How far to drive to buy?

[glider[_2_]]

Once I bought a sailplane locally. I was back home in one hour.
Many drive coast to coast to buy? Is that logical?
How many miles should someone drive to buy a sailplane?
I say one day each way is max.
GA

[Paul Cordell]

As far as Necessary for the right Sailplane, or as far as possible as
Oceans occasionally get in the way!

[Uncle Fuzzy]

On Feb 4, 11:08*am, glider > wrote:
> *Once I bought a sailplane locally. I was back home in one hour.
> *Many drive coast to coast to buy? Is that logical?
> *How many miles should someone drive to buy a sailplane?
> *I say one day *each way is max.
> *GA

Buying a plane locally works out fine, as long as the glider you WANT
is local. I had the advantage of complete ignorance of what I wanted,
coupled with a very low budget. A glider was for sale from another
club member, people said it was a good glider, and I could afford it,
so I bought it. Good thing, since I couldn't tow it behind my
motorcycle.
If I want an SZD-59 with winglets (or a SISU1A), and the only one for
sale is 2,000 miles away, I'd go for a drive.

[[email protected][_2_]]

As far as it takes.

[Tuno]

What Paul said.

I drove two days, each way, to pick up my current glider. And that was
after it came over from Germany on a boat!

[John[_27_]]

On Feb 4, 2:59*pm, Tuno > wrote:
> What Paul said.
>
> I drove two days, each way, to pick up my current glider. And that was
> after it came over from Germany on a boat!

Leaving Oregon for Florida tomorrow - I'll tell you how far when I get
back :-)

John

[Ralph Jones[_2_]]

On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:08:37 -0800 (PST), glider >
wrote:

> Once I bought a sailplane locally. I was back home in one hour.
> Many drive coast to coast to buy? Is that logical?
> How many miles should someone drive to buy a sailplane?
> I say one day each way is max.
> GA

How long is a piece of rope?

rj

[Barny]

I paid Frank :)

[4Z[_2_]]

I drove 2000 miles from Montana to Virginia to buy a $3700 wood BG-12,
then back through the some of the worst driving weather I've ever
experienced. I was a poor grad student at the time, and a set of wings
were priceless to me. Got my Gold Badge in that one and learned a heck
of a lot.

[[email protected]]

I went to Lithuania from Ohio for two of my gliders.
A Genesis 2 and an Antonov A-15

Robert Mudd
Moriarty, NM

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:12:34 -0800, wrote:

> I went to Lithuania from Ohio for two of my gliders. A Genesis 2 and an
> Antonov A-15
>
What was the A-15 like to fly?

I saw an airworthy example in Sazena (Czech Republic) in 1997 but have
never seen one in the air or met anybody who has flown one.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Brad[_2_]]

On Feb 4, 3:16*pm, John > wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2:59*pm, Tuno > wrote:
>
> > What Paul said.
>
> > I drove two days, each way, to pick up my current glider. And that was
> > after it came over from Germany on a boat!
>
> Leaving Oregon for Florida tomorrow - I'll tell you how far when I get
> back :-)
>
> John

watcha gettin' ???

Brad

...................I drove from Washington State to Albion Maine to get
an ASK-14 years ago.

[vontresc]

On Feb 4, 7:04*pm, Barny > wrote:
> I paid Frank *:)

I second this. Frank hauled my Ka-6 from PA to IA. Unfortunately I had
to drag it back to WI :-)

Pete

[John[_27_]]

On Feb 4, 5:55*pm, Brad > wrote:
> On Feb 4, 3:16*pm, John > wrote:
>
> > On Feb 4, 2:59*pm, Tuno > wrote:
>
> > > What Paul said.
>
> > > I drove two days, each way, to pick up my current glider. And that was
> > > after it came over from Germany on a boat!
>
> > Leaving Oregon for Florida tomorrow - I'll tell you how far when I get
> > back :-)
>
> > John
>
> watcha gettin' ???
>
> Brad
>
> ..................I drove from Washington State to Albion Maine to get
> an ASK-14 years ago.

Something I can afford :-)

[Mark]

You don't have to drive yourself. You can fly to do the pre-buy
inspection and get it bought and then hire someone to drive it to your
house. There are web sites where you can post what you want
transported and people bid on hauling your load. My brother had a
glider delivered 1,400 miles for $800 and the guy had tons of positive
feedback and did a great job.

[Tony[_5_]]

On Feb 4, 8:49*pm, Mark > wrote:
> You don't have to drive yourself. *You can fly to do the pre-buy
> inspection and get it bought and then hire someone to drive it to your
> house. *There are web sites where you can post what you want
> transported and people bid on hauling your load. *My brother had a
> glider delivered 1,400 miles for $800 and the guy had tons of positive
> feedback and did a great job.

I usually just call my seasonally unemployed CFIG or other soaring
friends.

[Eric Greenwell]

glider wrote:
> Once I bought a sailplane locally. I was back home in one hour.
> Many drive coast to coast to buy? Is that logical?
> How many miles should someone drive to buy a sailplane?
> I say one day each way is max.
> GA
>
Unless you are looking for a really cheap glider, say less than $5000 ....

You can fly there pretty cheaply (compared to it's price) to inspect it
if you have the slightest concern about it's condition.

Whether or not you do the above, if you decide you want to buy it, you
can often get the owner to deliver it half way to meet you as part of
the deal.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

[jb92563]

I drove from Riverside California to St Petes Florida for a $500
Monerai project.

It was a good deal!!!

It was a nice road trip and I enjoyed it all.

Even having to replace the trailer axle in Mississipi was not a big
deal.

It only delayed me by about 3 hours amazingly as the axle hub started
deteriorating just as I was passing a rest stop/welcome center, so I
pulled in, and found a trailer supply place just 1 exit down the
highway and replaced the entire axle complete assembled with hubs/
bearings etc for under $150.

I managed to remove the old one and replace it just as the thunder &
rain was starting and proceeded to finish my trip without any further
surprises.

The key is to leave yourself some extra time so you don't have to feel
rushed and it will be a fun trip.

Think of it as a long distance glider retreive. It will give you a
valuable retreive crew perspective on road trips.

Ray

[Adam]

On Feb 5, 10:05*am, jb92563 > wrote:
> I drove from Riverside California to St Petes Florida for a $500
> Monerai project.
>
> It was a good deal!!!
>
> It was a nice road trip and I enjoyed it all.
>
> Even having to replace the trailer axle in Mississipi was not a big
> deal.
>
> It only delayed me by about 3 hours amazingly as the axle hub started
> deteriorating just as I was passing a rest stop/welcome center, so I
> pulled in, and found a trailer supply place just 1 exit down the
> highway and replaced the entire axle complete assembled with hubs/
> bearings etc *for under $150.
>
> I managed to remove the old one and replace it just as the thunder &
> rain was starting and proceeded to finish my trip without any further
> surprises.
>
> The key is to leave yourself some extra time so you don't have to feel
> rushed and it will be a fun trip.
>
> Think of it as a long distance glider retreive. It will give you a
> valuable retreive crew perspective on road trips.
>
> Ray

I live in MN.

I looked at a sailplane one Christmas (from the in-laws in Mi I drove
to N. Ohio). I passed on that one. Next I flew to see one in S.C. It
was far better but I passed on that one too.

Then I flew to CA - this one I did purchase. Frank W was headed out to
CA and drove it back to CO and later kindly met me half-way in
Nebraska. In all I drove one full day and paid Frank a rate far too
low compare to U-ship. He did a pro job of course!

In all it was fun looking about but not something I'd want to do more
than once every 5 years. IMHO it would be nuts to buy one without
looking it over in person and doing your homework first.

/Adam

[Eric Greenwell]

Adam wrote:
>>
>> The key is to leave yourself some extra time so you don't have to feel
>> rushed and it will be a fun trip.
>>
>> Think of it as a long distance glider retreive. It will give you a
>> valuable retreive crew perspective on road trips.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>
> I live in MN.
>
> I looked at a sailplane one Christmas (from the in-laws in Mi I drove
> to N. Ohio). I passed on that one. Next I flew to see one in S.C. It
> was far better but I passed on that one too.
>
> Then I flew to CA - this one I did purchase. Frank W was headed out to
> CA and drove it back to CO and later kindly met me half-way in
> Nebraska. In all I drove one full day and paid Frank a rate far too
> low compare to U-ship. He did a pro job of course!
>
> In all it was fun looking about but not something I'd want to do more
> than once every 5 years. IMHO it would be nuts to buy one without
> looking it over in person and doing your homework first.
>
If you don't look at it before you buy, having the seller drive half way
to meet you probably encourages "full disclosure", because he will have
as much invested as you do. If you drive thousands to where he lives,
and he doesn't have to drive at all, he might count on you accepting
less than you thought you were.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

[John[_27_]]

On Feb 6, 7:31*pm, Eric Greenwell > wrote:
> Adam wrote:
>
> >> The key is to leave yourself some extra time soyoudon't have to feel
> >> rushed and it will be a fun trip.
>
> >> Think of it as a long distance glider retreive. It will giveyoua
> >> valuable retreive crew perspective on road trips.
>
> >> Ray
>
> > I live in MN.
>
> > I looked at a sailplane one Christmas (from the in-laws in Mi I drove
> > to N. Ohio). I passed on that one. Next I flew to see one in S.C. It
> > wasfarbetter but I passed on that one too.
>
> > Then I flew to CA - this one I did purchase. Frank W was headed out to
> > CA and drove it back to CO and later kindly met me half-way in
> > Nebraska. In all I drove one full day and paid Frank a ratefartoo
> > low compare to U-ship. He did a pro job of course!
>
> > In all it was fun looking about but not something I'd want to do more
> > than once every 5 years. *IMHO itwouldbe nuts to buy one without
> > looking it over in person and doing your homework first.
>
> Ifyoudon't look at it beforeyoubuy, having the sellerdrivehalf way
> to meetyouprobably encourages "full disclosure", because he will have
> as much invested asyoudo. Ifyoudrivethousands to where he lives,
> and he doesn't have todriveat all, he might count onyouaccepting
> less thanyouthoughtyouwere.
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
> * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
>
> * "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
> * ** Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more
>
> * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org

I took the risk and drove a round-trip of 6420 miles (Oregon to
Sarasota, Florida) for a glider -and darn glad I did! I just got back
from a 6.5 day trip!

[Brad[_2_]]

On Feb 12, 8:00*pm, John > wrote:
> On Feb 6, 7:31*pm, Eric Greenwell > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Adam wrote:
>
> > >> The key is to leave yourself some extra time soyoudon't have to feel
> > >> rushed and it will be a fun trip.
>
> > >> Think of it as a long distance glider retreive. It will giveyoua
> > >> valuable retreive crew perspective on road trips.
>
> > >> Ray
>
> > > I live in MN.
>
> > > I looked at a sailplane one Christmas (from the in-laws in Mi I drove
> > > to N. Ohio). I passed on that one. Next I flew to see one in S.C. It
> > > wasfarbetter but I passed on that one too.
>
> > > Then I flew to CA - this one I did purchase. Frank W was headed out to
> > > CA and drove it back to CO and later kindly met me half-way in
> > > Nebraska. In all I drove one full day and paid Frank a ratefartoo
> > > low compare to U-ship. He did a pro job of course!
>
> > > In all it was fun looking about but not something I'd want to do more
> > > than once every 5 years. *IMHO itwouldbe nuts to buy one without
> > > looking it over in person and doing your homework first.
>
> > Ifyoudon't look at it beforeyoubuy, having the sellerdrivehalf way
> > to meetyouprobably encourages "full disclosure", because he will have
> > as much invested asyoudo. Ifyoudrivethousands to where he lives,
> > and he doesn't have todriveat all, he might count onyouaccepting
> > less thanyouthoughtyouwere.
>
> > --
> > Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
> > * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
>
> > * "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
> > * ** Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more
>
> > * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org
>
> I took the risk and drove a round-trip of 6420 miles (Oregon to
> Sarasota, Florida) for a glider -and darn glad I did! *I just got back
> from a 6.5 day trip!

was it an LS-3?

Brad

[SoaringXCellence]

On Feb 12, 8:11*pm, Brad > wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:00*pm, John > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 7:31*pm, Eric Greenwell > wrote:
>
> > > Adam wrote:
>
> > > >> The key is to leave yourself some extra time soyoudon't have to feel
> > > >> rushed and it will be a fun trip.
>
> > > >> Think of it as a long distance glider retreive. It will giveyoua
> > > >> valuable retreive crew perspective on road trips.
>
> > > >> Ray
>
> > > > I live in MN.
>
> > > > I looked at a sailplane one Christmas (from the in-laws in Mi I drove
> > > > to N. Ohio). I passed on that one. Next I flew to see one in S.C. It
> > > > wasfarbetter but I passed on that one too.
>
> > > > Then I flew to CA - this one I did purchase. Frank W was headed out to
> > > > CA and drove it back to CO and later kindly met me half-way in
> > > > Nebraska. In all I drove one full day and paid Frank a ratefartoo
> > > > low compare to U-ship. He did a pro job of course!
>
> > > > In all it was fun looking about but not something I'd want to do more
> > > > than once every 5 years. *IMHO itwouldbe nuts to buy one without
> > > > looking it over in person and doing your homework first.
>
> > > Ifyoudon't look at it beforeyoubuy, having the sellerdrivehalf way
> > > to meetyouprobably encourages "full disclosure", because he will have
> > > as much invested asyoudo. Ifyoudrivethousands to where he lives,
> > > and he doesn't have todriveat all, he might count onyouaccepting
> > > less thanyouthoughtyouwere.
>
> > > --
> > > Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
> > > * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
>
> > > * "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
> > > * ** Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more
>
> > > * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org
>
> > I took the risk and drove a round-trip of 6420 miles (Oregon to
> > Sarasota, Florida) for a glider -and darn glad I did! *I just got back
> > from a 6.5 day trip!
>
> was it an LS-3?
>
> Brad- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Nope, a Jantar Standard-3

[Morgans[_2_]]

"John" > wrote

>I took the risk and drove a round-trip of 6420 miles (Oregon to
>Sarasota, Florida) for a glider -and darn glad I did! I just got back
>from a 6.5 day trip!

You can't type something like that here, and just walk away from it!

And now, the rest of the story? ;-)
--
Jim in NC

[John[_27_]]

On Feb 12, 9:22*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
> "John" > wrote
>
> >I took the risk and drove a round-trip of 6420 miles (Oregon to
> >Sarasota, Florida) for a glider -and darn glad I did! *I just got back
> >from a 6.5 day trip!
>
> You can't type something like that here, and just walk away from it!
>
> And now, the rest of the story? * ;-)
> --
> Jim in NC

I'm writing up the trip story now, and will share shortly...I didn't
walk away - more like I passed out!

[Frank Whiteley]

On Feb 13, 9:22*am, John > wrote:
> On Feb 12, 9:22*pm, "Morgans" > wrote:
>
> > "John" > wrote
>
> > >I took the risk and drove a round-trip of 6420 miles (Oregon to
> > >Sarasota, Florida) for a glider -and darn glad I did! *I just got back
> > >from a 6.5 day trip!
>
> > You can't type something like that here, and just walk away from it!
>
> > And now, the rest of the story? * ;-)
> > --
> > Jim in NC
>
> I'm writing up the trip story now, and will share shortly...I didn't
> walk away - more like I passed out!

No kidding. Too many deer for driving at night any longer (right
Paul;^), plus some of the motels have upgraded their beds in the past
18 months, almost like the expensive options.

Frank Whiteley

[sisu1a]

> No kidding. *Too many deer for driving at night any longer (right
> Paul;^)

Since the _incident (score BTW was me/dog/van/glider/trailer-1,
deer-0 !), I now relegate what night hauling I do to within the 'deer
wake' behind big rigs. Get good gas mileage there too ;).

Thousand miles a day is a respectable average for such a long trip, I
salute you road warrior.

-Paul

[Free Flight 107]

> Thousand miles a day is a respectable average for such a long trip, I
> salute you road warrior.
>
> -Paul

2005, San Diego to Fancy Gap, VA, 4,820 miles, for a Libelle 301 once
owned by Gren Siebel; two drivers, 4 days total, only repair was the
trailer lights wiring.

Most interesting "Excursion" was driving around a 5 car/truck Freeway
wreck in Memphis, TN using all Creepy Hollow roads following a crazy
cab driver! Best moment was stopping at a Motel for one night's sleep
and a shower. Most expensive gas was $2.20 a gallon in San Diego!

FreeFlight Wayne