbs - may not be in
> price range
> ASW 20 - not much wrong but still expensive
> DG 300 - standard ship but not bad performance
>
> I am not a high time pilot but have 700 hrs in a hang glider, 600 hrs
> in private plane (complex single) and about 130 in a glider. *I have
> quite a few flights over 300k one flight of 500k in the Genesis.
>
> Jeff Runciman

The G104 Speed Astir II offers very good performance for the dollar.
However, I think you'd be taking quite a step backward in handling and
performance after the Genesis II.

[[email protected]]

Hello Jeff,

how flies de genesis 2 and how many cost one. Did you sale your genesis 2 ? I'm a glider pilot and instructor and actually I fly with a Swift light PAS from the firm Aériane in Belgium.
Bye
Christian

Le mercredi 11 novembre 2009 21:09:22 UTC+1, glider25 a écrit*:
> Hi guys,
>
> I am in the market for a new glider again. I am currently flying a
> Genesis 2 (2013) with a partner. I am looking for a glider for myself
> to start competing a little more. I am looking at the following
> gliders and would appreciate some input:
>
> PIK20D - wing mold profile problem
> Ventus A and B - I easily fit in the A 5'10 150lbs - may not be in
> price range
> ASW 20 - not much wrong but still expensive
> DG 300 - standard ship but not bad performance
>
> I am not a high time pilot but have 700 hrs in a hang glider, 600 hrs
> in private plane (complex single) and about 130 in a glider. I have
> quite a few flights over 300k one flight of 500k in the Genesis.
>
> Jeff Runciman

[ND]

On Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:09:22 PM UTC-5, glider25 wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I am in the market for a new glider again. I am currently flying a
> Genesis 2 (2013) with a partner. I am looking for a glider for myself
> to start competing a little more. I am looking at the following
> gliders and would appreciate some input:
>
> PIK20D - wing mold profile problem
> Ventus A and B - I easily fit in the A 5'10 150lbs - may not be in
> price range
> ASW 20 - not much wrong but still expensive
> DG 300 - standard ship but not bad performance
>
> I am not a high time pilot but have 700 hrs in a hang glider, 600 hrs
> in private plane (complex single) and about 130 in a glider. I have
> quite a few flights over 300k one flight of 500k in the Genesis.
>
> Jeff Runciman

why not get a stanard cirrus, libelle, asw 19, LS-1 or something like that and fly in US club. its a blast, most of those gliders you can have a ton of fun in both on any given saturday or at a national contest, and the price is right.

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:36:23 -0800, ND wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:09:22 PM UTC-5, glider25 wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I am in the market for a new glider again. I am currently flying a
>> Genesis 2 (2013) with a partner. I am looking for a glider for myself
>> to start competing a little more. I am looking at the following
>> gliders and would appreciate some input:
>>
>> PIK20D - wing mold profile problem Ventus A and B - I easily fit in the
>> A 5'10 150lbs - may not be in price range ASW 20 - not much wrong but
>> still expensive DG 300 - standard ship but not bad performance
>>
>> I am not a high time pilot but have 700 hrs in a hang glider, 600 hrs
>> in private plane (complex single) and about 130 in a glider. I have
>> quite a few flights over 300k one flight of 500k in the Genesis.
>>
>> Jeff Runciman
>
> why not get a stanard cirrus, libelle, asw 19, LS-1 or something like
> that and fly in US club. its a blast, most of those gliders you can have
> a ton of fun in both on any given saturday or at a national contest, and
> the price is right.

You're a bit late with that advice, mate!

The message you've replied to was posted in 2009.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[[email protected]]

Den onsdag 11 november 2009 kl. 21:09:22 UTC+1 skrev glider25:
> Hi guys,
>
> I am in the market for a new glider again. I am currently flying a
> Genesis 2 (2013) with a partner. I am looking for a glider for myself
> to start competing a little more. I am looking at the following
> gliders and would appreciate some input:
>
> PIK20D - wing mold profile problem
> Ventus A and B - I easily fit in the A 5'10 150lbs - may not be in
> price range
> ASW 20 - not much wrong but still expensive
> DG 300 - standard ship but not bad performance
>
> I am not a high time pilot but have 700 hrs in a hang glider, 600 hrs
> in private plane (complex single) and about 130 in a glider. I have
> quite a few flights over 300k one flight of 500k in the Genesis.
>
> Jeff Runciman