CFI-G and Badges, racing

[glider[_2_]]

Just for fun, I wonder how many CFI-G types have Gold Badges with
Diamonds? How many instructors compete?
I would think that an active instructor is not the same chap that
goes for long flights or gets involved with competition. I'll bet it
takes a different mind-set to want to instruct.
GA
(CFI-G, seldom)

[Andy[_1_]]

On Mar 1, 3:48*pm, glider > wrote:

>CFI-G types have Gold Badges with Diamonds? - this one

>How many instructors compete? - this one

Maybe what you should have asked was how many active contest pilots
are also giving primary glider instruction. - not this one, and not
in the last 10 years, but may resume after retirement.

Andy

[Tony[_5_]]

On Mar 1, 4:48*pm, glider > wrote:
> *Just for fun, I wonder how many CFI-G types have Gold Badges with
> Diamonds? How many instructors compete?
> *I would think that an active instructor is not the same chap that
> goes for long flights or gets involved with competition. I'll bet it
> takes a different mind-set to want to instruct.
> GA
> (CFI-G, seldom)

i usually try my best to balance out and spend time instructing as
well as flying cross country. I'd like to start getting into contest
flying in the next couple seasons. Of course for me it will just be
for fun, not serious enough to try to win or anything.

I don't have any Gold legs or Diamonds.

[bildan]

On Mar 1, 3:48*pm, glider > wrote:
Snip
I'll bet it takes a different mind-set to want to instruct.
> GA
> (CFI-G, seldom)

I'll bet it doesn't. There's no conflict between instructing and
advanced flying, it's how involved the person is with the sport. If
they're really involved and love the sport, they'll instruct AND fly
XC - probably hold a badge or two as well.

Since some may not want to brag or may not be RAS'ers, here's a few
Diamond C holding, XC flying, active instructors I happen to know.

The late and very much missed John H Cambell, Chief instructor MHG.
Al Ossorio, Chief instructor SSB competes and makes long XC's in a N2
Bob Farris, very active instructor, winner Sports Class Reg 9 in his
LS-3.
(I think all 15 of the SSB instructors have Diamond C's.)

Garret Willat comes to mind - I know there are many, many more.

Come on Diamond C instructors, if you got it, flaunt it.

Diamonds have been earned in almost every state and in almost every
glider. Get your Diamonds in a 1-26 or Cherokee in Kansas and with
those bragging rights, you'll probably get free beer for life.

If you have a Diamond C and a CFI-G, get active. The sport needs you.

[Bob Backer]

Andy wrote:
> On Mar 1, 3:48 pm, glider > wrote:
>
>> CFI-G types have Gold Badges with Diamonds? - this one
>
>> How many instructors compete? - this one
>
> Maybe what you should have asked was how many active contest pilots
> are also giving primary glider instruction. - not this one, and not
> in the last 10 years, but may resume after retirement.
>
> Andy


Garret Willat

[T8]

On Mar 1, 5:48*pm, glider > wrote:
> *Just for fun, I wonder how many CFI-G types have Gold Badges with
> Diamonds? How many instructors compete?
> *I would think that an active instructor is not the same chap that
> goes for long flights or gets involved with competition. I'll bet it
> takes a different mind-set to want to instruct.
> GA
> (CFI-G, seldom)

About 95% of my training (in the 80's) came from active competition
pilots with diamond badges. Wouldn't trade that away for a million
bucks. I learned key things from every single one of them that I use
to this day.

-Evan Ludeman / T8

[[email protected]]

On Mar 1, 6:39*pm, bildan > wrote:
> On Mar 1, 3:48*pm, glider > wrote:
> Snip
> I'll bet it takes a different mind-set to want to instruct.
>
> > GA
> > (CFI-G, seldom)
>
> I'll bet it doesn't. *There's no conflict between instructing and
> advanced flying, it's how involved the person is with the sport. *If
> they're really involved and love the sport, they'll instruct AND fly
> XC - probably hold a badge or two as well.
>
> Since some may not want to brag or may not be RAS'ers, here's a few
> Diamond C holding, XC flying, active instructors I happen to know.
>
> The late and very much missed John H Cambell, Chief instructor MHG.
> Al Ossorio, Chief instructor SSB competes and makes long XC's in a N2
> Bob Farris, very active instructor, winner Sports Class Reg 9 in his
> LS-3.
> (I think all 15 of the SSB instructors have Diamond C's.)
>
> Garret Willat comes to mind - I know there are many, many more.
>
> Come on Diamond C instructors, if you got it, flaunt it.
>
> Diamonds have been earned in almost every state and in almost every
> glider. *Get your Diamonds in a 1-26 or Cherokee in Kansas and with
> those bragging rights, you'll probably get free beer for life.
>
> If you have a Diamond C and a CFI-G, get active. *The sport needs you.

UH: Over the course of a year,about 35% Racing,25% towing 40%
instructing. But only have 2 diamonds.Does a World distance award and
1000K count?
UH

[Papa3]

On Mar 1, 7:06*pm, wrote:
> On Mar 1, 6:39*pm, bildan > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 1, 3:48*pm, glider > wrote:
> > Snip
> > I'll bet it takes a different mind-set to want to instruct.
>
> > > GA
> > > (CFI-G, seldom)
>
> > I'll bet it doesn't. *There's no conflict between instructing and
> > advanced flying, it's how involved the person is with the sport. *If
> > they're really involved and love the sport, they'll instruct AND fly
> > XC - probably hold a badge or two as well.
>
> > Since some may not want to brag or may not be RAS'ers, here's a few
> > Diamond C holding, XC flying, active instructors I happen to know.
>
> > The late and very much missed John H Cambell, Chief instructor MHG.
> > Al Ossorio, Chief instructor SSB competes and makes long XC's in a N2
> > Bob Farris, very active instructor, winner Sports Class Reg 9 in his
> > LS-3.
> > (I think all 15 of the SSB instructors have Diamond C's.)
>
> > Garret Willat comes to mind - I know there are many, many more.
>
> > Come on Diamond C instructors, if you got it, flaunt it.
>
> > Diamonds have been earned in almost every state and in almost every
> > glider. *Get your Diamonds in a 1-26 or Cherokee in Kansas and with
> > those bragging rights, you'll probably get free beer for life.
>
> > If you have a Diamond C and a CFI-G, get active. *The sport needs you..
>
> UH: Over the course of a year,about 35% Racing,25% towing 40%
> instructing. But only have 2 diamonds.Does a World distance award and
> 1000K count?
> UH- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Last year, on the same week I did a 1000K in my LS8, I did 3 hours as
CFI-G in the back seat of a 2-33. Now, 3 hours isn't a lot of time...
except when you're in the back of a 2-33 :-)

At the prime of my gliding days (i.e. pre-marriage, pre-kids), I was
doing about 150 hours per year. Average was about 90-100 hours in my
glass bird (1/3 share of a Grob Astir) and the remainder in 2-33s.
Nowadays unfortunately, total hours are down below 90 a year and only
about 5-10 are instructing. Two kids will do that to ya :-)

P3
Gold/Diamond/750K Diplome/1000K Diplome

[Bob Gibbons[_2_]]

I can't speak for today's competition pilots, but during the 1970's
the late, great Dick Johnson regularly instructed with our auto-tow
only club. During our summer months, Dick would instruct from around
10am till around 1pm, then jump into his HP-13, Skylark 4, Nimbus 2,
ASW-17, or even a club 1-26. We'd give Dick his auto-tow, and Dick
would fly off, returning just before sunset to help put the ships
away.

During this period, Dick won 2 US National Championships, and
represented the US in 4 consecutive World Championships, placing in
the top 10 in each.

At least one example of a competitive pilot also instructing.

Bob

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:48:17 -0800 (PST), glider >
wrote:

> Just for fun, I wonder how many CFI-G types have Gold Badges with
>Diamonds? How many instructors compete?
> I would think that an active instructor is not the same chap that
>goes for long flights or gets involved with competition. I'll bet it
>takes a different mind-set to want to instruct.
>GA
>(CFI-G, seldom)

[Andreas Maurer]

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:48:17 -0800 (PST), glider >
wrote:

> Just for fun, I wonder how many CFI-G types have Gold Badges with
>Diamonds? How many instructors compete?
> I would think that an active instructor is not the same chap that
>goes for long flights or gets involved with competition. I'll bet it
>takes a different mind-set to want to instruct.


Interesting point - and I disagree completely. :)

If you allow, I'd like to add my German point of view:
Here in Germany there are very, very few XC pilots who are *not*
instructing in their clubs.
Nearly all of the famous XC-pilots in Germany are active instructors
in his club (for example, in my club, 3 of the 9 active instructors
are currently members of the German 15m class national team).


On my side of the pond the career of a CFIG usually looks like this:

One gets his license, starts to fly XC, maybe competitions, and is
being watched all the time by the instructors of the club. Sooner or
later any talented pilot is going to be asked if he wouldn't like to
become an instructor - usually in terms that make it difficult to
decline this offer. In many cases the club even sponsors the
instructor course.


How does the career of a CFIG look in other places of the world?

Cheers
Andreas


p.s.
Of course even in Germany there are CFIGs who don't do any XC at all -
but they are a small minority.

[John Smith]

glider wrote:
> I would think that an active instructor is not the same chap that
> goes for long flights

A typical USA question. In nearly the whole rest of the world, being an
experienced cross country pilot is a prerequisite for becoming a glider
instructor.

[Surfer!]

In message >, John Smith
> writes
>glider wrote:
>> I would think that an active instructor is not the same chap that
>> goes for long flights
>
>A typical USA question. In nearly the whole rest of the world, being an
>experienced cross country pilot is a prerequisite for becoming a glider
>instructor.

Depends on what you call 'experienced'. In the UK a Silver badge is
required, not Gold or Diamonds. And, of course, some people with a
Silver badge have managed the 50k and never flown out of glide range
again whereas others might not have a Gold but still do regular XC
flying plus the odd field landing.

--
Surfer!

[qflyer1]

On Mar 2, 7:01*am, Surfer! > wrote:
> In message >, John Smith
> > writes
>
> >glider wrote:
> >> I would think that an active instructor is not the same chap that
> >> goes for long flights
>
> >A typical USA question. In nearly the whole rest of the world, being an
> >experienced cross country pilot is a prerequisite for becoming a glider
> >instructor.
>
> Depends on what you call 'experienced'. *In the UK a Silver badge is
> required, not Gold or Diamonds. *And, of course, some people with a
> Silver badge have managed the 50k and never flown out of glide range
> again whereas others might not have a Gold but still do regular XC
> flying plus the odd field landing.
>
> --
> Surfer!

Competing CFI-G w/ 2/3 Diamond.

Cheers,
Tim

[Jim[_18_]]

On Mar 1, 2:48*pm, glider > wrote:
> *Just for fun, I wonder how many CFI-G types have Gold Badges with
> Diamonds? How many instructors compete?
> *I would think that an active instructor is not the same chap that
> goes for long flights or gets involved with competition. I'll bet it
> takes a different mind-set to want to instruct.
> GA
> (CFI-G, seldom)

Have spent a lot of time in the back of 2-33s, have 3 diamonds and
really enjoy cross country flying.

Get enough of crowds at work so don't have much desire to go to a
contest, mostly self-launch/retrieve out of airports where there are
few or no other gliders flying.

I've known instructors that don't fly cross country that produced some
very good pilots. We have a lot of accidents in our sport, we should
make a priority of teaching basic airmanship before we send people off
on a cross country.

I don't mind instructing in the winter but having a full time job, a
small business, and other projects have caused me to not have any time
for instructing lately. We're rebuilding an old blanik to teach some
neighbor kids how to fly, hopefully it'll be ready by fall.

Jim

[mattm[_2_]]

On Mar 2, 7:37*am, qflyer1 > wrote:
> On Mar 2, 7:01*am, Surfer! > wrote:
>
>
>
> > In message >, John Smith
> > > writes
>
> > >glider wrote:
> > >> I would think that an active instructor is not the same chap that
> > >> goes for long flights
>
> > >A typical USA question. In nearly the whole rest of the world, being an
> > >experienced cross country pilot is a prerequisite for becoming a glider
> > >instructor.
>
> > Depends on what you call 'experienced'. *In the UK a Silver badge is
> > required, not Gold or Diamonds. *And, of course, some people with a
> > Silver badge have managed the 50k and never flown out of glide range
> > again whereas others might not have a Gold but still do regular XC
> > flying plus the odd field landing.
>
> > --
> > Surfer!
>
> Competing CFI-G w/ 2/3 Diamond.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim

Instructing for 12 years now, cross country for the past 4 years or
so. Personally
what's made me a better instructor has been mentorship by our club's
lead
instructor, who has very extensive aviation experience of all kinds
(including being
a professional test pilot at one point). Our club's instructors range
from Bronze
badge level up to double diamond level (the altitude diamond is pretty
hard to
get in the east). The two guys who don't have any cross country
experience
are pretty valuable anyway because they teach great airmanship (one is
a
full time airplane CFI and the other is an unemployed airline
captain).

I'll go back to the large number of CFIGs in the US compared to the
number
of clubs/operations. Our lead instructor has pointed out that a
typical
club model is to drum up a CFIG, park him in the back of a 2-33 every
weekend, and burn him out after about a year or so. Lather, rinse,
repeat.
That large number of CFIGs are the people burned out at some point who
have vowed to stay away.

Our club has managed to build up to 6 instructors, so we can teach
every
Saturday and every other Sunday without anyone having to give up more
than a day a month (which we require of all our club members anyway).
The trick is to actually teach well as a team, so that students
progress
from session to session, rather than having to prove themselves over
again
every week to the next instructor. We also put as our training
endpoint
achieving the Bronze badge, rather than the licence, so that we
produce
pilots ready for and interested in flying cross country.

-- Matt