Real glider or RC model?

[tienshanman]

Those crafty Germans in their ginger bread, garden gnome workshops are building model sailplanes that blur the distinction between the real thing and RC models. Check this out:

http://www.manfred-schadl.de/ASW15b%20gr%20a.jpg

I was thinking of getting one of these for my 2 year old and launching his flying career early.....

[JJ Sinclair]

That looks to be half scale, 25' wing span? Nice!
JJ

tienshanman wrote:
> Those crafty Germans in their ginger bread, garden gnome workshops are
> building model sailplanes that blur the distinction between the real
> thing and RC models. Check this out:
>
> http://www.manfred-schadl.de/ASW15b%20gr%20a.jpg
>
> I was thinking of getting one of these for my 2 year old and launching
> his flying career early.....
>
>
>
>
> --
> tienshanman

[Andy[_10_]]

On Jan 15, 5:31*am, JJ Sinclair > wrote:
> That looks to be half scale, 25' wing span? Nice!
> JJ
>
>
>
> tienshanman wrote:
> > Those crafty Germans in their ginger bread, garden gnome workshops are
> > building model sailplanes that blur the distinction between the real
> > thing and RC models. Check this out:
>
> >http://www.manfred-schadl.de/ASW15b%20gr%20a.jpg
>
> > I was thinking of getting one of these for my 2 year old and launching
> > his flying career early.....
>
> > --
> > tienshanman

Where do they find the "little people" to fly them?

I know a guy who is working on a video downlink from one of these so
you can pretend you're actually in the cockpit.

Impressive.

9B

[Marian Aldenhövel[_2_]]

Hi,

> I know a guy who is working on a video downlink from one of these so
> you can pretend you're actually in the cockpit.

Available off the shelf:

http://www.tomica.de/cgi-bin/cgi_navigator.pl?page=acme2010&language=eng&ID=00000000003080891263581303&src=acme2010&time=&lfdnr=89&undefined

Never seen one, just stumbled on the site when looking for something
completely different.

Ciao, MM

[tstock]

Honestly I never understood why anyone would do this. R/C Modelers
always claim they "can't afford to fly the real thing" so they settle
for models, but they spend more in modeling than it costs to fly real
gliders.

I spent about $3000.00 flying r/c helicopters... but it only cost me
$2500.00 to learn to fly real gliders, and my check ride should be any
time now :) And I bet that 1/2 scale glider costs more than a Ka6.

-tom

[Paul Remde]

Hi Tom,

While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. I think
they enjoy building the models. If I had time I would enjoy building glider
models when I can't be flying. We have long months of poor soaring weather
here in MN this time of year. Just a thought.

Paul Remde

"tstock" > wrote in message
...
> Honestly I never understood why anyone would do this. R/C Modelers
> always claim they "can't afford to fly the real thing" so they settle
> for models, but they spend more in modeling than it costs to fly real
> gliders.
>
> I spent about $3000.00 flying r/c helicopters... but it only cost me
> $2500.00 to learn to fly real gliders, and my check ride should be any
> time now :) And I bet that 1/2 scale glider costs more than a Ka6.
>
> -tom
>
>

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:49:40 +0100, Marian Aldenhövel wrote:

> Hi,
>
>> I know a guy who is working on a video downlink from one of these so
>> you can pretend you're actually in the cockpit.
>
> Available off the shelf:
>
> http://www.tomica.de/cgi-bin/cgi_navigator.pl?
page=acme2010&language=eng&ID=00000000003080891263581303&src=acme2010&time=&lfdnr=89&undefined
>
> Never seen one, just stumbled on the site when looking for something
> completely different.
>
They're only VGA (640x480) resolution and a tiny plastic lens. The units
sold by DogCam have somewhat higher resolution and (probably) better
lenses. There's a good video on their website, shot on the Nurburgring
from a Caterham 7 as it blows smoke in a Porches face.

http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/

However, one of the cuter toys that used to be available (and maybe still
is) was an Italian made RC pilot. The receiver and servos were in the
pilot figure, which had articulated arms and legs. Great for the scale
guys: you build a fully furnished cockpit with working stick, rudder, etc
and strap the 'pilot' in when you want to fly it. I can see this system
flying an unflapped glider, but not how it could operate flaps and
release. IIRC part of strapping it in involved attaching hands and feet
to the controls.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:19:38 -0600, Paul Remde wrote:

> While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't
> think lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do
> it. I think they enjoy building the models. If I had time I would
> enjoy building glider models when I can't be flying. We have long
> months of poor soaring weather here in MN this time of year. Just a
> thought.
>
I'll buy that. I used to fly a lot of Free Flight, F1A towline glider,
and always[1] designed and built my own models. As Paul says, the
satisfaction from winning or placing well in a comp with your own design
model is far ahead of flying a bought one.

[1] With one exception: my last team place was flown with a bought M&K
model, but only because the other team members insisted. They told me I
needed a bunt model and that was the only way I could get one and be
familiar with it before the event.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[db_sonic]

On Jan 15, 11:19*am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
> lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
> they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
> models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
> here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.
>
> Paul Remde

Agree with Paul here on why people do this. There is a lot of
satisfaction in starting with just some basic components and building
something that looks fantastic and flies, in a lot of cases, quite
well. And the flying itself is extremely challenging. As challenging
as you want to make it where you can make planes do things full size
can only dream of. Check this **** out. One of my buddies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCZcZEi8rI

[Richard[_9_]]

On Jan 15, 12:19*pm, db_sonic > wrote:
> On Jan 15, 11:19*am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>
> > Hi Tom,
>
> > While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
> > lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
> > they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
> > models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
> > here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.
>
> > Paul Remde
>
> Agree with Paul here on why people do this. *There is a lot of
> satisfaction in starting with just some basic components and building
> something that looks fantastic and flies, in a lot of cases, quite
> well. *And the flying itself is extremely challenging. *As challenging
> as you want to make it where you can make planes do things full size
> can only dream of. *Check this **** out. *One of my buddies.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCZcZEi8rI

DG Airparts holds a contest every summer in Montague for RC Gliders,
Siskiyou County Airport. Many 50 and 100k model flights.

http://www.xcsoaring.com/index.htm

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Doug Hoffman[_3_]]

On Jan 15, 2:19*pm, "Paul Remde" > wrote:

> While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
> lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
> they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
> models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
> here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.

I agree. I built and flew R/C gliders prior to trying "full scale".
I built from plans, cutting my own foam cores and then vacuum bagging
with fiberglass and carbon fiber. A very satisfying at home workshop
activity. Then seeing your "creation" fly is quite a thrill
(especially if it flies well). Some day I will likely return to R/C.
But for now full scale is just too much of a kick to give up. ;-)

Btw, the toughest part for me in transitioning from R/C to full scale
was learning how to use my feet. Feet aren't required for R/C. For
related reasons, I refuse to use a PC glider flight simulator without
foot pedals. Otherwise one can develop unsafe habits.

Regards,

-Doug

[n7ly]

On Jan 15, 5:08*pm, Doug Hoffman > wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2:19*pm, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>
> > While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
> > lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
> > they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
> > models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
> > here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.
>
> I agree. *I built and flew R/C gliders prior to trying "full scale".


40 some years ago I had the same experience with a friend. He was an
excellent RC pilot. I was an power CFI. I honestly believe that if the
rudder had been on his left thumb he would have needed no dual at all.
So we swapped. I gave him free dual and he let me use his pattern RC
plane to learn on. It was fun all around. Didn't break anything
either. Dennis B btw, I never did get real good with my left
thumb.


> I built from plans, cutting my own foam cores and then vacuum bagging
> with fiberglass and carbon fiber. *A very satisfying at home workshop
> activity. *Then seeing your "creation" fly is quite a thrill
> (especially if it flies well). *Some day I will likely return to R/C.
> But for now full scale is just too much of a kick to give up. *;-)
>
> Btw, the toughest part for me in transitioning from R/C to full scale
> was learning how to use my feet. *Feet aren't required for R/C. *For
> related reasons, I refuse to use a PC glider flight simulator without
> foot pedals. *Otherwise one can develop unsafe habits.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Doug

[Adam]

On Jan 15, 1:08*pm, tstock > wrote:
> Honestly I never understood why anyone would do this. *R/C Modelers
> always claim they "can't afford to fly the real thing" so they settle
> for models, but they spend more in modeling than it costs to fly real
> gliders.
>
> I spent about $3000.00 flying r/c helicopters... but it only cost me
> $2500.00 to learn to fly real gliders, and my check ride should be any
> time now :) And I bet that 1/2 scale glider costs more than a Ka6.
>
> -tom

I do both and can attest they both have their place.

Big scale sailplanes are very social for one. They demand spotters,
tow pilots, and pilots all working together.

I have offered a r/c buddy a sailplane ride numerous times and have
made the argument that it is cheaper than flying his 1/4 to 1/2 scale
models. However he refuses to even go because he knows he will love it
but also realizes he does not possess the skill set to make a good
pilot.

/Adam
(1/4 scale Ka-8 and a 1/4 scale CAP on the building board, Jantar in
the barn)

[db_sonic]

On Jan 15, 1:27*pm, Richard > wrote:
> On Jan 15, 12:19*pm, db_sonic > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 11:19*am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>
> > > Hi Tom,
>
> > > While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
> > > lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
> > > they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
> > > models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
> > > here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.
>
> > > Paul Remde
>
> > Agree with Paul here on why people do this. *There is a lot of
> > satisfaction in starting with just some basic components and building
> > something that looks fantastic and flies, in a lot of cases, quite
> > well. *And the flying itself is extremely challenging. *As challenging
> > as you want to make it where you can make planes do things full size
> > can only dream of. *Check this **** out. *One of my buddies.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCZcZEi8rI
>
> DG Airparts holds a contest every summer in Montague for RC Gliders,
> Siskiyou County Airport. *Many 50 and 100k model flights.
>
> http://www.xcsoaring.com/index.htm
>
> Richardwww.craggyaero.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Richard, I attended the first one Dean held back in 2003? I think
it was, and we probably met.
I always meant to go back and do both full size and model aerotow
there at Montague.
Good to hear they are still holding the contest. I'll have to see if
I can finish that EMS DG808.

Darren

[SoaringXCellence]

On Jan 15, 6:37*pm, db_sonic > wrote:
> On Jan 15, 1:27*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 12:19*pm, db_sonic > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 15, 11:19*am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>
> > > > Hi Tom,
>
> > > > While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
> > > > lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
> > > > they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
> > > > models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
> > > > here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.
>
> > > > Paul Remde
>
> > > Agree with Paul here on why people do this. *There is a lot of
> > > satisfaction in starting with just some basic components and building
> > > something that looks fantastic and flies, in a lot of cases, quite
> > > well. *And the flying itself is extremely challenging. *As challenging
> > > as you want to make it where you can make planes do things full size
> > > can only dream of. *Check this **** out. *One of my buddies.
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCZcZEi8rI
>
> > DG Airparts holds a contest every summer in Montague for RC Gliders,
> > Siskiyou County Airport. *Many 50 and 100k model flights.
>
> >http://www.xcsoaring.com/index.htm
>
> > Richardwww.craggyaero.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hi Richard, I attended the first one Dean held back in 2003? I think
> it was, and we probably met.
> I always meant to go back and do both full size and model aerotow
> there at Montague.
> Good to hear they are still holding the contest. *I'll have to see if
> I can finish that EMS DG808.
>
> Darren- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The first XC Soaring contest at Montague was 1998 and has been growing
ever since. I was one of the 100K R/C pilots. Over the years the
emphasis has moved from distance to speed. Just like in the full-
scale world. I've had many flights over 5 hours with my XC racer, but
now that speed is the task I expect that most flights will be under 1
hour on task for the 15-25 miles course.

Check out www.xcsoaring.com for the history and retails.

[SoaringXCellence]

On Jan 15, 10:11*pm, SoaringXCellence > wrote:
> On Jan 15, 6:37*pm, db_sonic > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 1:27*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 15, 12:19*pm, db_sonic > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 15, 11:19*am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi Tom,
>
> > > > > While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
> > > > > lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
> > > > > they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
> > > > > models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
> > > > > here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.
>
> > > > > Paul Remde
>
> > > > Agree with Paul here on why people do this. *There is a lot of
> > > > satisfaction in starting with just some basic components and building
> > > > something that looks fantastic and flies, in a lot of cases, quite
> > > > well. *And the flying itself is extremely challenging. *As challenging
> > > > as you want to make it where you can make planes do things full size
> > > > can only dream of. *Check this **** out. *One of my buddies.
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCZcZEi8rI
>
> > > DG Airparts holds a contest every summer in Montague for RC Gliders,
> > > Siskiyou County Airport. *Many 50 and 100k model flights.
>
> > >http://www.xcsoaring.com/index.htm
>
> > > Richardwww.craggyaero.com-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Hi Richard, I attended the first one Dean held back in 2003? I think
> > it was, and we probably met.
> > I always meant to go back and do both full size and model aerotow
> > there at Montague.
> > Good to hear they are still holding the contest. *I'll have to see if
> > I can finish that EMS DG808.
>
> > Darren- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The first XC Soaring contest at Montague was 1998 and has been growing
> ever since. *I was one of the 100K R/C pilots. *Over the years the
> emphasis has moved from distance to speed. *Just like in the full-
> scale world. *I've had many flights over 5 hours with my XC racer, but
> now that speed is the task I expect that most flights will be under 1
> hour on task for the 15-25 miles course.
>
> Check outwww.xcsoaring.comfor the history and retails.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oops, meant to say details but Dean also has some retails on the page.

[tstock]

Well, the conclusion I finally came to was that pilots love flying in
planes, and r/c modelers love watching planes fly.

I've been r/c flying for about 25 years, and after flying the real
thing I found r/c got pretty boring and sold almost everything...
except for one... my FPV plane.

-tom

[Chris Nicholas[_2_]]

Not a glider, but an R/C teddy bear flying an R/C aircraft: See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTDuGaTRiJU&feature=player_embedded

Cool, or what?

Chris N.

[db_sonic]

On Jan 15, 10:11*pm, SoaringXCellence > wrote:
> On Jan 15, 6:37*pm, db_sonic > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 1:27*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 15, 12:19*pm, db_sonic > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 15, 11:19*am, "Paul Remde" > wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi Tom,
>
> > > > > While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
> > > > > lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
> > > > > they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
> > > > > models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
> > > > > here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.
>
> > > > > Paul Remde
>
> > > > Agree with Paul here on why people do this. *There is a lot of
> > > > satisfaction in starting with just some basic components and building
> > > > something that looks fantastic and flies, in a lot of cases, quite
> > > > well. *And the flying itself is extremely challenging. *As challenging
> > > > as you want to make it where you can make planes do things full size
> > > > can only dream of. *Check this **** out. *One of my buddies.
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCZcZEi8rI
>
> > > DG Airparts holds a contest every summer in Montague for RC Gliders,
> > > Siskiyou County Airport. *Many 50 and 100k model flights.
>
> > >http://www.xcsoaring.com/index.htm
>
> > > Richardwww.craggyaero.com-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Hi Richard, I attended the first one Dean held back in 2003? I think
> > it was, and we probably met.
> > I always meant to go back and do both full size and model aerotow
> > there at Montague.
> > Good to hear they are still holding the contest. *I'll have to see if
> > I can finish that EMS DG808.
>
> > Darren- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The first XC Soaring contest at Montague was 1998 and has been growing
> ever since. *I was one of the 100K R/C pilots. *Over the years the
> emphasis has moved from distance to speed. *Just like in the full-
> scale world. *I've had many flights over 5 hours with my XC racer, but
> now that speed is the task I expect that most flights will be under 1
> hour on task for the 15-25 miles course.
>
> Check outwww.xcsoaring.comfor the history and retails.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ah, I was referring to the Scale Aerotow they used to have, but I
guess they dont hold it anymore.

[Andreas Maurer]

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:13:16 -0800 (PST), db_sonic
> wrote:


>Ah, I was referring to the Scale Aerotow they used to have, but I
>guess they dont hold it anymore.

How about a real scale aerotow?
A 1:2 glider model behind a real-life tow plane...

But of course these are only rumours.