Re: DG's new requirements for older DG ships

[Victor Newman]

On Feb 21, 5:35*pm, jcarlyle > wrote:
> I think it's significant that DG's Forum has gone silent. Probably DG
> is holding it's corporate breath, waiting until the "grace" period has
> expired, and hoping against hope that owners pony up some cash. I
> don't think they're going to be happy...
>
> -John
>
> On Feb 21, 5:18 pm, "
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > I don't know of a single individual who's paying this ransom. *Early
> > on I e-mailed Dr. Weber with some constructive comments and
> > questions. *He didn't even address some of the points I raised.
> > Relevant portions of this exchange were posted on this newsgroup,
> > where they can still be read. *Let the world judge.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Here's a few questions to ponder:

1) Is a US DG/LS owner (with a standard airworthiness certificate)
required to do anything unless he receives and AD from the FAA?
2) Can DG expect owners to react to their proposal simply by posting
messages on R.A.S., their web page, or through their newsletter? What
if an owner does not subscribe to any of the above?
3) What if a current owner who has not subscribed to DG's wonderful
plan sells his ship in a couple of years: will the new owner be locked
out from DG service because the previous owner did not participate?

[Peter Scholz[_2_]]

Victor Newman wrote:
> On Feb 21, 5:35 pm, jcarlyle > wrote:
>> I think it's significant that DG's Forum has gone silent. Probably DG
>> is holding it's corporate breath, waiting until the "grace" period has
>> expired, and hoping against hope that owners pony up some cash. I
>> don't think they're going to be happy...
>>
>> -John
>>
>> On Feb 21, 5:18 pm, "
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> I don't know of a single individual who's paying this ransom. Early
>>> on I e-mailed Dr. Weber with some constructive comments and
>>> questions. He didn't even address some of the points I raised.
>>> Relevant portions of this exchange were posted on this newsgroup,
>>> where they can still be read. Let the world judge.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Here's a few questions to ponder:
>
> 1) Is a US DG/LS owner (with a standard airworthiness certificate)
> required to do anything unless he receives and AD from the FAA?

No.

> 2) Can DG expect owners to react to their proposal simply by posting
> messages on R.A.S., their web page, or through their newsletter? What
> if an owner does not subscribe to any of the above?

You won't get spares from DG anymore.

> 3) What if a current owner who has not subscribed to DG's wonderful
> plan sells his ship in a couple of years: will the new owner be locked
> out from DG service because the previous owner did not participate?

Interesting question. Probably depends on the mood of Friedel Weber at
that time (if he's still in business at all)

Peter Scholz
JE

[[email protected]]

3) What if a current owner who has not subscribed to DG's wonderful
plan sells his ship in a couple of years: will the new owner be locked
out from DG service because the previous owner did not participate?

Two months ago I e-mailed Dr. Weber about that very point (as well as
other questions). His vapid answers (or lack thereof) suggest that
DG's stupid fee proposal was even more poorly planned than any of us
thought.

Here's the thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.soaring/browse_thread/thread/c35686682cb80c3f/1eb20c7c0db5ccb2?lnk=gst&q=DG++service+fee#1eb20c7c0db5ccb2
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.soaring/browse_thread/
thread/c35686682cb80c3f/1eb20c7c0db5ccb2?lnk=gst&q=DG++service
+fee#1eb20c7c0db5ccb2>

Interestingly, however, DG's latest newsletter (received today) says,
"... Pilots who defer signing the Service Agreement into next year
will need to purchase the manuals separately for Euro 250.00 plus
applicable tax." This suggests to me that non-participants can indeed
buy into the program at a later date, or in time of need (which is
logical, because otherwise DG would get ZERO income from them).