Dealing with SO's.

[jb92563]

What is the SO you ask?

A new government fee? A new safety program? A new officer position
in your club?

Nope, its way more invasive than any of these things and has
incredible power that is weilded almost nonchallantly or on a whim it
seems sometimes.

Some people are married to it, some just live with it, others just
visit with it now and then and some fight with and despise it.

It is that "Significant Other" in your life that invariably impacts
the things you do while enjoying your hobby/sport.

I have spoken to many people in aviation and have found this common
theme and topic that is rarely mentioned
unless asked about specifically, and then there is a catharsis.

I have been influenced myself recently and have found others just as
equally effected.

In just two days and talking to only 4 people I noticed the common
theme in each of them and decided that this is an issue that ought to
be discussed if for no other reason as a form of therapy.

Here are 4 impacted folks starting with myself. Names with-held to
protect true feelings from being exposed on the matter and the SO
network springing into action to terminate the threat.



Pilot #1: (Visits with it. ie Girl Friend) The SO insisted I not sell
my 2 seat motor glider because she "might" want to go flying
sometime.

The truth of the matter is that she has only been up flying once and
she was not particularly enjoying it due to motion sickness even
though I was not thermalling or banking at all really(Perhaps 10
degrees max).
She also has not indicated any desire to go up again and is not at all
enthused at the idea of doing so.

There are other benefits to keeping my 2 seater such as giving friends
who enjoy flying rides, having extra payload capacity for those long
distance fly-in missions that require some clothes, food and perhaps
even some camping gear.

I was frankly surprised that the SO's feeling would be hurt if I did
not own a 2 seater.


Pilot #2: (Lives with SO) The SO "required" that the aircraft be a 2
seater and suitable for cross country flights in order for the funding
to be endorsed and approved.
The SO in this case only likes to go flying in the warm evening calm
on occasion.
At least she likes to fly and share a nice sunset.

The person sharing this info also mentioned that she has a particular
preference for wearing certain airy sexy clothing on these flights and
perhaps makes it much more desirable to take her on those open cockpit
flights, but alas the PIC must keep his mind and hands only on the
aircraft.


Pilot #3: (Despises it) This now EX SO has caused the ultimate insult
by requiring the person who amateur built this aircraft lovingly for 6
years, to have to sell it before its first flight as part of the
divorce settlement, out of spite.

This is the type of thing that sends people off the deep end....what
can you do when things go that bad with an SO.
Perhaps the SO hated the aircraft for the attention it stole from her
relationship and blamed the troubled marriage on it.

On a positive note, she cleared the deck for this guys next SO as his
project was gone and his funds depleted for while anyway
and his emotions in a vunerable state just they way new SO's like it.


Pilot #4: (Married to it) This pilot and his SO are living a good life
in a middle class 2.5 kids and a dog type of environment.
He gets to go flying occasionally as his life is busy with many
things, but almost everything else in his life has higher priority
than going flying.
He will endure the years with periodic flights now and then, just
enough to keep passing his Biennial flight reviews.
He will need to wait until the kids are out on their own and his SO
takes up her own hobbies to keep her busy with the kids gone.
Until that day he will hang on to his glider, dream of those amazing
flights he will do some day and wait for his periodic opportunities to
go flying.



Like the saying goes, can't live with them and it sure seems like we
also can't live without them for very long either.
So go the tales of SO issues around the world no doubt.

There are a rare few individuals that don't have these issues and I
wonder what it is that we can learn from them and all the issues the
rest of us have with SO's.

Ray

[Tony[_5_]]

On Mar 1, 6:18*pm, jb92563 > wrote:
> What is the SO you ask?
>
> A new government fee? *A new safety program? *A new officer position
> in your club?
>
> Nope, its way more invasive than any of these things and has
> incredible power that is weilded almost nonchallantly or on a whim it
> seems sometimes.
>
> Some people are married to it, some just live with it, others just
> visit with it now and then and some fight with and despise it.
>
> It is that "Significant Other" in your life that invariably impacts
> the things you do while enjoying your hobby/sport.
>
> I have spoken to many people in aviation and have found this common
> theme and topic that is rarely mentioned
> unless asked about specifically, and then there is a catharsis.
>
> I have been influenced myself recently and have found others just as
> equally effected.
>
> In just two days and talking to only 4 people I noticed the common
> theme in each of them and decided that this is an issue that ought to
> be discussed if for no other reason as a form of therapy.
>
> Here are 4 impacted folks starting with myself. *Names with-held to
> protect true feelings from being exposed on the matter and the SO
> network springing into action to terminate the threat.
>
> Pilot #1: (Visits with it. ie Girl Friend) The SO insisted I not sell
> my 2 seat motor glider because she "might" want to go flying
> sometime.
>
> The truth of the matter is that she has only been up flying once and
> she was not particularly enjoying it due to motion sickness even
> though I was not thermalling or banking at all really(Perhaps 10
> degrees max).
> She also has not indicated any desire to go up again and is not at all
> enthused at the idea of doing so.
>
> There are other benefits to keeping my 2 seater such as giving friends
> who enjoy flying rides, having extra payload capacity for those long
> distance fly-in missions that require some clothes, food and perhaps
> even some camping gear.
>
> I was frankly surprised that the SO's feeling would be hurt if I did
> not own a 2 seater.
>
> Pilot #2: (Lives with SO) *The SO "required" that the aircraft be a 2
> seater and suitable for cross country flights in order for the funding
> to be endorsed and approved.
> The SO in this case only likes to go flying in the warm evening calm
> on occasion.
> At least she likes to fly and share a nice sunset.
>
> The person sharing this info also mentioned that she has a particular
> preference for wearing certain airy sexy clothing on these flights and
> perhaps makes it much more desirable to take her on those open cockpit
> flights, but alas the PIC must keep his mind and hands only on the
> aircraft.
>
> Pilot #3: (Despises it) This now EX SO has caused the ultimate insult
> by requiring the person who amateur built this aircraft lovingly for 6
> years, to have to sell it before its first flight as part of the
> divorce settlement, out of spite.
>
> This is the type of thing that sends people off the deep end....what
> can you do when things go that bad with an SO.
> Perhaps the SO hated the aircraft for the attention it stole from her
> relationship and blamed the troubled marriage on it.
>
> On a positive note, she cleared the deck for this guys next SO as his
> project was gone and his funds depleted for while anyway
> and his emotions in a vunerable state just they way new SO's like it.
>
> Pilot #4: (Married to it) This pilot and his SO are living a good life
> in a middle class 2.5 kids and a dog type of environment.
> He gets to go flying occasionally as his life is busy with many
> things, but almost everything else in his life has higher priority
> than going flying.
> He will endure the years with periodic flights now and then, just
> enough to keep passing his Biennial flight reviews.
> He will need to wait until the kids are out on their own and his SO
> takes up her own hobbies to keep her busy with the kids gone.
> Until that day he will hang on to his glider, dream of those amazing
> flights he will do some day and wait for his periodic opportunities to
> go flying.
>
> Like the saying goes, can't live with them and it sure seems like we
> also can't live without them for very long either.
> So go the tales of SO issues around the world no doubt.
>
> There are a rare few individuals that don't have these issues and I
> wonder what it is that we can learn from them and all the issues the
> rest of us have with SO's.
>
> Ray

it is important to choose wisely.

[Tim Taylor]

On Mar 1, 9:22*pm, Tony > wrote:
> On Mar 1, 6:18*pm, jb92563 > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > What is the SO you ask?
>
> > A new government fee? *A new safety program? *A new officer position
> > in your club?
>
> > Nope, its way more invasive than any of these things and has
> > incredible power that is weilded almost nonchallantly or on a whim it
> > seems sometimes.
>
> > Some people are married to it, some just live with it, others just
> > visit with it now and then and some fight with and despise it.
>
> > It is that "Significant Other" in your life that invariably impacts
> > the things you do while enjoying your hobby/sport.
>
> > I have spoken to many people in aviation and have found this common
> > theme and topic that is rarely mentioned
> > unless asked about specifically, and then there is a catharsis.
>
> > I have been influenced myself recently and have found others just as
> > equally effected.
>
> > In just two days and talking to only 4 people I noticed the common
> > theme in each of them and decided that this is an issue that ought to
> > be discussed if for no other reason as a form of therapy.
>
> > Here are 4 impacted folks starting with myself. *Names with-held to
> > protect true feelings from being exposed on the matter and the SO
> > network springing into action to terminate the threat.
>
> > Pilot #1: (Visits with it. ie Girl Friend) The SO insisted I not sell
> > my 2 seat motor glider because she "might" want to go flying
> > sometime.
>
> > The truth of the matter is that she has only been up flying once and
> > she was not particularly enjoying it due to motion sickness even
> > though I was not thermalling or banking at all really(Perhaps 10
> > degrees max).
> > She also has not indicated any desire to go up again and is not at all
> > enthused at the idea of doing so.
>
> > There are other benefits to keeping my 2 seater such as giving friends
> > who enjoy flying rides, having extra payload capacity for those long
> > distance fly-in missions that require some clothes, food and perhaps
> > even some camping gear.
>
> > I was frankly surprised that the SO's feeling would be hurt if I did
> > not own a 2 seater.
>
> > Pilot #2: (Lives with SO) *The SO "required" that the aircraft be a 2
> > seater and suitable for cross country flights in order for the funding
> > to be endorsed and approved.
> > The SO in this case only likes to go flying in the warm evening calm
> > on occasion.
> > At least she likes to fly and share a nice sunset.
>
> > The person sharing this info also mentioned that she has a particular
> > preference for wearing certain airy sexy clothing on these flights and
> > perhaps makes it much more desirable to take her on those open cockpit
> > flights, but alas the PIC must keep his mind and hands only on the
> > aircraft.
>
> > Pilot #3: (Despises it) This now EX SO has caused the ultimate insult
> > by requiring the person who amateur built this aircraft lovingly for 6
> > years, to have to sell it before its first flight as part of the
> > divorce settlement, out of spite.
>
> > This is the type of thing that sends people off the deep end....what
> > can you do when things go that bad with an SO.
> > Perhaps the SO hated the aircraft for the attention it stole from her
> > relationship and blamed the troubled marriage on it.
>
> > On a positive note, she cleared the deck for this guys next SO as his
> > project was gone and his funds depleted for while anyway
> > and his emotions in a vunerable state just they way new SO's like it.
>
> > Pilot #4: (Married to it) This pilot and his SO are living a good life
> > in a middle class 2.5 kids and a dog type of environment.
> > He gets to go flying occasionally as his life is busy with many
> > things, but almost everything else in his life has higher priority
> > than going flying.
> > He will endure the years with periodic flights now and then, just
> > enough to keep passing his Biennial flight reviews.
> > He will need to wait until the kids are out on their own and his SO
> > takes up her own hobbies to keep her busy with the kids gone.
> > Until that day he will hang on to his glider, dream of those amazing
> > flights he will do some day and wait for his periodic opportunities to
> > go flying.
>
> > Like the saying goes, can't live with them and it sure seems like we
> > also can't live without them for very long either.
> > So go the tales of SO issues around the world no doubt.
>
> > There are a rare few individuals that don't have these issues and I
> > wonder what it is that we can learn from them and all the issues the
> > rest of us have with SO's.
>
> > Ray
>
> it is important to choose wisely.

Many years ago at the old Lagoon Valley soaring site (now moved to
Williams) a guy came up to Hette Amade and me and said he really
wanted to soar but his wife wouldn't let him. Hette and I both
without hesitation looked at each other and said divorce will cure
that. I guess you have to get your priorities straight and find a SO
that is supportive or find a different SO ;-).

[Frank Whiteley]

On Mar 1, 5:18*pm, jb92563 > wrote:
> What is the SO you ask?
>
> A new government fee? *A new safety program? *A new officer position
> in your club?
>
> Nope, its way more invasive than any of these things and has
> incredible power that is weilded almost nonchallantly or on a whim it
> seems sometimes.
>
> Some people are married to it, some just live with it, others just
> visit with it now and then and some fight with and despise it.
>
> It is that "Significant Other" in your life that invariably impacts
> the things you do while enjoying your hobby/sport.
>
> I have spoken to many people in aviation and have found this common
> theme and topic that is rarely mentioned
> unless asked about specifically, and then there is a catharsis.
>
> I have been influenced myself recently and have found others just as
> equally effected.
>
> In just two days and talking to only 4 people I noticed the common
> theme in each of them and decided that this is an issue that ought to
> be discussed if for no other reason as a form of therapy.
>
> Here are 4 impacted folks starting with myself. *Names with-held to
> protect true feelings from being exposed on the matter and the SO
> network springing into action to terminate the threat.
>
> Pilot #1: (Visits with it. ie Girl Friend) The SO insisted I not sell
> my 2 seat motor glider because she "might" want to go flying
> sometime.
>
> The truth of the matter is that she has only been up flying once and
> she was not particularly enjoying it due to motion sickness even
> though I was not thermalling or banking at all really(Perhaps 10
> degrees max).
> She also has not indicated any desire to go up again and is not at all
> enthused at the idea of doing so.
>
> There are other benefits to keeping my 2 seater such as giving friends
> who enjoy flying rides, having extra payload capacity for those long
> distance fly-in missions that require some clothes, food and perhaps
> even some camping gear.
>
> I was frankly surprised that the SO's feeling would be hurt if I did
> not own a 2 seater.
>
> Pilot #2: (Lives with SO) *The SO "required" that the aircraft be a 2
> seater and suitable for cross country flights in order for the funding
> to be endorsed and approved.
> The SO in this case only likes to go flying in the warm evening calm
> on occasion.
> At least she likes to fly and share a nice sunset.
>
> The person sharing this info also mentioned that she has a particular
> preference for wearing certain airy sexy clothing on these flights and
> perhaps makes it much more desirable to take her on those open cockpit
> flights, but alas the PIC must keep his mind and hands only on the
> aircraft.
>
> Pilot #3: (Despises it) This now EX SO has caused the ultimate insult
> by requiring the person who amateur built this aircraft lovingly for 6
> years, to have to sell it before its first flight as part of the
> divorce settlement, out of spite.
>
> This is the type of thing that sends people off the deep end....what
> can you do when things go that bad with an SO.
> Perhaps the SO hated the aircraft for the attention it stole from her
> relationship and blamed the troubled marriage on it.
>
> On a positive note, she cleared the deck for this guys next SO as his
> project was gone and his funds depleted for while anyway
> and his emotions in a vunerable state just they way new SO's like it.
>
> Pilot #4: (Married to it) This pilot and his SO are living a good life
> in a middle class 2.5 kids and a dog type of environment.
> He gets to go flying occasionally as his life is busy with many
> things, but almost everything else in his life has higher priority
> than going flying.
> He will endure the years with periodic flights now and then, just
> enough to keep passing his Biennial flight reviews.
> He will need to wait until the kids are out on their own and his SO
> takes up her own hobbies to keep her busy with the kids gone.
> Until that day he will hang on to his glider, dream of those amazing
> flights he will do some day and wait for his periodic opportunities to
> go flying.
>
> Like the saying goes, can't live with them and it sure seems like we
> also can't live without them for very long either.
> So go the tales of SO issues around the world no doubt.
>
> There are a rare few individuals that don't have these issues and I
> wonder what it is that we can learn from them and all the issues the
> rest of us have with SO's.
>
> Ray

When I married for the second time, I was already a soaring pilot. I
advised her in advance not to come between me and soaring and we would
be fine. 30 years last September, three great children, and a
wonderful grandson. I was not a soaring pilot when number one and I
dissolved our relationship. That started in the six year gap between
one and two.

Frank Whiteley

[Bruce]

<snip>>
>> There are a rare few individuals that don't have these issues and I
>> wonder what it is that we can learn from them and all the issues the
>> rest of us have with SO's.
>>
>> Ray
>
> it is important to choose wisely.

Indeed! - My SO of 27 years fully supports my consorting with the
mistress. In fact she is quite happy that I now have installed mistress
Mk2, as long as she is not required to drive the trailer...

Strategy of occasionally participating in soaring camps in scenic places
with lots of birdlife for her to enjoy helps.

house + 2 kids and work can make it harder to find time for soaring, but
with the right SO and a little application all things are possible.

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On Mar 1, 7:18*pm, jb92563 > wrote:
> What is the SO you ask?
>
> A new government fee? *A new safety program? *A new officer position
> in your club?
>
> Nope, its way more invasive than any of these things and has
> incredible power that is weilded almost nonchallantly or on a whim it
> seems sometimes.
>
> Some people are married to it, some just live with it, others just
> visit with it now and then and some fight with and despise it.
>
> It is that "Significant Other" in your life that invariably impacts
> the things you do while enjoying your hobby/sport.
>
> I have spoken to many people in aviation and have found this common
> theme and topic that is rarely mentioned
> unless asked about specifically, and then there is a catharsis.
>
> I have been influenced myself recently and have found others just as
> equally effected.
>
> In just two days and talking to only 4 people I noticed the common
> theme in each of them and decided that this is an issue that ought to
> be discussed if for no other reason as a form of therapy.
>
> Here are 4 impacted folks starting with myself. *Names with-held to
> protect true feelings from being exposed on the matter and the SO
> network springing into action to terminate the threat.
>
> Pilot #1: (Visits with it. ie Girl Friend) The SO insisted I not sell
> my 2 seat motor glider because she "might" want to go flying
> sometime.
>
> The truth of the matter is that she has only been up flying once and
> she was not particularly enjoying it due to motion sickness even
> though I was not thermalling or banking at all really(Perhaps 10
> degrees max).
> She also has not indicated any desire to go up again and is not at all
> enthused at the idea of doing so.
>
> There are other benefits to keeping my 2 seater such as giving friends
> who enjoy flying rides, having extra payload capacity for those long
> distance fly-in missions that require some clothes, food and perhaps
> even some camping gear.
>
> I was frankly surprised that the SO's feeling would be hurt if I did
> not own a 2 seater.
>
> Pilot #2: (Lives with SO) *The SO "required" that the aircraft be a 2
> seater and suitable for cross country flights in order for the funding
> to be endorsed and approved.
> The SO in this case only likes to go flying in the warm evening calm
> on occasion.
> At least she likes to fly and share a nice sunset.
>
> The person sharing this info also mentioned that she has a particular
> preference for wearing certain airy sexy clothing on these flights and
> perhaps makes it much more desirable to take her on those open cockpit
> flights, but alas the PIC must keep his mind and hands only on the
> aircraft.
>
> Pilot #3: (Despises it) This now EX SO has caused the ultimate insult
> by requiring the person who amateur built this aircraft lovingly for 6
> years, to have to sell it before its first flight as part of the
> divorce settlement, out of spite.
>
> This is the type of thing that sends people off the deep end....what
> can you do when things go that bad with an SO.
> Perhaps the SO hated the aircraft for the attention it stole from her
> relationship and blamed the troubled marriage on it.
>
> On a positive note, she cleared the deck for this guys next SO as his
> project was gone and his funds depleted for while anyway
> and his emotions in a vunerable state just they way new SO's like it.
>
> Pilot #4: (Married to it) This pilot and his SO are living a good life
> in a middle class 2.5 kids and a dog type of environment.
> He gets to go flying occasionally as his life is busy with many
> things, but almost everything else in his life has higher priority
> than going flying.
> He will endure the years with periodic flights now and then, just
> enough to keep passing his Biennial flight reviews.
> He will need to wait until the kids are out on their own and his SO
> takes up her own hobbies to keep her busy with the kids gone.
> Until that day he will hang on to his glider, dream of those amazing
> flights he will do some day and wait for his periodic opportunities to
> go flying.
>
> Like the saying goes, can't live with them and it sure seems like we
> also can't live without them for very long either.
> So go the tales of SO issues around the world no doubt.
>
> There are a rare few individuals that don't have these issues and I
> wonder what it is that we can learn from them and all the issues the
> rest of us have with SO's.
>
> Ray

Critical Items in selecting spousal unit:
1- Does she give good wing?
2- Is her 2nd job good enough to help finance the new glider(assume
first job is covering 1/2 the mortgage).
Any Questions?
UH

[nic]

In 1980 my ex-wife, (still my wife) told me the day I soled in a
glider that if I didn't quit flying and attend church with her, she
was leaving. The next Sunday when I got home from flying she was gone,
the house empty! It was the best gift I ever received. In six months
I owned part of a Libelle 201 and was living in the basement of my
shop broke, but it was the happiest time of my life. Flying gliders
has been the most incredible experience. I could have never imagined
the things I have been able to witness.

Ed Gaddy