Downloading .igc fliles from Volkslogger

[RN]

The security code in my Volkslogger is A21, and when downloading
flights the file is shown as xxxA21jx.igc when downloading directly to
the computer using SeeYou.

When downloading to a PDA using P-Strepla, the file comes up in the
format xxxXBW11.igc.

I am confused and have been unable to find why the file name is
different, or how it is assigned by P-Strepla if that is what is
happening.

Any guidance from someone who understands this will be greatly
appreciated.

[Darryl Ramm]

On Mar 2, 11:09*am, RN > wrote:
> The security code in my Volkslogger is A21, and when downloading
> flights the file is shown as xxxA21jx.igc when downloading directly to
> the computer using SeeYou.
>
> When downloading to a PDA using P-Strepla, the file comes up in the
> format xxxXBW11.igc.
>
> I am confused and have been unable to find why the file name is
> different, or how it is assigned by P-Strepla if that is what is
> happening.
>
> Any guidance from someone who understands this will be greatly
> appreciated.

Why worry? The igc file is valid right? I've never used Pocket
StrePla, but third party software can name these files anything they
want. Even though there is an IGC standard file name format those
developers don't have to follow that convention. The file name is
really irrelevant to anything except your peace of mind, the name is
not digitally signed you can just change it.

Darryl

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:27:41 -0800, Darryl Ramm wrote:

> On Mar 2, 11:09Â*am, RN > wrote:
>> The security code in my Volkslogger is A21, and when downloading
>> flights the file is shown as xxxA21jx.igc when downloading directly to
>> the computer using SeeYou.
>>
>> When downloading to a PDA using P-Strepla, the file comes up in the
>> format xxxXBW11.igc.
>>
>> I am confused and have been unable to find why the file name is
>> different, or how it is assigned by P-Strepla if that is what is
>> happening.
>>
>> Any guidance from someone who understands this will be greatly
>> appreciated.
>
> Why worry? The igc file is valid right? I've never used Pocket StrePla,
> but third party software can name these files anything they want. Even
> though there is an IGC standard file name format those developers don't
> have to follow that convention. The file name is really irrelevant to
> anything except your peace of mind, the name is not digitally signed you
> can just change it.
>
I have a feeling that the main purpose of the IGC naming standard is to
generate unique 8.3 file names, even when files are being collected from
a variety of loggers at a contest.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Darryl Ramm]

On Mar 2, 11:45*am, Martin Gregorie >
wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:27:41 -0800, Darryl Ramm wrote:
> > On Mar 2, 11:09*am, RN > wrote:
> >> The security code in my Volkslogger is A21, and when downloading
> >> flights the file is shown as xxxA21jx.igc when downloading directly to
> >> the computer using SeeYou.
>
> >> When downloading to a PDA using P-Strepla, the file comes up in the
> >> format xxxXBW11.igc.
>
> >> I am confused and have been unable to find why the file name is
> >> different, or how it is assigned by P-Strepla if that is what is
> >> happening.
>
> >> Any guidance from someone who understands this will be greatly
> >> appreciated.
>
> > Why worry? The igc file is valid right? I've never used Pocket StrePla,
> > but third party software can name these files anything they want. Even
> > though there is an IGC standard file name format those developers don't
> > have to follow that convention. The file name is really irrelevant to
> > anything except your peace of mind, the name is not digitally signed you
> > can just change it.
>
> I have a feeling that the main purpose of the IGC naming standard is to
> generate unique 8.3 file names, even when files are being collected from
> a variety of loggers at a contest.
>
> --
> martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
> gregorie. | Essex, UK
> org * * * |

Except I suspect many CDs would find it easier if the contest ID was
encoded into the file name.

Darryl

[Andy[_1_]]

On Mar 2, 1:10*pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
> Except I suspect many CDs would find it easier if the contest ID was
> encoded into the file name.

Why? At US contests that use Winscore a contestant's flight log can
be selected and viewed without any reference to the file name.

Andy

[Darryl Ramm]

On Mar 2, 12:38*pm, Andy > wrote:
> On Mar 2, 1:10*pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Except I suspect many CDs would find it easier if the contest ID was
> > encoded into the file name.
>
> Why? *At US contests that use Winscore a contestant's flight log can
> be selected and viewed without any reference to the file name.
>
> Andy

For when the things that are supposed to work don't. And you are left
with a bunch of files to work though or sort out. I ended up having to
do that last year at a contest.

Darryl

[Peter Wyld[_2_]]

SeeYou or TaskNav scoring software uses the generated igc file name to
identify which trace belongs to which contestant as each contestant has
their logger serial number as part of their data (along with name/contest
id/glider type etc). The files are picked up automatically, manual
intervention to select a file is only needed in extremis. I can't comment on
Winscore.

The normal igc 8.3 file name consistes of a three character year/month/day
(0 for 2010, 3 for march, 2 for the second day) this is all base 36. Year is
0-9, Month 1-C, day 1-W (31 Dec 2009 = 9CW)
followed by four characters, 1 for manufacturer of FR (C-Cambridge, A
Garrecht[Volkslogger], E-EW, L-LX/Colibri, etc) then 3 being the serial
nukber of the FR, (e.g. A02N)
followed by 1 digit representing the number of the trace for that day (so if
you have three flights they will each end 1,2,3 respectively).
so for example, 9CWA02N3.igc

In my experience, traces with an X a generated by XCSoar or maybe SeeYou
Mobile, not downloaded from a Flight Recorder. If Strepla is creating igc
filenames with weird FR Serial numbers I would suggest it is wrong to do so!




"Darryl Ramm" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 2, 12:38 pm, Andy > wrote:
> On Mar 2, 1:10 pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Except I suspect many CDs would find it easier if the contest ID was
> > encoded into the file name.
>
> Why? At US contests that use Winscore a contestant's flight log can
> be selected and viewed without any reference to the file name.
>
> Andy

For when the things that are supposed to work don't. And you are left
with a bunch of files to work though or sort out. I ended up having to
do that last year at a contest.

Darryl

[JS]

I suspect Tim's response is the one you're after.
If you open the file in SeeYou, look at file properties:
In SeeYou, right click anywhere in the display and select flight
properties.
At the bottom of the Flight tab, you'll see the logger type. If it
doesn't read Volkslogger, that was not the file from your
Volksologger.
Jim

[RN]

Thanks to everyone for the help.

JS hit it. At least, I now know where the file is originating.

Checking SeeYou as he suggested shows the file is coming from SeeYou
Mobile running on the PDA. The GPS engine is reported as Volkslogger
which is correct.

Now, I just need to figure out why P-Strepla shows it has found the
Volkslogger, and has the correct file, but somehow downloads the
SeeYou file on the PDA to the SD Card.

[Darryl Ramm]

On Mar 2, 6:40*pm, RN > wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for the help.
>
> JS hit it. At least, I now know where the file is originating.
>
> Checking SeeYou as he suggested shows the file is coming from SeeYou
> Mobile running on the PDA. The GPS engine is reported as Volkslogger
> which is correct.
>
> Now, I just need to figure out why P-Strepla shows it has found the
> Volkslogger, and has the correct file, but somehow downloads the
> SeeYou file on the PDA to the SD Card.

Duh I should have recognized the filenames as from SeeYou Mobile.

Are you sure that P-Strepa is copying the SeeYou Mobile file?

SeeYou Mobile can put the IGC file it creates directly on your SD
card.

Start SeeYou Mobile and go to Settings>Files and look at what "Flight
folder"
is set to. That may solve one part of the mystery.

Darryl

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

I think what is happening is that you are looking at the wrong flight log
files. I have seen this many times. The files downloaded from the
Volkslogger will contain its serial number in the filename. But the file
you are looking at is probably a file generated by pocket*StrePla's "PDA
logger" which logs the flight while you fly. My guess is that you
downloaded the flight logs from the VL to a different directory on the
memory card.

I am not aware of any soaring flight log download software that changes the
filename.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

"RN" > wrote in message
...
> The security code in my Volkslogger is A21, and when downloading
> flights the file is shown as xxxA21jx.igc when downloading directly to
> the computer using SeeYou.
>
> When downloading to a PDA using P-Strepla, the file comes up in the
> format xxxXBW11.igc.
>
> I am confused and have been unable to find why the file name is
> different, or how it is assigned by P-Strepla if that is what is
> happening.
>
> Any guidance from someone who understands this will be greatly
> appreciated.

[Wojciech Scigala]

Użytkownik RN napisał:

> Now, I just need to figure out why P-Strepla shows it has found the
> Volkslogger, and has the correct file, but somehow downloads the
> SeeYou file on the PDA to the SD Card.
I've just browsed P-Strepla's features, and it seems to me that this
software cannot download files from flight recorders (like Volkslogger).
It only uses Volkslogger as a source of GPS signal and barometric altitudes.

So P-Strepla is perfectly correct saying it has found and connected to
Volkslogger. But it has nothing in common with IGC-sanctioned flight
recording.

SeeYou Mobile cannot download files as well. There's a companion
application called ConnectMe (freeware) which does it.

Usually there's no need to download logger's files to PDA, as they are
to be analysed on PC anyway. You can connect Volkslogger to PC directly
to make the download.

--
WojtuÅ›.net

[mattm[_2_]]

On Mar 3, 8:46Â*am, Wojciech Scigala > wrote:
> Użytkownik RN napisał:
>
> > Now, I just need to figure out why P-Strepla shows it has found the
> > Volkslogger, and has the correct file, but somehow downloads the
> > SeeYou file on the PDA to the SD Card.
>
> I've just browsed P-Strepla's features, and it seems to me that this
> software cannot download files from flight recorders (like Volkslogger).
> It only uses Volkslogger as a source of GPS signal and barometric altitudes.
>
> So P-Strepla is perfectly correct saying it has found and connected to
> Volkslogger. But it has nothing in common with IGC-sanctioned flight
> recording.
>
> SeeYou Mobile cannot download files as well. There's a companion
> application called ConnectMe (freeware) which does it.
>
> Usually there's no need to download logger's files to PDA, as they are
> to be analysed on PC anyway. You can connect Volkslogger to PC directly
> to make the download.
>
> --
> WojtuÅ›.net

Well, for a lot of us it's easier to download the logger igc file to
the PDA.
Laptops are impossible to use outside because the bright daylight
washes
out the screen. Personally I use SoarPilot on a Palm Tungsten T,
which
is very usable outdoors. It also downloads the log files from a
variety of
loggers onto an SD card. After flying I usually do that while I'm
wiping the
bugs off the wings. At US contests where you only have an hour to
deliver
your log file to the scorer (unless you land out, of course) the
delivery of
the igc file usually comes before pulling the wings.

Of course with the VL you can just take that with you and download it
directly to the scorer's computer. However, for people with
permanently
mounted loggers like the Cambridge 301 or LX flight computers you have
to download in the cockpit. I believe ConnectMe is provided free and
runs
on all the WinMobile platforms.

-- Matt

[Darryl Ramm]

On Mar 3, 5:46Â*am, Wojciech Scigala > wrote:
> Użytkownik RN napisał:
>
> > Now, I just need to figure out why P-Strepla shows it has found the
> > Volkslogger, and has the correct file, but somehow downloads the
> > SeeYou file on the PDA to the SD Card.
>
> I've just browsed P-Strepla's features, and it seems to me that this
> software cannot download files from flight recorders (like Volkslogger).
> It only uses Volkslogger as a source of GPS signal and barometric altitudes.
>
> So P-Strepla is perfectly correct saying it has found and connected to
> Volkslogger. But it has nothing in common with IGC-sanctioned flight
> recording.
>
> SeeYou Mobile cannot download files as well. There's a companion
> application called ConnectMe (freeware) which does it.
>
> Usually there's no need to download logger's files to PDA, as they are
> to be analysed on PC anyway. You can connect Volkslogger to PC directly
> to make the download.
>
> --
> WojtuÅ›.net

Pocket*StrePla-Connect is marketed as part of pocket*StepLa, it is
equivalent to Naviter ConnectMe. And that begs the question of whether
the original poster meant pocket*StrePla or pocket*StrePla-Connect
(like I assumed but maybe wrongly). But if somebody is already using
SeeYou Mobile on a PDA, using ConnectMe would seem the more likely
route.

Many people download to a PDA or its SD card. If you already have a
PDA for navigation connected to the logger then you already have the
cabling needed and the PDA is already there with you in the cockpit.
Juggling a laptop at the glider to do this can be more cumbersome.

Darryl


Darryl

[Peter Wyld[_2_]]

"Wojciech Scigala" > wrote in message
...
> Uzytkownik RN napisal:
>
>> Now, I just need to figure out why P-Strepla shows it has found the
>> Volkslogger, and has the correct file, but somehow downloads the
>> SeeYou file on the PDA to the SD Card.
> I've just browsed P-Strepla's features, and it seems to me that this
> software cannot download files from flight recorders (like Volkslogger).
> It only uses Volkslogger as a source of GPS signal and barometric
> altitudes.
>
> So P-Strepla is perfectly correct saying it has found and connected to
> Volkslogger. But it has nothing in common with IGC-sanctioned flight
> recording.
>
> SeeYou Mobile cannot download files as well. There's a companion
> application called ConnectMe (freeware) which does it.
>
> Usually there's no need to download logger's files to PDA, as they are to
> be analysed on PC anyway. You can connect Volkslogger to PC directly to
> make the download.
>
> --
> Wojtus.net

From a scorer's point of view, it is considerably faster to get results done
if the igc file is handed in on a card or thumb drive. Downloading traces
from loggers is a pita and takes considerable time which could be better (or
more enjoyably) spent in the bar!
SeeYou even provide a free program (IGCMail) which collects igc files from
an email account which makes it even simpler! Neither this nor the igc file
on a card absolves the pilot from the responsibility of keeping the original
trace in the logger for possible checking.

[Wojciech Scigala]

Użytkownik Darryl Ramm napisał:

> Many people download to a PDA or its SD card. If you already have a
> PDA for navigation connected to the logger then you already have the
> cabling needed and the PDA is already there with you in the cockpit.
> Juggling a laptop at the glider to do this can be more cumbersome.
Of course, embedded logger is best read with PDA. We were talking about
Volkslogger, which is quite portable unit.

--
WojtuÅ›.net