next gen standard class?

[ric375]

Are any of the major manufacturers looking into making next generation models for the standard class?

is there even much room left for developement here? what could really be improved? fuselages and tails seem more or less set, and any tinkering with wing planform and angle of incidence involves trading off either low or highspeed performance, with no overall gain compared to current designs at different wingloadings.

As i see it, the only real improvements available are in the wing root area(like on the new JS-1), and possibly thinner wing sections. but given the wide range of CL these unflapped wings have to work at i imagine that it is harder to make a thinner section work than on a flapped ship.

what do you think/know?

[Dave Nadler]

On Feb 3, 5:24*am, ric375 > wrote:
> Are any of the major manufacturers looking into making next generation
> models for the standard class?
>
> is there even much room left for developement here? what could really
> be improved? fuselages and tails seem more or less set, and any
> tinkering with wing planform and angle of incidence involves trading
> off either low or highspeed performance, with no overall gain compared
> to current designs at different wingloadings.
>
> As i see it, the only real improvements available are in the wing root
> area(like on the new JS-1), and possibly thinner wing sections. but
> given the wide range of CL these unflapped wings have to work at i
> imagine that it is harder to make a thinner section work than on a
> flapped ship.
>
> what do you think/know?
>
> --
> ric375

Why would they do this, when nobody buys standard class ?
The only gliders being sold and built are 18-meter or bigger.

See ya, Dave "YO electric" (20m, or with the short tips 18m)

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On Feb 3, 6:24*am, ric375 > wrote:
> Are any of the major manufacturers looking into making next generation
> models for the standard class?
>
> is there even much room left for developement here? what could really
> be improved? fuselages and tails seem more or less set, and any
> tinkering with wing planform and angle of incidence involves trading
> off either low or highspeed performance, with no overall gain compared
> to current designs at different wingloadings.
>
> As i see it, the only real improvements available are in the wing root
> area(like on the new JS-1), and possibly thinner wing sections. but
> given the wide range of CL these unflapped wings have to work at i
> imagine that it is harder to make a thinner section work than on a
> flapped ship.
>
> what do you think/know?
>
> --
> ric375

There are plenty of gliders available on the used market to satisfy
the need. Additionally, the segment of the market who can "justify" a
new glider are the ones quite well off where the higher price for 18m
glider isn't as much an issue.
It would be pretty hard to do a glider that would obsolete the LS-8 ,
D2, ASW-28 group of gliders.
FWIW
UH

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Feb 3, 7:12*am, wrote:

> It would be pretty hard to do a glider that would obsolete the LS-8 ,
> D2, ASW-28 group of gliders...

Except, of course, to offer a comparable glider that costs a lot less
to buy, maintain, and operate...

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On Feb 3, 10:43*am, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 7:12*am, wrote:
>
> > It would be pretty hard to do a glider that would obsolete the LS-8 ,
> > D2, ASW-28 group of gliders...
>
> Except, of course, to offer a comparable glider that costs a lot less
> to buy, maintain, and operate...

Can you say homebuilt- Yes you can.
Quit writin' and get back to work on the HP-24!
UH

[Brad[_2_]]

On Feb 3, 9:18*am, wrote:
> On Feb 3, 10:43*am, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 7:12*am, wrote:
>
> > > It would be pretty hard to do a glider that would obsolete the LS-8 ,
> > > D2, ASW-28 group of gliders...
>
> > Except, of course, to offer a comparable glider that costs a lot less
> > to buy, maintain, and operate...
>
> Can you say homebuilt- Yes you can.
> Quit writin' and get back to work on the HP-24!
> UH

The HP-24 is gonna be a pretty cool glider...............I was sitting
in the cockpit just the other day laying out my instrument panel!

Brad

[Westbender]

Speaking of which, do you guys have any estimates as to when the
initial flight testing might begin?

I've been following your progress on the HP24 website with much
interest. What you're doing is very cool!




On Feb 3, 11:36*am, Brad > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 9:18*am, wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 10:43*am, Bob Kuykendall > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3, 7:12*am, wrote:
>
> > > > It would be pretty hard to do a glider that would obsolete the LS-8 ,
> > > > D2, ASW-28 group of gliders...
>
> > > Except, of course, to offer a comparable glider that costs a lot less
> > > to buy, maintain, and operate...
>
> > Can you say homebuilt- Yes you can.
> > Quit writin' and get back to work on the HP-24!
> > UH
>
> The HP-24 is gonna be a pretty cool glider...............I was sitting
> in the cockpit just the other day laying out my instrument panel!
>
> Brad

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Feb 3, 11:25*am, Westbender > wrote:
> Speaking of which, do you guys have any estimates as to when the
> initial flight testing might begin?

We're closing the first set of wings in just a few weeks, so maybe we
can have one flying this year. We'll be starting a batch of parts for
the next two ships after that wingset is closed and delivered.

Thanks, Bob K.